Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
Title: FS: Remote Reboot Aren't those preprogramed from the factory for specific ZIP CODEs of operation. Thats the reason we didn't go with them, we couldn't just buy a bunch of them and use them, we had to predict in advance where we would use them. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'Trango TechSupport' ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot FS : Nighthawk system NH1 Pager based remote AC rebooter with vhf paging receiver, 6 units available, great price Offlist for more info For sale cause couldnt make it work with local alphanumeric paging company, just works with numeric service Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Stability of a MT + WRAP or Soekris board based AP
All, Have been trying to upgrade our AP systems from a pebble based system to something newer and stable. Just finshed a several day trial of a newer m0n0wall based distro called pfsense. Loved advanced FW and traffic shaping available. Configured simple bridge shaper and put it inline with our system. Great voip response, less delay due to priority DNS, etc. On the 128M wrap board I used it went 2 days+ then locked up. uuuhhg! Am considering MT, but would like some feedback about their OS on WRAP or Soekris boards. 1) Are the watchdog timers on these embedded boards enabled under MT? 2) How stable are these systems under medium to high loads? 3) Do you ever see hard lockups? Brief watchdog burps? if so, how often? 4) Anyone used the captive portal feature in MT? What kind of authentication? 5) Can you brige 2 radios in AP mode and assign that bridge to the captive portal? 6) Are MT tools available for traffic shaping, controlling p2p, etc?? I've spent too much time evaluating/customizing 'solutions'. I need something solid for my POPs, so we can grow to the next level. Thanks in advance for your experienced responses. - Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Reseller Agreement
Title: Reseller Agreement I would also be interested in any agreements that would be put in the public domain. Seem to be struggling with the wording and correct terms and conditions. Thanks for the help, Don Renner NetSurfUSA, Inc. 8550 Main St. French Lick, IN 47432 812-936-4514 office 812-936-2006 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] Reseller Agreement Anyone have a Reseller agreement for share, we will be wholesaling our services to another company and would like to get an idea Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
Title: FS: Remote Reboot Zip code? Huh, you just need a paging company with coverage in the area you need service with. We ordered our units without the paging service, go to you local paging company and activate the units with them Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Aren't those preprogramed from the factory for specific ZIP CODEs of operation. Thats the reason we didn't go with them, we couldn't just buy a bunch of them and use them, we had to predict in advance where we would use them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'Trango TechSupport' ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot FS : Nighthawk system NH1 Pager based remote AC rebooter with vhf paging receiver, 6 units available, great price Offlist for more info For sale cause couldnt make it work with local alphanumeric paging company, just works with numeric service Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
Title: FS: Remote Reboot Are they frequency specific? The company should be able to offer numeric service out of the same terminal it is offering the alpha service through. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Zip code? Huh, you just need a paging company with coverage in the area you need service with. We ordered our units without the paging service, go to you local paging company and activate the units with them Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Aren't those preprogramed from the factory for specific ZIP CODEs of operation. Thats the reason we didn't go with them, we couldn't just buy a bunch of them and use them, we had to predict in advance where we would use them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'Trango TechSupport' ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot FS : Nighthawk system NH1 Pager based remote AC rebooter with vhf paging receiver, 6 units available, great price Offlist for more info For sale cause couldnt make it work with local alphanumeric paging company, just works with numeric service Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
That is pretty confusing. Any alphanumeric paging provider has backwards compatability to numeric. Any of them. Can't stress that enough. What kind of issue are you getting in trying to make it play? (One of our businesses is a regional paging system) - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Trango TechSupport' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot FS : Nighthawk system NH1 Pager based remote AC rebooter with vhf paging receiver, 6 units available, great price Offlist for more info For sale cause couldn't make it work with local alphanumeric paging company, just works with numeric service Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes
Free Municipal Wi-Fi Service Boosts Economic Development in the City of St. Cloud, FL at http://www.digitalcityexpo.com/agenda.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
The issue must be a format issue. It appears that the Nighthawk system uses Pocsag, long the leader in paging formats. Some paging systems do not use Pocsag (Very few do not have the capabilty to use Pocsag, but there are some out there) and the Nighthawk would not appear to be compatable with a pure FLEX, two tone, or other format system. It would not take much to take a flex pager (Or whatever format that system uses) and have it trip a relay though, which could reset your system. Tie a transistor to the LED, have it switch a relay. You could do that with any format, all you would need is a pager from the system, and a little thought. Not as pretty as the nighthawk, but I bet it would work just as well. - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Zip code? Huh, you just need a paging company with coverage in the area you need service with.. We ordered our units without the paging service, go to you local paging company and activate the units with them Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Aren't those preprogramed from the factory for specific ZIP CODEs of operation. Thats the reason we didn't go with them, we couldn't just buy a bunch of them and use them, we had to predict in advance where we would use them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
Well, the problem is not pocsag or flex ( my last business was paging), historically here in Puerto Rico, numeric paging didn't catch.. PR market was always alphanumeric ( we had a big message center, with lots of operators...what a headache!!!)so, the problem lies in the remaining paging operator is using a Glenayre paging system hooked up to the call attendant system ( he has expanded into a calling center) so all the messages that are transmitted over the paging system (even numeric ones) have time and date stamp, before the message... and this basically kills the nighthawk coding Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot The issue must be a format issue. It appears that the Nighthawk system uses Pocsag, long the leader in paging formats. Some paging systems do not use Pocsag (Very few do not have the capabilty to use Pocsag, but there are some out there) and the Nighthawk would not appear to be compatable with a pure FLEX, two tone, or other format system. It would not take much to take a flex pager (Or whatever format that system uses) and have it trip a relay though, which could reset your system. Tie a transistor to the LED, have it switch a relay. You could do that with any format, all you would need is a pager from the system, and a little thought. Not as pretty as the nighthawk, but I bet it would work just as well. - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Zip code? Huh, you just need a paging company with coverage in the area you need service with.. We ordered our units without the paging service, go to you local paging company and activate the units with them Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Aren't those preprogramed from the factory for specific ZIP CODEs of operation. Thats the reason we didn't go with them, we couldn't just buy a bunch of them and use them, we had to predict in advance where we would use them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
The night hawk units , does this, exactly, it receives a page with a 4 digit code to either turn off, or reset the ac outlet, the good thing about the nighthawks is that you can have as many units with the same capcode and pay just for 1 paging number, each units has a code, that it uses to differentiate from the others... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Are all you wanting to do is reset your equipment? No bells and whistles, just page the pager causes the equipment to reset? - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:35 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Well, the problem is not pocsag or flex ( my last business was paging), historically here in Puerto Rico, numeric paging didn't catch.. PR market was always alphanumeric ( we had a big message center, with lots of operators...what a headache!!!)so, the problem lies in the remaining paging operator is using a Glenayre paging system hooked up to the call attendant system ( he has expanded into a calling center) so all the messages that are transmitted over the paging system (even numeric ones) have time and date stamp, before the message... and this basically kills the nighthawk coding Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot The issue must be a format issue. It appears that the Nighthawk system uses Pocsag, long the leader in paging formats. Some paging systems do not use Pocsag (Very few do not have the capabilty to use Pocsag, but there are some out there) and the Nighthawk would not appear to be compatable with a pure FLEX, two tone, or other format system. It would not take much to take a flex pager (Or whatever format that system uses) and have it trip a relay though, which could reset your system. Tie a transistor to the LED, have it switch a relay. You could do that with any format, all you would need is a pager from the system, and a little thought. Not as pretty as the nighthawk, but I bet it would work just as well. - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Zip code? Huh, you just need a paging company with coverage in the area you need service with.. We ordered our units without the paging service, go to you local paging company and activate the units with them Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Aren't those preprogramed from the factory for specific ZIP CODEs of operation. Thats the reason we didn't go with them, we couldn't just buy a bunch of them and use them, we had to predict in advance where we would use them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
