RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife)

[Mike Bushard Jr]

I would never send a guy up a tower more than 60' without being certified.
http://www.comtrainusa.com/IndividualTraining/Individual.htm

Is what I my partner and I took, we saw a priceless value on the rescue
alone. I would highly recommend it. It's pretty tuff to learn from mistakes
when you don't get a second chance.

Mike Bushard Jr
Reliable Internet Services
1st Rate Computers
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save
mylife)

To be completely honest.  Only if it's free.  Otherwise, I'll stay tied 
off 100% of the time and not let anyone stand below me.  From there, 
I'll just pick up pointers as I go along and use common sense (something 
no class can teach me).

A. Huppenthal wrote:

> How about a training seminar for climbing - OSHA safe.
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>> Actually, I already own it.  Bill Curd sold me his extra one 2 weeks 
>> ago.
>>
>> George wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey order the one with the aluminum bar seat in it.
>>> It's only like 20 dollars more, and it's a lot more comfortable to 
>>> be on a tower in.
>>>
>>> http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10193
>>>
>>> I just got one for my guy and hey says it's way more comfortable 
>>> than the other one and he can spend more time on a tower.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>>>
 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

> last chance.  I am ordering.  Well, it's been 3 yearsbut it's 
> time for a harness.  Up until now I only climbed grain legs.  I am 
> going to go up a 90ft Rohn 25g style tower.  It there anything 
> else I need.






 Yeah...How about some training???




> Can I get some links to the rope and pulleys ya'll use?
>
>
>
>
>
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10234&-session=
midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 
>
>
>
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241&-session=
midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 
>
>
>
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10511&-session=
midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 
>
>
> http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192
>


>>>
>
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RE: [WISPA] General Views on Wireless...

[Mike Bushard Jr]

I have a theory on why “wireless”
is viewed as unreliable:

 

Back in the day, when everyone and their
brother was installing satellite TV, most of these dish’s were not
aligned properly causing rain fade or poor reception on cloudy days.

Your cell phone only works about 80% of
the time, if you’re lucky.

 

People figured out that their neighbor,
who has cable doesn’t see the same issues as they did with satellite.

They know that their land line telephone
very rarely gets static like their cell phone does, nor does it rarely not
work.

 

So here we are selling wireless, I get a call
at least every week asking if we work during a storm or if it will fade in and
out. This is where I educate them, simply saying we are a fixed wireless
provider, not mobile like their cell phone, if you have good signal in a given
spot it will stay that way unless you move. I also tell them that we go a max
of 11 miles, not 24,000 like satellite does. 

 

We also have the fly by night guys to deal
with, who look wireless and see a “easy” way to make money and have
no idea what is all involved. I sure didn’t when I started, then my
partner, the guy with the RF knowledge, left for the army. I was a server and
wired network guy. I knew precisely jack about how wireless worked, and I still
have a long way to go.

 

I believe we can change the publics view
on WISP’s, but it will not be easy. I don’t know how yet, other
than to provide the customers we can convince with the best possible service
and reliability record possible in hopes that they tell people they know about
us. A testimonial from friends is the best way I think. A network certification
would help maybe, if a customer was moving and saw another WISP that had the
same cert as the one they used to have, but for a customer to just buy my
service because of a piece of paper and a fancy logo, I doubt it.

 

My thoughts, rip them apart as you wish.

 



Mike Bushard Jr

Reliable Internet Services

1st Rate Computers











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on Wireless...



 



I've always found the same feelings out in the
public. Perhaps a quality standard (and award) should be defined
for our industry?





That said, I also find most of the issues are interference related ;(
 





On 8/16/05, Rick
Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 


Look at what people are saying in everyday conversation on isp-clec.


"It's been several years since I tried to overcome these issues but I
don't see where they have changed one bit. So in our area you have 4 choices
for internet; wireless (lacks dependability), cable, satellite and Qwest (or a
Qwest reseller). Just what the commissioner meant when he said we have real
competition..." 

I replied with the fact that in 3 years, Sprint DSL has been down in our area
for 2 weeks...while we've had a total of 1 or 2 days...

Still, this perception HAS to change... I imagine only a massive marketing
campaign from a telco would be ABLE to change it... 

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Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

[Brian Rohrbacher]

To be completely honest.  Only if it's free.  Otherwise, I'll stay tied 
off 100% of the time and not let anyone stand below me.  From there, 
I'll just pick up pointers as I go along and use common sense (something 
no class can teach me).


A. Huppenthal wrote:


How about a training seminar for climbing - OSHA safe.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

Actually, I already own it.  Bill Curd sold me his extra one 2 weeks 
ago.


George wrote:



Hey order the one with the aluminum bar seat in it.
It's only like 20 dollars more, and it's a lot more comfortable to 
be on a tower in.


http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10193

I just got one for my guy and hey says it's way more comfortable 
than the other one and he can spend more time on a tower.


George


Bob Moldashel wrote:


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

last chance.  I am ordering.  Well, it's been 3 yearsbut it's 
time for a harness.  Up until now I only climbed grain legs.  I am 
going to go up a 90ft Rohn 25g style tower.  It there anything 
else I need.







Yeah...How about some training???





Can I get some links to the rope and pulleys ya'll use?




http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10234&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10511&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192









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Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

[A. Huppenthal]

How about a training seminar for climbing - OSHA safe.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


Actually, I already own it.  Bill Curd sold me his extra one 2 weeks ago.

George wrote:



Hey order the one with the aluminum bar seat in it.
It's only like 20 dollars more, and it's a lot more comfortable to be 
on a tower in.


http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10193

I just got one for my guy and hey says it's way more comfortable than 
the other one and he can spend more time on a tower.


George


Bob Moldashel wrote:


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

last chance.  I am ordering.  Well, it's been 3 yearsbut it's 
time for a harness.  Up until now I only climbed grain legs.  I am 
going to go up a 90ft Rohn 25g style tower.  It there anything else 
I need.






Yeah...How about some training???





Can I get some links to the rope and pulleys ya'll use?




http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10234&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10511&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192








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Re: [WISPA] General Views on Wireless...

