Re: [Wikitech-l] Pending Changes UI issues

2010-10-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:28 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Rob Lanphier wrote: >> A few of us (Brandon, Alolita, and I) had a conversation about >> clearing up the more vague items on the Pending Changes roadmap >> (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pending_Changes_enwiki_trial/Roadmap )

[Wikitech-l] Deployment of volunteer code (Re: Collaboration between staff and volunteers: a two-way street)

2010-10-18 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, Pulling out a subconversation from the collaboration thread On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > The number one thing that > volunteers are unhappy about is non-deployment of volunteer code. > Why?  Because the only reason for their participation is so that their >

[Wikitech-l] Convention for logged vs not-logged page requests

2010-10-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, In diving into a problem with logging[1], we discovered that we were unintentionally treating several special page accesses (in this case, containing included Javascript) as normal pageviews, thus throwing our pageview statistics way off. The proposed solution involves changing the way we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Convention for logged vs not-logged page requests

2010-10-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: > If I've understood you correctly, your suggestion is that, to make > logging easier, we should adopt a convention of how we call certain web > resources. I'm not so much suggesting it as I am stating the status quo, and asking whether w

[Wikitech-l] Release process

2010-10-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, There have been a number of calls to make the release process more predictable (or maybe just faster). There are plenty of examples of projects that have very predictable release schedules, such as the GNOME project or the Ubuntu Linux distribution. It's not at all unreasonable to e

[Wikitech-l] Pending Changes development update: October 25

2010-10-25 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, This is another update on Pending Changes work. Over the Hack-a-ton weekend, Chad Horohoe and Priyanka Dhanda worked on two of the bigger features for the November 16 Pending Changes update: Bug 25294 - "Reject" button confirmation screen in Pending Changes https://bugzilla.wikimedi

Re: [Wikitech-l] New installer is here

2010-10-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Chad wrote: > This has been a long development process for almost 2 years > now, and I'd like to thank Max, Mark H., Jure, Jeroen, Roan > and Siebrand for their invaluable help in working on this. And > especially thanks to Tim for starting the project and providi

[Wikitech-l] Bugzilla keywords for deployment queues?

2010-11-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, One discussion we had at the Hack-a-ton was about the continued frustration of getting features deployed to the WMF-operated sites. Prior to Hack-a-ton, one short-term solution we started work on was consolidating the review queue into a single place: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Re

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla keywords for deployment queues?

2010-11-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Trevor and Roan Comments inline (Roan, my reply to you is way below) On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Trevor Parscal wrote: > The idea of dividing deploy and enable seems strange to me. Only in the > case of a feature-flagged bit of core code or extension which has not > been deployed yet

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla keywords for deployment queues?

2010-11-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Chad wrote: > +1. I feel like we're trying to change a workflow when we should be > trying to get rid of a backlog. Instead of trying to discuss ways to > improve the workflow, we should Just Do It. The problem is agreeing on what "it" is. Every time I ask for a l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Selenium Smoke Test Framework

2010-11-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Some context here: Jinesh and the folks at Calcey are going to be pitching in on building out our Selenium test framework. I asked them to take a look here: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/tests/selenium/suites/MediawikiCoreSmokeTestCase.php?view=m

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deferred, but still in need of review

2010-11-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jack Phoenix wrote: > I want to have my SocialProfile-related commits (as well as other extension > commits) reviewed, but the deferred status doesn't mean "review me later", > it means "nobody cares about this revision", or at least currently it means > that. Now

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deferred, but still in need of review

2010-11-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > On 15/11/10 06:58, Jack Phoenix wrote: >> The deployment queue is already long enough and people who are reviewing >> code for Wikimedia deployment are having a hard time catching up; I don't >> want to make their work any more difficult than

[Wikitech-l] Pending Changes/Flagged Revisions update tomorrow

2010-11-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We are currently planning to roll out a new version of the FlaggedRevs extension to all wikis on Tuesday, November 23 starting roughly 3:15pm PST (23:15 UTC). This is used for Pending Changes on en.wikipedia.org and Flagged Revisions on many other wikis (such as de.wikipedia.org and p

Re: [Wikitech-l] Review statistics not working after FlaggedRevs update

2010-11-24 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi lampak This wasn't an intentional omission. Bug filed: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26112 Rob On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:49 PM, lampak wrote: > ... or at least a few pieces of it don't. > > http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specjalna:Statystyki_oznaczania > http://de.wikipedia.

