Are there no boat races going on or what, this is the most I've heard out of
the Kunze for a couple of years it seems. Did your number change ?
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From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
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If you use QOS then they are not using the internet the way they choose.
They want it wide open. Besides, this is not about choice. In my scenario,
they still have a choice. If people understood how a network works then they
would glad to do as I say. For instance, what if there were no traffic
I'm not sure my argument is the same as theirs but actually that's my point.
Currently, I cant allow certain applications such as PTP due to lack of
network and billing inefficiencies. In my scenario, you would be able to run
any application but there will be a cost associated with it. As far as
A bit off topic...
For instance, what if there were no traffic lights or laws such as speed
limits and those that keep slower traffic in the right lane? The roads would
be a mess!
Try living in Buenas Airesmost intersections have no stop signs or
lights and the ones that do rarely get paid
At 10:37 AM 3/29/2011, you wrote:
Wow that would be cool. Now just to find a device which can split
all that out easily and maintain accounting.
I have this all automatically controlled with a Packeteer. Eight
levels of priority with on the fly per packet control, partitioning
of bandwidth,
At 08:53 PM 3/29/2011, you wrote:
try to keep everything fair but my customers feel like they should
be able to use their Internet in any way they choose.
That's what EVERYONE wants to believe, but the obvious fact is that
there is no such thing as unlimited, and there never has
been. I've
On 03/30/2011 11:31 AM, Rick Kunze wrote:
The shared model works very well for 90% of the people. I sell both,
and everything in between. But rarely does anyone find dedicated
bandwidth to be a better solution for them. About the only time I
sell it is when the order comes from higher up.
I'm referring to bandwidth, as opposed to method of delivery.
Rk
At 08:36 AM 3/30/2011, you wrote:
On 03/30/2011 11:31 AM, Rick Kunze wrote:
The shared model works very well for 90% of the people. I sell both,
and everything in between. But rarely does anyone find dedicated
bandwidth
Rick, Thats great! The real trick is can you prioritize AND bill
accordingly?
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com wrote:
At 10:37 AM 3/29/2011, you wrote:
Wow that would be cool. Now just to find a device which can split
all that out easily and maintain
At 3/29/2011 11:15 PM, RickG wrote:
Fred, I respectfully disagree.
I'm glad to see that we have a good discussion going here, and it's
not a flamefest or anything.
First off, applications being run on my network ARE my business.
Many apps can have detrimental effect on it and therefore I
It's been a lengthy learning curve, I've been forming this mechanism
since around 2001 but it all works very well now. I use 5 levels of
priority for customers, Level 0 through Level 4. Level 5 is for
special use when needed and 6 is infrastructure equipment. Level 7
(top level) is reserved
Flamefests accomplish nothing! I agree with what you say below and at this
point not sure what else I can add. Making it happen is what I want to see.
I may be wrong but I truly beleive proper UBB it's the only way to true QOS
on the internet, especially as applications continue to grow and become
It sounds like it has improved somewhat from when I was using the Allot box
back in '97. It would be nice if there was more automation in the process.
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com wrote:
It's been a lengthy learning curve, I've been forming this mechanism
awesome! Let's all put data caps in...
On 3/29/2011 8:26 AM, Matt wrote:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars
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I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman here in the
US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the Jackass 3
movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers get rid of
bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.
On 03/29/2011 11:26 AM,
cleaning watch? Do you mean cleaning while watching?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote:
I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman here in
I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman here in the
US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the Jackass 3
movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers get rid of
bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.
Unfortunately I fear
yeah...didn't proof well enough...cleanly watch is what I meant.
On 03/29/2011 11:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
cleaning watch? Do you mean cleaning while watching?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM,
I still say there needs to be more than just caps. There needs to be a
matrix of billing by priority such as video at .03/meg, file transfer at
.02, email at .01, etc. Heck, perhaps HD can be .05 and SD at .03? (Prices
are just for arguments sake)
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Bret Clark
Wow that would be cool. Now just to find a device which can split all that
out easily and maintain accounting.
Cameron
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:20 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
I still say there needs to be more than just caps. There needs to be a
matrix of billing by priority such
At 3/29/2011 01:20 PM, RickG wrote:
I still say there needs to be more than just caps. There needs to be
a matrix of billing by priority such as video at .03/meg, file
transfer at .02, email at .01, etc. Heck, perhaps HD can be .05 and
SD at .03? (Prices are just for arguments sake)
Well,
Fred, I respectfully disagree. First off, applications being run on my
network ARE my business. Many apps can have detrimental effect on it and
therefore I have a right and responsibility to say what can run on it.
Secondly, priority bits simply cost more to provide and tax the network more
than
I think alot of what your talking about is going to be market driven. Right now
none of my competition uses caps on their business customers and neither can I.
I use QOS and wimax to try to keep everything fair but my customers feel like
they should be able to use their Internet in any way
Rick,
Be-careful when going down this road... this is slippery slopes...
This is the exact argument used by the ILEC's / and Cable Co's to keep
folks like you and me to connect to their networks.
The one attribute of the Internet has been 'no one is going to mess with
the apps running on
You guys should have come to the Orlando Meeting..
There was a fellow from Texas, operating a very large WISP (last day
session panel on Netflix) Chuck Hogg can u possible get his presentation
copy for all of us ?
It was the best business case presentation of long term usage trends and
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