Re: [Wikitech-l] Bulk download

2013-09-27 Thread Tomasz Finc
Thanks for helping to distribute wikipedia more broadly Mihai. Do give Kiwix for Android [1] a shot as it does something very similar to your app. Perhaps you can even collaborate on the project. --tomasz [1] - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kiwix.kiwixmobile On Tue, Sep 24,

Re: [Wikitech-l] AbuseFilter error codes and MobileFrontend

2013-09-27 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 09/26/2013 02:46 PM, Juliusz Gonera wrote: I think the best way to proceed right now is to use the `code` key to determine what to do and we should figure out how to make it better in future. Is there any way I can get notified when your patch gets merged? Not sure if there is such an option

Re: [Wikitech-l] AbuseFilter error codes and MobileFrontend

2013-09-27 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2013-09-27 2:34 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 09/26/2013 02:46 PM, Juliusz Gonera wrote: I think the best way to proceed right now is to use the `code` key to determine what to do and we should figure out how to make it better in future. Is there any way I can get notified when your patch

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Petr Bena
We are getting somewhere else than I wanted... I didn't want to discuss what should be reverted on sight or not. Problem is that right now lot of vandal-fighters see certain amount of dubious edits they skip because they can't verify if they are correct or not, which are then ignored and get lost

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-27 Thread Gryllida
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, at 7:51, Tyler Romeo wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: * use simple action urls https://en.wikipedia.org/Foo?action=history instead of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fooaction=history This already

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:51:34 +0200, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: We are getting somewhere else than I wanted... I didn't want to discuss what should be reverted on sight or not. Problem is that right now lot of vandal-fighters see certain amount of dubious edits they skip because they

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [wikimedia #5841] etherpad.wikimedia.org downtime due to upgrade

2013-09-27 Thread Alexandros Kosiaris
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Core operations via RT core-...@rt.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:01 PM Subject: [wikimedia #5841] etherpad.wikimedia.org downtime due to upgrade To: akosia...@wikimedia.org I am scheduling a downtime for etherpad.wikimedia.org on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Petr Bena
What I described are flagged revs the other way. Is it possible to enable them in reverse-mode so that all edits are flagged as good, but editors can flag them as bad? If not, I can't see how it could be useful for this purpose... On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sep 27, 2013 5:06 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:51:34 +0200, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: We are getting somewhere else than I wanted... I didn't want to discuss what should be reverted on sight or not. Problem is that right now lot of

[Wikitech-l] architectural granularity

2013-09-27 Thread JFC Morfin
The granularity of my project is down to an open number (they will probably span on multiple servers) of small groups (mainly of one individual) of protected, *wiki pages* of which the presentation may be associated under various thematic gateways. I am interested in community advices

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [wikimedia #5841] etherpad.wikimedia.org downtime due to upgrade

2013-09-27 Thread Ken Snider
Thanks, Alex! --Ken. On Sep 27, 2013, at 6:29 AM, Alexandros Kosiaris akosia...@wikimedia.org wrote: FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Core operations via RT core-...@rt.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:01 PM Subject: [wikimedia #5841] etherpad.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-27 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 09/27/2013 06:03 AM, Gryllida wrote: I would be concerned about proper work of this feature in wikilinks. [[Main Page?action=history|Foo]] makes a red broken link. So does: [[/w/index.php?title=Main Page|Foo]] Neither would be expected to work. Anything to the left of the pipe in your

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:39:46 +0200, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to enable them in reverse-mode so that all edits are flagged as good, but editors can flag them as bad? If not, I can't see how it could be useful for this purpose... flagging as bad? Do you mean reverting?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:39:46 +0200, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to enable them in reverse-mode so that all edits are flagged as good, but editors can flag them as bad? If not, I can't see

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Derric Atzrott
Is it possible to enable them in reverse-mode so that all edits are flagged as good, but editors can flag them as bad? If not, I can't see how it could be useful for this purpose... flagging as bad? Do you mean reverting? I just don't see what you are trying to accomplish. Sorry. I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sep 27, 2013 8:18 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Is it possible to enable them in reverse-mode so that all edits are flagged as good, but editors can flag them as bad? If not, I can't see how it could be useful for this purpose... flagging as bad? Do you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Petr Bena
Not really, I can't see how tags help at all in here. We are talking about any kind of edit (nothing that can be matched by regex) which seems suspicious to vandal-fighter (human) but who can't make sure if it's vandalism or not. Nothing like abuse filter nor patrolled edits can help here (unless

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Not really, I can't see how tags help at all in here. We are talking about any kind of edit (nothing that can be matched by regex) which seems suspicious to vandal-fighter (human) but who can't make sure if it's vandalism or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:18:01 +0200, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: I thought FlaggedRevs prevented the newest version of the page from being shown until it has been approved? Flagged Revisions allows for Editor and Reviewer users to rate revisions of articles and set

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Petr Bena
Yes, having https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1189 would be definitely a solution. But question is if it's ever going to happen on production. On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:18:01 +0200, Derric Atzrott

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Aaron Halfaker
I've got to say that this problem seems pretty straightforward. Essentially, we need something lighter than 'revert' for edits that need a second set of eyes. What we really want is a queue of suspect revisions that allows Wikipedians to flag new revisions, query current flagged revisions and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Petr Bena
Hi, I think you perfectly summarized this issue. I like the first solution (3rd provider on wikimedia labs with some well documented api interface) but I must admit that identity sharing might be little problem (if some troll figured out this system and we weren't using any identification at all,