That makes sense. There are other options out there, one would be use a local Community Repeater (If you are not familiar with them, your local two way radio dealer would be) Put an encoder in your office, used you could put one together with a radio and power supply for under 1k, and Motorola Minitor II pagers at each site that you need to reset. Each site would have a distinctive cap code, which you could reset at will. The reason I use Minitor II units, and not newer MIII through MV, is the Minitor II units work great, and are available with a charger unit that also has a relay assembly built in. This would give you probably 50-60 mile coverage, or more. Just a thought. Or, with paging systems so cheap on the used market now, just put up your own, don't call it paging call it scada so that you can get frequencies. A single site now a days can be had for under 1k, and a paging controller for less than that. - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot The night hawk units , does this, exactly, it receives a page with a 4 digit code to either turn off, or reset the ac outlet, the good thing about the nighthawks is that you can have as many units with the same capcode and pay just for 1 paging number, each units has a code, that it uses to differentiate from the others... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Business Value
I may be splitting with my partner in the coming months. We'll have to come up with a buy-out agreement. Has anyone got experience with valuating WISP businesses? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Assembly Bill 892 and Senate Bill 483, AKA Broadband Deployment Act
Providers would have to make about $150 million in equipment investments in order to collect the full amount of the credit. What good is that. I'm not sure anyone other than the ILEC or Comcast would qualify for that one. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] Assembly Bill 892 and Senate Bill 483,AKA Broadband Deployment Act All, Who are they targeting for this tax incentive? As quoted from the article: To be eligible for the credits, Internet access providers would be required to make an investment that is reasonably calculated by the Department of Commerce to increase broadband Internet availability in areas of the state not served by an Internet access provider. Communications providers that deploy broadband services in underserved communities would receive a state sales and use-tax exemption of up to 5.5 percent for three years, or 16.5 percent overall. Providers would have to make about $150 million in equipment investments in order to collect the full amount of the credit. Full Article link below; http://wistechnology.com/article.php?id=2904 Regards, Dawn DiPietro --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
Title: FS: Remote Reboot Paging companies, have codes that must be entered into pagers, to identify the area they page to. It might just require pre-configuration, if purchased to use NightHawks low cost paging service. Its like $15 a month + $1 more per each Reboot device, up to 20 units. Most cost effective paging on the planet. Supposedly works with several paging companies. I was told the on;ly way not to assign in advance by ZIP code or region code, was to buy the units in Bulk, but not take delivery, and they would ship the units out individually aswe determined where we wanted them configured for. Maybe that was jsut for if we were usingtheir paging service as well as the Units. IfI can reprogram them then I might be interested in them. Offlist, send me how much you want for them. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Zip code? Huh, you just need a paging company with coverage in the area you need service with . We ordered our units without the paging service, go to you local paging company and activate the units with them Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggiSent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:43 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Aren't those preprogramed from the factory for specific ZIP CODEs of operation. Thats the reason we didn't go with them, we couldn't just buy a bunch of them and use them, we had to predict in advance where we would use them. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'Trango TechSupport' ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot FS : Nighthawk system NH1 Pager based remote AC rebooter with vhf paging receiver, 6 units available, great price Offlist for more info For sale cause couldnt make it work with local alphanumeric paging company, just works with numeric service Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
