Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
I don't see LTE being developed for other markets than cellcos Don't expect a LTE system for EBS spectrum Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 30, 2009, at 3:00 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the deployment -- you or the government =) With or without government stimulus I'm curious of the lists' general consensus on whether or not WiMAX is worthwhile investment in this 'war' of LTE vs WiMAX. Having Uncle Sam foot the bill on a deployment definitely lowers / removes the financial barrier, but doesn't really matter if deploying WiMAX is a foolish endeavor from the get-go due to lack of customer demand or vendors ceasing development. I believe WiMAX has an opportunity to be commercially viable at least for a couple of years, and I don't see any reason to not take advantage of that fact. But, what do I know. Consider this a question solely for the sake of debate. -- Blake Covarrubias --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Sounds like you gave a choice for the answer, if the government does, then you have, twice. WIMAX equipment cost is the entry block. As broadband needs keep growing, you'll see an increased number of smaller wisp cells using equipment such as UBNT. That is until the government uses your money to give to the big three under the guise that America needs it to solve the health care, unemployment, terrorist problems. -- Original Message -- From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:18:48 -0600 LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and even less mass development. Do you see any point in small BRS/EBS (MMDS/ITFS) license holders deploying 802.16e in these frequency bands? Hi Blake, I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the deployment -- you or the government =) -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Depends... are you deploying WiMAX for fixed operation or for mobile operation with self install kits, etc. If Fixed... then yes I think it has a future. Professional installs, and better QoS in typically virgin spectrum ='s opportunity. If not... then I don't think a WISP (as we probably define it) is ever really going to be profitable with it. Self-installs on wireless gear have problems in their own right (look at all of the Clearwire horror stories, and they get to use the EBS spectrum) and mobility is doomed because they will probably only be mobile within your footprint, which for most WISP's isn't that big (why pay xxx amount to only be able to roam in city x when I could pay xxx for LTE/3G and roam across the country). 802.16e in its pure form IMHO is only going to work for carriers like Open Range and Clearwire utilizing 2.5GHz licensed spectrum. But what about Motorola's new product? Remember it's a fixed 802.16e, so you don't get the benefits of mobility, no indoor CPE's are planned as far as I know, but it is supposed to pay off in NLOS situations (which is anecdotal until we can get gear on a tower and test). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the deployment -- you or the government =) With or without government stimulus I'm curious of the lists' general consensus on whether or not WiMAX is worthwhile investment in this 'war' of LTE vs WiMAX. Having Uncle Sam foot the bill on a deployment definitely lowers / removes the financial barrier, but doesn't really matter if deploying WiMAX is a foolish endeavor from the get-go due to lack of customer demand or vendors ceasing development. I believe WiMAX has an opportunity to be commercially viable at least for a couple of years, and I don't see any reason to not take advantage of that fact. But, what do I know. Consider this a question solely for the sake of debate. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: moto Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean they are talking about comming out with? In WISP time, there is a big difference. Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at current Canopy level price points. But that is an if. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Less? Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, less throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't get any hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards, since those are only applicable to licensed bands. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: moto Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean they are talking about comming out with? In WISP time, there is a big difference. Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at current Canopy level price points. But that is an if. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Less? Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? All .16e
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche "off track" owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sure what any of that has to do with Wimax??? 3-dB Networks wrote: Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Gino Villarini" g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Cc: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "Tom DeReggi" wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "3-dB Networks" wi...@3-db.net To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi" wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: moto Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean they are talking about comming out with? In WISP time, there is a big difference. Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at current Canopy level price points. But that is an if. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" g...@aeronetpr.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Cc: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Less? Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Why is your basic criteria .16e
Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas
