I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it
working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to
do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that
brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful.
I gripe about that almost every day, as in how tight the programming was.
We really didn't have the careless bugs as now. There was no room. The
quality of the software was mostly out of necessity. Now it's all so bloated
with useless junk. These kids these days why back in my day we
Wow! My first thought when you started was not enough power but then read
you changed the power supply. Still sounds like power though. Did you
check the power where you are plugging that supply into? Anything else
running off that circuit like any motors or high surge items? What about
Are you running NStreme as 120 clients seems a lot for an NStreme enabled AP
without wireless-test package? Do you have latency to clients on all radio
cards or just 1? Have you disabled connection tracking and default forward on
the radio cards?
-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy
Correction, a 433ah with a 411 at level 4
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:36 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Wow! My first thought when you started was
I don't have an answer for your real problem, but I may be able to help
with how long it takes to configure a board in the future,
Copy and paste works in a terminal window. However ctrl-c does not.
You can highlight a set of statements, right click-copy and then right
click-paste on the new
Lord rocked, I think I ran that on my spitfire system before we went
to worldgroup. Running deskview so we could run multiple lines on
spitfire. Then roboboard, wow the memories ;)
John Buwa
Michiana Wireless,Inc
574-233-7170
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:55 AM, David E. Smith
When we took over the old Windows to Infinity BBS - ISP it was running
Excalibur.
My earliest achievement that made me so proud, was when we took the last
Excalibur customer off the BBS and moved them over to our portmasters
and killed that BBS.
How in gods name do you guys stay in business if you still haven't found
a stable platform that you know how to configure.
I'm just amazed.
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On 8/24/09, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote:
How in gods name do you guys stay in business if you still haven't found
a stable platform that you know how to configure.
I'm just amazed.
There are still people running bbses just today you telnet to then. :)
Tradewars 2002 and LORD been a while now but still involved with TradeWars.
Still sell 4-5 copies of the Tradewars helper that me and a friend wrote 10+
years ago (still being maintained).
Brings back some memories. I
Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v
they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all
dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the
point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to
Sounds like you have one or more infected customers that are flooding
the AP. Also, 120 customers is not acceptable for a Mikrotik AP. We
keep our MT AP's under 50 people (and try to stay around 30).
Also, you can easily "copy and paste" from one board to another. You do
an "export" from the
If this was one of your remote sites and you suspected virus
activity, would you put a sniffer on the AP? How and with what would
you analyze the problem? What's the best way to be alert to such happenings?
At 08:26 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
Sounds like you have one or more infected customers
For the 4xx boards I use 18v and 24v power supplies. No problems on
either of them.
On 8/24/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with
12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients
started all
Mikrotik has sniffer (and many other) tools to allow you to do this easily.
Whether its on the AP or not depends on your network layout - I myself
would do it on the router for that tower that has more HP but you may not
have that option. I recommend testing in lab locally and figuring it
This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard
for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik
and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if
they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm
Probably power issue with that many cards.
We have a Solar site running a CM-9 in one slot and XR-2 in another
running 12v of course with no problems. :)
Hopefully it stays that way.
-Cameron
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Oh, with a 433AH.
-Cameron
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:36 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Probably power issue with that many
1st lesson; don't try new things (untested hardware combinations) with
remote locations. Don't do upgrades on Friday either, as you might not
have the staff or time to deal with problem potential from surprises
over the weekend. This isn't MT specific advice.
You could try running it on two
Lol. I don't think I have them anymore, but I ran a TriBBS system with 4 nodes
of two DELL 486-33mhz systems with a Simply LANTISTC network, and deskview :)
fun stuff. I had LORD games, but the fav was BRE and SRE. I think one of the
local BBS Directory systems is still in operation to this
Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also
prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers
have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards.
---
This is true with a lot of the RouterBoards that you do not have enough
onboard power source capability to run generally more than two high powered
cards. For example the 400's can only handle about 10watt of external cards
that means the third XR card will kill the system. One thing to keep in
2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual
RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower.
Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/
Character cannot be developed in ease
If you use a high power POE,
http://www.quicklinkwireless.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=TR60A-POE-L that will
alleviate your problem. We have a 600A with 3 XR2's and 2 XR5's, been
in service a very long time (more than a year) without issue.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
I have my MTs email a company Gmail account every week - full binary and
text backup.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur
This goes back to the earlier discussion (different thread) about how
many employees can support how many customers. Investing in programmers
that can build good backend systems and work with things like vendor
API's (mikrotik's is great!), snmp, etc. will save money over time.
When things
/me bows in reverence
ralph wrote:
OK-
As long as we are BBSing, I actually wrote the TIBBSR BBS in the early
1980s and ran the Flagship TIBBS from my home near Atlanta.
I believe that in its heyday, there were over 100 systems running around the
US.
