Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: is Google our next competitor?

[Philip Dorr]

That is almost 3 years old, and I still have not received my installation kit.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> It is official
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Paul Gerstenberger]

There are a number of blackhole routes  and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, 
that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.

I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of 
these IPs.

[ad...@mikrotik] > /routing ospf export
# feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
# software id = -
#
/routing ospf instance
set default comment="" disabled=no distribute-default=never in-filter=ospf-in 
metric-bgp=20 \
metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto metric-rip=20 
metric-static=20 \
name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no 
redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no 
router-id=10.0.4.3
/routing ospf area
set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment="" disabled=no instance=default 
name=backbone type=default
/routing ospf interface
add authentication=none authentication-key="" authentication-key-id=1 
comment="" cost=10 \
dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 
interface=ether1-gateway \
network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s 
transmit-delay=1s \
use-bfd=no
/routing ospf network
add area=backbone comment="" disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27



Here are the relevant routes:

RS-1# ip show routes   

Destination  Gateway  Owner Netif
---  ---  - -
default  ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25   StaticHREC-EIA 
10.0.4.0/27  directly connected   - WISP-201 
YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE  WISP-201 
XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected   - HREC-EIA 

[ad...@mikrotik] > ip route print

Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, 
C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, 
B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit

 #  DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAYDISTANCE
 0 ADo  0.0.0.0/0  -10.0.4.1   110 
 2 ADC  10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0   
30 ADC  yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24  zzz.zzz.zzz.1  ether2-local   0   
44 ADo  xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30  -10.0.4.1   110 

-Paul

On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Bret Clark wrote:

> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>> {provider} <---[  static 0.0.0.0/0  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  ]---> {riverstone ASBR} 
>> <---[10.0.4.1   OSPF Backbone   10.0.4.2]---> {mikrotik} <--- x.x.x.x/24 
>> public addresses
>> 
>> I can attach those public addresses directly to the riverstone and they work 
>> fine. However if I attach them to the mikrotik they get advertised over OSPF 
>> and have local connectivity, but they stop at the border router on a 
>> traceroute. However, if you ping a device using one of those addresses from 
>> an external network, you get a response. So I'm missing something to make 
>> the route bi-directional, if that's the right term.
>> 
>> This is what I have in the Riverstone:
>> 
>> 325 : ip add route default gateway 
>> 362 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto static to-proto ospf network 
>> default
>> 363 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto direct to-proto ospf network 
>> all
>> 365 : ospf create area backbone
>> 367 : ospf add interface WISP-201 to-area backbone
>> 368 : ospf start
>> 
>> -Paul
>> 
>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
>> 
> Hseems okay in the Riverstone, nothing blatant standing out. 
> You're not running NAT on the Mikrotik by any chance? What is the print 
> out from the Mikrotik when you run "/routing ospf export"?
> 
> Otherwise I would need to see what the route tables look like in the RS 
> and Mikrotik.
> 
> BTW...that must be one heck of a config on that RS if your OSPF config 
> doesn't start till line 365!
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[WISPA] Redline AN80i PMP firmware question

[Steven G McGehee]

Hello,

Was curious if anyone here uses Redline AN80i hardware, and if so, if 
you had upgraded to the new firmware version that came out late 
December. Specifically, I'm referring to version 
"RL80PMPZ__1200_46.zip". We've been having several miscellaneous, bad 
firmware problems with a sector running v11.2x and plan on upgrading. 
Does anyone have any experience with this firmware version? Any idTable 
issues? DFS problems? Any and all input on the matter is appreciated.

Thanks in advance.



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Re: [WISPA] FBI wants records kept of Web sites visited | Politics andLaw - CNET News

[Glenn Kelley]

 From BlackHat Convention:

The "backdoors" that Cisco and other networking companies implement in  
their routers and switches for lawful intercept are front and center  
again at this week's Black Hat security conference. A few years ago,  
they were cause celebre in some VoIP wiretapping arguments and court  
rulings.