[RickG]

I've always found the same feelings out in the public. Perhaps a quality standard (and award) should be defined for our industry?
That said, I also find most of the issues are interference related ;( 
On 8/16/05, Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Look at what people are saying in everyday conversation on isp-clec."It's been several years since I tried to overcome these issues but I don't see where they have changed one bit. So in our area you have 4 choices for internet; wireless (lacks dependability), cable, satellite and Qwest (or a Qwest reseller). Just what the commissioner meant when he said we have real competition..."
I replied with the fact that in 3 years, Sprint DSL has been down in our area for 2 weeks...while we've had a total of 1 or 2 days...Still, this perception HAS to change... I imagine only a massive marketing campaign from a telco would be ABLE to change it...
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Re: Autoreply: Re: [WISPA] Trade SHows

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Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Yes.  After we click on the providers "bubble" link it to a radio
mobile map with a legend so they can do a "self site survey" before
they call you.  Or link it to your map with your coverage circles on
it.  I like this.  Now all I have to do is get this guy  
http://www.wirelessmapping.com/  to make me a good map that I can link
to.  I hear he's good.


Disclaimer:  I am not associated with http://www.wirelessmapping.com/
but am waiting for the email offering me free maps because of the great
plug I did.  (hint hint)  :)






Or a button that says, "Show other
sites by this provider".
 
 
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



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Re: [WISPA] VOIP

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Now that we're all so inspired (not sarcastic).  Join WISPA.  That is a
great way to support WISPs.  Make OUR voice louder.  Join WISPA.

Brian

Jon Price wrote:

  Marlon, please don't take anything I said personally bud - it wasn't
directed at you or anyone specifically. I've always said that you are a
great guy, you give a ton of great, practical, free advice. That's nothing
short of inspiring. We all have to share and give more back to your industry
than what we take in order to help it grow along with our business. I get
frustrated when I read things that run counter to this thinking though and
that prozac 'n jack cocktail just isn't enough.;-)

So the jab was at the concept of not going to shows because someone knows
everything, there's nothing left to learn and ironically the money is so
tight that a free hall pass is the only thing that's mildly justifiable.

If anything, that's the best reason to go to any show, join a newsgroup or
association: help everyone else around you learn (competitor or not). The
world and the industry are a better place even if our competitors are more
intelligent, professional and successful. The worst competitors are ignorant
spectrum hogs and fools who come to town, sign everyone up by undercutting
you and then flame out after delivering poor, unreliable services. That's
bad for them, you, me and most importantly the WISP industry and our image
as a whole. Same can be said for Associations and the zillions of trade
shows in our industry, so it's important for these things to exist and keep
driving to raise the bar. We can't make everyone smart, ethical and
professional, but we can have a positive impact and strive to create/raise
the standards for everyone. 

I can (all too painfully well) understand the financial strains in the early
phase of any business. We're a 4 person company that operates entirely on
cash flow. I go through the same justification process for events, travel or
any other expense. Every business needs to consider the long and short term
interests and balance those things. I'm not advocating that every spare dime
should be spent attending trade shows or joining every association out there
either.

I said this to John when I sent the suggestions for WISPA's event/media
partnership policy: small doesn't have to equal unprofitable - that's the
distinction we all need to make. Ideally we'd all figure out how to run
efficient, pocket sized, easy-to-manage businesses that are insanely
profitable and valuable regardless of their size. So let's get over the fact
that we're small and figure out how to help each other become the profitable
and professional businesses (large or small) that we all can and should be.
Otherwise we should go fire up that tractor or dusty resume again.  

There's no reason why everyone has to remain permanently locked in
"fledgling" mode. There are ways to break that cycle that we've got to help
each other find or we'll need much more than this lightweight prozac stuff.
I want to see us all break out of that cycle sooner than later and identify
the paths that others can take to flourish as an industry. This is, as
Michael Gerber says "working ON your business rather than IN it". Largely,
we've got an industry of "technicians-turned-entrepreneur" that are
overwhelmed with working IN our businesses. That's not a business, it's a
job and if you are like me, the boss is a total PITA. 

This isn't about making my shows a fit for WISPA or promoting my conference
over someone else's. They all help in one way or another and have their
place for each person's specific needs. VoIP could be a total waste of time
for your market, but huge for people in other market conditions - doesn't
make it good or bad, but we've got to help each other make those major
distinctions rather than simultaneously lumbering through the process in our
own vacuums.

Newsgroups, Associations, Trade Shows, Magazines, Radio Shows,
whatever...they are all part of getting there, no matter which ones you are
involved with. Imho, the key (which was the rambling point I was trying to
make in the last message) is to be part of the industry and avoid
lowballing, freeloading and using everyone around you - it's bad for the
industry and our image. To contribute and support these things that are part
of your industry and extract value only AFTER you've contributed an equal or
greater amount is the idea. That is the only way we can all succeed. If
anything Marlon, you are a perfect example of someone who does just that -
so if you haven't heard it lately, THANK YOU!

So who here is going step up and help Marlon master his customer acquisition
costs? Anyone?
jp


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP

Hiya Jon,

Glad to see you are finally off of that Prozac stuff!  grin

I'll step (no

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Actually, I already own it.  Bill Curd sold me his extra one 2 weeks ago.

George wrote:



Hey order the one with the aluminum bar seat in it.
It's only like 20 dollars more, and it's a lot more comfortable to be 
on a tower in.


http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10193

I just got one for my guy and hey says it's way more comfortable than 
the other one and he can spend more time on a tower.


George


Bob Moldashel wrote:


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

last chance.  I am ordering.  Well, it's been 3 yearsbut it's 
time for a harness.  Up until now I only climbed grain legs.  I am 
going to go up a 90ft Rohn 25g style tower.  It there anything else 
I need.





Yeah...How about some training???





Can I get some links to the rope and pulleys ya'll use?




http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10234&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10511&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192







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Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree

[Tom DeReggi]

Or a button that says, "Show other sites by this 
provider".
 
 
Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robert Kim 
  Wireless Internet Advisor 
  To: WISPA General List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:42 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i 
  agree
  
  Scott.. that makes sense.. i think what we will do is have a button next 
  to the CITY/ZIP filters that say, "SHOW SURROUNDING Wireless Internet Service 
  Providers"
   
  that will make sure the map is more useful... thoughts?
   