Even though Texas
Wow what an amazing series of responses! As frustrating and how ever much gray
hair I achieved this weekend is now minimized by how much help I got on this
issue, thank you so much, anytime I need validation as to why this is a great
organization, this is the answer right here.
OK the quick
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I really hope they can make it stick.
we have recently implemented soft caps in our TOS - simply so we have some
leverage.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Matt
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:52 AM
To:
Hi,
I thought there was a way to get Census Tract info in batch, but the web
site I thought I used last time gives me Lat and Long. Can anyone
suggest a free site?
Thanks!
Martha
--
Martha Huizenga
DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
*/Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/
Connecting the
As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure
when you change out a card.
I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS.
I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went
out.
This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years.
I
It takes less than one minute to configure an interface?
Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume
its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it
lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents
Scott Carullo
Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but,
I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by
the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the
adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a
160 ft tower you
When we do this we replace the whole box so all the delicate work, pigtail
and connector issues, small screws, gasket issues etc can be dealt with in
the office. If you treat it like any other commercial solution (motorola,
trango etc) you would do the same thing and it would work when you
This is a reminder regarding the upcoming training class on Thursday,
August 27. This wireless course will run about 7 hours and will cover
Mikrotik's Wireless implementations. We will cover using the MT as an
AP, client, nstreme, nstreme dual, WDS and lots more. To get more
information see
Why you have complete APs vs just parts. :)
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website:
Less time on tower.
Pre-tested and known to work.
Less chance of breaking something.
Dennis Burgess wrote:
Why you have complete APs vs just parts. :)
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member -
You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers.
Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still
a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely
could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety
guidelines.
Enclosures with internal part numbers like
Mt5ap
Mt2ap
Mt5hpol
Mt5vpol
Is what I've started doing to help the new guy associate what gear with what AP.
Wish it was all Moto or all MT, but ya know...
On 8/24/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote:
Less time on tower.
Pre-tested and
and all the other things you don't want
to do.
Does hauling everything up the tower so you don't have to count?
lol I prefer laptop duty myself
But in all seriousness you are absolutely right.
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: jp
493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to
a central point anyways.
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP
Canvas bucket, beaners, new enclosure with stuff.
On 8/24/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote:
and all the other things you don't want
to do.
Does hauling everything up the tower so you don't have to count?
lol I prefer laptop duty myself
But in all seriousness you are
Martha Huizenga wrote:
Hi,
I thought there was a way to get Census Tract info in batch, but the web
site I thought I used last time gives me Lat and Long. Can anyone
suggest a free site?
Thanks!
Martha
I don't know of any free sites that will do a batch of addresses, some
out
Do you know what he is using to do the census tract lookup?
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com wrote:
Martha Huizenga wrote:
Hi,
I thought there was a way to get Census Tract info in batch, but the web
site I thought I used last time gives me Lat and
Had something to do with downloading the shape files from the census
site, then using a positioning gadget in Postgres, or something like
that, to determine which tract the point was in.
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
Jon Auer wrote:
Do you know what he is using to do the census tract lookup?
On
That makes sense.
Thank you.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com wrote:
Had something to do with downloading the shape files from the census
site, then using a positioning gadget in Postgres, or something like
that, to determine which tract the point was in.
As the original post described some hell when it came to retyping in MACs
(man that has to make you go insane...) I wanted to add this.
I have my MTs sent an email every week - both text and binary. Binary is
awesome when you have an identical set of hardware - drag, drop, reboot,
done! Text is
You can do a look up using http://www.batchgeocode.com/ which is free. I
thought last year this gave me census tracts, but I must be wrong
because this year, it only gives me lat and long. I wonder if these can
then be translated into census tracts?
Martha Huizenga
DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
This is just ridiculous. I guess if the power company offers BPL and
electricity, and you can get Wireless Internet and Solar Power, the electric
company should not charge more for electrical usage above a certain limit? The
gov't needs either to regulate the Internet or keep their dang nose
Martha,
How much is your time worth? I've been doing batch processing for
WISP's for $100.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
Martha Huizenga wrote:
You can do a look up using http://www.batchgeocode.com/ which is free. I
thought last year this gave me census tracts, but I must be wrong
Martha Huizenga wrote:
You can do a look up using http://www.batchgeocode.com/ which is free. I
thought last year this gave me census tracts, but I must be wrong
because this year, it only gives me lat and long. I wonder if these can
then be translated into census tracts?
Yes, but not
For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I
hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I
am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can
you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is
2009/8/24 Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com:
For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I
hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio.
I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured.
Can you just solder
Jeremy forgot to add:
1. Solder the LMR center conductor to the top of a 6-in long banana.
2. Solder the LMR braid to the top of an 8-in long banana.
3. Submerge both bananas in a two-gallon plastic pail of dill pickle
juice.
