[Wikimediach-l] Wikipedia mentioned in Geneva University scandal
Hi everyone, you may have heard that there are currently a scandal at the University of Geneva, where some professors are accused of having, among other things, claimed travel expenses that were not real, or failed to give back to the University a share of the money they earnt outside of the University, as they are required to do by law. On Sunday 16 July, Le Matin announced that one of these professors decided to resign from the University as of 1st July 2007. Interestingly, their main source was cited as being Wikipedia (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan-Erik_Lane), even though (fortunately) someone close to the rectorate seems to have confirmed the information (interestingly, a quick browse of the history shows that the information was originally added by an anonymous user using an IP belonging to the University !). Even more interesting, today (Monday), Le Temps published an article http://www.letemps.ch/template/regions.asp?page=7article=185662 about the existence of the article on the French Wikipedia (Les scandales de l'Uni de Genève sur Wikipédia) and the fact that it got vandalised and subsequently semi-protected. This was a good opportunity to pick up a few names of journalists who wrote about Wikipedia... Frederic ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Wikimedia CH Founding Assembly on May 14th
Michael Bimmler wrote: I'd like to notify you of the fact that on May 14th the Founding Assembly of Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens (official translation: Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge) will take place at Olten in Switzerland. As indicated previously, I won't be able to come, but I just wanted to confirm that I am ready to become part of the board if needed. Although I can not guarantee that I will be able to spend too much time working on Wikimedia CH duties, I am happy to help to handle some contacts with the French-speaking press, help setup the accounting, etc, since I have much experience in this field, and more generally to be the French speaker in the board. Best wishes for the assembly ! Frederic ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] zahlen, zahlen for pr ....
Jürg Wolf wrote: A good entry point for researches like this is http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Benutzer_aus_der_Schweiz and its subcategories. Don't forget, however, that this is based on a voluntary categorisation by the editor. I don't know how many of them does it on de.wikipedia.org, but I quickly checked a few Swiss editors on en.wikipedia.org, and none of them is in such a category. I have not looked too much into it, however, because the servers are crawling at the moment. Don't know about fr.w.o, but any statistic based on these category will obligatorily underestimate the number of users (it can still be useful as a lower bound, of course). But you can evaluate the number of pages to swiss related topics by scanning in http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Filzstift/wikisign.org to the string !-- schweizbezogen -- or by catscan using http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=dewikifam=.wikipedia.orgbasecat=Schweizbasedeep=8mode=cstagcat=tagdeep=3go=Scannenuserlang=de On en.w.o, the categorisation of Swiss topics is pretty good, so starting from Category:Switzerland and looking at the sub categories should give a good indication about the number of Swiss-related topics. Don't know about the number of hits, though. Frédéric ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Founding Assembly
Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] wrote: Hello everyone, I'd need your attention at http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events/Founding_Assembly as we're planning date and location of the founding assembly of Wikimedia CH. [...] We really try to get a founding assembly very soon! I'm sorry to mention that I will be unable to attend the foundation assembly if it happens in the near future. As indicated by private email to Michael and Napa, I will be extremely busy until Wikipedia day (which means also that I won't be able to participate in any way to this event). I will thus not indicate any preference for the date (all my week-ends are fully booked...), nor the location, obviously. However, I will mention that the proposal I have seen for next week-end seems a bit too soon to me: I don't think the French bylaws have been proofread (or even read); there has been some modifications to the English bylaws following their examination by the Wikimedia Foundation, and some modifications to the German version following my comments about par. 10.3 (I think). As Michael mentioned in an email a few days ago, we probably need one round of final proofreading before the assembly, to make sure that all the versions are coherent and that all these changes have been made in all versions. Best wishes, Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Bylaws in French