I wouldn imagine using that to cover a 100 x 35 mile island jeje We used to have 22 paging transmitter sites in VHF 157.740 to cover the island, most transmitting 400 -500 watts..and even then we had dead spots! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot I know that motorola, and even radio shack used to make a small paging system. You could use that too, and just ditch out on the monthly bill. Here is a motorola Alphamate 250, I do not know if you can connect to a phone or not. http://cgi.ebay.com/Motorola-Alphamate-250-Pager-hub-Paging-keyboard-qwerty_W0QQitemZ8800988165QQcategoryZ51093QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Radio Shack: http://cgi.ebay.com/Radio-Shack-Paging-System-and-11-pagers_W0QQitemZ9718515135QQcategoryZ3314QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:24:13 -0500 Theissuemustbeaformatissue.ItappearsthattheNighthawk systemusesPocsag,longtheleaderinpagingformats. SomepagingsystemsdonotusePocsag(Veryfewdonothave thecapabiltytousePocsag,buttherearesomeoutthere) andtheNighthawkwouldnotappeartobecompatablewith apureFLEX,twotone,orotherformatsystem. Itwouldnottakemuchtotakeaflexpager(Orwhateverformat thatsystemuses)andhaveittriparelaythough,whichcouldreset yoursystem.TieatransistortotheLED,haveitswitcharelay. Youcoulddothatwithanyformat,allyouwouldneedisapager fromthesystem,andalittlethought.Notasprettyasthenighthawk, butIbetitwouldworkjustaswell. -OriginalMessage- From:GinoA.Villarini[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:'WISPAGeneralList'wireless@wispa.org Sent:Thursday,April27,20067:34AM Subject:RE:[WISPA]FS:RemoteReboot Zipcode?Huh,youjustneedapagingcompanywithcoverageinthearea you needservicewith..Weorderedourunitswithoutthepagingservice,goto youlocalpagingcompanyandactivatetheunitswiththem GinoA.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] AeronetWirelessBroadbandCorp. tel787.273.4143fax787.273.4145 _ From:[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On BehalfOfTomDeReggi Sent:Thursday,April27,20063:43AM To:WISPAGeneralList Subject:Re:[WISPA]FS:RemoteReboot Aren'tthosepreprogramedfromthefactoryforspecificZIPCODEsof operation. Thatsthereasonwedidn'tgowiththem,wecouldn'tjustbuyabunchof themandusethem,wehadtopredictinadvancewherewewouldusethem. TomDeReggi RapidDSLWireless,Inc IntAirNet-FixedWirelessBroadband -- WISPAWirelessList:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot
The Alphamate is strictly a input device, it has no transmitter. The Radio Schlouqe system is... Well, very short range, and I believe (Althought I could be wrong on this point) two tone, not the pocsag that the Nighthawk requires. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: RE: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot I know that motorola, and even radio shack used to make a small paging system. You could use that too, and just ditch out on the monthly bill. Here is a motorola Alphamate 250, I do not know if you can connect to a phone or not. http://cgi.ebay.com/Motorola-Alphamate-250-Pager-hub-Paging-keyboard-qwerty_W0QQitemZ8800988165QQcategoryZ51093QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Radio Shack: http://cgi.ebay.com/Radio-Shack-Paging-System-and-11-pagers_W0QQitemZ9718515135QQcategoryZ3314QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:24:13 -0500 The issue must be a format issue. It appears that the Nighthawk system uses Pocsag, long the leader in paging formats. Some paging systems do not use Pocsag (Very few do not have the capabilty to use Pocsag, but there are some out there) and the Nighthawk would not appear to be compatable with a pure FLEX, two tone, or other format system. It would not take much to take a flex pager (Or whatever format that system uses) and have it trip a relay though, which could reset your system. Tie a transistor to the LED, have it switch a relay. You could do that with any format, all you would need is a pager from the system, and a little thought. Not as pretty as the nighthawk, but I bet it would work just as well. - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FS: Remote RebootZip code? Huh, you just need a paging company with coverage in the area you need service with.. We ordered our units without the paging service, go to you local paging company and activate the units with them Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145_ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: Remote Reboot Aren't those preprogramed from the factory for specific ZIP CODEs of operation. Thats the reason we didn't go with them, we couldn't just buy a bunch of them and use them, we had to predict in advance where we would use them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
OFFLIST Re: [WISPA] Business Value
Call me. 269 838 8338 Brian Mark Nash wrote: I may be splitting with my partner in the coming months. We'll have to come up with a buy-out agreement. Has anyone got experience with valuating WISP businesses? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: OFFLIST Re: [WISPA] Business Value
Hey look everybody. I send offlist emails onlist. :) doh! Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Call me. 269 838 8338 Brian Mark Nash wrote: I may be splitting with my partner in the coming months. We'll have to come up with a buy-out agreement. Has anyone got experience with valuating WISP businesses? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] REVISED - Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map DONE!