[Wikitech-l] Status update on test framework deployment

2010-12-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, It's been a while since I've updated the notes from our test framework meetings, so I just did so today: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/Test_framework The meeting earlier today is here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/Test_framework/2010-12-02 Not a lot of context in

[Wikitech-l] Code review and making it to 1.17

2010-12-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, The code review team has been doing a fantastic job of clearing out the backlog, which you can see here: http://toolserver.org/~robla/crstats/crstats.html (uncheck "ok" on the checkboxes on the bottom to see new commits) There's some release planning issues that we have to sort out:

[Wikitech-l] Draft plan for 1.17 branch next week (Code review and making it to 1.17)

2010-12-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, On IRC, Trevor lead the charge "to Etherpad!", and some of us followed. This was the result: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.17 This is an aggressive plan, starting with branching for 1.17 early next week. It is by no means official; Tim and Mark H are both named,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code review and making it to 1.17

2010-12-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote: > Possibly superfluous clarification: what we're talking about here is > to branch 1.17wmf1 (i.e. WMF deployment), not an immediate 1.17 > release candidate. Obviously we'd deploy first and release later, > that's what we've always done AFAIK. Y

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving the skinning system

2010-12-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Daniel Friesen wrote: > I've been chipping away at our skins system lately, there's a lot we can > improve to improve the skins system. > Right now there's a lot of it that doesn't work so nicely for an > ecosystem promoting the creation of a wide variety of skins.

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Brion, Thanks for laying out the problem so clearly! I agree wholeheartedly that we need to avoid thinking about this problem too narrowly as a user interface issue on top of existing markup+templates. More inline: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: > This isn't a problem

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2010-12-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: > Let's imagine you wanted to start a rival to Wikipedia. Assume that you > are motivated by money, and that venture capitalists promise you can be > paid gazillions of dollars if you can do one, or many, of the following: > > 1 - Become

Re: [Wikitech-l] What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG)

2011-01-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, George Herbert wrote: > That we've multiply concluded that it will never change doesn't mean > it won't; as a thought exercise, as I suggested in OtherThread, we > should consider negating that conclusion and seeing what happens. Agreed. I think part of the proble

Re: [Wikitech-l] What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG)

2011-01-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Chad wrote: > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: >> If, for example, we can build some sort of per-revision indicator of >> markup language (sort of similar to mime type) which would let us >> support multiple parsers on t

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > Exactly my point -- spending time tinkering with > sortof-human-readable-but-not-powerful-enough syntax distracts from thinking > about what needs to be *described* in the data... which is the important > thing needed when devising an actual st

[Wikitech-l] Update on 1.17

2011-01-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Here's a quick update on the 1.17 release of Mediawiki. The code review group continues to make headway on the backlog of outstanding checkins in "new" status. We peaked at 1400 unreviewed checkins back in September, last month we were at 800, and now we're now under 300. We *hope* t

[Wikitech-l] Update on Bugmeister

2011-01-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, As you saw, we pulled the Bugmeister listing from the list of open positions (though it's still available here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Bugmeister ). We talked to some excellent candidates, but we found it was a trickier spot to fill than we first anticipated

[Wikitech-l] New committer: Apekshit Sharma (appy)

2011-01-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Earlier this week, I added Apekshit Sharma (appy) as a committer in extensions-only for work on Article Highlight: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Article_Highlight Welcome appy! Rob ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wi

[Wikitech-l] 1.17 revisions to review by tag

2011-01-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Here's a breakdown of the revisions left to review: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.17/Revision_report Current count of branches plus extensions: 283 There's a script to generate this (publishing source later; requires toolserver), so we should be able to maintain

[Wikitech-l] Planned 1.17 deployment on February 8

2011-01-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Just repeating something I just posted to http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/planned-1-17-deployment/ The engineering team is busy working on the deployment of the 1.17 branch of MediaWiki[1]. We plan to roll this out next week to all languages and projects, Tuesday, February 8,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Planned 1.17 deployment on February 8

2011-01-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:41 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Rob Lanphier wrote: > > Just repeating something I just posted to > > http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/planned-1-17-deployment/ > > Thank you for posting here. I'm not sure about others, but I rarely visit >