I forgot to mention that I finished a first draft of the bylaws in French last week. There are a few parts that I am not too happy with, but I prefer to wait a little bit (and maybe get some comments) before changing anything. So anyone who speaks French, understand German, or knows the specific vocabulary of Swiss associations (or all three, even better) is welcome to have a look... I realised that using the English bylaws as the base for the translation (because I am much more comfortable in English than in German) makes the task harder; indeed, in some cases where I was confused by the vocabulary used in the English version, I went back to the German text and found what I was expecting. All the best, Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Bylaws
Michael Bimmler wrote: My proposal: move the otherwise the committee constitutes itself (german: Im übrigen etc.) away from §10.3 to §10.1 (The committee consists of a president and 4 – 6 further members), there it fits much better. +1 Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Bylaws
I am going forward with the translation of the bylaws in French... first draft is getting there ! I have, however, a question about par. 10.3: The minutes are to be made available to the Association members not more than two months after a decision has been made, otherwise the committee constitutes itself. I understand the general idea, but my dictionaries do not know any meaning of the work constitute that would fit this sentence (neither does the website http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=constitute). Any precise reference ? Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] As an information
Delphine Ménard wrote: I think all is resolved. Thank you for translating the part that we changed [1] into the other languages so that it is repercuted in the official translations of the bylaws. I have updated the English version of the bylaws already. Please inform us when this is done at chaptercommittee-l AT wikimedia PUNTO org so that we can give our advice to the board and finally be done with it. I will try to finish the French translation ASAP. Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Copyright of the swiss administration
dake wrote: Here is a similar example. By law, all bank notes are in the public domain in Switzerland, so one is allowed to make copies of them. However, it does not mean that one is allowed to copy them in order to make counterfeit money ! What about the specimen text above the notes ? Do we have to put it on the pictures to avoid the counterfeit stuff ? It is not an obligation. It is up to the person who reproduces the banknote to make sure that the reproduction can not be mistaken for a real note. Even the Swiss National Bank can not give a definitive answer on this topic, because it is up to the justice to decide if someone is counterfeitinging or not. However, they *believe* that if you follow their guidelines (http://www.snb.ch/e/banknoten/merkblatt_e.pdf: add specimen, do not print in the same size as the original, etc) you will be in the clear. But you may also be in the clear without following their guidelines, or you may be violating the law even if you follow them (unlikely, though). http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Swiss_bank_note_security_text.JPG Banknotes are not protected by the Swiss Federal Copyright Statute. However, individual works reproduced on banknotes are subject to copyright protection provided they have not been reproduced recognisably as a part of the banknote. The works protected under copyright law may only be reproduced and adapted with the permission of the copyright holder. hmm..this is quite ambiguous. Let's take the example of the 200 note with Ramuz. The big photography of Ramuz could be copyrighted, it is a recognizable part of the note. If I can scan the whole note, I cannot put it with the PD license on Commons. The wording above is maybe a bit confusing. If you scan the whole note, then the picture of Ramuz is part of the banknote, and you can copy it --- and put it on commons. If you zoom in on this picture only, it is still clear that it is part of the banknote (because of the special way in which the picture is printed), so you should be in the clear. What you can not do is find the original picture somewhere else, and copy it without restriction (or do some image processing on the bank note image so that it does not look like a banknote anymore). It is a more general problem: a picture could be PD (or free), but this does not mean that all its parts are PD. For example, take a random picture somewhere in the street. The copyright clearly belongs to you, publish it under a free licence --- no problem. Now look at your picture: if there is a poster somewhere in the background, and you zoom on it until you can see it clearly, it does not mean that the resulting zoomed-in image will be free too ! It is probably not a problem in normal life, but Hollywood lawyers spend hours and millions of $$$ making sure that anything that could be copyrightable in a scene of a movie is either PD or has been properly licenced. This includes posters, but also the design of a chair, and that sort of things (I had an article about this, I could probably find it if someone is interested). I have a better example from Commons. It is by far less visible than the other picture (though I guess everybody knows about it). Probably a silly case candidate : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Panzerturm.jpg Yeah, probably a silly case which should be all right. The problem with military logic is that there is none; they tend to put the word secret on anything that they believe to be important (it probably makes them look important too...) even if it has been common knowledge for a long time. They are usually worried about big things, however: a secret document, or a picture of the bunker for the Federal Council along with the exact street address. Note however that it is likely that only the first person who publishes a military secret is liable; obiously, once it has been published, it is not a secret anymore... so even though the Sonntagsblick is under investigation for having published the Egyptian fax intercepted by the Swiss Secret Services (Onyx), it should be no problem to have published it on en: (under fair use). No problem either mdash; nobody owns the rights of what happens during a soccer match. I asked that because I know there were some restrictions during the Olympic Games at Turin (pictures for private use only, not commercial, blabla). Same for the US Open or another major tennis tournament. *If* you manage to take the photo, you can do whatever you want with it afterwards. What they can do is prevent you from entering the stadium with a camera, or with anything that looks too professional (e.g. a tripod, or a big zoom). There was a discussion of fr: about a similar issue: photography in museums (in particular the Louvres in Paris). The paintings themselves are not protected by copyright (PD), but the museum has no obligation to let you enter its premises with a camera to let you take a picture. I have never
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Copyright of the swiss administration
dake wrote: The question about armoiries raised up in the bistro, section poulpisme (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/31_mars_2006) I actually gave references to 232.21 On Commons, these pictures are marked as CC-BY-SA-2.0. I am wondering if this license conflicts with law 232.21 It does not. The CC licences (and the criteria for inclusion in commons in general) are concerned only with the copyright of the images, and these images are likely to be in the public domain (except for rare exceptions, as I wrote earlier). The law 232.21 is unrelated; in any case, it does not restrict copy or modifications of the images. Here is a similar example. By law, all bank notes are in the public domain in Switzerland, so one is allowed to make copies of them. However, it does not mean that one is allowed to copy them in order to make counterfeit money ! Another example is the combination of trademark and copyright law: a company's logo may well be in the public domain from the copyright point of view, meaning that one is allowed to copy it, but it may still be protected as a trademark, meaning that you can not use it as you wish. You could probably enhance or integrate the following article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_protection_of_photographs_in_Switzerland Thanks for the pointer; I missed its creation. It's an excellent start; it has been moved to en:Copyright law of Switzerland, and is being improved. There are not *so* many questions about pictures in Switzerland (the swiss community on :fr is still small, most questions came out of my mind) but we can make a parallel with the questions that are often raised for France. Those are usually : We could probably write a FAQ about these... * photographies of recent monuments, buildings, architectural work, etc. No problem, as discussed earlier. * copyright of agencies related to goverment No set rule, as discussed earlier. * copyright and rules when one takes a picture of a known person (there were some discussions about a picture of Zidane in an airport, one could consider this as private life. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Zidane_Paris_CdG.png) No problem from the point of view of copyright. I don't know enough from the point of view of private life, but my guess would be that it is not a problem when this is done in a public place, as long as the photographer does not harass the person in order to take the photo. * screenshots of softwares Probably not original enough to be copyrighted; the program itself is copyrighted, but the simple placement of widgets and windows on the screen probably isn't, except if there is something really special about it (like a photo displayed on the screen, etc). In any case, a screenshot can probably be considered as a citation for purpose of reference, and covered by art. 25 of the law. * pictures of military buildings (eg for Switzerland : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bunker-suisse-aviation-p1010146.jpg) No problem from the point of view of copyright. The photograph could still be prosecuted for violation of military secrets, but the bunker on the photo above is probably not a secret. There has been a few examples (including an appeal just last week) of silly cases where everyone knows that a certain building is a hidden military bunker, but mentioning it and publishing a picture accompanied by the location is considered a violation of military secret. * pictures taken during