  John, can we do this??? 
  On 8/16/05, Scott 
  Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  Some are typists, some are clickers.  Clickers don't type.  
Not too hard to click on a state, click on a city and be close to 
home.  Just need to be able to see the WISPs that are in town. I 
realize that you have drop downs for the cities, but as someone mentioned 
before, if I list my WISP as Richmond, then people in Webster, Williamsburg, 
Fountain City, Whitewater, Middlebourogh, Boston, Centerville, Mineral 
Springs, Cambridge City, Penville, Milton, Hagerstown, Greensfork, ... may 
not find me.  And that is in a 10 to 15 mile circle.  If they 
click on their town and get a 25 mile map with markers, they found me.  
If they put in their own zip, they may not find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net 
-- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: WISPA General List , 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:23:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. 
i agree > John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the 
Fieldmapping issue... >   >   > Tom, Scott,, 
ok.. i see now... yes.. i agree... >   > well... we do 
have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that the user doesnt 
have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya  :o) >   
> currently our map has this data > http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg 
> but since the DB ties are not done yet... > http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg 
>   > is what you'll get till we are done... > 
  > working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have 
too >   > On 8/16/05, Scott Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
Which is what my original post was about as well.  I do not 
  have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon.  It 
  is a pain for the potential customer.  I always tell the programmers 
  that have worked for me, "I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be 
  easy for the user".  Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me 
  to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work 
  to find me. > > Scott Reed > Owner > 
  NewWays > Wireless Networking > Network Design, Installation 
  and Administration > www.nwwnet.net > 
  > -- Original Message --- > 
  From: "Tom DeReggi" < 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List"  
  > Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 > 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree > > > 
  > Robert, > >   
  > > You may have misunderstood.  
  Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. 
  I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to 
  enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open 
  easilly. > >   > > My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was 
  entered, was awkward for them.  If it is awkward for the porspect, 
  they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations 
  available to them.  My concern is strictly about improving the 
  ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map.  That 
  is where improvements are needed most. > >   
  > > I agree that your project is comming 
  along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly 
  meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve. > 
  >   > > Tom DeReggi 
  > > RapidDSL & Wireless, 
  Inc   
  > 
> - Original Message - > > From: Robert Kim Wireless 
Internet Advisor > > To: WISPA General List 
> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM > > 
Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree > > > > 
Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that 
while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting better) 
your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. .i'm 
still working on it.. > > > > On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi 
< 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
> 
  > I'd like to see au

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

[George]

Hey order the one with the aluminum bar seat in it.
It's only like 20 dollars more, and it's a lot more comfortable to be on 
a tower in.


http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10193

I just got one for my guy and hey says it's way more comfortable than 
the other one and he can spend more time on a tower.


George


Bob Moldashel wrote:

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

last chance.  I am ordering.  Well, it's been 3 yearsbut it's time 
for a harness.  Up until now I only climbed grain legs.  I am going to 
go up a 90ft Rohn 25g style tower.  It there anything else I need.




Yeah...How about some training???





Can I get some links to the rope and pulleys ya'll use?




http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10234&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10511&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192






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Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

[Bob Moldashel]

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

last chance.  I am ordering.  Well, it's been 3 yearsbut it's time 
for a harness.  Up until now I only climbed grain legs.  I am going to 
go up a 90ft Rohn 25g style tower.  It there anything else I need.



Yeah...How about some training???





Can I get some links to the rope and pulleys ya'll use?




http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10234&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10511&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D 



http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192




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RE: [WISPA] VOIP

[Jon Price]

Marlon, please don't take anything I said personally bud - it wasn't
directed at you or anyone specifically. I've always said that you are a
great guy, you give a ton of great, practical, free advice. That's nothing
short of inspiring. We all have to share and give more back to your industry
than what we take in order to help it grow along with our business. I get
frustrated when I read things that run counter to this thinking though and
that prozac 'n jack cocktail just isn't enough.;-)

So the jab was at the concept of not going to shows because someone knows
everything, there's nothing left to learn and ironically the money is so
tight that a free hall pass is the only thing that's mildly justifiable.

If anything, that's the best reason to go to any show, join a newsgroup or
association: help everyone else around you learn (competitor or not). The
world and the industry are a better place even if our competitors are more
intelligent, professional and successful. The worst competitors are ignorant
spectrum hogs and fools who come to town, sign everyone up by undercutting
you and then flame out after delivering poor, unreliable services. That's
bad for them, you, me and most importantly the WISP industry and our image
as a whole. Same can be said for Associations and the zillions of trade
shows in our industry, so it's important for these things to exist and keep
driving to raise the bar. We can't make everyone smart, ethical and
professional, but we can have a positive impact and strive to create/raise
the standards for everyone. 

I can (all too painfully well) understand the financial strains in the early
phase of any business. We're a 4 person company that operates entirely on
cash flow. I go through the same justification process for events, travel or
any other expense. Every business needs to consider the long and short term
interests and balance those things. I'm not advocating that every spare dime
should be spent attending trade shows or joining every association out there
either.

I said this to John when I sent the suggestions for WISPA's event/media
partnership policy: small doesn't have to equal unprofitable - that's the
distinction we all need to make. Ideally we'd all figure out how to run
efficient, pocket sized, easy-to-manage businesses that are insanely
profitable and valuable regardless of their size. So let's get over the fact
that we're small and figure out how to help each other become the profitable
and professional businesses (large or small) that we all can and should be.
Otherwise we should go fire up that tractor or dusty resume again.  

There's no reason why everyone has to remain permanently locked in
"fledgling" mode. There are ways to break that cycle that we've got to help
each other find or we'll need much more than this lightweight prozac stuff.
I want to see us all break out of that cycle sooner than later and identify
the paths that others can take to flourish as an industry. This is, as
Michael Gerber says "working ON your business rather than IN it". Largely,
we've got an industry of "technicians-turned-entrepreneur" that are
overwhelmed with working IN our businesses. That's not a business, it's a
job and if you are like me, the boss is a total PITA. 

This isn't about making my shows a fit for WISPA or promoting my conference
over someone else's. They all help in one way or another and have their
place for each person's specific needs. VoIP could be a total waste of time
for your market, but huge for people in other market conditions - doesn't
make it good or bad, but we've got to help each other make those major
distinctions rather than simultaneously lumbering through the process in our
own vacuums.

Newsgroups, Associations, Trade Shows, Magazines, Radio Shows,
whatever...they are all part of getting there, no matter which ones you are
involved with. Imho, the key (which was the rambling point I was trying to
make in the last message) is to be part of the industry and avoid
lowballing, freeloading and using everyone around you - it's bad for the
industry and our image. To contribute and support these things that are part
of your industry and extract value only AFTER you've contributed an equal or
greater amount is the idea. That is the only way we can all succeed. If
anything Marlon, you are a perfect example of someone who does just that -
so if you haven't heard it lately, THANK YOU!

So who here is going step up and help Marlon master his customer acquisition
costs? Anyone?
jp


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP

Hiya Jon,

Glad to see you are finally off of that Prozac stuff!  grin

I'll step (not too far) out on a limb and assume you are talking about
*this* know it all as one of those you are obviously tired of.

Let me see if I can address your points one at a

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

[Brian Rohrbacher]

last chance.  I am ordering.  Well, it's been 3 yearsbut it's time 
for a harness.  Up until now I only climbed grain legs.  I am going to 
go up a 90ft Rohn 25g style tower.  It there anything else I need. 


