[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [MediaWiki-l] New version of "Working with MediaWiki" released

Forwarding. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Yaron Koren Date: Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:42 PM Subject: [MediaWiki-l] New version of "Working with MediaWiki" released To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Hi everyone, I'm

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Library" for sharing useful resources for learning technical topics

Hi Amir, This sounds like a good idea. For what it's worth, on Meta there is the Learning Patterns Library at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Learning_patterns. Perhaps a technical resource library could be integrated into the LPL, or a technical resource library could borrow ideas from the LPL.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Café online meeting for May 2020

你好,* A reminder that this month's Wikimedia Café will start 48 hours from now. This month's meetup will focus on the recently announced 2030 strategy recommendations. (See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations.) Mehrdad Pourzaki, who is the

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Etherpad upgrade and a new skin

Forwarding an announcement. Feedback can go to Alexandros, who may or may not be subscribed to a mailing list where you see this email, so if you have something to say on list you may also want to include Alexandros' email address in the to: field. (By the way, on one previous occasion I saw a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Café online meeting for May 2020

I remembered to adjust US Pacific time for DST but forgot to do the same for US Eastern time. The US Eastern time will be 12:30. Sorry about that. As you may have noticed, we are holding the UTC constant regardless of DST changes. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Café online meeting for May 2020

Hello colleagues, == Announcements for this month == The next Wikimedia Café meetup will occur on 30 May 2020 at 9:30 AM Pacific / 11:30 AM Eastern / 4:30 PM UTC / 10 PM IST. This month's meetup will focus on the recently announced 2030 strategy recommendations. See

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Feature from Community Tech: Enhanced Password Reset

Thank you. I'm short on good news at the moment, and this is nice to see. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Talk-us] OSM Foundation’s Call for Microgrant Applications

Forwarding. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Clifford Snow Date: Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 8:06 PM Subject: [Talk-us] OSM Foundation’s Call for Microgrant Applications To: talk-us In case you missed this announcement, I'm reposting

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Café - Sat 25 April 2020...

Forwarding to Wikitech-l. Sorry about the late notice this month. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Lane Rasberry Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:29 AM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Café - Sat 25 April 2020... To: Wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia Technical Talks] Understanding Wikimedia Maps and its challenges, 25 March 2020 at 5 PM UTC

num...@gmail.com> wrote: > There's not usually a compelling reason to put an hour-long talk > recording on Commons. I'm sure it could be arranged if there's a need > for it. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:56 PM Pine W wrote: > > > > Hi Sarah, > > > > Thanks

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia Technical Talks] Understanding Wikimedia Maps and its challenges, 25 March 2020 at 5 PM UTC

Hi Sarah, Thanks for sharing this announcement. Will the video also be published to Commons? Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 3:56 PM Sarah R wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just a reminder that we will be broadcasting this Technical Talk on *25 > March 2020 at

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Café - Sat 28 March 2020...

Hello, I'm forwarding an invitation to the Wikimedia Café meetup for this month. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Lane Rasberry Date: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:43 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Café - Sat 28 March 2020... To:

[Wikitech-l] Thank you for the reliability and performance of WMF technical infrastructure

Hello, This is a brief and very unofficial note to say thanks for what appears to be good reliability and performance of WMF's technical infrastructure during the current global public health environment and the swarms of contributing and reading activity on ENWP and elsewhere. My guess is that

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki API pageview issue

Hi James, I was aware of the first issue, but this is the first time that I can recall hearing about the second. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121912. You may want to ask your second question in that thread if no one responds to it here. Good luck, Pine (

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] Commons app Android... and iOS!