This time, an IBM researcher told Black Hat conference attendees that  
these openings can still expose information about us to hackers and  
allow them to "watch" our Internet activity. Backdoors are implemented  
in routers and switches so law enforcement officials can track the  
Internet communications and activity of an individual or individuals  
under surveillance. They are required by 
law[http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/012307-us-govt-wiretapping-laws-and.html
 
] to be incorporated in devices manufactured by networking companies  
and sold to ISPs.

In this report from 
Forbes[http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/03/hackers-networking-equipment-technology-security-cisco.html?feed=rss_technology_security
 
], IBM Internet Security Systems researcher Tom Cross demonstrated how  
easily the backdoor in Cisco IOS can be exploited by hackers. When  
they gain access to a Cisco router, they are not blocked after  
multiple failed access attempts nor is an alert sent to an  
administrator. Any data collected through the backdoor can be sent to  
anywhere -- not just merely to an authorized user, Forbes reports.

What's more, an ISP is not able to perform an audit trail on whoever  
tried to gain access to a router through the backdoor - that nuance  
was intended to keep ISP employees from detecting the intercept and  
inadvertently tipping off the individual under surveillance. But  
according to IBM's Cross, any authorized employee can use it for  
unauthorized surveillance of users and those privacy violations cannot  
be tracked by the ISP.

Cisco said it is aware of Cross's assertions and is taking them under  
consideration. To Cisco's credit, it is the only networking company  
that makes its lawful intercept architecture public, according to the  
recommendations of the IETF, the Forbes story states. Other companies  
do not, which means they may be susceptible to the same security  
flaws, or worse.


On Feb 10, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

> Not only don't they pay for it but they are also in favor of it  
> because it gives them JOBS... good, government JOBS. Thus government  
> gets even bigger with no real results to show for it and with a  
> further reduction in the rights granted citizens by the Bill of  
> Rights. .
>
> jack
>
>
> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>>
>> "a survey of state computer crime investigators found them to be  
>> nearly
>> unanimous in supporting the idea. "
>>
>> Really? What an idiot, of course they are. They dont pay for it.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[Robert West]

I'm with ya.  The clear plastic tube they came in is broken all to hell but
the rods are still perfect.



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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

Ours (from Lowe's) take a lot more abuse in bending then I ever expected.
Only seen two rods break in ~5 years.

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On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Steven McGehee  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Yeah we use fiber glass "push rods" from GreenLee. We picked them up at
> Graybar, could certainly find them cheaper I'm sure, but we got them
> years ago... anyway, they're flexible, slim, and work great in any
> application where you have a decent amount of elbow room and don't need
> to bend them too harshly. They tend to come in four sections of 6' with
> a 3' glow in the dark stick too. They also have a removable hook that
> you can thread into one end, that comes in handy from time to time.
>
>
>
>
> Robert West wrote:
> > I use the same things, love em!  I use them in drop ceilings, can
> certainly
> > see them in the dark!  They are also my favorite tool with vinyl siding.
>  I
> > hate putting holes in vinyl siding so I use a siding tool to separate
the
> > sections, push the rods in the gap at the corner of the house behind the
> > siding to where I want the hole.  Drill, stuff it in, pull the rods back
> > out, put the siding back together..  No sign of ever being there.
> >
> > I picked mine up at Lowes I think.  Have 2 packs of them for extra
> length.
> > I think they were called "Fish Sticks".
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of David Hulsebus
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:59 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT
> >
> > I like the glow rods, we use 4 ft sections of a fiberglass rods with
> > threaded ends that I bought 30 years ago to clean  my chimney.  I have
> > 40 ft. I think I paid less than $5 for extension rods without a bristle
> > head. I've seen them at Walmart and Tractor Supply.
> >
> > Dave Hulsebus
> >
> > AJ wrote:
> >
> >> We've used a conduit rodder with mixed success in the past - works
> >>
> > excellent
> >
> >> for buried conduit that is partially blocked; drop ceiling work is a
bit
> >> more complicated but for the majority of the time, if it's a drop
> >> ceiling/plenum space, it's no longer than our standard fish tape.
> >>
> >> http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm#bigbuddy
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Scott Carullo
> >>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> Good morning...
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> >>>
> >>> Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like
> let
> >>>
> > me
> >
> >>> know please.
> >>>
> >>> I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for
something
> >>> else...  Thanks
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[eje]

Got a default route on the MikroTik pointing to your riverstone box?