Can I get some links to the rope and pulleys ya'll use?




http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10234&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D

http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D

http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10511&-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D

http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192

Tom DeReggi wrote:


I will add...

I bought a rope grabber for 3/8" metal wire. I made the mistake of 
buying the inexpensive $99 version, it is a pain to work with because 
it needs to be assembled around the wire/rope, and is difficult to do 
as I climb the tower and need to remove it to go over the brackets 
that fasten the wire to the tower.  The $250 good version is 
preferred, and worth every penny, because it will actually be used 
instead of sitting in a bucket. It is better because it can very 
easilly be released to wrap around the wire without taking it apart.


I forget the names of them, but the sellers know what I'm referring to.

Tom DeReggi


- Original Message - From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps



I bought the following from tasco-safety.com - they seemed to have the 
best prices on good quality stuff.


Item Ref.   Price ea.   Qty.  Description

28003   $35.00  1 Master Series 1/2" x 3' Centurion Rope 
Lanyard
35346   $68.00  1 Master Series 1" x 6' NoPac Shock 
Absorbing Polyester Lanyard (2 legs)

66623   $244.00 1 Eagle Tower LX Harness -XL

I also bought a rope-grabber, quite a few REAL carabiners, and a clamp 
set with large Dring for the seat in the harness...


Total purchase was around $600

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

I'll need to order today.  Does midwest have the best prices?  I want 
a double lanyard but they are 150 - 200, it that what they all run or 
is this just super high quality?  I didn't want to have 1000 into 
climbing gear.  I know I knowI could die.



is this the best positioning strap?
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241

The double lanyard needs to have the big fat hooks.  Anymore suggestions?

George wrote:


http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10229

George


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


I just bought a harness.  (I know, two years in and it's my first
harness)  I need a nice double lanyard and a positioning strap (or
two, does it take 2?)

Where can I find good quality, but not a premium price.  Or maybe
medium quality.  I don't want to go broke or fall.  :)

Thanks.





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Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree

[Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor]

Scott.. that makes sense.. i think what we will do is have a button next to the CITY/ZIP filters that say, "SHOW SURROUNDING Wireless Internet Service Providers"
 
that will make sure the map is more useful... thoughts?
 
John, can we do this??? 
On 8/16/05, Scott Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Some are typists, some are clickers.  Clickers don't type.  Not too hard to click on a state, click on a city and be close to home.  Just need to be able to see the WISPs that are in town. 
I realize that you have drop downs for the cities, but as someone mentioned before, if I list my WISP as Richmond, then people in Webster, Williamsburg, Fountain City, Whitewater, Middlebourogh, Boston, Centerville, Mineral Springs, Cambridge City, Penville, Milton, Hagerstown, Greensfork, ... may not find me.  And that is in a 10 to 15 mile circle.  If they click on their town and get a 25 mile map with markers, they found me.  If they put in their own zip, they may not find me. 
Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration 
www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: WISPA General List , 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:23:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree > John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the Fieldmapping issue... >   >   
> Tom, Scott,, ok.. i see now... yes.. i agree... >   > well... we do have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that the user doesnt have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya  :o) >   
> currently our map has this data > http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg
 > but since the DB ties are not done yet... > http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg
 >   > is what you'll get till we are done... >   > working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have too >   > On 8/16/05, 
Scott Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Which is what my original post was about as well.  I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon.  It is a pain for the potential customer.  I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, "I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user".  Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me. 
> > Scott Reed > Owner > NewWays > Wireless Networking > Network Design, Installation and Administration > 
www.nwwnet.net > > -- Original Message --- > From: "Tom DeReggi" <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List"  
> Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree > > > > Robert, > >   > > 
You may have misunderstood.  Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly. 
> >   > > My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward for them.  If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations available to them.  My concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map.  That is where improvements are needed most. 
> >   > > I agree that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve. 
> >   > > Tom DeReggi > > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc   
> > - Original Message - > > From: 
Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor > > To: WISPA General List
 > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM > > Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree > > > > Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. .i'm still working on it.. 
> > > > On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi <
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
> > I'd like to see autozoom to the state level when you click on the state.  Its difficult to make out the up to 100 sites in the area on the full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of them then when you zoom in it stays homed in on the region. But then none of the other points show up on the maps, until you unclick on the first point.  Its still awkward.  
> >   > > Tom DeReggi > > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >   
> > - Original Message - > > From: 
Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor > > > > To: 
WISPA General List > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... > > > >   > > Thats a good point. > > hmmm... 
> >   > > the only problem with populating points by clicking a state.. while it DOES remove that extra filter step... is that XML lookups take some time.. and if you click t

Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree

[Scott Reed]

Some are typists, some are clickers.  Clickers don't type.  Not too hard to click on a state, click on a city and be close to home.  Just need to be able to see the WISPs that are in town.
I realize that you have drop downs for the cities, but as someone mentioned before, if I list my WISP as Richmond, then people in Webster, Williamsburg, Fountain City, Whitewater, Middlebourogh, Boston, Centerville, Mineral Springs, Cambridge City, Penville, Milton, Hagerstown, Greensfork, ... may not find me.  And that is in a 10 to 15 mile circle.  If they click on their town and get a 25 mile map with markers, they found me.  If they put in their own zip, they may not find me.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net

-- Original Message 
---

From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


To: WISPA General List , [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:23:02 -0700 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree 



> John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the Fieldmapping 
issue...

>  

>  

> Tom, Scott,, ok.. i see now... yes.. i 
agree...

>  

> well... we do have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that 
the user doesnt have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya  
:o)

>  

> currently our map has this 
data

> http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg

> but since the DB ties are not done 
yet...

> http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg

>  

> is what you'll get till we are done...
>  

> working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have too
> 
 

> On 8/16/05, Scott 
Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
Which is what my original 
post was about as well.  I do not have a problem with how to enter, though 
I hope I can edit soon.  It is a pain for the potential customer.  I 
always tell the programmers that have worked for me, "I do not care how 
hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user".  Same here, doesn't 
have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer 
should not have to work to find me. 


> 
> Scott Reed 
> Owner 
> NewWays 

> Wireless Networking 
> Network Design, Installation and 
Administration 
> 
www.nwwnet.net 
> 
> -- Original Message 
--- 
> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
<
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
 

> 

Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 
> Subject: Re: 
[WISPA] Awkward.. i agree 
> 
> 


> > Robert, 
> >   
> > You may have misunderstood.  Entering my sites is NOT awkward for 
me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to 
figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the 
advantage of many to open 
easilly.
 