I don't think you have to register your cpe. The anti competitive nature of that is very clear. Chris Twoomey would know for sure though. marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas I think we will have to. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas Are you registering all of your fixed CPEs? Jerry Richardson wrote: Here is the process: 1. Look up grandfathered stations here: http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650/grandftr.pdf 2. Find the contact by looking up the license via the call sign 3. Contact the station to see if they will grant you a general approval i.e. you can use 3.65GHz but if it causes us interference you need to turn it off/fix it. etc 4. If the Earth Station requests more info, you may need to supply GPS location of the base station and or CPEs, radio type/Tx power, antenna type, gain, elevation, azimuth, etc. Sprint used ComSearch so I had to provide all details. 5. Once you get the Earth Stations to sign off, then apply for your license - it's pretty much automatic. It took about 3 days for me to get approved. 6. Once you have your license, you need to enter your base stations and attach your waivers (which I have not done yet). Hope that helps. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas Jerry I'd like to know how you found the local earth stations in your area? I would like to also know the surrent status of your request as I would like to follow suite here in my area. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:16 PM To: motor...@afmug.com motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas I'm filling out the application for a license in a grandfathered zone. During the application proceess, there is a section asking if I am requesting a Waiver of the Commissions' Rules. Does this apply to grandfathered areas or is this something else? I have approval letters from the earth stations in the area. As I understand it, I only need to provide the letters when submitting the sites. Thanks in advance [cid:image001.gif@01CA824D.667F6C80] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Maybe one can outrun 802.16e? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche off track owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sure what any of that has to do with Wimax??? 3-dB Networks wrote: Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks mailto:wi...@3-db.net wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Tom DeReggi mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: moto Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean they are talking about comming out with? In WISP time, there is a big difference. Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at current Canopy level price points. But that is an if. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA
[WISPA] Painting Radome
UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Its started comparing Motorola up coming Wimax 802.16e MiMO with Ubiquity MIMO Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche off track owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sure what any of that has to do with Wimax??? 3-dB Networks wrote: Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net mailto:wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Bret, If you follow the thread, the corvette was the $89 Ubiquity AP and the Porsche is the $3,500 WiMAX AP. Someone else made the reference, not me. Anyways, the argument is that for $89 your AP is more likely to break so to speak, spend the extra money you get a higher quality product. While I love Corvettes myself, you can't argue that a Porsche is generally better engineered. Sorry that I wasn't clear Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche off track owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sure what any of that has to do with Wimax??? 3-dB Networks wrote: Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks mailto:wi...@3-db.net wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Tom DeReggi mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: moto Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really
Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
To test for metal perform this experiment in a microwave that is not owned by you. (that last part is key!) Spray on paper plate, allow to dry, place in microwave for 10 seconds. Press start. Sparks? There is metal in that there paint. No Sparks? Pretty sure it is free of metal! ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Freeside import
Sorry to bother everyone again with a freeside question, but has anyone ever successfully imported data using a csv file into freeside? If so, could you hit me off list. Regards, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
Hey, good tip, Ryan! We're used to sparks in the microwave. We do experiments as it is. The kids favorite is making plasma balls with grapes. We have an odd household.. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome To test for metal perform this experiment in a microwave that is not owned by you. (that last part is key!) Spray on paper plate, allow to dry, place in microwave for 10 seconds. Press start. Sparks? There is metal in that there paint. No Sparks? Pretty sure it is free of metal! ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
I've heard of using the microwave for testing plastics and other materials as well as paint. I've heard that sparks are one thing to look for but another and perhaps equally as important is heat. For example, if you want to make your own radome take a piece of plastic and put it in the microwave. If it gets warm it's no good. Greg On Dec 30, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: To test for metal perform this experiment in a microwave that is not owned by you. (that last part is key!) Spray on paper plate, allow to dry, place in microwave for 10 seconds. Press start. Sparks? There is metal in that there paint. No Sparks? Pretty sure it is free of metal! ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] CRM Integration with Platypus
Anyone integrating a Sales oriented CRM with Plat? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
Ever nuked a CD-ROM? The metal gets hot, liquefies the plastic that quickly cools when you press stop. You get some pretty cool lightning bolt patterns. ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Hey, good tip, Ryan! We're used to sparks in the microwave. We do experiments as it is. The kids favorite is making plasma balls with grapes. We have an odd household.. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome To test for metal perform this experiment in a microwave that is not owned by you. (that last part is key!) Spray on paper plate, allow to dry, place in microwave for 10 seconds. Press start. Sparks? There is metal in that there paint. No Sparks? Pretty sure it is free of metal! ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