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Gerstenberger 
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:43:14 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

{provider} <---[  static 0.0.0.0/0  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  ]---> {riverstone ASBR} 
<---[10.0.4.1   OSPF Backbone   10.0.4.2]---> {mikrotik} <--- x.x.x.x/24 public 
addresses

I can attach those public addresses directly to the riverstone and they work 
fine. However if I attach them to the mikrotik they get advertised over OSPF 
and have local connectivity, but they stop at the border router on a 
traceroute. However, if you ping a device using one of those addresses from an 
external network, you get a response. So I'm missing something to make the 
route bi-directional, if that's the right term.

This is what I have in the Riverstone:

325 : ip add route default gateway 
362 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto static to-proto ospf network 
default
363 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto direct to-proto ospf network all
365 : ospf create area backbone
367 : ospf add interface WISP-201 to-area backbone
368 : ospf start

-Paul

On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bret Clark wrote:

> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>> I'm having a heck of a time setting up OSPF for my network. We've been 
>> running a switched network with a Riverstone router on the border, but we've 
>> long outgrown that configuration. I have a Mikrotik RB1000U in the rack 
>> running v4.5 that we're going to use for our expansion and convert existing 
>> subscribers over to. If I can get the dang thing to work anyway.
>> 
>> So, here's what I got:
>> 
>> The Riverstone is still on the border, and will be until I can talk the 
>> higher-ups into replacing it. It still works and has plenty of capacity for 
>> us still, it's just that Riverstone Networks went under some time ago and 
>> there is no support for these things anymore. Anyway, it's here, and it has 
>> the default route to our provider. I have a new range of public IPs, and I 
>> need to have those public IPs accessible from the Mikrotik[s].
>> 
> 
> Having a hard time following exactly what you are doing...can you 
> attached a network drawing with the routes? We use Riverstones and 
> Mikrotiks in our backbone with no problems at all and I have quite a bit 
> of familiarity with Riverstone networks (I once worked for them :).
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: is Google our next competitor?

[Glenn Kelley]

It is official

Google has already started !

As shown on the official Google TISP website:



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http://www.google.com/tisp/

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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Bret Clark]

Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
> {provider} <---[  static 0.0.0.0/0  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  ]---> {riverstone ASBR} 
> <---[10.0.4.1   OSPF Backbone   10.0.4.2]---> {mikrotik} <--- x.x.x.x/24 
> public addresses
>
> I can attach those public addresses directly to the riverstone and they work 
> fine. However if I attach them to the mikrotik they get advertised over OSPF 
> and have local connectivity, but they stop at the border router on a 
> traceroute. However, if you ping a device using one of those addresses from 
> an external network, you get a response. So I'm missing something to make the 
> route bi-directional, if that's the right term.
>
> This is what I have in the Riverstone:
>
> 325 : ip add route default gateway 
> 362 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto static to-proto ospf network 
> default
> 363 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto direct to-proto ospf network 
> all
> 365 : ospf create area backbone
> 367 : ospf add interface WISP-201 to-area backbone
> 368 : ospf start
>
> -Paul
>
> On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
>   
Hseems okay in the Riverstone, nothing blatant standing out. 
You're not running NAT on the Mikrotik by any chance? What is the print 
out from the Mikrotik when you run "/routing ospf export"?

Otherwise I would need to see what the route tables look like in the RS 
and Mikrotik.

BTW...that must be one heck of a config on that RS if your OSPF config 
doesn't start till line 365!