major events (for Switzerland, a good example could be pictures taken during Eurocup 08) No problem either mdash; nobody owns the rights of what happens during a soccer match. Last week, someone asked me by mail about this case : http://bpun.unine.ch/IconoNeuch/Portraits/Portraits.htm The pictures should be in public domain, but a copyright has been added by the Bpun. I asked the SSA about this issue (for me, this content should be marked as PD) and they were surprised, they have forwarded my question to another society (Pro Litteris), I am waiting for a clear answer. Nous avons bien reçu votre courriel et nous nous sommes en effet interrogés sur le © que la Bibliothèque a inséré sur l’oeuvre non protégée. Il couvre éventuellement les droits du photographe qui a reproduit l’oeuvre afin qu’elle soit numérisée.Mais nous avons constaté en général que les bibliothèques souhaitent être indiquées en tant que source, et que, si elles facturent quelque chose aux utilisateurs, ce sont leurs frais de recherche. Voilà ;) C'est du pipeau, a mon avis ! Just digitalising an image does not produce an original work (quite the opposite: when you digitalise an image, your goal is to be as close as possible to the original one), so this is unlikely to be protected by copyright. See the Meili case referenced at the page you cited above (now en:Copyright law of Switzerland). Have you tried asking the Bpun ? As I wrote earlier, IANAL. Frederic
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Copyright of the swiss administration
On 3/31/06, dake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obligatory disclaimer first: IANAL, but I have done a bit of research on this topic. You are right about the laws and the protocols. I add there is something interesting about swiss law compared to french/belgian law concerning the buildings as it seems (my non-professional interpretation) that making a picture of a recent building, statue, etc. is allowed while in France/Belgium, it is not (see the Atomium story). Clearly allowed in Switzerland if the statue if permanently fixed in a public place (of course, this is trivially the case for buildings); see article 27 of the copyright law (231.1) on admin.ch. Well, some advices about swiss law in general regarding the copyright would be nice. There was a question today on the french wikipedia about the flags of cantons, communes and districts. On :fr, we have tons of references about the french law, nearly nothing about swiss law, I'm trying to collect some references :) I have tons of references about the Swiss law. Creating an article on this topic in en: is on my todo list. Give me a reference of the relevant page on fr: (and maybe some precise questions) and I'll try to add pointers to what I know as well. Well, some advices about swiss law in general regarding the copyright would be nice. There was a question today on the french wikipedia about\ the flags of cantons, communes and districts. Where was it ? From the copyright point of view, most of the flags are in the public domain (except _maybe_ for a few flags made for new municipalities after mergers). Otherwise, the laws under number 232.2 protect their use (basically: don't use them in bad faith). Frederic PS. Content de voir un autre francophone sur la liste... ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Votes/Seat - ...and the winner is...
Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] wrote: - The seat of Wikimedia CH will be Zurich. - Wikimedia CH will get a Fester Vereinsadresse which acts as a redirection of all postal mail to the president or other who is in charge of receiving and handling the mail of Wikimedia CH. Just to make things clear... the _seat_ of Wikimedia CH is _not_ Zürich; it is where the President lives, according to the bylaws (§1.2) --- the vote was only about the postal address. I know that this may sound like nitpicking, and I am sorry if someone feels like it is; but it has been mentioned that we need to have a sound legal grounding, and since we speak several different languages (and for most of us, English is a second language), it is better if we make sure that we agree exactly on what we are talking about. Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
Michael Bimmler wrote: I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you propose that we make the founding assembly itself on IRC? Because then, to be very frank, we can forget about this. IANAL but I'm quite sure to have read that Swiss law requires, that the association is physically founded and that afterwards a foundation protocol is signed by president + one board member (usually secretary/aktuar). No, AFAIK. There are very few conditions imposed on associations; most of the conditions are imposed by the bylaws (with a set of defaults if needed). The only condition that would be slightly related is that the bylaws must be on paper, which does not mean anything for the actual meeting. But in any case, not having a physical meeting for the founding assembly would not be a good idea (to say the least). As for the place -- as much as I had no preference for the postal address, here I would strongly push for a central location, e.g. Bern. Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