I'm not kidding Robert, I applaud your efforts, but if you want a usable product, you need to get either a faster server or a faster hosting service. Adding sites to this is excruciating. I have plenty of bandwidth on my end so I would guess the problem is on your end still. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office [EMAIL PROTECTED] Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] REVISED - Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map DONE! Funny Guys.. really fuy Rick! any hows... my goal here is to get the public the RIGHT kind of internet service for their needs... True MOBILE Broadband Synch / low latency is still years off... so... Im planning to add a note: for FIXED Wireless Broadband, contact a WISP. for Mobile Wireless Internet, contact evdo-coverage.com A WISP can deliver much faster connection speeds than EVDO at wire line latencies. 3g Such as EVDO and HSDPA are only medium speed on the download stream and thin band on the uploads. Can You Guys gimme any speeds to quote??? ps... thanks for the free hosting offer... suuuper cool of you JohnnyO! will advise re hover text..: in Satelite mode.. the hover text is clear.. so i gotta do a conditional color filter... Newest Revision Alpha Version: http://map.wirelessinternetcoverage.com On 4/26/06, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lol On 4/26/06 11:40 AM, Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, Are you hosting this site on an EVDO connection? Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://wireless-internet-coverage.blogspot.com http://evdo-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Assembly Bill 892 and Senate Bill 483, AKA Broadband Deployment Act
Tom, Exactly! Regards, Dawn DiPietro Tom DeReggi wrote: Providers would have to make about $150 million in equipment investments in order to collect the full amount of the credit. What good is that. I'm not sure anyone other than the ILEC or Comcast would qualify for that one. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] Assembly Bill 892 and Senate Bill 483,AKA Broadband Deployment Act All, Who are they targeting for this tax incentive? As quoted from the article: To be eligible for the credits, Internet access providers would be required to make an investment that is reasonably calculated by the Department of Commerce to increase broadband Internet availability in areas of the state not served by an Internet access provider. Communications providers that deploy broadband services in underserved communities would receive a state sales and use-tax exemption of up to 5.5 percent for three years, or 16.5 percent overall. Providers would have to make about $150 million in equipment investments in order to collect the full amount of the credit. Full Article link below; http://wistechnology.com/article.php?id=2904 Regards, Dawn DiPietro --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Business Value
Hi Mark, I don't have time to get into the deep details right now. I can probably help with this if you'd like. I've done some valuations based on income, customer base etc. Standard business stuff would put your company value at 1.2 to 2x annual earnings. OR 3 to 5 x annual profit (probably not much of that if you're growing well). With a wisp, it gets more complicated because most wisps are growing fast and are just starting to get into the profit mode. So the value of the company won't even hit most guys for a couple more years. shrug I've also seen WISPs get paid for the number of homes passed in addition to the above. The last valuation I did I took the number of customers possible on the hardware installed, cut that down to more reasonable numbers (100 users per ap), figured a moderate growth rate (max of 4 per day after 3 years) and came up with an expected customer base in 36 months. That's the point that I put a value on the company. I used 1.5x annual earnings. At this point the company would have been HUGELY profitable though. (started out with 1 install per day, ramped that up by 1 every 6 months or so) *I* think I had a reasonable growth rate (market size was nearly 1,000,000 people much of which had NO broadband) and left room for several competitors to gain market share. On a partnership breakup it gets more difficult. No one probably has any money (or they'd not be fighting so much in the first place). One guy usually put up all the funding and the other one did all of the work. There are hard feelings and often friendships on the line. In those cases about all you can do is to take the income today and use that for the value. Or one partner can agree to go silent and let the other one carry on with business. Tough stuff either way. Hope that helps. Feel free to call if you'd like to talk it over some more. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] Business Value I may be splitting with my partner in the coming months. We'll have to come up with a buy-out agreement. Has anyone got experience with valuating WISP businesses? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Business Value