> >   
> > My 
complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward 
for them.  If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to 
locate all the possible cell site locations available to them.  My 
concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to 
find the data on the map.  That is where improvements are needed 
most.
 
> >   
> > I agree 
that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My 
comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to 
evolve.
 
> >   
> > Tom 
DeReggi 
> > RapidDSL & 
Wireless, Inc   


> > - 
Original Message - 
> > From: 
Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor 
> > To: WISPA General List 
> 

> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM 
> > Subject: 
[WISPA] Awkward.. i agree 
> > 
> > Tom.. awkward is the right 
word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that while its not ideal for you to 
enter your points yet (getting better) your potential clients will have a pretty 
simple time of it.. but.. .i'm still working on it.. 

> > 
> > On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 


> > I'd like to see autozoom to the state level when you click on the 
state.  Its difficult to make out the up to 100 sites in the area on the 
full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of them then when you zoom in 
it stays homed in on the region. But then none of the other points show up on 
the maps, until you unclick on the first point.  Its still awkward. 
 

> >   
> > Tom 
DeReggi 
> > RapidDSL & 
Wireless, Inc 
> >   


> > - 
Original Message - 
> > From: 
Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor 
> > 
> 
> To: WISPA General 
List
 
> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:26 PM 
> > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... 
> > 
> > 
  
> > Thats a good point. 
> > hmmm... 
> >  
 
> > the only problem with populating points by clicking a state.. 
while it DOES remove that extra filter step... is that XML lookups take some 
time.. and if you click the wrong state.. it'll take 10 secs to get back to the 
state you want... 

> >   
> > it may be worth it though... its a trade 
off... lemme see.. 
> > 
> >   
> > On

Re: [WISPA] VOIP

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hiya Jon,

Glad to see you are finally off of that Prozac stuff!  grin

I'll step (not too far) out on a limb and assume you are talking about 
*this* know it all as one of those you are obviously tired of.


Let me see if I can address your points one at a time.  More below

Marlon
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I've cut out all the voip stuff.  I don't believe people (as a group) are 
going to make money at it.  There's wayy too much competition.  And 
heck, the trend out here is already turning out to be the elimination of 
standard phone lines!  Everyone has at least one cell phone.  Who needs the 
typical telco with it's attitude and cords.


I think you did hit the nail on the head for where money will be with voip 
though.  QoS.  We don't block or hurt voip.  But if you want it to get 
special treatment for your voip line(s), that's an extra $5 per month.


I think voip will do about as much for the  side of this industry as 
Hotspots did.  Nothing.  The publicity has been great and there certainly 
has been a symbiotic growth of the wisp market as people learned what this 
wireless stuff is about though.




Watch out...uh...uhuh...

Apparently everything you need to learn about QoS, deploying VoIP, 
reselling

options and the gear can all be found, touched and tested in newsgroups
online for free.


Not entirely true, but surprisingly close today.


You can also save a lot of time by asking the know-it-alls
that don't attend events anymore. They are by far the best to ask because
there's nothing left for them to learn or teach other people about the 
same

old rusty technology that never, ever changes in any environment.


I think that has two sides.  First, this "know-it-all" is busy keeping a 
network of 6000 square miles running.  Putting my money where my mouth is, 
so to speak.  We're up to 225 wireless subs, 50 firber to the home subs and 
down to 350ish dial-up subs by the way.  We take care of all of that with 
1.75 people and a couple of good server consultants who work as needed.


I'm not at shows for two and only two reasons.  Our cahsflow is amazing and 
certainly good.  It's NOT making up for the customer aquisition costs 
though.  I still (barely) break even.


This is not as bad of a thing as it sounds though.  We peaked out at about 
600 dial-up subs (in an area that everyone originally said was impossible to 
service).  My gross customer base has stayed pretty much the same overall 
for the last year or two but that's a major victory for a traditional isp 
these days.  Our profitability per customer is way up (200% or so).  If we 
could just stop adding new customers we'd be in an entirely different 
finantial possition.


It's strange, we went from 4 to 6 new wireless subs per month to 3 to 5 per 
WEEK over night.  And we've been at nearly that pace for about 18 months 
now.  We're averaging a bit less than that but only because I can't keep my 
shelves stocked.  It takes time (about 30 to 45 days) for the money to roll 
over.  We loose $50 to $100 per subscirber with every install.  That is 
gross costs, gas, labor, screws, wire, car etc.  Not just the cost of a 
radio and antenna.  I was about to add a fuel surcharge but the radios have 
come down so I won't be doing that.  And my losses are now closer to $50 or 
less per sub.


I can hear it now, my banker keeps saying it too.  "If you are growing that 
fast, raise your prices."  I've got a LOT of competition on a per customer 
basis.  DSL, Cable, Fiber, WISPs or all of the above in almost all coverage 
zones.  To me, this is about getting as many wireless customers as possible 
before the bottom falls totally out of the broadband market.  Broadband is, 
after all, just internet.  We'll see broadband follow the same path as 
dialup.  Actually, in most areas I know of, it's already happening.



Besides,
their WISP and VoIP businesses have become way too massive and profitable 
to

take time away to show others how they did it or give back to the industry
w/o being paid.


see above.  *I* don't have the spare funds OR the time to go to any shows 
that I don't get paid to be at.  Don't get me wrong here, the shows are 
IMPORTANT.  Critically so.  There is much to learn, and more importantly, 
people to meet.  Much info is avialable for fee today.  But it still takes 
eyeball to eyeball time to create relationships.  And that means going to 
shows.



Don't lose hope though, just be patient with your requests,
you'll get an emailed response at some point and I'm sure you'll have
everything you could possibly require to build end-to-end QoS into that
VoIPwork in no time - and for FREE to boot!


Kinda.  No one that I know REALLY knows what he's talking abo

Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree

[Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor]

John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the Fieldmapping issue...
 