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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Jeremy Parr]

On 10 February 2010 19:43, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> {provider} <---[  static 0.0.0.0/0  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  ]---> {riverstone ASBR} 
> <---[10.0.4.1   OSPF Backbone   10.0.4.2]---> {mikrotik} <--- x.x.x.x/24 
> public addresses
>
> I can attach those public addresses directly to the riverstone and they work 
> fine. However if I attach them to the mikrotik they get advertised over OSPF 
> and have local connectivity, but they stop at the border router on a 
> traceroute. However, if you ping a device using one of those addresses from 
> an external network, you get a response. So I'm missing something to make the 
> route bi-directional, if that's the right term.
>
> This is what I have in the Riverstone:
>
> 325 : ip add route default gateway 
> 362 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto static to-proto ospf network 
> default
> 363 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto direct to-proto ospf network 
> all
> 365 : ospf create area backbone
> 367 : ospf add interface WISP-201 to-area backbone
> 368 : ospf start

Can you paste `ip route print` and `routing ospf neighbors print` from
the Mikrotik, and whatever the Riverstone's equal is?



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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Paul Gerstenberger]

{provider} <---[  static 0.0.0.0/0  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  ]---> {riverstone ASBR} 
<---[10.0.4.1   OSPF Backbone   10.0.4.2]---> {mikrotik} <--- x.x.x.x/24 public 
addresses

I can attach those public addresses directly to the riverstone and they work 
fine. However if I attach them to the mikrotik they get advertised over OSPF 
and have local connectivity, but they stop at the border router on a 
traceroute. However, if you ping a device using one of those addresses from an 
external network, you get a response. So I'm missing something to make the 
route bi-directional, if that's the right term.

This is what I have in the Riverstone:

325 : ip add route default gateway 
362 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto static to-proto ospf network 
default
363 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto direct to-proto ospf network all
365 : ospf create area backbone
367 : ospf add interface WISP-201 to-area backbone
368 : ospf start

-Paul

On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bret Clark wrote:

> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>> I'm having a heck of a time setting up OSPF for my network. We've been 
>> running a switched network with a Riverstone router on the border, but we've 
>> long outgrown that configuration. I have a Mikrotik RB1000U in the rack 
>> running v4.5 that we're going to use for our expansion and convert existing 
>> subscribers over to. If I can get the dang thing to work anyway.
>> 
>> So, here's what I got:
>> 
>> The Riverstone is still on the border, and will be until I can talk the 
>> higher-ups into replacing it. It still works and has plenty of capacity for 
>> us still, it's just that Riverstone Networks went under some time ago and 
>> there is no support for these things anymore. Anyway, it's here, and it has 
>> the default route to our provider. I have a new range of public IPs, and I 
>> need to have those public IPs accessible from the Mikrotik[s].
>> 
> 
> Having a hard time following exactly what you are doing...can you 
> attached a network drawing with the routes? We use Riverstones and 
> Mikrotiks in our backbone with no problems at all and I have quite a bit 
> of familiarity with Riverstone networks (I once worked for them :).
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

[lakeland]

It was somebodies fault. 

 I have an alibi.

:-)

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-Original Message-
From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:51:20 
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

Didn't feel in in SE Missouri.  
What fault is that?  Looks too North to be New Madrid.

Victoria Proffer
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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:41 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/us2010snay.php

I know you in CA are like yeah, yeah, big deal...  but we only feel them
once every few years.

No damage that I'm aware of.


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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

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Magnapull from tech tool supply is a great help when pulling through  
walls.

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On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:39 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