Yeah. There was a time when we looked forward to getting those AOL discs in the mail. One of the few families who liked getting them -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome Ever nuked a CD-ROM? The metal gets hot, liquefies the plastic that quickly cools when you press stop. You get some pretty cool lightning bolt patterns. ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Hey, good tip, Ryan! We're used to sparks in the microwave. We do experiments as it is. The kids favorite is making plasma balls with grapes. We have an odd household.. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome To test for metal perform this experiment in a microwave that is not owned by you. (that last part is key!) Spray on paper plate, allow to dry, place in microwave for 10 seconds. Press start. Sparks? There is metal in that there paint. No Sparks? Pretty sure it is free of metal! ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
They make cheap clay pigeons. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome Yeah. There was a time when we looked forward to getting those AOL discs in the mail. One of the few families who liked getting them -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome Ever nuked a CD-ROM? The metal gets hot, liquefies the plastic that quickly cools when you press stop. You get some pretty cool lightning bolt patterns. ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Hey, good tip, Ryan! We're used to sparks in the microwave. We do experiments as it is. The kids favorite is making plasma balls with grapes. We have an odd household.. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome To test for metal perform this experiment in a microwave that is not owned by you. (that last part is key!) Spray on paper plate, allow to dry, place in microwave for 10 seconds. Press start. Sparks? There is metal in that there paint. No Sparks? Pretty sure it is free of metal! ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob
On 2009-12-30 10:31, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Does anyone have any experience with having an attack done on your domain where the sender spoofs the header and then puts your domain in it as the sender. I think this is called a JoeJob and we are getting 1000's of the bounced messages because of it and are now having difficulty sending to some of the bigger email providers like aol, yahoo, and hotmail. I tracked the originating IP down to somewhere in Asia and reported them to the holder of the Whois information there. Anything else I can do? BarricadeMX has a mechanism for that. All the outgoing mail must go through it, though, to be able to make it work. http://www.fsl.com/index.php/barricademx/barricademx It also works very, very well to cut inbound spam. Regards, Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
Hi, We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users. We have a 60mbps pipe from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help. What are you guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents. Thanks in advance. Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob
Does anyone have any experience with having an attack done on your domain where the sender spoofs the header and then puts your domain in it as the sender. I think this is called a JoeJob and we are getting 1000's of the bounced messages because of it and are now having difficulty sending to some of the bigger email providers like aol, yahoo, and hotmail. I tracked the originating IP down to somewhere in Asia and reported them to the holder of the Whois information there. Anything else I can do? Setup an SPF record. http://www.openspf.org/ Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
What kind of equipment do you have? The best place to limit is the CPE. On 12/30/09, Ugo Bellavance u...@lubik.ca wrote: Hi, We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users. We have a 60mbps pipe from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help. What are you guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents. Thanks in advance. Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
We use an Allot NetEnforcer for bandwidth limiting. We do not do any policy enforcement aka unlimited download/upload at advertised rate. On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Ugo Bellavance u...@lubik.ca wrote: Hi, We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users. We have a 60mbps pipe from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help. What are you guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents. Thanks in advance. Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: moto Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean they are talking about comming out with? In WISP time, there is a big difference. Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at current Canopy level price points. But that is an
Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution
On 2009-07-13 20:08, Don Grossman wrote: It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution. Currently we are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be resolved. I tend to use a mix of: - clamav-milter (with unofficial signatures) - spamassassin-milter - sendmail tweaks http://www.technoids.org/dossed.html - MailScanner For a more corporate-ready product, FSL is doing excellent products. http://www.fsl.com/ BarricadeMX is very interesting, as it does everything at the SMTP phase, which is very efficient. Regards, Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
On 2009-12-30 16:28, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of equipment do you have? A firewall, managed switches, Ubiquiti and Skypilot antennas. The best place to limit is the CPE. We don't have CPEs, users simply use their own wireless NICs. We're about to change our access points, though. We are currently using SOHO access points. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/TransparentTrafficShaper will get you started for pennies. Then you can grow from there. ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Ugo Bellavance u...@lubik.ca wrote: On 2009-12-30 16:28, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of equipment do you have? A firewall, managed switches, Ubiquiti and Skypilot antennas. The best place to limit is the CPE. We don't have CPEs, users simply use their own wireless NICs. We're about to change our access points, though. We are currently using SOHO access points. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in about, 2020 or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To:
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Unimog. Forget speed, just get there. :) ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in about, 2020 or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Good point Matt, except for dropping the topand 3x the money! But as a true ragtop lover (I've had 5 over the years), it is hard for me to not have one. Gotta get my vitamin D somehow. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in about, 2020 or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.ht m Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
For that i have my Nissan Pathfinder Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/ index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: moto Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Are we still talking about WiMax? Me thinks this thread hath strayed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Good point Matt, except for dropping the topand 3x the money! But as a true ragtop lover (I've had 5 over the years), it is hard for me to not have one. Gotta get my vitamin D somehow. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in about, 2020 or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.ht m Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
I was close to buying a GL550 the other day. Dave Ramsey drives one, so it must be fiscally ok, right? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in about, 2020 or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is
Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution
We have a mailfoundry, no failures in the 1.5 years it's served as a gateway, plus no per domain/user fees. Development seems to have stalled on it though, no new OS releases in a year. It is cost effective, reliable and flexible and easily managed, coming from the MailScanner/Spamassassin world it's a joy. Regards Michael Baird On 2009-07-13 20:08, Don Grossman wrote: It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution. Currently we are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be resolved. I tend to use a mix of: - clamav-milter (with unofficial signatures) - spamassassin-milter - sendmail tweaks http://www.technoids.org/dossed.html - MailScanner For a more corporate-ready product, FSL is doing excellent products. http://www.fsl.com/ BarricadeMX is very interesting, as it does everything at the SMTP phase, which is very efficient. Regards, Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Hey, we are all winding down from a long year... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Are we still talking about WiMax? Me thinks this thread hath strayed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Good point Matt, except for dropping the topand 3x the money! But as a true ragtop lover (I've had 5 over the years), it is hard for me to not have one. Gotta get my vitamin D somehow. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in about, 2020 or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.ht m Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
funny I figured most people on this list would prefer American Made me I'll take my Ford Expedition and my Harley for fun - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear For that i have my Nissan Pathfinder Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/ index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday,
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
no worries. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Hey, we are all winding down from a long year... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Are we still talking about WiMax? Me thinks this thread hath strayed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Good point Matt, except for dropping the topand 3x the money! But as a true ragtop lover (I've had 5 over the years), it is hard for me to not have one. Gotta get my vitamin D somehow. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in about, 2020 or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.ht m Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
the equivalent would a x86 based mikrotik with 9 mini-pci slots (3 each for 2.4, 3.65, and 5.8), 4 gigbit wired interfaces, a gbic port, and running the dude On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: moto Did
Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution
We still love (and beat the heck out of) can-it from Roaring Penguin. http://www.roaringpenguin.com/ On 12/30/2009 2:58 PM, Michael Baird wrote: We have a mailfoundry, no failures in the 1.5 years it's served as a gateway, plus no per domain/user fees. Development seems to have stalled on it though, no new OS releases in a year. It is cost effective, reliable and flexible and easily managed, coming from the MailScanner/Spamassassin world it's a joy. Regards Michael Baird On 2009-07-13 20:08, Don Grossman wrote: It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution. Currently we are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be resolved. I tend to use a mix of: - clamav-milter (with unofficial signatures) - spamassassin-milter - sendmail tweaks http://www.technoids.org/dossed.html - MailScanner For a more corporate-ready product, FSL is doing excellent products. http://www.fsl.com/ BarricadeMX is very interesting, as it does everything at the SMTP phase, which is very efficient. Regards, Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
On 2009-12-30 16:38, Ryan Spott wrote: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/TransparentTrafficShaper will get you started for pennies. Then you can grow from there. Thanks, Our firewall is a Pfsense and I think it can do something similar... What is the hardware required for the above setup? Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
We do it at the CPE. But depends on what you are using. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ugo Bellavance Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:19 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement Hi, We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users. We have a 60mbps pipe from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help. What are you guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents. Thanks in advance. Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