[Wikitech-l] Your code will be reverted

2011-02-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We're getting very close to deploying 1.17 to the Wikimedia Foundation websites, but still have a fair amount of code (102 revisions) to review and possibly revert.  One big obstacle that could cause us to get cold feet is the number of revisions marked "fixme" (29 revisions): http://

[Wikitech-l] New two-part schedule for 1.17 deployment

2011-02-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, In case you missed it on the techblog, here's an update on the revised deployment plan for 1.17, part 1 of which starts in 7 hours: http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/1-17deployment-attempt2/ Also copied below. Rob -- As covered on this blog this week, we had a few problems

Re: [Wikitech-l] New two-part schedule for 1.17 deployment

2011-02-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > 2011/2/11 Rob Lanphier : >> First window >> This first deployment window will be to a limited set of wikis: >> >> http://simple.wikipedia.org/ (simplewiki) >> http://simple.wiktionar

Re: [Wikitech-l] Migrating to GIT (extensions)

2011-02-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Siebrand Mazeland wrote: > With regards to i18n support it is not clear to me how translatewiki staff > would deal with 100+1 commits to different repo's every day if core and > extensions would each be in individual repos. Can you please explain how > Raymond wou

[Wikitech-l] Another 1.17 maintenance window

2011-02-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
( repost from http://techblog.wikimedia.org ) Continuing with the work started last week[1], we plan to deploy 1.17 to more wikis in a couple hours. We had hoped we would be able to figure out the performance issues in the past week, but unfortunately, the only practical way we have to see the lo

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Another 1.17 maintenance window

2011-02-16 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > 2011/2/16 Rob Lanphier : >> ( repost from http://techblog.wikimedia.org ) >> >> Continuing with the work started last week[1], we plan to deploy 1.17 >> to more wikis in a couple hours. > > (I can'

[Wikitech-l] Welcome, Sumana Harihareswara

2011-03-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'd like to welcome Sumana Harihareswara as a consultant helping out with some tasks that we eventually plan to hire a Volunteer Development Coordinator to handle. Specifically, she's going to focus on our participation in Google Summer of Code, as well as helping plan WMF's particip

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code review — let us know you're testing code

2011-03-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Huib Laurens wrote: > I am happy to mark things as tested if that helps out :-) > > But I need to say the trunk seems to be more instable... I use trunk for 3 > production sites and its updated every morning... and seems to break every > two days... Normally it wou

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code review — let us know you're testing code

2011-03-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Platonides wrote: > Rob Lanphier wrote: >> I'd like to add something to the great suggestions that have already >> come in.  Since you're already doing daily updates and seeing the >> breakage, you already know within 50-60 revisi

[Wikitech-l] Site fixes this week

2011-03-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
Reposting from techblog: http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/03/site-fixes/ - Site fixes this week We’re still in the middle of cleaning up some lingering issues from the 1.17 deployment, and despite our best efforts, you may see a little bit of quirkiness in the site: * One prob

[Wikitech-l] New committer: Russ Nelson

2011-03-18 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Russ Nelson (svn account: nelson) is a new committer to core MediaWiki. Russ is contracting to Wikimedia Foundation to create a scalable media storage system based on OpenStack's Swift object store, some Swift middleware custom for MediaWiki, and File and FileRepo-derived classes spe

Re: [Wikitech-l] Converting to Git?

2011-03-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Siebrand Mazeland wrote: > IMO that a bridge too far. My question is "Why should we make this > happen?", and more specifically, what do our various stakeholders (which > groups?) gain or lose in case MediaWiki development would shift from > Subversion to Git? Only

Re: [Wikitech-l] Converting to Git?

2011-03-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Happy-melon wrote: > To my mind, this is one of the most important points.  We have built up a > very comprehensive infrastructure for code review in SVN, and there is a lot > of manhours behind that work; and just as many hours associated with setting > up a repla

Re: [Wikitech-l] Converting to Git?