> www.laborsavingdevices com
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> Something for everyone.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:34:14
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT
>
> Glow rods are the best things since sliced bread!
>
> AKA fish sticks, fiber poles, etc.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to co 
> ntinue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Robert West  >wrote:
>
>> I use the same things, love em!  I use them in drop ceilings, can  
>> certainly
>> see them in the dark!  They are also my favorite tool with vinyl  
>> siding.  I
>> hate putting holes in vinyl siding so I use a siding tool to  
>> separate the
>> sections, push the rods in the gap at the corner of the house  
>> behind the
>> siding to where I want the hole.  Drill, stuff it in, pull the rods  
>> back
>> out, put the siding back together..  No sign of ever being there.
>>
>> I picked mine up at Lowes I think.  Have 2 packs of them for extra  
>> length.
>> I think they were called "Fish Sticks".
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of David Hulsebus
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:59 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT
>>
>> I like the glow rods, we use 4 ft sections of a fiberglass rods with
>> threaded ends that I bought 30 years ago to clean  my chimney.  I  
>> have
>> 40 ft. I think I paid less than $5 for extension rods without a  
>> bristle
>> head. I've seen them at Walmart and Tractor Supply.
>>
>> Dave Hulsebus
>>
>> AJ wrote:
>>> We've used a conduit rodder with mixed success in the past - works
>> excellent
>>> for buried conduit that is partially blocked; drop ceiling work is  
>>> a bit
>>> more complicated but for the majority of the time, if it's a drop
>>> ceiling/plenum space, it's no longer than our standard fish tape.
>>>
>>> http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm#bigbuddy
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Scott Carullo
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Good morning...

 Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet

 Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and  
 like let
>> me
 know please.

 I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for  
 something
 else...  Thanks

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 Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

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From: Josh Luthman 
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:34:14 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

Glow rods are the best things since sliced bread!

AKA fish sticks, fiber poles, etc.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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--- Winston Churchill


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Robert West wrote:

> I use the same things, love em!  I use them in drop ceilings, can certainly
> see them in the dark!  They are also my favorite tool with vinyl siding.  I
> hate putting holes in vinyl siding so I use a siding tool to separate the
> sections, push the rods in the gap at the corner of the house behind the
> siding to where I want the hole.  Drill, stuff it in, pull the rods back
> out, put the siding back together..  No sign of ever being there.
>
> I picked mine up at Lowes I think.  Have 2 packs of them for extra length.
> I think they were called "Fish Sticks".
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of David Hulsebus
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT
>
> I like the glow rods, we use 4 ft sections of a fiberglass rods with
> threaded ends that I bought 30 years ago to clean  my chimney.  I have
> 40 ft. I think I paid less than $5 for extension rods without a bristle
> head. I've seen them at Walmart and Tractor Supply.
>
> Dave Hulsebus
>
> AJ wrote:
> > We've used a conduit rodder with mixed success in the past - works
> excellent
> > for buried conduit that is partially blocked; drop ceiling work is a bit
> > more complicated but for the majority of the time, if it's a drop
> > ceiling/plenum space, it's no longer than our standard fish tape.
> >
> > http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm#bigbuddy
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Scott Carullo
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Good morning...
> >>
> >> Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet
> >>
> >> Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like let
> me
> >> know please.
> >>
> >> I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for something
> >> else...  Thanks
> >>
> >> Scott Carullo
> >> Brevard Wireless
> >> 321-205-1100 x102
> >>
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[WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: is Google our next competitor?

[RickG]

Sorry. After I sent this I noticed another thread was already started.
Your post made me change the subject line though :)

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> "Google said it will offer network access to between 50,000 and 500,000 
> people at a competitive prices."
>
> I like how they are estimating by a whole order of magnitude.
>
> My company is likely to hook up between 20 and 200 new customers this month.
>
> -Paul
>
> On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, RickG wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[Josh Luthman]