4. Once in the pail be sure that the bananas are NOT touching
This year I moved from 1 PC doing everything to 4x RB411AH and 1x 493 just
so I can better troubleshoot problems, which haven't happened in the 90 or
so days of uptime they've had since.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Boy, that goes without saying on my send! Not only for the safety factor
but for the Hey, I grabbed the wrong wrench. Saves lots of time.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM
To:
Do you use a transparent bridge between them and the 493? At first I was
thinking that was a lot for the 411 but if used as just a pass-through to
the switch, that would be a brilliant thing indeed I think. Anyone see any
drawbacks to that? That would certainly isolate all the RF from the other
I could be wrong, but even being "self-employed", you are still subject
to the OSHA rules.
You don't need worker's comp insurance, but I think you still have to
follow the OSHA guidelines.
Travis
Microserv
Robert West wrote:
Boy, that goes without saying on my send! Not only for the
LOL... Do the dill Pickel juice have to be from Kosher Pickel's ?
Faisal Imtiaz
Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:33
Crescent wrench beats all wrenches. Especially if you get the battery
powered one!
On 8/24/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
I could be wrong, but even being self-employed, you are still subject to
the OSHA rules.
You don't need worker's comp insurance, but I think you still have to
Ah, I have the same problem. I asked mike over at UBNT the other day about
that with the Bullet M's. I wanted to know if it was cool to power them up
without antenna because I needed to configure 12 of them and I didn't want
my eyes to melt. He said it was okay for a short period of time..
You sure this isn't the Ham Radio list?
J
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
Jeremy forgot to add:
1. Solder the LMR center
My battery would be dead. They are ALWAYS DEAD!
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Crescent wrench
No as self employed your exempt, as long as what your not doing is not
endangering a employee or creating a hazard to them because you have to provide
a work place to an employee that is free from *recognized* hazards that could
cause harm or death to your employee.
There are three types of
I do the exact same thing and it has been flawless. I use eoip tunnels
from the wireless to the 493 to better separate radios. No perfomance
issues at all.
Bill Gaylord
Robert West wrote:
Do you use a transparent bridge between them and the 493? At first I was
thinking that was a lot for
Why would you use eoip tunnels from the radio to the router when you are
plugging them into the 493 anyway? That seems to reverse what you are
trying to accomplish simplicity and performance wise...
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From:
Ops...better remember to trim the bananas for minimum SWR oh
yeah - the pickle juice should be from kosher dills...
Robert West wrote:
You sure this isn't the Ham Radio list?
J
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Mostly because many of my sites begin as a 433 on the tower with 2
radios and nothing on the ground. As the site grows, I move the routing
functions to the ground into something with more power. Sometimes a PC
based MT, other times a 433AH. I then will use 2 tunnels to separate
the two
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 05:10:06PM -0400, Steve Barnes wrote:
For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the
bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time
I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not
buying preconfigured.
You can strip the shield back on coax like suggested, but you stand
the chance of having too high of a standing wave ratio and harming the RF amp.
You can just keep a couple rubber duckies with the right gender
changer on the bench, or terminate to a proper dummy load like these:
I got my Trash 80 in 1978 when I was just out of high school. The
16k upgrade was a buget buster. -RickG
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
Oh, god no! I bought so much TRS-80 crap that in 1998, the manager of my
local Radio Shack called me up and
LOL, the VIC-20 was my upgrade from the TRS-80. Never got the
floppy. Just went straight to the IBM PCjr for the color sound.
-RickG
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
I wrote my first BBS software to work/go live on a Commodore Vic-20, and
150kb
The first thing I was taught, many years ago, was never do high work
alone.
jp wrote:
You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers.
Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still
a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very
He says that cool as a cucumber! -RickG
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
Ops...better remember to trim the bananas for minimum SWR oh
yeah - the pickle juice should be from kosher dills...
Robert West wrote:
You sure this isn't the Ham Radio list?
I thought a dummy load was this thread! ducking
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Scott Lambertlamb...@lambertfam.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 05:10:06PM -0400, Steve Barnes wrote:
For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the
bench. I hate having to hook up a
Hi All,
Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I need a lot of
help.
I've never done a solar project. Never really even looked at them due to
the costs I've seen tossed about.
Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment
needed to cover his
My mechanic does a LOT of snow mobiling. He and his buddies all have a gps
unit with a built in walkie talkie. Very cool. It uses a rechargeable
battery that he says easily lasts a day. I think it'll use AA batteries too
in a pinch.
That's what I've been thinking of getting. It's a bit
I use the Garmin Rinos.
Street/Topo mapping/logging GPS's combined with a GMRS 2-way radios
and a bunch of other stuff. My favorite is the 530.
Way cool toys.
My advice is always free and worth every penny!
-Christopher Erickson
Network Design Engineer
5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529
When you are done compiling your list share the final back out please.
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:10 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Hi Marlon,
Solar isn't that hard we just need to look at a details to figure out what is
required and move on from there
here are details to figure out about solar to make sure it works right
1. figure out how many watt-hours a day he will need for MT radio. Average and
maximum watt-hours
2.
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