2011-03-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > On 23/03/11 04:24, Rob Lanphier wrote: >> The most convincing general Subversion->DVCS argument I've read is here: >> http://hginit.com/00.html >> >> This argument refers to Mercurial, but the same benefits

[Wikitech-l] The priority of code review (Re: Code Review tools)

2011-03-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > If, as Tim says, Wikimedia developers were un-assigned from code > review after the 1.17 deployment, *that* is the problem that needs to > be fixed. We need a managerial decision that all relatively > experienced developers employed by Wikim

Re: [Wikitech-l] Open call for Parser bugs

2011-04-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Petr Kadlec wrote: > On 6 April 2011 23:21, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: >> This week, I'm going to focus on Parser-related bugs.  There are >> currently 10 bugs on the with the “triage” keyword applied.  A bug >> triage meeting needs about 30 bugs, so I have room f

[Wikitech-l] Bug priorities (Re: Change in Bugzilla's defaults)

2011-04-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Krinkle wrote: > I agree. Defaulting new bugs to a low priority doesn't seem very > friendly > to new users. They don't know (and shouldn't have to know) what the > bugmeister's organization is. I thought about replying with a similar response, but then I realize

Re: [Wikitech-l] Status of more regular code deployments

2011-05-30 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 9:15 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > MZMcBride wrote: >> Is there a status update about more regular code deployments to Wikimedia >> wikis? I know it's been discussed endlessly, but I was under the impression >> that it was a real goal going forward. Is that still the case? > > Hmm

[Wikitech-l] Code review process (was: Status of more regular code deployments)

2011-05-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: > Are we all in deadlock or something? Are the users who can push waiting > from some proposals/work from the rest of the community? We had a hallway conversation about this just now (Neil, Trevor, Brion and I, and then just Brion and I)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Home stretch of 1.19 code review

2012-01-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
Thanks for sending out this reminder Mark! Comments inline: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: > CRStats (http://toolserver.org/~robla/crstats/) shows that on December > 24th we were had around 500 revisions left for review. > > This wasn't too bad except that we CRStats

[Wikitech-l] Welcome, Andrew Otto - Software Developer for Analytics

2012-01-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'm pleased to announce Andrew Otto will be coming to Wikimedia Foundation as a software developer in Platform Engineering, focused on analytics. We've been hiring for this spot for quite some time, and I'm happy we held out for Andrew. Andrew comes to us from CouchSurfing, where he

[Wikitech-l] Breaking backwards compatibility (Re: MediaWiki 1.18 learnings from a wiki admin & extension writer)

2012-01-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi DanB, Comments inline: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Barrett wrote: > As MediaWiki 1.19 is getting ready, I'd like to offer information on how > MediaWiki 1.18.0 was the most difficult MW upgrade I've ever been through. > > Some background: my team administers an internal wiki at a

[Wikitech-l] New committer: Thibaut Horel (zaran)

2012-01-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Please welcome new committer Thibaut Horel (username: zaran), who plans to help maintain the Proofread Page extension. Thibaut is an active contributor on fr.wikisource.org and is here at the San Francisco Hackathon this weekend. Rob ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.19, Resource Loader, Gadgets, and User Scripts

2012-01-24 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: > Let's ensure that the Wiki* experience is consistent.  We can avoid some > of the mistakes like those that happened when we introduced > ResourceLoader.  Backwards compatibility is important.  If we upgrade > MediaWiki and we know that

[Wikitech-l] Moving forward with Lua

2012-01-26 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, As you may know, WMF's Platform Engineering group plans to embark on a major performance initiative this year, and had chosen inline scripting as having the biggest potential impact given what's practical now. Tim Starling build a Lua prototype last year which showed a lot of promise fo

[Wikitech-l] Reviewers: great work today!

2012-01-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, With everything that's been going on in WMF land (SOPA + SF Hackathon), our code review work has been falling behind. Thankfully, we've had another great Friday in CR, which has resulted in things getting much better. As of this writing, we only have 60 new revisions without the "nodep

[Wikitech-l] Welcome Chris McMahon, QA Lead at Wikimedia Foundation

2012-01-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I’d like to welcome Chris McMahon to the Platform Engineering team as our new QA Lead. Chris has a long history working in software testing, coming to us most recently from Sentry Data Systems where he was responsible for test automation. One particularly relevant bit of experience

[Wikitech-l] Branch 1.19 on Tuesday, February 6?

2012-02-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We're hitting the home stretch. Check this out: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.19/Revision_report Summary: 27 unreviewed ("new") revisions, 14 fixmes It looks like we're getting close enough to the bottom of the review queue that we could conceivably even hit zero unrevi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Branch 1.19 on Tuesday, February 6?