تريما کاسيه‎.* Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) * I think that this is Malay for "thank you". See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/terima_kasih. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] Reminder: Wikimedia Café online meeting for February 2020 with focus on the 2030 strategy

Hello colleagues, This is a reminder that this month's Wikimedia Café will start approximately 48 hours from now. -- Hello colleagues, The February 2020 Wikimedia Café meetup will occur on 15 February 2020 at 8:30 AM PST / 11:30 AM EST / 4:30 PM UTC / 10 PM IST. The date is earlier than usual

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] TIB Hannover searches for Semantic MediaWiki Engineer

Forwarding a job posting. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Hagemann-Wilholt, Stephanie Date: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 1:53 PM Subject: [Wiki-research-l] TIB Hannover searches for Semantic MediaWiki Engineer To: Dear colleagues,

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Café online meeting for January 2020 with focus on the 2030 strategy

Hello colleagues, The February 2020 Wikimedia Café meetup will occur on 15 February 2020 at 8:30 AM PST / 11:30 AM EST / 4:30 PM UTC / 10 PM IST. The date is earlier than usual in the month due to scheduling constraints. This month's meetup will focus on the 2030 strategy recommendations, and

[Wikitech-l] Comment regarding technical newsletters

Hello colleagues, I have a brief comment regarding technical newsletters. I have in mind Tech News and the Growth Team's update newsletters. I find these to be helpful and I appreciate the work that goes into writing them. Thank you to the people who work on these, including translators. Pine (

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [OSM-talk] W3C Maps on the Web workshop

Forwarding. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Rushforth, Peter (NRCan/RNCan) Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:46 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] W3C Maps on the Web workshop To: t...@openstreetmap.org Dear Open Street Map community, I

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] Commons Android app v2.12

Sounds good. Thanks for these updates, Josephine. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 12:55 PM Josephine Lim wrote: > > Hi all, > > We've just released v2.12 of the Commons app to production on the Play > Store[1]! :) This contains the legacy code overhaul

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Code-in 2019: Read what students worked on

Thanks for sharing, Andre. That's a nice list. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 2:35 PM Andre Klapper wrote: > > A few days ago, Google Code-in 2019 ended. > > 194 students completed 715 Wikimedia tasks.[1] > Big thanks and congratulations to everybody!

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Tool from Community Tech: Who Wrote That?

Cool. Thanks for sharing. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:50 PM Ilana Fried wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > I’m very excited to share a new tool created by the Community Tech team: > Who Wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] 14 January 2020 security incident on Phabricator

Thanks for the updates, transparency, and timely notifications. I hope that I didn't sound like I was trying to be a pest earlier in this thread. What may have been clear to people who are familiar with Phabricator 2FA was not clear to me at the time. Pine (

Re: [Wikitech-l] 14 January 2020 security incident on Phabricator

Grossmeier wrote: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 2:50 PM Pine W wrote: > > > Some of us use the same 2FA for Phabricator as for on wiki accounts. > Should > > the 2FA reset apply to all Wikimedia 2FAs that could be used for > > Phabricator, or only those that actually have been used

Re: [Wikitech-l] 14 January 2020 security incident on Phabricator

Hi David, Thanks for the information. Some of us use the same 2FA for Phabricator as for on wiki accounts. Should the 2FA reset apply to all Wikimedia 2FAs that could be used for Phabricator, or only those that actually have been used for Phabricator? Is there a public ticket that people can

Re: [Wikitech-l] Scrum of scrums/2020-01-08

Thanks for the updates, especially regarding the Desktop Improvements Project. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:21 PM Željko Filipin wrote: > Hi, > > for HTML version see > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Scrum_of_scrums/2020-01-08 > > Željko > > -- >

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Analytics] Introducing statistics for media files

Also forwarding to Research-l and Wikitech-l. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Francisco Dans Date: Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 5:52 PM Subject: [Analytics] Introducing statistics for media files To: A mailing list for the Analytics Team

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Café online meeting for January 2020. Note the schedule change.

in my previous email. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:56 PM Pine W wrote: > Hello Wikitech-l colleagues, > > I don't know how much interest there is on Wikitech-l regarding meeting > invitations for the Wikimedia Café, but I'm c

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Café online meeting for January 2020. Note the schedule change.