 
Tom, Scott,, ok.. i see now... yes.. i agree...
 
well... we do have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that the user doesnt have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya  :o)
 
currently our map has this data
http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg
but since the DB ties are not done yet...
http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg
 
is what you'll get till we are done... 
working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have too 
On 8/16/05, Scott Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Which is what my original post was about as well.  I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon.  It is a pain for the potential customer.  I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, "I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user".  Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me. 
Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration 
www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: "Tom DeReggi" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree 
> Robert, >   > You may have misunderstood.  Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly.
 >   > My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward for them.  If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations available to them.  My concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map.  That is where improvements are needed most.
 >   > I agree that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve.
 >   > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc   
> - Original Message - > From: 
Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor > To: WISPA General List 
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree > > Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. .i'm still working on it.. 
> > On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 
> I'd like to see autozoom to the state level when you click on the state.  Its difficult to make out the up to 100 sites in the area on the full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of them then when you zoom in it stays homed in on the region. But then none of the other points show up on the maps, until you unclick on the first point.  Its still awkward.  
>   > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >   
> - Original Message - > From: 
Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor > > To: WISPA General List
 > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... > >   > Thats a good point. > hmmm... >   > the only problem with populating points by clicking a state.. while it DOES remove that extra filter step... is that XML lookups take some time.. and if you click the wrong state.. it'll take 10 secs to get back to the state you want... 
>   > it may be worth it though... its a trade off... lemme see.. > >   > On 8/15/05, Scott Reed <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Here is your next enhancement.  I am a customer looking for service.  I go to the site, click WISP (I know what I want) and click on my state. I would want to see some indication there are providers there.  Next click, markers, all the way in to the one I want. 
> > Scott Reed > Owner > NewWays > Wireless Networking > Network Design, Installation and Administration > 
www.nwwnet.net > > > -- Original Message --- > From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: wispa  > Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:28:05 -0700 
> Subject: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... > > > oops... sorry... > > heres the url > > 
http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/ > > remember.. just double left click on the map till you get a popup window that lets you add a point.. > > -- > > Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor 
> > http://evdo-coverage.com > > 
http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com > > http://hsdpa-coverage.com > > > > 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 
> > Suite 102 > > Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 > > 206 984 0880 > --- End of Original Message --- > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: 
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Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree

[Scott Reed]

Which is what my original post was about as well.  I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon.  It is a pain for the potential customer.  I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, "I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user".  Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net

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From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


To: "WISPA General List"  


Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree 



> Robert, 


>  

> You may have misunderstood.  Entering my 
sites 

is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical 

person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless 

if awkward, for the advantage of many to open 
easilly.

>  

> My complaint, was for prospects to find my info 

after it was entered, was awkward for them.  If it is awkward for the 

porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site 

locations available to them.  My concern is strictly about improving 

the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map.  That 

is where improvements are needed 
most.

>  

> I agree that your project is comming along 
well, 

and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful 

criticism so it may continue to 
evolve.

>  

> Tom 
DeReggi

> RapidDSL & Wireless, 

Inc  


  
> - Original Message - 

  
> From: 

  Robert Kim 

  Wireless Internet Advisor 

  
> To: WISPA General List 

  
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 

  
PM
  
> Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i 
agree
  
> 
> Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good 

  news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting 

  better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. 

  .i'm still working on it.. 
> 
> On 
8/15/05, Tom 

  DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

  wrote: 

  

> I'd like to see autozoom to the state level 

when you click on the state.  Its difficult to make out the up to 100 

sites in the area on the full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of 

them then when you zoom in it stays homed in on the region. But then none of 

the other points show up on the maps, until you unclick on the first 

point.  Its still awkward.  


>  


> Tom 
DeReggi

> RapidDSL & Wireless, 
Inc

>  


  
> - Original Message - 

  
> From: Robert Kim Wireless 

  Internet Advisor 

  
> 
  
> To: WISPA General List 

  

  
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:26 

  
PM
  
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - 

  
SORRY...
  
> 
>  

  
> Thats a good 
point.
  
> hmmm... 

  
>  

  
> the only problem with populating points by clicking a state.. 
while 

  it DOES remove that extra filter step... is that XML lookups take some 

  time.. and if you click the wrong state.. it'll take 10 secs to get back 

  to the state you want... 

  
>  

  
> it may be worth it though... its a trade off... lemme 

  see..
> 
>  

  
> On 8/15/05, Scott 

  Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

  wrote: 

  Here is your next enhancement.  I am a customer looking for 

service.  I go to the site, click WISP (I know what I want) and 

click on my state. I would want to see some indication there are 

providers there.  Next click, markers, all the way in to the one I 

want. 
> 
> Scott Reed 
> Owner 
> NewWays 

> Wireless Networking 


> Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> www.nwwnet.net 


> 
> 
> -- Original Message 
--- 


> From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor < 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> To: wispa  
> Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 

09:28:05 -0700 
> Subject: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... 


> 
> > oops... sorry... 
> > heres the url 

> > http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/ 


> > remember.. just double left click on the map till you 

get a popup window that lets you add a point.. 
> > -- 

> > 

Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor 
> > http://evdo-coverage.com 
> > http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com 
> > http://hsdpa-coverage.com 
> > 
> > 
2611 S. 

Pacific Coast Highway 101 
> > Suite 102 
> > Cardiff 
by the 

Sea, CA 92007 
> > 206 984 0880 
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Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

[Tom DeReggi]

I will add...

I bought a rope grabber for 3/8" metal wire. I made the mistake of buying 
the inexpensive $99 version, it is a pain to work with because it needs to 
be assembled around the wire/rope, and is difficult to do as I climb the 
tower and need to remove it to go over the brackets that fasten the wire to 
the tower.  The $250 good version is preferred, and worth every penny, 
because it will actually be used instead of sitting in a bucket. It is 
better because it can very easilly be released to wrap around the wire 
without taking it apart.


I forget the names of them, but the sellers know what I'm referring to.

Tom DeReggi


- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps



I bought the following from tasco-safety.com - they seemed to have the best 
prices on good quality stuff.


Item Ref.   Price ea.   Qty.  Description

28003   $35.00  1 Master Series 1/2" x 3' Centurion Rope Lanyard
35346   $68.00  1 Master Series 1" x 6' NoPac Shock Absorbing 
Polyester Lanyard (2 legs)

66623   $244.00 1 Eagle Tower LX Harness -XL

I also bought a rope-grabber, quite a few REAL carabiners, and a clamp set 
with large Dring for the seat in the harness...


Total purchase was around $600

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

I'll need to order today.  Does midwest have the best prices?  I want a 
double lanyard but they are 150 - 200, it that what they all run or is this 
just super high quality?  I didn't want to have 1000 into climbing gear.  I 
know I knowI could die.



is this the best positioning strap?
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241

The double lanyard needs to have the big fat hooks.  Anymore suggestions?

George wrote:


http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10229

George


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


I just bought a harness.  (I know, two years in and it's my first
harness)  I need a nice double lanyard and a positioning strap (or
two, does it take 2?)

Where can I find good quality, but not a premium price.  Or maybe
medium quality.  I don't want to go broke or fall.  :)

Thanks.




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Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree

[Tom DeReggi]

Robert, 
 
You may have misunderstood.  Entering my sites 
is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical 
person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless 
if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly.
 