2012-02-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Jeremy Baron wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 22:46, Risker wrote: >> On 3 February 2012 19:07, Rob Lanphier wrote: >>> The biggest risk for a February 13 deployment > [...] > >> The thread indicates the deployment will be on Feb 6

[Wikitech-l] 20 percent time standups prior to 1.19

2012-02-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, This mail is primarily directed toward Wikimedia Foundation employees, but isn't private, so I'm directing it here. As many of you know, we have a policy for Wikimedia Foundation engineers that states that they need to work 20% of their time on maintenance and communication tasks whi

[Wikitech-l] New committer: Chris McMahon (cmcmahon)

2012-02-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Chris McMahon (cmcmahon) is our latest addition to the committer list. Rob On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I’d like to welcome Chris McMahon to the Platform Engineering team as > our new QA Lead.  Chris has a long histor

[Wikitech-l] How to avoid a post-branch code slush (Re: Branch 1.19 on Tuesday, February 6?)

2012-02-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Petr Bena wrote: > Hi, is there any update on branching? Thank you Sam will be doing it soon. After that it means, in theory, that trunk will be open for post-deploy commits. However, we *cannot* let the same backlog back up that we did before, and there's no way

Re: [Wikitech-l] How to avoid a post-branch code slush (Re: Branch 1.19 on Tuesday, February 6?)

2012-02-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > This is one of the reasons I've been hoping we'd move to a more pre-commit > review model. Especially for big refactorings and cleanups that have > limited immediate value, we tend to get a lot of breakages a not a lot of > interest in fully re

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator

2012-02-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM, John Du Hart wrote: > Just want to check in to see how everyone's doing. I see a lot of account > creations however no posts to differential. Is there a problem I'm not > aware of? Documentation problems? Software issues? Do we see something we > don't like? > > W

[Wikitech-l] We're still in a code slush (Re: How to avoid a post-branch code slush)

2012-02-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
we go live on Git. So far, there hasn't been a lot of discussion on either option. Brion and Roan both pointed out problems with option "a", while no one has raised a serious objection to option "b". Rob On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > On Wed, F

[Wikitech-l] "backcompat" keyword

2012-02-11 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, After Niklas mentioned in another thread that the i18n team was effectively ignoring the code slush, I decided to do some spot checking to see what couldn't wait. What I saw was a lot of backwards compatibility breakage that's going to make releasing 1.19 and the eventual 1.20 releas

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git migration - updated schedule & workflow descriptions

2012-02-11 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Niklas Comments inline... On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Niklas Laxström wrote: > Since you already are suggesting people to start git repositories, we > should prepare the i18n support right now. Translatewiki.net is not > ready to handle random git repositories all over the world (nor it

Re: [Wikitech-l] PHP 5.3 policies

2012-02-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 5:34 AM, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: > I'm wondering about two things: > > * When will we finally drop 5.2.x support? I just did a check of what Dreamhost is running, which seems to be PHP 5.2.17. Maybe they're trailing edge (after all, they still only have MediaWiki 1.16.4), b

[Wikitech-l] Welcome David Schoonover - Systems Engineer - Data Analytics

2012-02-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'm pleased to welcome a new member of our analytics engineering team. David Schoonover starts today in the San Francisco office[1] as our new Systems Engineer for Data Analytics. David previously worked remotely for a company in McLean, VA in Virginia's Silicon...thing (not valley,

[Wikitech-l] Please test on our deploy candidate server (test2)

2012-02-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Stage 0 of our deployment of MediaWiki 1.19 is complete, which is our deployment to "test2". This wiki is actually on the live cluster like any other wiki, which is about as close as it gets to what things are going to be like when we deploy it to production wikis like any others. H

[Wikitech-l] Swift thumbnails temporarily disabled; fix underway

2012-02-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone Short version: Some people have reported issues with corrupted thumbnail images in which they appear truncated. We’ve identified the cause of the problem and believe we have a fix in place. It may take a few days to fully propagate, during which you may continue to see corrupted thumb

[Wikitech-l] State of the 1.19 deployment; one (known) blocking bug

2012-02-16 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I just wanted to give an update on where we are with the 1.19 rollout. We started the rollout yesterday, as planned, and during our deployment window yesterday, got through about half of the wikis we intended to. You can see some of the fixes we needed to make last night and today h