) -- Forwarded message - From: Pine W Date: Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:39 PM Subject: Wikimedia Café online meeting for January 2020. Note the schedule change. To: Wikimedia Mailing List Hello colleagues, The Wikimedia Café meetings have generally been well received. We had approximately

[Wikitech-l] WMDE job openings for a UX designer and a technical writer

FYI: 1. https://wikimedia-deutschland.softgarden.io/job/5681755/UX-Designer-Wikidata-Wikibase-m-f-d-?jobDbPVId=15549395=en 2. https://wikimedia-deutschland.softgarden.io/job/5681080/Technical-Writer-m-f-d-?jobDbPVId=15546960=en Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [AI] The WebConf (WWW 2020) Call for Papers (Demo Track)

Forwarding an announcement. For what it's worth, WMF is listed as a sponsor of the 2019 conference, and multiple conference tracks appear to be relevant to Wikiverse activities. However, announcements which include lofty adjectives such as "visionary" often give me pause due to the risk of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Math at the Wikimedia Technical Conference 2019

Thanks for sharing updates, physikerwelt. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:41 AM Physikerwelt wrote: > Dear all, > > a minor update on hyperlinks in formulae~[1]: > The demo on the beta cluster works quite well. > There is just one minor

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Café online meeting for December 2019

Hello colleagues, This is a reminder that the December 2019 Wikimedia Café meeting will start approximately one hour from now. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:50 PM Pine W wrote: > Hello colleagues, > > For the next Wikimedia Café onl

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Survey on data visualization for Wikipedia

Forwarding in case this is of interest to people on other mailing lists. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Jaqen Date: Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:52 AM Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Survey on data visualization for Wikipedia To: Research

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Café online meeting for December 2019

) -- Forwarded message - From: Pine W Date: Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:50 PM Subject: Wikimedia Café online meeting for December 2019 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Hello colleagues, For the next Wikimedia Café online video meeting, agenda items include: * Documentation for Wikitext

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] Several primary database masters switchovers scheduled (read-only required)

Thanks for the updates and for the short maintenance windows. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 5:13 AM Manuel Arostegui wrote: > Hello, > > s4 (commonswiki) was done: > > Read-only start: 05:00:51 > Read-only stop: 05:01:42 > Total read-only time: 51

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Wikimedia Foundation’s new CTO, Grant Ingersoll

Forwarding to Wikitech-l and MediaWiki-l. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Katherine Maher Date: Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 10:44 Subject: [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Wikimedia Foundation’s new CTO, Grant Ingersoll To:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia service interruptions; phab task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232224

1 > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 21:21, Vi to wrote: > > > We've been under a DDoS attack for more than two hours. > > > > Vito > > > > Il giorno ven 6 set 2019 alle ore 22:20 Pine W ha > > scritto: > > > > > Discussion in https://phabrica

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia service interruptions; phab task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232224

Discussion in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232224. I had trouble connecting to Phabricator also, so I'm guessing that IRC is a good alternate channel for communications. However, as usual, let's not all pile into IRC, email, and/or Phabricator and say "I'm having problems connecting to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct committee meeting at Wikimania

+1 on the thanks for the update. I have some ideas regarding modifications that I would like to propose to the CoC but I am already stretched among too many tasks, so I am holding these proposals. I do not want anarchy in technical spaces, and in general I think that having some version of a code

Re: [Wikitech-l] m1 (etherpad, bacula, librenms, rt, racktables) db primary master switchover: 10th Sept 16:00 UTC

Arostegui wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 3:50 PM Pine W wrote: > > > Yes, I tink that a banner would be preferable, but i think that a notice > on > > the homepage would be a reasonable backup option. > > > > > Thanks - Unfortunately I don't know if that is

Re: [Wikitech-l] m1 (etherpad, bacula, librenms, rt, racktables) db primary master switchover: 10th Sept 16:00 UTC