[Wikitech-l] Backport policy

2013-09-27 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
We've come up with another document for interested people to review: the Backport policy[1]. Just as a process for reviewing RFPs was introduced this year, we've also set up a way to review requested backports. The first meeting to review these requests is in 2 weeks. In the meantime, have a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [wikimedia #5841] etherpad.wikimedia.org downtime due to upgrade

2013-09-27 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
What should I do if a number of etherpads seem to be completely gone? Can someone click on any of the pad links on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2013/Schedule/Saturday and tell me if they are able to see some content? Thanks. Nemo

[Wikitech-l] GSoC OPW final results

2013-09-27 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, we have the final results of our Summer internship programs: GSoC: 18 pass - 2 pending https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013 OPW: 1 pass - 0 pending https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women/Round_6 First of all: THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO ALL INTERNS AND MENTORS

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC OPW final results

2013-09-27 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 09/27/2013 04:04 PM, Quim Gil wrote: ... and now starts another fascinating phase: encouraging these 21 interns to stay with us, becoming regular contributors and, eventually, future mentors for new generations of interns. Everybody can help to achieve this. A good start: congratulate

[Wikitech-l] GSoC2013 Summary: Right to Left Support in VisualEditor

2013-09-27 Thread Moriel Schottlender
Hello everyone! Google Summer of Code 2013 came to an official end today with final reviews and code submissions. I wrote a blog post summarizing the summer internship, the deliverables, and the thank-yous: http://moriel.smarterthanthat.com/tips/google-summer-of-code-2013-summary/ I'd like to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
All this is unnecessary complication. If you use Huggle and see something ok (= not to be reverted), Huggle must mark it patrolled; if you're unsure, you should be able to tell so to Huggle and it will be left unpatrolled. If you're emotionally attached to the idea of doing the opposite, you

[Wikitech-l] Deployment Highlights - week of September 30th, 2013

2013-09-27 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Hello and here's your latest edition of the deployment highlights email! Full schedule here: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Week_of_September_30th == Monday == * VisualEditor will be enabled by default for Logged-in users on the following wikis: Bulgarian (bg), Catalan (ca),

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Aaron Halfaker
If you use Huggle and see something ok (= not to be reverted), Huggle must mark it patrolled; if you're unsure, you should be able to tell so to Huggle and it will be left unpatrolled. This is not the same. Surely, most edits would appear in such an unpatrolled list. Most edits are not seen by

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Risker
I think a few different concepts are being muddled here. Flagged revisions (and its variant, pending changes, on enwiki) is applied to individual articles to hold *all* edits from certain user classes for review. What Petr is looking for is a way to flag *individual edits* to an article (not the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2013-09-27 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
This is a quick followup to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/323006 and partly in keeping with the anti-vandalism discussion at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/392727 as well. On 12/27/2012 07:26 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: TL;DR: A few ideas follow on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Advance notice: I'm taking a sabbatical October-December

2013-09-27 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Well, off I go. I'm about to unsubscribe from this list for the first time in years. Looking forward to returning in January with MORE POWERS. -Sumana P.S. I'm sure you can find my personal email address if you need to. :) On 09/04/2013 09:47 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: Thanks, Oren! If I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2013-09-27 Thread Arcane 21
I like this idea. Not every Tor user is vandal or troll, and assuming that all of them are by default is not assuming good faith. Some people are just really paranoid about their internet anonymity or live in restrictive countries (both of which I sympathize with), so this idea would let them

Re: [Wikitech-l] Advance notice: I'm taking a sabbatical October-December

2013-09-27 Thread Arcane 21
Good luck and have fun, Sumana! :) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:31:37 -0400 From: suma...@wikimedia.org To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Advance notice: I'm taking a sabbatical October-December Well, off I go. I'm about to unsubscribe from this list for the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2013-09-27 Thread Risker
On 27 September 2013 19:40, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: This is a quick followup to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/323006 and partly in keeping with the anti-vandalism discussion at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/392727 as well.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2013-09-27 Thread Arcane 21
Hmm, I can see your point. Flagged Revs would be as much of hindrances on regular users as it would be on Tor users. I still think it should be permissable for Tor editors to submit legitimate edits in some way, but your points about the AGF policy and the purpose of Flagged Revs are duly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2013-09-27 Thread Gryllida
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013, at 10:17, Arcane 21 wrote: I like this idea. Not every Tor user is vandal or troll, and assuming that all of them are by default is not assuming good faith. To avoid endless abuse some services ask people to register from a non-TOR IP, and allow them to connect from TOR

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2013-09-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: From talking to Eleanor Saitta: could we do FlaggedRevs by IP space, and/or by the intersection of IPs and topic space? Basically, let people edit from Tor IPs (and/or whitelist or blacklist categories) as long

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Petr Bena
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I think a few different concepts are being muddled here. Flagged revisions (and its variant, pending changes, on enwiki) is applied to individual articles to hold *all* edits from certain user classes for review. What Petr

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Risker
On 28 September 2013 00:54, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I think a few different concepts are being muddled here. Flagged revisions (and its variant, pending changes, on enwiki) is applied to individual articles

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] webfonts in mobile frontend

2013-09-27 Thread Yuvi Panda
Forwarded to wikitech-l -- Forwarded message -- From: Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il Date: Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 10:38 AM Subject: [WikimediaMobile] webfonts in mobile frontend To: mobil...@lists.wikimedia.org mobil...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi, So today I worked

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2013-09-27 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Gryllida, that can already be done: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/No_open_proxies , updated only a few days ago. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42231 was also just fixed to inform users better, thanks to Tyler and Reedy. Nemo ___