[Wikitech-l] Please test Javascript on meta.wikimedia.org

2012-02-17 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We have some general Javascript errors that we've been discussing here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34450 Yesterday, Roan and others made some fixes in this area in an attempt to address the problems we were seeing. Here's a list of Roan's commits: https://www.med

[Wikitech-l] Latest look at the 1.19 deployment blockers

2012-02-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We have a lot of issues to get through before pushing MediaWiki 1.19 out to commons on Tuesday afternoon (late Tuesday/early Wednesday UTC) The general situation is that there still seem to be many Javascript issues cropping up. Additionally, there's one logging bug that's really ca

[Wikitech-l] State of 1.18

2012-02-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Here's where we are. We've got a lot of blockers listed below, though it's probably not as bad as it looks from the bug count. == Blocking stage 2 deployment (commons) == Javascript/Resource Loader Tim did a bunch of work in this general area today. I'm hopeful Roan will have some

[Wikitech-l] State of 1.19 deploy

2012-02-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
...and just for grins, we'll make that "1.19" -- Forwarded message ------ From: Rob Lanphier Date: Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:02 AM Subject: State of 1.18 To: Wikimedia developers Hi everyone, Here's where we are.  We've got a lot of blockers listed below,

Re: [Wikitech-l] ExtensionDistributor on mediawiki.org is down

2012-02-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
We were having problems with the 1.19 deployment which were caused in part by the load on fenari caused by the distributor. I believe Tim can get it back up and running later. Rob On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > If I try to generate a snapshot of any extension on mediawik

[Wikitech-l] 1.19 deploy to commons rescheduled for Wednesday, Feb 22 18:00-22:00 UTC

2012-02-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, The 1.19 deploy to commons didn't go the way we hoped. We're planning to try again tomorrow, after we have some time to debug some of the problems we hit. Roan and Aaron are discussing some thumb generation issues now, and there are also some Javascript issues that we'll need to resolve

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.19 deploy to commons rescheduled for Wednesday, Feb 22 18:00-22:00 UTC

2012-02-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
o lazy for that, at least drop a note on this talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_maintenance_notice Thanks! Rob On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > Hi all, > > The 1.19 deploy to commons didn't go the way we hoped.  We're planning >

[Wikitech-l] Postponing Git migration until March 21

2012-02-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We'd like to postpone the Git migration 2.5 weeks, with a new final migration date of Wednesday, March 21. Here's the convergence of factors that led us to the new date: * The 1.19 deployment has kept us busy enough that none of the rest of us in Platform Engineering have had spare

Re: [Wikitech-l] Postponing Git migration until March 21

2012-02-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Krinkle wrote: > On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > >> So, there's a machine deployment we need to do as well. >> The good thing about this >> > > "The good thing about this"… is yes ? Oops...heh.

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.19 deployment date

2012-02-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Platonides wrote: > On 28/02/12 09:32, Bináris wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You write on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.19/Roadmap: >>> Wednesday, March 1 (-2), 23:00-03:00 UTC (3pm-7pm PST): >> >> Stage 5 deployment to: >>    - All Wikipedia sites >> >> Do you

[Wikitech-l] Reminder: deployment of 1.19 to most Wikipedias today

2012-02-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Just a reminder that we're deploying MediaWiki 1.19 to most Wikipedias in a few hours (including enwiki), starting at 23:00 UTC (3pm PST). In January, Wikipedia represented 94.7% of our page traffic: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyAllProjects.htm Since we've alr

[Wikitech-l] 1.18 code review status

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Thank you everyone involved for getting the review queue down as low as it is. As it stands, we have 82 new revisions to review, and 57 fixmes: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.18/Revision_report Back on August 18, we had 171 new revisions to review and 59 fixmes. I

[Wikitech-l] Aaron Schulz now full-time at Wikimedia Foundation

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I’m extremely pleased to welcome Aaron Schulz to Wikimedia Foundation as a full-time developer in Platform Engineering.  Aaron is a long-time MediaWiki developer, starting as a volunteer in 2007.  He quickly proved adept at working with the FlaggedRevs extension, so WMF hired him as a

Re: [Wikitech-l] divergence in commit review backlog statistics for trunk

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Ashar Voultoiz wrote: > On 31/08/11 21:48, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: >> The 1.18 revision report >> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.18/Revision_report > > We should really integrate that revision report into the CR extens

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding MD5 / SHA1 column to revision table (discussing r94289)

2011-09-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Daniel Friesen wrote: > On 11-09-02 05:20 PM, Asher Feldman wrote: >> When using for analysis, will we wish the new columns had partial indexes >> (first 6 characters?) > Bug 2939 is one relevant bug to this, it could probably use an index. > [1] https://bugzilla.w

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we make the life of extension developers easier?

