Forrest, the notion that some networks can't be sniffed was certainly given
some time back when and somewhat addressed - although more along the lines
of why on earth would you NOT have a single point of failure network?, as
if that's a good thing. I'd like to note that according to recent
I still don't get it. I really don't.
CALEA was designed for a telco network. It is simply NOT APPLICABLE in
design or function to a multi-homed IP network.
I keep hearing how so much time and effort was put into this... But I can
explain in plain, clear, and unmistakeable language to any
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From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association
Was:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over
I have a better idea. Explain how you do that.
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From: Forrest W Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change
This is what I don't get.
I reminded the OP that several ranking members of WISPA have declared
objecting to mandates as politics.
And, unless I have missed something, WISPA has NEVER officially objected to
a single thing the FCC has wanted or gotten or demanded, and if someone
suggests they
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From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:53 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was: Report: FCC to
PunishComcast Over
How so?
How does buying ownership in a publicly owned entity inflate the c ost of a
needed commodity?
obviously, there must be a marketplace to buy and sell commodities... And
those who sell, to those who buy, for purposes of buying and selling
commodities for use seems perfectly legitemate
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From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
If you buy a security,
If you have the money to buy - pay for in full - oil and wait until winter,
then what business is it of ours? Again, we're discussing OWNERSHIP here,
which is where I drew my line. As for this action, a lot of farmers and
homeowners fill their heating oil tanks at opportune times. I fail to
My experience selling broadband to rural dialup customers mirrors this.
I've found that in areas where I am the SOLE option, I get about 30 to 50%
take rates. I get about 75% of the 'net user. However, about 25% or so, of
those who use internet will remain on dialup and will not pay $10 more
You have a nearby consultant in www.wholesalesolar.com
I have bought equipment from them and consulted with them and found Mark to
be better than excellent.
I have no business relationship to them other than being an occaisional
customer.
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It does mine.
Inflating the price of a needed commodity - that is, increasing it with no
added value - is unethical, in my estimation.
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From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
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From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
I do not think we should
I know that a certain number of us ARE going to build a network for the sole
purpose of suckering...errr, selling it to someone else.
Now, I have severe ethical disagreements with this notion. It reminds me
of flipping houses or speculative oil investing, perhaps?
Now, to build a business
I am reminded of a short story I read many years ago. A salesman for farm
equipment was out calling on customers in middle America and following his
directions found himself turning off the maintained county road into a side
road and was immediately confronted with a wide, very deeply rutted,
That's nice, but in real life the FCC has simply gotten on a tear and
decided that NOTHING qualifies for what they want.
I have no idea what the purpose of this rather odd bit of nonsense is about,
but when it declares that 802.11 does not detect dissimilar systems, then
nothing can EVER be
The energy level for backoff CAN be adjusted.
The FCC says that NEITHER is acceptable, and even though the atheros
mechanism is just an energy detection, it will not be allowed. This is
what I gathered from an assortment of emails on the topic, some of which
were from the FCC to someone
The problem, here Tony, is that the MAC's and PHY that accomlishes this kind
of performance isn't built into chipsets that are mass produced like
consumer chipsets are. Even I'm going to end up with Atheros based 3.6 ghz
products, because nothing else currently makes any sense at all, dollar
Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K per
AP and 800 per CPE.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM
I have been using one since June of 2004.
I had the controller board fail about a year and a half ago, and ended up
replacing it 3 times. The first replacement didn't work. The second one
worked briefly, the third one was improperly assembled and caused the
brushes to stop working and
This is really confusing, George. WISPA's self described job is to lobby
the FCC and regulators.
When it's suggested WISPA should provide statements in opposition to bad
things they want to do, you say it's politics.
If it's politics to say that this industry should defend itself from excess
Guess who doesn't really believe in Free Speech.
I get ripped here endlessly because I talk about how WE should stand up for
responsibility, our own economic and business liberty and here's a good
example.
Shall WISPA, et al, write position papers on how to block usenet groups, or
should we
Actually, we need a little more information to answer this...
Is this for a hot spot?
Is this for fixed service?
Is this for a mobile (clients in a park, for instance) service?
Star-OS recently added an upper and lower limiter to radio sensitivity. In
point to point links, you can bracket
Marlon, I have been using Star-OS since the beginning here. Means four
years of using it.
It is the fastest, easiest, and best performing of anything I've tried.
They're so right about not bridging, but if you need any assistance, give me
a shout. It's not even that far if you want a hands
The FCC wants to put you out of business by getting someone to provide
internet for free to your customers.
With FRIENDS like that, who needs enemies?