Yes, I tink that a banner would be preferable, but i think that a notice on the homepage would be a reasonable backup option. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 06:28 Manuel Arostegui wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 3:05 PM Pine W wrote: > >

Re: [Wikitech-l] m1 (etherpad, bacula, librenms, rt, racktables) db primary master switchover: 10th Sept 16:00 UTC

Hello, Does this mean that https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/ will be temporarily read only? That site seems to be somewhat popular for taking notes during meetings. If that site will be affected then I recommend that you put up a site notice there, possibly a multilingual one depending on how much

Re: [Wikitech-l] Skipcaptcha assigned to users coming from throttle-exempted IP addresses

next tech news, to notify about this change more widely than "just" on > wikitech-l. > > Martin > > pá 12. 7. 2019 v 0:05 odesílatel Pine W napsal: > > > Hi Martin, > > > > I'm not familiar with all of the information about how WMF currently uses > >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Skipcaptcha assigned to users coming from throttle-exempted IP addresses

Hi Martin, I'm not familiar with all of the information about how WMF currently uses CAPTCHAs, but I suggest being careful about doing anything that could add to the workloads of volunteer patrollers, admins, and checkusers. My feeling is that you should consult with people who are most likely to

Re: [Wikitech-l] 今週あなたを幸せにするものは何ですか？ / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 16 June 2019)

Hi Isarra and Gergo, Thanks very much for the feedback. I appreciate the suggestion about a poll. I have been reluctant to start a poll about this because I have several other issues that are occupying my mind at the moment, including WMF's relationship with the community/communities in general

Re: [Wikitech-l] 今週あなたを幸せにするものは何ですか？ / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 16 June 2019)

Hi, Thank you for the positive comments, Stephan and RhinosF1. I think that there is not a clear public majority opposed or in favor of continuing to have these threads on Wikitech-l in their current form. The relatively small number of people who commented suggests to me that most readers of

Re: [Wikitech-l] 今週あなたを幸せにするものは何ですか？ / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 16 June 2019)

Brian, Thanks for the civil comments. I think that language diversity valuable, and there is no requirement to post in English to this list. Although I appreciate the idea, I am unwilling to create a more narrowly focused version of these threads for Wikitech-l. Someone else might be willing to

Re: [Wikitech-l] 今週あなたを幸せにするものは何ですか？ / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 16 June 2019)

k. However, if a new consensus emerges in against having these threads on Wikitech-l, then I will abide by that consensus. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:45 AM Andre Klapper wrote: > On Wed, 2019-06-19 at 07:17 +, Pine W wrote: > > Whil

[Wikitech-l] 今週あなたを幸せにするものは何ですか？ / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 16 June 2019)

While browsing Japanese Wikipedia, I found this article with beautiful photos. Although I cannot read Japanese, my understanding from an automated translation is that the article describes the Tajima

Re: [Wikitech-l] Switching to elections for the Code of Conduct Committee?

Hi, I would like to address the proposal for Technical Code of Conduct Committee elections in general terms, without discussing specific incidents. When selecting candidates for powerful public bodies such as the Technical Code of Conduct Committee, I think that considerable public scrutiny is

[Wikitech-l] ¿Qué te hace feliz esta semana? / What's making you happy this week?

Hello colleagues, I hope that you feel welcome to add your own comments to this email thread. Your participation would be appreciated, including starting these threads in future weeks. I like this Commons

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wikidata] Scaling Wikidata Query Service

Forwarding in case this is of interest. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Guillaume Lederrey Date: Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 7:33 PM Subject: [Wikidata] Scaling Wikidata Query Service To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. Hello

[Wikitech-l] Quod facit beatus hic sabbati? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 2 June 2019)

As usual, I am grateful for the volunteer contributors to the most recent issue of The Signpost. I was happy to see that Wikimedia Canada and Library and Archives Canada

[Wikitech-l] Kedu ihe na-eme gị obi ụtọ n'izu a? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 26 May 2019)