Thanks Marlon... For the record, it's not a rough split between me and my partner. He's got a more profitable business going, he's put up money for the wireless business, he's 53 and going to retire when he's 55, so he wants to focus on his other business. That's what I would do if I were him. The money he put in is easy to account for and pay back, but he has also put in a considerable amount of unpaid time and he'd like to realize some benefit from that, and I should honor that in the split. Makes sense. So I'm trying to figure out what's reasonable to offer for his part in all of this. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business Value Hi Mark, I don't have time to get into the deep details right now. I can probably help with this if you'd like. I've done some valuations based on income, customer base etc. Standard business stuff would put your company value at 1.2 to 2x annual earnings. OR 3 to 5 x annual profit (probably not much of that if you're growing well). With a wisp, it gets more complicated because most wisps are growing fast and are just starting to get into the profit mode. So the value of the company won't even hit most guys for a couple more years. shrug I've also seen WISPs get paid for the number of homes passed in addition to the above. The last valuation I did I took the number of customers possible on the hardware installed, cut that down to more reasonable numbers (100 users per ap), figured a moderate growth rate (max of 4 per day after 3 years) and came up with an expected customer base in 36 months. That's the point that I put a value on the company. I used 1.5x annual earnings. At this point the company would have been HUGELY profitable though. (started out with 1 install per day, ramped that up by 1 every 6 months or so) *I* think I had a reasonable growth rate (market size was nearly 1,000,000 people much of which had NO broadband) and left room for several competitors to gain market share. On a partnership breakup it gets more difficult. No one probably has any money (or they'd not be fighting so much in the first place). One guy usually put up all the funding and the other one did all of the work. There are hard feelings and often friendships on the line. In those cases about all you can do is to take the income today and use that for the value. Or one partner can agree to go silent and let the other one carry on with business. Tough stuff either way. Hope that helps. Feel free to call if you'd like to talk it over some more. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] Business Value I may be splitting with my partner in the coming months. We'll have to come up with a buy-out agreement. Has anyone got experience with valuating WISP businesses? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Business Value
Mark at the Chicago Wispnog Charles put on, there was a couple investors that bought and sold wisps. We had a session on it. The way they described the valuation of a wisp brought the price down well under 1x yearly revenue. More like 6 months of revenue cash buyout. They picked everything apart and devalued based on what ever they could find. And there was a couple of wisps who sold their operation for about 1x yearly. One guy said the buyer wanted some of his commercial subs and took the whole thing and even hired him and another seller said he wanted to toss in the towel after fighting with the telco, get a law degree and donate the rest of his life to fighting the telco's I seem to remember that he sold for under 1x with some cash now and paper. Both of these guys were 802.11b wisps. And I think both are still on some of the wireless lists. You might want to ask on the isp-wireless list or part-15 list as well. Seems that wisps with contracts to their customers and a network of Alvarion, Trango, Canopy or similar was more appealing and had a higher value. Maybe this is helpfull. How many subs do you have? George Mark Nash wrote: Thanks Marlon... For the record, it's not a rough split between me and my partner. He's got a more profitable business going, he's put up money for the wireless business, he's 53 and going to retire when he's 55, so he wants to focus on his other business. That's what I would do if I were him. The money he put in is easy to account for and pay back, but he has also put in a considerable amount of unpaid time and he'd like to realize some benefit from that, and I should honor that in the split. Makes sense. So I'm trying to figure out what's reasonable to offer for his part in all of this. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business Value Hi Mark, I don't have time to get into the deep details right now. I can probably help with this if you'd like. I've done some valuations based on income, customer base etc. Standard business stuff would put your company value at 1.2 to 2x annual earnings. OR 3 to 5 x annual profit (probably not much of that if you're growing well). With a wisp, it gets more complicated because most wisps are growing fast and are just starting to get into the profit mode. So the value of the company won't even hit most guys for a couple more years. shrug I've also seen WISPs get paid for the number of homes passed in addition to the above. The last valuation I did I took the number of customers possible on the hardware installed, cut that down to more reasonable numbers (100 users per ap), figured a moderate growth rate (max of 4 per day after 3 years) and came up with an expected customer base in 36 months. That's the point that I put a value on the company. I used 1.5x annual earnings. At this point the company would have been HUGELY profitable though. (started out with 1 install per day, ramped that up by 1 every 6 months or so) *I* think I had a reasonable growth rate (market size was nearly 1,000,000 people much of which had NO broadband) and left room for several competitors to gain market share. On a partnership breakup it gets more difficult. No one probably has any money (or they'd not be fighting so much in the first place). One guy usually put up all the funding and the other one did all of the work. There are hard feelings and often friendships on the line. In those cases about all you can do is to take the income today and use that for the value. Or one partner can agree to go silent and let the other one carry on with business. Tough stuff either way. Hope that helps. Feel free to call if you'd like to talk it over some more. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] Business Value I may be splitting with my partner in the coming months. We'll have to come up with a buy-out agreement. Has anyone got experience with valuating WISP businesses? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Business Value
