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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
I have a small wimax deployment with 20 subs and 130 phone lines and I
wouldn't change a thing. All business customers with very high quality
voip. I section all the voip traffic out with ugs and leave the
Internet as best effort
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www.wavelinc.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
I have a small wimax deployment
] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
anyone know the benefits of WiMax?
I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there
are a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than
simple polling or tdma approaches.
After working some years in a WiMAX operator I couldn't agree
We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are
tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business,
so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the
802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5
GHz
I think the new motorola is mimo.
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On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks
are
tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP
business,
so we are taking matters into
: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks
are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP
business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
I think the new motorola is mimo.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7
far.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
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I
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
I think the new motorola is mimo.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
We don't know about you, but we
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boun...@wispa.org] On
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I think the new motorola is mimo.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
We don't
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Subchannelization should help penetration a little also.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com
...@apertonet.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but
again we default to the but at what cost question. We believe this to
be especially true in more
Yes, we support PPPoE.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:44 AM
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Do
[mailto:wireless-
boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
I think the new motorola is mimo.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
We don't
General List
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Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that. More
complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:33 PM
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802.11 and its MIMO costs are not relevant to WiMAX and its MIMO costs.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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, March 18, 2010 9:17 AM
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Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that. More
complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics
In my limited toe-dipping into 802.16d (fixed) wimax, the biggest
challenge I see is with the EMS-based control. It's just a completely
different model than what we're doing with all-in-one AP's now. I don't
yet completely understand how it works, but it concerns me a bit that
each company
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:04 AM
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They don't support PPPoE, at least not in anything but the indoor unit
which isn't available for 3.65 or 802.16D.
I didn't think Aperto's gear which is 802.16d supports MIMO either,
that's
: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Subchannelization should help penetration a little also.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
What UBNT has shown is that one can go inexpensive
for everyone.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:00 AM
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Why would
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
What UBNT has shown is that one can go inexpensive alternatives and make them
good products.
The equivalent in WiMAX is PureWave Networks; their base station can do MIMO
and beamforming and doesn't require an ASN-GW, which was the higher CAPEX
18, 2010 12:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Apples to oranges. If you don't care about QoS and are happy with a best
effort service offering with limited ability to do things like voice and
video, the .11 stuff is fine. I appreciate it fits
misunderstanding when I see it.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
I have to admit if MIMO is made available in the 3.65 range I'm going to
use it in my city. I've been catering to my rural customers because 2.4
and 5GHZ isn't clogged out there. We already have a 3.65 license but
haven't deployed it yet, I anxiously await the MIMO gear on that frequency.
Can someone clarify, is the Motorola 320 MIMO out of the box? Is it two
(or more) antennas in the same polarity?
Randy
On 3/18/2010 1:23 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
I have to admit if MIMO is made available in the 3.65 range I'm going to
use it in my city. I've been catering to my rural
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
What you call a total myth (CPE x basestation interopoerability) is
something that I actually tested in the field with 3.5 GHz .16e, which is
not as popular as 2.3/2.5 WiBro/Clearwire/Yota frequencies.
If Aperto has such interoperability issues, please
In the Motorola 320, the AP as 2 TX and 2 RX. The SM's have 2 TX and 1
RX. It will operate at MIMO Matrix B if optimal signal can be achieved.
Otherwise it operates at MIMO A.
-Eric
On 3/18/2010 2:39 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
Can someone clarify, is the Motorola 320 MIMO out of the box? Is it
Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
What you call a total myth (CPE x
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:
For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's
on your list of things you don't want?
An ASN gateway sits between the Radio Access Network (where there are
only tunnels from the base station to the
Sm has 2 rx 1 tx
Sent from my Motorola Startac...
On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com
wrote:
In the Motorola 320, the AP as 2 TX and 2 RX. The SM's have 2 TX and 1
RX. It will operate at MIMO Matrix B if optimal signal can be
achieved.
Otherwise it operates
Thanks. Now, on the Motorola 320, for example, the ASN gateway is not
part of the picture, correct?
On 3/18/2010 1:59 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com wrote:
For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's
You are correct. Thanks for the clarification.
-Eric
On 3/18/2010 2:58 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Sm has 2 rx 1 tx
Sent from my Motorola Startac...
On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Eric Muehleisenericm...@gmail.com
wrote:
In the Motorola 320, the AP as 2 TX and 2 RX. The SM's have 2 TX
Correct. No ASN. Service flows and classifications are set directly in
the AP. Radius is built into the SM. It's fully L3 routeable. Currently
no L2 functionality.
-Eric
On 3/18/2010 3:11 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
Thanks. Now, on the Motorola 320, for example, the ASN gateway is not
part of
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:
Thanks. Now, on the Motorola 320, for example, the ASN gateway is not
part of the picture, correct?
According ot its specs, no ASN gateway is required:
Low Cost Infrastructure The CAP 320 does not require ASN gateways or
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
What you call a total myth (CPE x basestation interopoerability) is something
I think I saw an ad here for Aperto or AirSpan or some other vendor who
had 3.65 GHz gear with $200 SMs for life if you bought a particular
package. If the company who sent that could re-send it to me off-list,
or if it was on another list and someone here knows what I am talking
about and can
Here is what I got
Hi folks,
We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are
tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business,
so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the
802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to
Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ?
I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except
higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go as far...
I could be wrong - guess its time for an education
anyone know the benefits of WiMax?
What I really want are non
to
egg on New Years
Jerry
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ?
I
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 21:07 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote:
Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ?
Sold on...not me. Recognize that there ARE some benefits...YES!
I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except
higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go
well put
kinda where we are - it makes sense perhaps in some places just not
convinced ours is one of them
... yet ...
:-)
On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 21:07 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote:
Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ?
Sold on...not me.
anyone know the benefits of WiMax?
I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there are
a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than simple
polling or tdma approaches.
After working some years in a WiMAX operator I couldn't agree more
with Butch. The
I have a small wimax deployment with 20 subs and 130 phone lines and I
wouldn't change a thing. All business customers with very high quality
voip. I section all the voip traffic out with ugs and leave the
Internet as best effort to guarantee service levels. All my subs can
easily get 5-6
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