Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 09/05/2015 07:11 PM, MZMcBride wrote: I think there are people who sympathize with and even support efforts to have codes of conduct in technical spaces, but who don't want to feel demonized for being male. Then those people should be glad to participate in finalizing this CoC. There's a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 09/05/2015 05:32 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: lol, consensus among whom, to what? "There is consensus at" - Consensus among people discussing at that talk page. "that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few sections at once" - Consensus about that. Matt Flaschen

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote: > > Oliver Keyes wrote: > >>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or > >>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 8 September 2015 at 12:56, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote: >> > Oliver Keyes wrote: >> >>On the general subject of codes of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > On 8 September 2015 at 12:56, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) > wrote: > > Some people (regardless of gender or other characteristics) find > harassing > > or discriminatory behavior offensive, such behavior

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 8 September 2015 at 14:04, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> On 8 September 2015 at 12:56, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) >> wrote: >> > Some people (regardless of gender or other

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: > On 9/5/15, rupert THURNER wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen < > mflasc...@wikimedia.org> > > wrote: > > > >> There is consensus at > >> > >> >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 9/5/15, rupert THURNER wrote: > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen > wrote: > >> There is consensus at >> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps >> that the best way to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 9/5/15, MZMcBride wrote: > Oliver Keyes wrote: >>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or >>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I >>recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an >>interesting read and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

> the mails sent here the last week made me think more thorough about what > the actual problem is, and reconsider my posiiton. i added comments to the > phabricator ticket at: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90908#1612033. > > to summarize the phabricator comments briefly, i experienced the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

As I tried to explain at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-August/082778.html, there is a potential correlation between being opposed to a Code of Conduct and having a community profile needing less such Code of Conduct. This doesn't mean that our community doesn't need a Code

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

I cannot find any possible lost by applying those principles neither. Vito 2015-09-06 14:49 GMT+02:00 Quim Gil : > As I tried to explain at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-August/082778.html, > there is a potential correlation between being opposed to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

Why don't you comment on any of the three links provided in the email you're replying to? That seems like an obvious venue for concerns you might have. On 5 September 2015 at 17:32, rupert THURNER wrote: > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote: > It seems weird to me that the > push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has > become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. > Really?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 4:11 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Am I supposed to know what a manfeeling is? It seems weird to me that the > push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has > become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 5 September 2015 at 23:19, David Gerard wrote: > > > I don’t feel safe because there is a code of conduct. But I tell you one > thing that makes me feel unsafe – men who will endlessly, vociferously > argue against them. Maybe a code of conduct isn’t meaningful. But at this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

The first and last paras are particularly worth quoting: > Earlier this year I pulled out of a conference because the organiser and I > disagreed on code of conducts. Specifically I thought there should be one, > and he did not. He did eventually add one, but refused to define unacceptable >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 6 September 2015 at 00:11, MZMcBride wrote: > become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there It would probably be fascinating to have this technical term defined with any specificity. > of this content, but I can see a lot potential allies

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 5 September 2015 at 21:11, Alex Monk wrote: > On 5 September 2015 at 23:19, David Gerard wrote: > > > > > I don’t feel safe because there is a code of conduct. But I tell you > one > > thing that makes me feel unsafe – men who will endlessly,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I recently encountered http://www.catehuston.com/blog/2015/09/02/code-of-conducts-and-worthless-manfeelings/ on Twitter - it's an interesting read and brings up a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

Oliver Keyes wrote: >On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or >don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I >recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an >interesting read and brings up a couple of points definitely worth >thinking

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride wrote: > Oliver Keyes wrote: >>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or >>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I >>recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > There is consensus at > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps > that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few > sections at once (while