Nice, especially for small town like JC. George Mark Nash wrote: It's about 180 I think. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Business Value
Yeah...we actually now cover West Eugene all the way up to south of Corvallis all backhauled into one POP in JC. A very large footprint. CPE costs vs. our install fee have just come down to the right price to begin building much faster. We are pushing hard this summer/fall. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business Value Nice, especially for small town like JC. George Mark Nash wrote: It's about 180 I think. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes
Take that article/session with a grain of salt -- as it is being run by an organization that is supported by vendors trying to *sell* the concept of muni-wifi -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes Free Municipal Wi-Fi Service Boosts Economic Development in the City of St. Cloud, FL at http://www.digitalcityexpo.com/agenda.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Business Value
One thing to remember -- when buying and selling a business (or anything for the matter) there has to be benefits on both sides (e.g., a win-win solution) Just as you are trying to maximize all your time and effort put into your company, the buyer needs to be able to see a light at the end of the tunnel (e.g., look at your business from the outside, and, being honest w/ yourself, ask yourself how much you'd be willing to pay for it, given an acceptable risk / reward ratio where you also have other options in investing your money -- e.g., stocks / real estate / etc) From a valuation perspective, if you want $ -- the *good* companies are able to get up to 1.5x annual revenues (e.g., solid stand-alone businesses that are profitable, self sustainalbe, etc -- using a standard residential pure-play WISP business model w/ a $40-60 / month ARPU -- it means you need to have a minimum of at least 1000 customers to make this cut) That said, at 180 customers, the bad news is is that you're probably sitting at a pain point where the value of your business (e.g., what you can realistically sell for) is still far less than what you have invested in it -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business Value Mark at the Chicago Wispnog Charles put on, there was a couple investors that bought and sold wisps. We had a session on it. The way they described the valuation of a wisp brought the price down well under 1x yearly revenue. More like 6 months of revenue cash buyout. They picked everything apart and devalued based on what ever they could find. And there was a couple of wisps who sold their operation for about 1x yearly. One guy said the buyer wanted some of his commercial subs and took the whole thing and even hired him and another seller said he wanted to toss in the towel after fighting with the telco, get a law degree and donate the rest of his life to fighting the telco's I seem to remember that he sold for under 1x with some cash now and paper. Both of these guys were 802.11b wisps. And I think both are still on some of the wireless lists. You might want to ask on the isp-wireless list or part-15 list as well. Seems that wisps with contracts to their customers and a network of Alvarion, Trango, Canopy or similar was more appealing and had a higher value. Maybe this is helpfull. How many subs do you have? George Mark Nash wrote: Thanks Marlon... For the record, it's not a rough split between me and my partner. He's got a more profitable business going, he's put up money for the wireless business, he's 53 and going to retire when he's 55, so he wants to focus on his other business. That's what I would do if I were him. The money he put in is easy to account for and pay back, but he has also put in a considerable amount of unpaid time and he'd like to realize some benefit from that, and I should honor that in the split. Makes sense. So I'm trying to figure out what's reasonable to offer for his part in all of this. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business Value Hi Mark, I don't have time to get into the deep details right now. I can probably help with this if you'd like. I've done some valuations based on income, customer base etc. Standard business stuff would put your company value at 1.2 to 2x annual earnings. OR 3 to 5 x annual profit (probably not much of that if you're growing well). With a wisp, it gets more complicated because most wisps are growing fast and are just starting to get into the profit mode. So the value of the company won't even hit most guys for a couple more years. shrug I've also seen WISPs get paid for the number of homes passed in addition to the above. The last valuation I did I took the number of customers possible on the hardware installed, cut that down to more reasonable numbers (100 users per ap), figured a moderate growth rate (max of 4 per day after 3 years) and came up with an expected customer base in 36 months. That's the point that I put a value on the company. I used 1.5x annual earnings. At this point the company would have been HUGELY profitable though. (started out with 1 install per day, ramped that up by 1 every 6 months or so) *I* think I had a reasonable growth rate (market size was nearly 1,000,000 people much of which had NO broadband) and left room for several competitors to gain market share. On a partnership