I was happy to read this announcement by Amir regarding improvements for typing in African languages on Wikimedia projects. (I hope that the translation of the subject of this week's email is correct.) I thought that this

[Wikitech-l] Seni bu hafta ne mutlu ediyor? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 19 May 2019)

This week I would like to thank people who volunteer significant time and effort to hunt advertising, undisclosed conflict of interest editing, and sockpuppet accounts in the Wikiverse. I was reminded of these subjects by this email

Re: [Wikitech-l] Scrum of scrums/2019-05-22

Regarding the request for feedback on SoS meetings, for me these notes are frequently interesting and occasionally useful in their current form. I like having the placeholders for teams so that I can get a sense of what teams currently exist and how they are named. However, my guess is that these

Re: [Wikitech-l] planned Phabricator upgrade tomorrow

as sent > at > > 01:52 UTC on the 22nd. So tomorrow would refer to 00:00 on the 23rd. > > > > -- Lewis Cawte (Lcawte) > > > > On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 07:26, Pine W wrote: > > > > > Hi, thanks for the notice. Can you specify whether "tomorrow"

Re: [Wikitech-l] planned Phabricator upgrade tomorrow

Hi, thanks for the notice. Can you specify whether "tomorrow" refers to 22 May UTC or 23 May UTC, and how long the maintenance window is likely to be? Some of us may want to read or write a Phabricator complaint task during the maintenance window, and if we know when to expect Phabricator may be

[Wikitech-l] Qu'est-ce qui te rend heureuse cette semaine? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 12 May 2019)

I think that the mobile Suggested Edits feature and the related analysis are interesting. I am forwarding text from that discussion. Also, I was happy to see the recognition of two new user groups. They are the WikiClassics User Group and the Wikimédiens du Bénin User Group. What's making you

[Wikitech-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 5 May 2019)

I am trying to restart the "What's making you happy this week?" threads. I am grateful for the volunteers who are facilitating significant portions of the selection process for two WMF Board seats. Also, I

[Wikitech-l] Temporary personal break from mailing lists

Hi mailing list colleagues, I'm not sure whether I should make this be public, but I tend to be a frequent participant on mailing lists so maybe sharing this would be good. I am taking a temporary break from participating on Wikimedia mailing lists. Recently I am finding myself frequently

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 3:32 PM Nick Wilson (Quiddity) wrote: > Pine, > please see the exact (quite precise) definition of > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/technical_debt > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt > https://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebt.html > I.e. Technical debt is Not

[Wikitech-l] Comments and questions regarding VisualEditor, Citoid, and Parsoid

I'd like to say thanks to the folks who have been working on VisualEditor, Citoid, and Parsoid in the past few years. When I first started to work in 2015 on what I eventually called the LearnWiki project

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

:) Structured data exists regarding many other subjects such as books and magazines. I would think that a similar approach could be taken to technical debt. I realize that development tasks have properties and interactions that change over time, but I think that having a better quantitative

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:16 PM Gergő Tisza wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 3:01 PM Derk-Jan Hartman < > d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Last year has seen a lot of focus on Technical Debt. WMF also has a core > > platform team now, which finally allows a more sustainable chipping

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit outage

I'd like to give a quick thanks to folks who have been dealing with turbulence. I think that short term mitigation measures sound reasonable, while longer term improvements are planned and developed. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

Hi, First, I'll respond to Scott's comment that " A secondary issue is that too much wiki dev is done by WMF/WMFDE employees (IMO); I don't think the current percentages lead to an overall healthy open source community. But (again in my view) the first step to nurturing and growing our

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit outage

Thanks for the updates and for everyone who was or is working on a weekend day. Sometime in the next few weeks if you can publish an incident report that has any sensitive information redacted, I would like to read it. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Sat, Mar 16, 2019,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

Stas made a point that I was considering too, although from a different perspective. One of the issues may be a difference between end user expectations and what the resources are available to fulfill those expectations. Communications requires time and mental bandwidth, both of which are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community-Engineering gaps as defined in configuration