I have an old 1984 Litton Microwave that you can put metal in. It even came with a metal rack in it. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:27:33 -0500 Hey, good tip, Ryan! We're used to sparks in the microwave. We do experiments as it is. The kids favorite is making plasma balls with grapes. We have an odd household.. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome To test for metal perform this experiment in a microwave that is not owned by you. (that last part is key!) Spray on paper plate, allow to dry, place in microwave for 10 seconds. Press start. Sparks? There is metal in that there paint. No Sparks? Pretty sure it is free of metal! ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
Mikrotik does a much better job of bandwidth management than pfSense though there is a bit more of a learning curve but don't let that scare you. All the talk of the Mikrotik learning curve put me off for too long till I finally decided I had to make the leap. Like jumping off the high dive it always seems terrifying before you jump and once you've done it it's nothing. Greg On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote: On 2009-12-30 16:38, Ryan Spott wrote: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/TransparentTrafficShaper will get you started for pennies. Then you can grow from there. Thanks, Our firewall is a Pfsense and I think it can do something similar... What is the hardware required for the above setup? Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
Uh.. Dell GX150 i think? It has a celeron slow as heck processor. I found it near a dumpster at some point. The license cost me $45. Originally I used it to find the bandwidth hogs, now I control them with it. Wonderful stuff I tell you! ryan On Dec 30, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote: On 2009-12-30 16:38, Ryan Spott wrote: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/TransparentTrafficShaper will get you started for pennies. Then you can grow from there. Thanks, Our firewall is a Pfsense and I think it can do something similar... What is the hardware required for the above setup? Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
Metal is fine in a microwave if it is carefully crafted to be the correct non-destructive RF length in all directions. It wasn't a special capability of the Litton Microwave Oven. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome I have an old 1984 Litton Microwave that you can put metal in. It even came with a metal rack in it. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:27:33 -0500 Hey, good tip, Ryan! We're used to sparks in the microwave. We do experiments as it is. The kids favorite is making plasma balls with grapes. We have an odd household.. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome To test for metal perform this experiment in a microwave that is not owned by you. (that last part is key!) Spray on paper plate, allow to dry, place in microwave for 10 seconds. Press start. Sparks? There is metal in that there paint. No Sparks? Pretty sure it is free of metal! ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Blackberry email problems
We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries. The calls started on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely. No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this problem. Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems
2009/12/30 Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com: We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries. The calls started on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely. No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this problem. Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues. RIM recently (as in about a week ago) had some major outages, could be that whatever broke didn't get fixed for you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems
Try sending one to me - jluth...@att.blackberry.net It works to/from Gmail which is all use as of 2 minutes ago. On 12/30/09, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries. The calls started on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely. No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this problem. Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
If not... then I don't think a WISP (as we probably define it) is ever really going to be profitable with it. Off the top of my head, I know of 5 WISPs that are still deploy pre-WiMAX systems in the 2.5 GHz band and are doing quite nicely (and they aren't Clearwire / Digital Bridge type businesses where they're losing a ton of money) The average size of these guys is about 7,000 wireless customers in their respective markets In addition, when you dive into their financials, while their up-front CAPEX is significantly higher (due to the overbuild model of most 2.5 GHz systems) -- their operational and maintenance costs are significantly lower due to the fact that 1. They're not constantly dealing with interference and all the other gotchas that occur with Part 15 2. Many of them are able to utilize self-installs due to drastically increased power levels But what about Motorola's new product? Remember it's a fixed 802.16e, so you don't get the benefits of mobility, no indoor CPE's are planned as far as I know, but it is supposed to pay off in NLOS situations (which is anecdotal until we can get gear on a tower and test). There's actually 2 variants of this -- a fixed 802.16e that operates in 3.65, and their mobile product that operates in 2.5/2.3 -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the deployment -- you or the government =) With or without government stimulus I'm curious of the lists' general consensus on whether or not WiMAX is worthwhile investment in this 'war' of LTE vs WiMAX. Having Uncle Sam foot the bill on a deployment definitely lowers / removes the financial barrier, but doesn't really matter if deploying WiMAX is a foolish endeavor from the get-go due to lack of customer demand or vendors ceasing development. I believe WiMAX has an opportunity to be commercially viable at least for a couple of years, and I don't see any reason to not take advantage of that fact. But, what do I know. Consider this a question solely for the sake of debate. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 07:33 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I don't think you have to register your cpe. The anti competitive nature of that is very clear. Hi Marlon...I believe any fixed CPE needs to be registered. Especially in a no-fly zone (grandfather area) the incumbents want to know where all transmitters are, etc. Leon Chris Twoomey would know for sure though. marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas I think we will have to. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas Are you registering all of your fixed CPEs? Jerry Richardson wrote: Here is the process: 1. Look up grandfathered stations here: http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650/grandftr.pdf 2. Find the contact by looking up the license via the call sign 3. Contact the station to see if they will grant you a general approval i.e. you can use 3.65GHz but if it causes us interference you need to turn it off/fix it. etc 4. If the Earth Station requests more info, you may need to supply GPS location of the base station and or CPEs, radio type/Tx power, antenna type, gain, elevation, azimuth, etc. Sprint used ComSearch so I had to provide all details. 5. Once you get the Earth Stations to sign off, then apply for your license - it's pretty much automatic. It took about 3 days for me to get approved. 6. Once you have your license, you need to enter your base stations and attach your waivers (which I have not done yet). Hope that helps. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas Jerry I'd like to know how you found the local earth stations in your area? I would like to also know the surrent status of your request as I would like to follow suite here in my area. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:16 PM To: motor...@afmug.com motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas I'm filling out the application for a license in a grandfathered zone. During the application proceess, there is a section asking if I am requesting a Waiver of the Commissions' Rules. Does this apply to grandfathered areas or is this something else? I have approval letters from the earth stations in the area. As I understand it, I only need to provide the letters when submitting the sites. Thanks in advance [cid:image001.gif@01CA824D.667F6C80] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] from today's WSJ
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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems
Works nice for me but on our server that is. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Matt Larsen - Lists Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List To: Motorola Canopy User Group ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems Sent: Dec 30, 2009 17:43 We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries. The calls started on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely. No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this problem. Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Hi RALPH! ryan On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote: Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Sorry. Dumb iPhone auto correction changed Tropos to tripod. Lol On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Here we go again. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:15 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] fight over MikroTik certification AGAIN, was Wimax gear
No kidding! It sure would be nice if it stopped, or those involved had the courtesy to mark these toxic threads with a fresh subject line. We've been through an audit with MikroTik gear, passed clear as a bell. My understanding is that FCC rules are very similar to IC rules so modular certs in the US should work just fine. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Here we go again. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:15 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FUD spreading again - WAS RE: Wimax gear
Sigh.. Ignorance is bliss I guess. But never mind. Since you never investigated nor understand the rules I'm not going to let you know that there are plenty of MikroTik units out there that passed FCC cert lab testing and have FCC approval and modular systems that passed FCC enforcement inspection. Ohh and with your belief every single laptop with a modular WiFi card is then not certified. I hope all your laptops your company and you personally use then uses USB sticks and that the card is not a mpci with the original mpci FCC cert code stickered on the laptop. But my guess that is the case. Do me this go to FCC's grant code database and search for your WiFi cards certificate and read over the documents and see how the card was tested and let me know if it was tested WITH YOUR particular laptop model and brand. If not I guess per your own words Ralph you are not using FCC certified products. Life stinks. So tired of self proclaimed experts. Once you been involved in FCC certify equipment and gotten products certified let's talk. / Eje On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote: Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] FUD spreading again - WAS RE: Wimax gear
Please take it off list. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Sigh.. Ignorance is bliss I guess. But never mind. Since you never investigated nor understand the rules I'm not going to let you know that there are plenty of MikroTik units out there that passed FCC cert lab testing and have FCC approval and modular systems that passed FCC enforcement inspection. Ohh and with your belief every single laptop with a modular WiFi card is then not certified. I hope all your laptops your company and you personally use then uses USB sticks and that the card is not a mpci with the original mpci FCC cert code stickered on the laptop. But my guess that is the case. Do me this go to FCC's grant code database and search for your WiFi cards certificate and read over the documents and see how the card was tested and let me know if it was tested WITH YOUR particular laptop model and brand. If not I guess per your own words Ralph you are not using FCC certified products. Life stinks. So tired of self proclaimed experts. Once you been involved in FCC certify equipment and gotten products certified let's talk. / Eje On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote: Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. But there's a huge difference between using a few here and there and relying on things as a platform for wide-scale operations Let's go back to the original thread -- we were talking about how Ubiquiti was changing the game with their new $75 AP that does 150 Mb or something (as compared to the Alvarion/Motorolas/WiMAX guys of the world who still don't get it with their $3/5/10k APs) -- up until now, it's been my experience that this is an apples to oranges debate (heck, couldn't I make the same