2011-09-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > Generally speaking, we should only throw warnings or remove old interfaces > that are actively broken (do not work correctly) or can no longer be sanely > maintained -- removing a deprecated interface is a fairly extreme step and > should never

Re: [Wikitech-l] Taking suggestions for a template language syntax for our skin system

2011-09-11 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Daniel Friesen wrote: > Aye, there's absolutely no way HAML is going to fly with the majority of > people building skins. > Instead of "Why the hell do I have to insert all this junk just to make > my skin work right? I'm going back to WordPress." kind of issue we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Taking suggestions for a template language syntax for our skin system

2011-09-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Daniel Friesen wrote: > On 11-09-11 04:56 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: >> I'm curious what problem you're trying to solve.  It sounds like >> you're trying to get people who are currently working on Wordpress >> skins or Drupal skin

[Wikitech-l] Upcoming MediaWiki 1.18 deployment

2011-09-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, I just wanted to quickly highlight the plan that we have for deploying MediaWiki 1.18 to the Wikimedia sites: * Monday, September 19 (-20), 23:00-01:00 UTC (4pm-6pm PDT): MediaWiki 1.18 deployment to test2 * Wednesday, September 21 (-22), 23:00-03:00 UTC (4pm-8pm PDT): MediaWiki 1.18

[Wikitech-l] Please merge deployment changes into 1.17wmf1 and 1.18wmf1 now

2011-09-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, If you are someone who currently merges code into the 1.17wmf1 branch, this mail is for you: We need you to make sure that you merge your code into the 1.18wmf1 branch as well. That also means if you're deploying code and using syncfile to push individual files, you need to push from bot

Re: [Wikitech-l] Updates for EXIF rotated photos in trunk & 1.18

2011-09-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
Fantastic...thanks for jumping on this Brion! And Reedy, thanks for pushing this out! So, this code should be live on http://test2.wikipedia.org plstestkthxbai :) Rob On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > One of the long-awaited minor features that has finally come in durin

[Wikitech-l] Stage 1 of the 1.18 deployment done

2011-09-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Stage 1 of the MediaWiki 1.18 deployment is complete. We've deployed to the following wikis: * he.wikisource.org * mediawiki.org * simple.wikipedia.org * simple.wiktionary.org * strategy.wikimedia.org * usability.wikimedia.org The deployment had a few bumps (mainly problems wi

[Wikitech-l] Git migration planning

2011-09-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, For a long time, we've been talking about migrating from Subversion to Git. It's time to start getting more serious about it. First: the need to do this. There is pretty broad acceptance that we should move to a distributed version control system (DVCS). Our current Subversion-bas

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making developer access easier to get

2011-10-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Yaron Koren wrote: > I don't know whether this is WMF policy now, or a personal decision > from Sumana, or a decision made by someone else, but in any case I > don't understand it. It seems to me that there are two valid reasons > for not simply allowing everyone to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git migration planning

2011-10-05 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Merlijn van Deen wrote: > Currently, svn.wikimedia.org also hosts other repositories, most notably the > pywikipedia repository. Is the plan to keep svn.wikimedia.org and svn-based > code > review online after the switch, or will the pywikipedia repository also hav

[Wikitech-l] Bug 31424 - Anecdotal evidence of IE 8 problems

2011-10-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We need your help. We have a number of reports on the various village pumps, helpdesks, Twitter, and such that IE8 users are experiencing crashes merely by visiting our site. Here's the bug report: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31424 Given the frequency and diversi

[Wikitech-l] Welcome, Antoine Musso! (hashar)

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, A belated (re-)welcome to Antoine Musso (a.k.a. "hashar" on IRC) as a contractor working on continuous integration (e.g. beefing up our unit tests, improving our Jenkins configuration, figuring out how to integrate TestSwarm, etc). Antoine has been working in our community for quite

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