I believe that I've seen discussions of RC patrolling on ENWP too, although I can't recall specifics. I am not familiar with the original discussion, although my first guess is that the experienced patrollers were surprised and that the surprise factored into their opposition to the change.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

Hopefully I can say this in a way that is mutually acceptable. For me this discussion is difficult but enlightening. I think that this is the most difficult Wikimedia discussion in which I have been a participant so far this year. I don't know what agreements will emerge from this thread, if any.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

and that there are tasks in that backlog which I would like to see solved, but it's difficult to get a sense of the big picture. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 9:13 PM Andre Klapper wrote: > On Tue, 2019-03-12 at 20:34 +0000, Pine W wrote: > > > > 1

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

I'm going to make a few points that I think will respond to some comments that I've read, and I will try to organize some of my previous points so that they're easier to follow. 1. My impression is that there's agreement that there is a huge backlog. 2. I think that there's consensus that the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

This discussion touches on a number of my frustrations. If someone is in a bad mood then they might want to postpone reading my comments below. As far as I know, WMF wants to advertise itself as being a provider of infrastructure for fundraising purposes, and wants to exercise absolute power over

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Project Grants program will fund 20 community-led projects

Forwarding in case people are interested in seeing what was funded. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -- Forwarded message - From: Chris "Jethro" Schilling Date: Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:06 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Project Grants program will fund 20

Re: [Wikitech-l] Invitation to a "Wikimedia Café" casual online meetup

9, 2019 at 3:38 AM Pine W wrote: > Hi, > > For the next Wikimedia Café online meetup we will focus on the subject of > communications in the Wikiverse. What about communications is working well, > what is not working well, and what should be done to improve > communications? Thi

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Security Reviews Process

Hi Charlotte, Thanks for the announcement. I have a suggestion. Instead of inviting people to email questions about the process, you could encourage people to place questions on the talk page unless there is a reason for making a certain question be nonpublic. This would facilitate interaction

Re: [Wikitech-l] A potential new way to deal with spambots

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:13 PM bawolff wrote: > I actually meant a different type of maintenance. > > Maintaining the encyclopedia (and other wiki projects) is of course an > activity that needs software support. > > But software is also something that needs maintenance. Technology, >

Re: [Wikitech-l] A potential new way to deal with spambots

Since we're discussing how the Tech Wishlist works then I will comment on a few points specifically regarding that wishlist. 1. A gentle correction: the recommendations are ranked by vote, not by consensus. This has pros and cons. 2a. If memory serves me correctly, the wishlist process was

Re: [Wikitech-l] A potential new way to deal with spambots

Hi David, do you have a question? I saw the GIF but I don't know how to interpret it in the context of this conversation. Thanks, Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 5:49 AM David Barratt wrote: > http://gph.is/2lnp32Z >

Re: [Wikitech-l] A potential new way to deal with spambots

Thanks for the replies. I think that detailed discussion of the pros and cons of the Tech Wishlist should be separate from this thread, but I agree that one way to get a subject like unflagged bot detection addressed could be through the Tech Wishlist assuming that WMF is willing to devote

Re: [Wikitech-l] A potential new way to deal with spambots

is amusing, I am not amused by unwelcome bots causing problems on ENWP or anywhere else in the Wikiverse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lokKpSrNqDA Thanks, Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 1:40 PM Pine W OK. Yesterday I was looking with a few other ENWP

Re: [Wikitech-l] A potential new way to deal with spambots

that the question of how to decrease the numbers and effectiveness of unwelcome bots would be a good topic for WMF to research. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 9:24 PM Gergo Tisza wrote: > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Pine W wrote: > > > I do

Re: [Wikitech-l] Invitation to a "Wikimedia Café" casual online meetup

then please vote in the Doodle poll. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:15 PM Pine W wrote: > Hi folks, > > Based on comments that I received on Wikimedia-l, I would like to invite > people to a casual online meetup one hour before the monthly