Michael Bimmler wrote: The second point is not so clear on protocol but the first and the second clearly state, that there needs to be a protocol, stating, ... was founded IN (- a physical lieu must be defined) and needs to be signed by the protocollist. Fair enough; even if the physical meeting is not prescribed by the law, I doubt that many people would have used this option anyway. As for the place -- as much as I had no preference for the postal address, here I would strongly push for a central location, e.g. Bern. Well, I'm okay with that as well. Just ad central: Wouldn't Lucerne be more central? (AFAIK nobody on this list lives in one of these two cities, so question is how to organise it...) Geographically, probably (if I remember well, the exact center of Switzerland is somewhere in Nidwald :-), but I was reasonning in terms of train connections: there are direct trains to Bern from most big cities, definitively not to Luzern (those bloody Alps...) Cheers, Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] about Resolutions and Templated
Michael Bimmler wrote: FYI: I have created two templates: [[Template:Official_document]] and [[Template:Proposal]] and inserted them in Board/Resolutions/2006/01 and /02 respectively. Feel free to change the templates... Done; since we don't have a CSS with a messagebox style, I have copied the relevant properties from the English Wikipedia. Of course, it would be better to create (or copy) the stylesheet, but it is a start (and still manageable for 2 templates ;-) Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Translation
More questions for the French translation: Art. 4.3 Active members have active and passive voting rights as well as the right to speak, file a motion and vote on motions in the general assemblies. What is the difference between active and passive voting right ? If only active members have them, should they be simply voting rights ? Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Translation
Jürg Wolf wrote:
* active voting right = right to get a job within the corporation /
association
* passive voting right = right to vote for someone
Even the swiss constitution and the cantonal constitutions make differences
between these two rights.
Interesting... I did not know about these terms. There is nothing like
that in French, at least not litteraly: we say droit de vote (right to
vote) and éligibilité (the fact that someone can be elected).
To follow up on Jürg's links:
http://www.parlament.ch/f/homepage/sv-services-dummy/sv-ww-a-z/sv-ww-v.htm#sv-ww-v-Vote-droit-Anchor
http://www.parlament.ch/f/homepage/sv-services-dummy/sv-ww-a-z/sv-ww-e.htm#sv-ww-e-Eligibilit%E9-Anchor
I'll translate accordingly.
It looks to me like these terms are not that common in English either
(which does not mean that they are incorrect, of course) -- in any case,
the English Wikipedia does not know about them.
By the way, could a sysop add the template {{bylaws}} at the top of the
German bylaws ? It is very convenient when one is switching from one
version to the other while translating (thanks to Delphine 'Notafish'
for creating it).
Cheers,
Frederic
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Re: [Wikimediach-l] Translation
Nando Stöcklin wrote: Am I correct in thinking that ff. in ein Verein gemäss Artikel 60 ff. des Schweizerischen Zivilgesetzbuches. means and following ? Yes, this is correct. Ok, it was missing in the English version, corrected. BTW, what does ff. stand for in German ? Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Looking at the latest changes on the CH wiki... is it on purpose that the current resolutions look as formal as a UN Security Council resolution ? RESOLVED... AND... FURTHER RESOLVED... so proposed on the fifteenth of March 2006. I know it is borderline to hairsplitting, but this makes the whole thing look very bureaucratic, especially given that there no formal entity yet... Could we do with friendlier texts, please ? Also, do we really need to protect the pages ? We all know that even if changes are made after a resolution has been accepted, they can be reverted. The reason I am asking this (in addition to the general principle that we should only protect pages if needed) is that there are several typos on the page Board/Resolutions/2006/02 that I was ready to correct. Last, but not least... this resolution says that Wikimedia CH shall have its seat in Zurich. Does that mean until a President is elected, or is there a change to the proposed bylaws ? Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] wrote: The thing is, that there are legal actions that have to be done now in preparation of the founding of Wikimedia CH and the Wikipedia Day, such as registering / transfering domain names (wikipedia.ch, wikimedia.ch etc.), contracts which have to been placed (webhosting, server and ressources) which require a postal mail adress. Note that before the association is officially created, there can be no contract in its name, no legal action in its name, no nothing -- it does not exist. Any action that is taken before that is done only in the name of the person who does it. Which is probably why the resolutions are a bit baffling. We can have minutes indicating which decisions have been taken, sure, no problem. Something along the lines of After discussion on the mailing-list, we have decided that the mail will go to here. Such and such will take care of it as secretary until the formal creation of the association, etc... Not something that sounds legal without being so. As for the actual postal mail address, I must admit that I personaly do not care at all about where Wikimedia CH mail goes to, it could be Tolochenaz, Hasle Bei Burgdorf, S-Chanf, Ascona, or whatever... Cheers, Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Jürg Wolf wrote: Is it also foreseen to open a bank account? And if - in which place? And when? In whose name? At which bank? When: not before the association is created. One needs a copy of the bylaws, and the minutes of the first general meeting to open an account (specifying who has access to the account). Which bank: Postfinance looks like a good option to me, if only because it is easy to give a postal account number to anyone for donations, such as 12-345678-9, instead of having to say Bank such and such, account A-BCDEFGH-I. All the associations I know of use a Yellow account as their main accounts. In which place: does not make a difference, especially for postfinance which is all around Switzerland Whose name: Wikimedia CH, with signature from 2 board members required to access the account. Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Ilario Valdelli wrote: I don't undestand. Do you mean that pages are blocked to no-sysop members? It seems to have a sense because when a board (or preliminary board) take a decision it's important to communicate this decision (also with grammatical errors). If a no-board person makes a change with unintentional misanderstandigs, the communication could be different. Of course, your argument makes perfect sense. But being an association that promotes Wikipedia and other Wiki-based projects, I would like to think that we can do without the permanent protections, only with a banner saying This is a resolution voted by the board, and should not be modified anymore. This allows us to send outside a message such as: look, we really believe in this wiki thing, all our stuff is managed by a Wiki, anyone can edit it, and it works. Of course, we are watching the pages, and if you do something silly, we'll reverse your edits, block you and/or protect the page. What do you think if a person change your sandbox or correct your discussion page changing the sense of your sentences? Well... not much really. My discussion page is not protected; if it happens, I reverse the change and warn the person on its talk page. What do you do ? Last, but not least... this resolution says that Wikimedia CH shall have its seat in Zurich. Does that mean until a President is elected, or is there a change to the proposed bylaws ? There was a discussion same months ago and the most part of swiss wikipedians seemed to accept that the seat of foundation was in a town more central for all swiss people (like Zurich). It could be that this resolution is connected with this discussion. My questions arises from the fact that I started to look at the bylaws in order to translate them in French, and §1.2 says that the seat of the association (note that a Foundation is something very different from the legal point of view) is where the President live, so I was wondering how it fits with this resolution that says Zürich ? Best, Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Translation
Am I correct in thinking that ff. in ein Verein gemäss Artikel 60 ff. des Schweizerischen Zivilgesetzbuches. means and following ? Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Updated: Contact information
On 3/5/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI: Emails can now be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Access to the OTRS-queue have Manuel, Nando and I. If anybody wants to help in answering mails (there are not too many mails atm...), please contact JeLuF (IRC or Mail) to get an account. Do you already have, or do you need, a French speaker to be involved in there too ? Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Call for Auditors / Board Members
On 2/22/06, Jürg Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote the same note on http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board/Candidatures In between I don't know if some persons realized their nomination for board. In the last few days were nominated: - Frederic Schutz Indeed, I did not know before your email... I mainly voluntereed to do some work with the French-speaking press; if someone thinks I should be part of the board, I'm ok with that. If you have enough people and there is no special reason for me to be part of the board, I'm ok with that too (and would prefer it that way...). Otherwise, if I don't become a member of the board, I can be an auditor without problem, since I have competences in the field (I can also give a hand to the treasurer if needed, but would not apply for the position, being already treasurer of another association, and I don't think it would a good idea to have the only Romand among German speakers doing all the accounting in French ;-) I have updated the corresponding page on the wiki. Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