argument that belkin or dlink has had a super-N mimo AP for $69 at Best Buy for some time now?) The last guy I know who tried this (actually a WISP with ~5k customers who might be reading this thread =) decided to go all-out with Mikrotik -- sure, the APs cost $200 or something, but he found that contention limited him to 20-30 customers / AP, while an slower and 5x more expensive Canopy system allowed him to put 100+ customer / AP -- in his case, one of the things that factored into the decision was tower rent Now, this was probably a year ago and things may have changed... I am not saying that ubiquity / mikrotik aren't good solutions -- we see nice applications for such units to fill in gaps or extend the network where terrain is challenging and there are pockets of small density (e.g., a neighborhood cul-de-sac or something similar with 3 or 4 additional people) -- and I'd probably wager that almost every WISP - Canopy/Alvarion/WiMAX/etc has deployed a few nanos/locos/etc in such a manner fashion, but that's a far different cry than using it as a primary platform of choice for delivering service to thousands of subscribers That being said, if someone has built such a system, please pipe up and share your experiences -- I'm always interested in learning how to do things better/faster/cheaper... -Charles On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Charles, I don't think that is the point that is being made. While you are correct with your this is a 'apples to oranges' comparison, it is hard to ignore the very fact that when folks such as Ubiquity enter the market place, they end up causing a 'shake down' for everyone, forcing the other mfg. to either really raise the bar (Product performance / pricing) or move down. We have seen this many a times in the last 15 years, such things do not happen overnight and do take time... Look at Linksys They challenged the 'incumbent' networking equipment mfg. many don't exist any more, and today Linksys is owned and operated by Cisco Regardless of the fact that you like or dislike linksys products, it is impossible to deny the impact they have made in the networking equipment market place. Just like the opensource folks are doing to established software vendors So here is my prediction Mid-market (Price/performance) mfg. will have a tough time surviving in the wireless market place... The Current established High End players will have to decide either come down in their price preformance or go UP towards the High Price range... My guess is that the cost of Hardware mfg. is about the same for all (give or take), but it is the cost of development and QC that makes the difference...Time and Time again we have seen that folks are willing to put up with less quality when the cost comes down. Why should it be different this time ? It is interesting to see this conversation in a group of folks who came into being, because of 'innovative' low cost equipment mfg. One a separate note:- Looking at the Wireline Broadband industry's development. The smaller operators demonstated a viable marketplace for Internet Access...using 'disruptive' gear... And afterwards, the larger operators stepped in the make things work at a whole different scale...I am not sure how many of us here realize that the equipment handling the wire line networks today (capacity wise) did not exist 10 years ago, some of the larger routers did not exist even 5 years ago..There are whole product lines (from Cisco/Nortel/Alcatel etc. which are custom built just for the Incumbents.simply because there are no other large customers who could use these types of devices... Why should the Wirless industry be any different ? BTW Just 5 years ago, Motorola did not have a Reference customer with 5000 + subscribers...(they themselves did not know if the Canopy system was going to scale to that level)...But things change... Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. But there's a huge difference between using a few here and there and relying on things as a platform for wide-scale operations Let's go back to the original thread -- we were talking about how Ubiquiti was changing the game with their new $75 AP that does 150 Mb or something (as compared to the Alvarion/Motorolas/WiMAX guys of the world who still don't get it with their $3/5/10k APs) -- up until now, it's been my experience that this is an apples to oranges debate (heck, couldn't I make the same argument that belkin or dlink has had a super-N mimo AP for $69 at Best Buy for some time now?) The last guy I know who tried this (actually a WISP with ~5k customers who might be reading this thread =) decided to go all-out with Mikrotik -- sure, the APs cost $200 or something, but he found that contention limited him to 20-30 customers / AP, while an slower and 5x more expensive Canopy system allowed him to put 100+ customer / AP -- in his case, one of the things that factored into the decision was tower rent Now, this was probably a year ago and things may have changed... I am not saying that ubiquity / mikrotik aren't good solutions -- we see nice applications for such units to fill in gaps or extend the network where terrain is challenging and there are pockets of small density (e.g., a neighborhood cul-de-sac or something similar with 3 or 4 additional people) -- and I'd probably wager that almost every WISP - Canopy/Alvarion/WiMAX/etc has deployed a few nanos/locos/etc in such a manner fashion, but that's a far different cry than using it as a primary platform of choice for delivering service to thousands of subscribers That being said, if someone has built such a system, please pipe up and share your experiences -- I'm always interested in learning how to do things better/faster/cheaper... -Charles On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these
[WISPA] OT: Nebraska
...just put a serious beat down on Arizona in the Holiday Bowl. Proud to be a Husker today! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear - licensed bands btw
Speaking of which, did anyone notice the results of the latest BRS Auction (#86) Licenses went for an average of $0.03 / MHz POP That means if 60 MHz covering 100,000 people (as defined by Census 2000 numbers) would have gone for $180k -- with the small business 35% credit - that means a WISP would've paid $117k for that spectrum While $117k is nothing to sneeze at, it's just worth noting that getting a license is not something unreasonable or unobtainable for the small guy -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