My complaint, was for prospects to find my info 
after it was entered, was awkward for them.  If it is awkward for the 
porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site 
locations available to them.  My concern is strictly about improving 
the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map.  That 
is where improvements are needed most.
 
I agree that your project is comming along well, 
and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful 
criticism so it may continue to evolve.
 
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, 
Inc  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robert Kim 
  Wireless Internet Advisor 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 
  PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree
  Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good 
  news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting 
  better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. 
  .i'm still working on it.. 
  On 8/15/05, Tom 
  DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  
I'd like to see autozoom to the state level 
when you click on the state.  Its difficult to make out the up to 100 
sites in the area on the full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of 
them then when you zoom in it stays homed in on the region. But then none of 
the other points show up on the maps, until you unclick on the first 
point.  Its still awkward.  
 
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Kim Wireless 
  Internet Advisor 
  
  To: WISPA General List 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - 
  SORRY...
   
  Thats a good point.
  hmmm... 
   
  the only problem with populating points by clicking a state.. while 
  it DOES remove that extra filter step... is that XML lookups take some 
  time.. and if you click the wrong state.. it'll take 10 secs to get back 
  to the state you want... 
   
  it may be worth it though... its a trade off... lemme 
  see.. 
  On 8/15/05, Scott 
  Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  Here is your next enhancement.  I am a customer looking for 
service.  I go to the site, click WISP (I know what I want) and 
click on my state. I would want to see some indication there are 
providers there.  Next click, markers, all the way in to the one I 
want. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net 
-- Original Message --- 
From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: wispa  Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 
09:28:05 -0700 Subject: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... 
> oops... sorry... > heres the url > http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/ 
> remember.. just double left click on the map till you 
get a popup window that lets you add a point.. > -- > 
Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor > http://evdo-coverage.com > http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com > http://hsdpa-coverage.com > > 2611 S. 
Pacific Coast Highway 101 > Suite 102 > Cardiff by the 
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RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

[Rick Smith]

Ah, I found 'em!

Glenmartin.com is a good supplier too.

These were the rest of the order...
Item No.  = RG-5000
Product   = Wire Rope Grab
Total Price   = 195.00

Item No.  = FP-13400
Product   = Tower Positioning Kit
Total Price   = 121.95

Item No.  = FP-17242
Product   = Auto-Twist Lock Aluminum Carabiner
Total Price   = 53.90 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:52 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps


I bought the following from tasco-safety.com - they seemed to have the best 
prices on good quality stuff.

Item Ref.   Price ea.   Qty.  Description

28003   $35.00  1 Master Series 1/2" x 3' Centurion Rope Lanyard 
35346   $68.00  1 Master Series 1" x 6' NoPac Shock Absorbing 
Polyester Lanyard (2 legs) 
66623   $244.00 1 Eagle Tower LX Harness -XL 

I also bought a rope-grabber, quite a few REAL carabiners, and a clamp set with 
large Dring for the seat in the harness...

Total purchase was around $600

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

I'll need to order today.  Does midwest have the best prices?  I want a double 
lanyard but they are 150 - 200, it that what they all run or is this just super 
high quality?  I didn't want to have 1000 into climbing gear.  I know I 
knowI could die.


is this the best positioning strap?  
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241

The double lanyard needs to have the big fat hooks.  Anymore suggestions?

George wrote:

> http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10229
>
> George
>
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>> I just bought a harness.  (I know, two years in and it's my first
>> harness)  I need a nice double lanyard and a positioning strap (or 
>> two, does it take 2?)
>>
>> Where can I find good quality, but not a premium price.  Or maybe 
>> medium quality.  I don't want to go broke or fall.  :)
>>
>> Thanks.
>
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RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

[Rick Smith]

I bought the following from tasco-safety.com - they seemed to have the best 
prices on good quality stuff.

Item Ref.   Price ea.   Qty.  Description

28003   $35.00  1 Master Series 1/2" x 3' Centurion Rope Lanyard 
35346   $68.00  1 Master Series 1" x 6' NoPac Shock Absorbing 
Polyester Lanyard (2 legs) 
66623   $244.00 1 Eagle Tower LX Harness -XL 

I also bought a rope-grabber, quite a few REAL carabiners, and a clamp set with 
large Dring for the seat in the harness...

Total purchase was around $600

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

I'll need to order today.  Does midwest have the best prices?  I want a double 
lanyard but they are 150 - 200, it that what they all run or is this just super 
high quality?  I didn't want to have 1000 into climbing gear.  I know I 
knowI could die.


is this the best positioning strap?  
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241

The double lanyard needs to have the big fat hooks.  Anymore suggestions?

George wrote:

> http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10229
>
> George
>
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>> I just bought a harness.  (I know, two years in and it's my first
>> harness)  I need a nice double lanyard and a positioning strap (or 
>> two, does it take 2?)
>>
>> Where can I find good quality, but not a premium price.  Or maybe 
>> medium quality.  I don't want to go broke or fall.  :)
>>
>> Thanks.
>
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Re[2]: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

[Barry at Mutual Data]

Hello Brian,

Tessco has climbing stuff and Tennessee Equipment is another option.
Lurk on the Tower-pro list for other climbing stuff.

We need to hook up for lunch someday, we are not that far apart!

Barry

Tuesday, August 16, 2005, 10:58:25 AM, you wrote:

BR> I'll need to order today.  Does midwest have the best prices? I want a
BR> double lanyard but they are 150 - 200, it that what they all run or is
BR> this just super high quality?  I didn't want to have 1000 into climbing
BR> gear.  I know I knowI could die.


BR> is this the best positioning strap?  
BR> http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241

BR> The double lanyard needs to have the big fat hooks.  Anymore suggestions?

BR> George wrote:

>> http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10229
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>
>>> I just bought a harness.  (I know, two years in and it's my first 
>>> harness)  I need a nice double lanyard and a positioning strap (or
>>> two, does it take 2?)
>>>
>>> Where can I find good quality, but not a premium price.  Or maybe 
>>> medium quality.  I don't want to go broke or fall.  :)
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>>



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RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

[Dustin Jurman]

Brian,

Anything over 60 feet is only a matter of seconds before death. So the
difference beteen 100 feet and 1000 is a few seconds. Buy the absolute best
gear possible and have confidence in your gear.  Good climbing gear can run
you $1500 for harness, positioning lanyard, fall arrester, etc.. But you
will have the confidence that you have the best gear possible and in case a
mistake is made you have the best chance of you, your climber and your
business living through it.  Get serious about this. 