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From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA
I've been in contact with UBNT for some time.The modular approval
specifies the antenna to be used, and it is, according to both the FCC (
email from the FCC in response to an inquiry ) and UBNT entirely legal to
use with any OS that properly operates the card.
So, yes you can grow your
Yes.
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From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 XR3 locations (was: Rapid Link Launches WiMax)
Approval by getting your FCC cert ID means it qualifies, period.
And yes, 802.11 is contention based but the FCC refuses to allow 802.11 to
be approved for the full spectrum until some 802.something standard is
finalized.
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What does this have to do with militia?This is plain old business
sense talking. There's a very observable business history, and we're all
businessmen. Nothing I've said is in any way strange or even not well
known. I'd just like to know what on earth people think they're going to
get
That last part about being full regulated should be fought to our last
breath.It's our only means of survival.
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From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent:
You make my case for me.
If ISP's become fully regulated there will only be the telcos.
Thanks for agreeing.
Our survival DEPENDS on not being 'regulated'.
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From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
That's really a non-response to the issue.
As a WISP, I travel the public roads, does this make me a regulated
industry? Of course not. I am still bound by the rules of the road,
however.
But just driving the public highway does not obligate me to buy a car for
the cop when his breaks, out
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From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC changes
With the mergers of Cingular and ATT and Nextel and Sprint, roughly half
of
all cell phone users in the U.S.
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From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC changes
I think that the FCC has a bona fide reason for
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From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC changes
Travis,
I agree wholeheartedly that a customer
Did we learn nothing from my last outburst?We can't say the FCC is
overstepping it's bounds, that's just radical conspiracy style politics,
remember?
And if we tell the FCC it has overstepped it's bounds, the poor souls we
send to DC will just be twisting in the wind, red-faced at our
Is anyone on this list operating in the Oshkosh, WI area?
I may be interested in connectivety for an event in 09 - approximately 15
days.
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WISPA Wants
My last word from Johnny about 2 weeks ago was that he had gotten into a
Shrimp boat was about to start a fishing career?
If you knew him It wouldn't really seem strange...
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From: Jim Patient [EMAIL
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From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
This is FUNNY - Where is Rick
Yeah, I learned that even Kurt can get a LOT dumber by consuming alcohol
And then trying to talk on the cell phone
Oh, and NEVER give Johnny the keys to the rental jeep. At least not if
there's mud around...
HAHAHAHAHAH
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I have only t ried one or two of the 2.4 only cards, but they worked just
fine.
I have, however, used a ton of the AG p23 cards and aside from the rare one
going deaf, I've not seen that.
Biggest reason for them to fail to associate in star-os for me, is that I
failed to set the distance...
A little more information might be in order...
Did this domain exist before?Did it lapse and then get re-registered?
I had this happen to me, a client wanted a domain, which I obtained for him,
and set up his email addresses, which were instantly spammed. And, spammed
by a huge array of
Below.
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From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach
Hold
I'm trying to. Still waiting for certified radios to arrive. Promised
last week, but delayed...
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From: Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008
Hi John.
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From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach
I
This reminds me, someone is out there, somewhere, who is anonymously saying
that 3650 can be used without a license...
How does that stuff get started?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
They have EVERY FREAKING CHOICE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD.
They could hire a research company to physically find out and map it. they
could poll the public and extrapolate. They could do ANY number of things
that are NOT invasive to my business, my time, and my money.
And instead of filing
I'm curious to know WISPA's official position on this is.
Looking back in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but the
only way this information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are required
to determine the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of the
census unit
Sigh.
I am in an industry filled with jellyfish.
It is unbelievably depressing.
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- Original Message -
From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:37 PM
Im going to repost a response I made privately, leaving off the other
person... I want to be clear what's really bothering me lately.
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Maybe I should be more clear. I fail to see why I should have to conduct
even 1 minute's free labor... The results of which are going to result
I kinda think that the news about municipal operatoins would provide
reasonable evidence why public provision of such is is SUCH a bad idea...
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From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General
There's a couple of nicely elegant options here... One is that you NAT only
at your core point(s), and at that point you do a 1:1 IP translation. You
can then choose who has direct IP connection and who doesn't at your core
points, without any additional routing. For those who don't, you
My customers on average consume about 5 gigs each.
I suspect 10% use about 75% of the traffic.
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- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:23 PM
How many people have licenses and how are you using 3.65ghz?
backhauls, as ptmp, or a mixture...
Or, have you not found a way to use it yet?
M
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My apologies for mis-titling a posting.
Again, the question, in the right thread name :(
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Plesk
How many people have licenses and how are you using 3.65ghz?
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