[Wikitech-l] A potential new way to deal with spambots

This sounds like an interesting potential approach to deal with spambots, and hopefully to deter the people who make them. https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/05/kasada-bots/ I don't know how practical it would be to implement an approach like this in the Wikiverse, and whether licensing proprietary

Re: [Wikitech-l] Changes to the Block paradigm

Hello 80hnhtv4agou, I believe that any allegations of misconduct by admins or stewards should be addressed in a separate thread, and most likely not on Wikitech-l unless you a referring to an incident that happened in a location that focuses on technical matters such as Phabricator. In most cases

Re: [Wikitech-l] Invitation to a "Wikimedia Café" casual online meetup

Sorry, I started the meeting but the meeting ID number was wrong. I don't know how that happened. I think that this problem has been corrected, so if you were trying to connect, please try again. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 12:49 PM Pine W wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Gerrit now automatically adds reviewers

I'm glad that this problematic change to communications was reverted. I would like to suggest that this is the type of change that, when being planned, should get a design review from a third party before coding starts, should go through at least one RFC before coding starts, and be widely

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Gerrit now automatically adds reviewers

Although this change doesn't personally affect me because I'm not active on Gerrit, my reading of the situation is similar to Giuseppe's. Sending people potentially large numbers of automatic and unsolicited notifications is not something that I would generally support, and I would likely believe

Re: [Wikitech-l] s3 primary db master failover on Thursday 17th January 07:00 AM UTC

That was quick. Thanks for the speedy work, which I am guessing was helped by good planning. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 11:15 PM Manuel Arostegui wrote: > This was done. > Read only ON at: 07:01:00 > Read only OFF at: 07:04:20 > > Total time read

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2019-01-09 Scrum of Scrums meeting notes

benefit from reports like these, including people at WMF who might want to know what other teams are doing, but if no one else is interested then I'll try to go along with the status quo. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 8:04 PM Gergő Tisza wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2019-01-09 Scrum of Scrums meeting notes

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 9:31 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 20:25, Pine W wrote: > > > I would like to request that every Audiences and Technology team submit > > highlights of recent and upcoming activities for inclusion in every set > of > >

Re: [Wikitech-l] A difficult goodbye

Thank you for your service, Victoria. I'm glad that your next steps sound like they will be good for you professionally and will be at another organization that does public service. I've appreciated that you have been consistently responsive and polite in our interactions. I wish you the best on

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2019-01-09 Scrum of Scrums meeting notes

800, Pine W wrote: > > I would like to request that every Audiences and Technology team > > submit > > highlights of recent and upcoming activities for inclusion in every > > set of > > SoS notes, even if no one personally attends the SoS meeting from a > > part

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2019-01-09 Scrum of Scrums meeting notes

Hi, I think that I previously made this request and it went unanswered, so I am escalating this request to Toby who I believe reads at least some of these SoS notes. If someone else is better suited to answer authoritatively than Toby, or if someone else would like to share their thoughts

[Wikitech-l] Industry news: GitHub policy change for free private repos with up to 3 collaborators

Industry news that I think may interest some Wikimedians, particularly students and developers of small projects where privacy of code is a concern, but keep in mind that GitHub is now owned by Microsoft: https://blog.github.com/2019-01-07-new-year-new-github/ Pine (

Re: [Wikitech-l] Invitation to a "Wikimedia Café" casual online meetup

a reminder about this event, so please mark your calendars now if you want to attend. Thanks! Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 3:07 PM Pine W wrote: > Hi, > > The next "Wikimedia Café" meetup will be on Wednesday the 23rd of January, > on a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Invitation to a "Wikimedia Café" casual online meetup

ood place to ask questions or to discuss ideas, regarding Wikidata or other Wikimedia topics. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:15 PM Pine W wrote: > Hi folks, > > Based on comments that I received on Wikimedia-l, I would like to invite > people t

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