Dustin Jurman
President
Rapid Systems Corporation
813-232-4887
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

I'll need to order today.  Does midwest have the best prices?  I want a
double lanyard but they are 150 - 200, it that what they all run or is this
just super high quality?  I didn't want to have 1000 into climbing gear.  I
know I knowI could die.


is this the best positioning strap?  
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241

The double lanyard needs to have the big fat hooks.  Anymore suggestions?

George wrote:

> http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10229
>
> George
>
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>> I just bought a harness.  (I know, two years in and it's my first
>> harness)  I need a nice double lanyard and a positioning strap (or 
>> two, does it take 2?)
>>
>> Where can I find good quality, but not a premium price.  Or maybe 
>> medium quality.  I don't want to go broke or fall.  :)
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I'll need to order today.  Does midwest have the best prices?  I want a 
double lanyard but they are 150 - 200, it that what they all run or is 
this just super high quality?  I didn't want to have 1000 into climbing 
gear.  I know I knowI could die.



is this the best positioning strap?  
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241


The double lanyard needs to have the big fat hooks.  Anymore suggestions?

George wrote:


http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10229

George


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I just bought a harness.  (I know, two years in and it's my first 
harness)  I need a nice double lanyard and a positioning strap (or 
two, does it take 2?)


Where can I find good quality, but not a premium price.  Or maybe 
medium quality.  I don't want to go broke or fall.  :)


Thanks.




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[WISPA] General Views on Wireless...

[Rick Smith]

Look at what people are saying in everyday conversation on isp-clec.


"It's been several years since I tried to overcome these issues but I don't see 
where they have changed one bit. So in our area you have 4 choices for 
internet; wireless (lacks dependability), cable, satellite and Qwest (or a 
Qwest reseller). Just what the commissioner meant when he said we have real 
competition..."

I replied with the fact that in 3 years, Sprint DSL has been down in our area 
for 2 weeks...while we've had a total of 1 or 2 days...

Still, this perception HAS to change... I imagine only a massive marketing 
campaign from a telco would be ABLE to change it...

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Re: [WISPA] VOIP

[John Scrivner]

Marlon started it. He brought the bottle of whiskey! This is a good 
point though. Those brainstorming sessions face to face are hard to beat 
at any price. Much is learned and shared by all  in a very short time span.

:-)
Scriv




 I suspect the next show I attend  - - there will be a major emphasis 
on VOIP  on the side line!! We may even get kicked out of several 
different places while this discussion goes on - - from the bar to the 
game room to a living room or a hallway - - - - eh Scriv? :-)



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Re: [WISPA] VOIP

[Mac Dearman]

hehehehe - - I treat my wife like this from time to time and when I get 
through ranting she smiles really nicely and asks "do you fell better?"  
Well, do you feel better now JP?  I suspect you ought to lay off the 
caffeine and try a stiff JD & 7up :-) at tense moments. (note: no 
caffeine in 7up or Jack Daniels)


  I gotta say that the most I have ever learned has been at  trade 
shows - - just sitting and talking with the other guys who started long 
before I did. I have also made some really fine friends that will be 
friends for life who are absolute bon-a-fide know it alls and will 
share!! Butch Evans, Matt Larsen, Scriv, Rick Harnish, Mike Delp, 
Stewart Pierce,and the list could go on for a while. I can't 
complain about the costs associated with attending a trade show because 
I have certainly been the one to benefit from just being there.


 I suspect the next show I attend  - - there will be a major emphasis 
on VOIP  on the side line!! We may even get kicked out of several 
different places while this discussion goes on - - from the bar to the 
game room to a living room or a hallway - - - - eh Scriv? :-)


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Jon Price wrote:


Is it _your_ voip service or something like Vonage riding over your network?
Certain ones, like Vonage ship the router (like a Linksys RT31P2) with an
overhead buffer/allocation preconfigured for around that same 128K to
optimize voice quality. There's also a "bandwidth saver" setting that could
be messing with them (http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10277184) which
I believe swaps the codec in use to something more or less bandwidth/QoS
intensive like G.711, G.726 or G.729. 


Ya can't blame a voip provider for carving out a piece of the/your bandwidth
to keep their QoS at peak levels. As with most services, the more b'width,
the better the quality - so the sub may have it set for peak voice quality
and low b'width savings therefore each time their mail client pops or a get
request fires out for a web page while the line(s) are in use, that's that.
I suspect this will be the twist for working around portblocking
issues...simply tweak the QoS to preferred levels for the house brand vs.
the alternatives and this way, it's only slightly degrading the allocation
for the competitor rather than blocking it altogether. Of course, who knows
what's next out of Martin's office for would-be competitors...

Couple of suggested links, fwiw: 


I've never used this thing before (anyone?), but it looks interesting:
http://www.nonliteral.com/articles/hawking-broadband-booster-improving-voip-
quality/

Might also try:
http://www.voip-calculator.com/calculator/

Perhaps this would be an opportune time to sell him a service of your own
that doesn't suck and is "optimized" ;-) for your network? 


Watch out...uh...uhuh...

Apparently everything you need to learn about QoS, deploying VoIP, reselling
options and the gear can all be found, touched and tested in newsgroups
online for free. You can also save a lot of time by asking the know-it-alls
that don't attend events anymore. They are by far the best to ask because
there's nothing left for them to learn or teach other people about the same
old rusty technology that never, ever changes in any environment. Besides,
their WISP and VoIP businesses have become way too massive and profitable to
take time away to show others how they did it or give back to the industry
w/o being paid. Don't lose hope though, just be patient with your requests,
you'll get an emailed response at some point and I'm sure you'll have
everything you could possibly require to build end-to-end QoS into that
VoIPwork in no time - and for FREE to boot! 


If that weren't the case, I might point you toward a one of those zillions
of pointless, overpriced convention options in the oversaturated event
segment. Ya know the kind where people who are really good at stuff teach
other people how to do stuff better. Those places where people who want to
help each other build a huge, profitable and powerful industry and get
together to try and avoid operating in a small, powerless vacuum for
hobbyists. The kind of place where a know-it-all sits in a room and has his
mind blown by what the guy across the room is doing, makes that peering
agreement or bumps into someone that would love to help fund their expansion
into the next town.

Of course, who'd want to invest a whole $300-$500 in growing their business,
that's serious crazy talk for any company to consider spending. No REAL
entrepreneur ever found a way to grow by investing in their business, their
staff, their industry, their infrastructure, spending time with their peers
or by uncovering new ways to expand beyond just pure unlicensed RF
connections. Besides, with all those annoying sales engineers trying to buy
you dinner, that would get old real fast...Don't try to sell me stu