Ours (from Lowe's) take a lot more abuse in bending then I ever expected.
Only seen two rods break in ~5 years.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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that counts.”
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Steven McGehee  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Yeah we use fiber glass "push rods" from GreenLee. We picked them up at
> Graybar, could certainly find them cheaper I'm sure, but we got them
> years ago... anyway, they're flexible, slim, and work great in any
> application where you have a decent amount of elbow room and don't need
> to bend them too harshly. They tend to come in four sections of 6' with
> a 3' glow in the dark stick too. They also have a removable hook that
> you can thread into one end, that comes in handy from time to time.
>
>
>
>
> Robert West wrote:
> > I use the same things, love em!  I use them in drop ceilings, can
> certainly
> > see them in the dark!  They are also my favorite tool with vinyl siding.
>  I
> > hate putting holes in vinyl siding so I use a siding tool to separate the
> > sections, push the rods in the gap at the corner of the house behind the
> > siding to where I want the hole.  Drill, stuff it in, pull the rods back
> > out, put the siding back together..  No sign of ever being there.
> >
> > I picked mine up at Lowes I think.  Have 2 packs of them for extra
> length.
> > I think they were called "Fish Sticks".
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of David Hulsebus
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:59 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT
> >
> > I like the glow rods, we use 4 ft sections of a fiberglass rods with
> > threaded ends that I bought 30 years ago to clean  my chimney.  I have
> > 40 ft. I think I paid less than $5 for extension rods without a bristle
> > head. I've seen them at Walmart and Tractor Supply.
> >
> > Dave Hulsebus
> >
> > AJ wrote:
> >
> >> We've used a conduit rodder with mixed success in the past - works
> >>
> > excellent
> >
> >> for buried conduit that is partially blocked; drop ceiling work is a bit
> >> more complicated but for the majority of the time, if it's a drop
> >> ceiling/plenum space, it's no longer than our standard fish tape.
> >>
> >> http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm#bigbuddy
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Scott Carullo
> >>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> Good morning...
> >>>
> >>> Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet
> >>>
> >>> Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like
> let
> >>>
> > me
> >
> >>> know please.
> >>>
> >>> I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for something
> >>> else...  Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Scott Carullo
> >>> Brevard Wireless
> >>> 321-205-1100 x102
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[Steven McGehee]

Hi all,

Yeah we use fiber glass "push rods" from GreenLee. We picked them up at 
Graybar, could certainly find them cheaper I'm sure, but we got them 
years ago... anyway, they're flexible, slim, and work great in any 
application where you have a decent amount of elbow room and don't need 
to bend them too harshly. They tend to come in four sections of 6' with 
a 3' glow in the dark stick too. They also have a removable hook that 
you can thread into one end, that comes in handy from time to time.




Robert West wrote:
> I use the same things, love em!  I use them in drop ceilings, can certainly
> see them in the dark!  They are also my favorite tool with vinyl siding.  I
> hate putting holes in vinyl siding so I use a siding tool to separate the
> sections, push the rods in the gap at the corner of the house behind the
> siding to where I want the hole.  Drill, stuff it in, pull the rods back
> out, put the siding back together..  No sign of ever being there.
>
> I picked mine up at Lowes I think.  Have 2 packs of them for extra length.
> I think they were called "Fish Sticks".
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of David Hulsebus
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT
>
> I like the glow rods, we use 4 ft sections of a fiberglass rods with 
> threaded ends that I bought 30 years ago to clean  my chimney.  I have 
> 40 ft. I think I paid less than $5 for extension rods without a bristle 
> head. I've seen them at Walmart and Tractor Supply.
>
> Dave Hulsebus
>
> AJ wrote:
>   
>> We've used a conduit rodder with mixed success in the past - works
>> 
> excellent
>   
>> for buried conduit that is partially blocked; drop ceiling work is a bit
>> more complicated but for the majority of the time, if it's a drop
>> ceiling/plenum space, it's no longer than our standard fish tape.
>>
>> http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm#bigbuddy
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Scott Carullo
>> 
> wrote:
>   
>>   
>> 
>>> Good morning...
>>>
>>> Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet
>>>
>>> Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like let
>>>   
> me
>   
>>> know please.
>>>
>>> I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for something
>>> else...  Thanks
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Brevard Wireless
>>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

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Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
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> running a switched network with a Riverstone router on the border, but we've 
> long outgrown that configuration. I have a Mikrotik RB1000U in the rack 
> running v4.5 that we're going to use for our expansion and convert existing 
> subscribers over to. If I can get the dang thing to work anyway.
>
> So, here's what I got:
>
> The Riverstone is still on the border, and will be until I can talk the 
> higher-ups into replacing it. It still works and has plenty of capacity for 
> us still, it's just that Riverstone Networks went under some time ago and 
> there is no support for these things anymore. Anyway, it's here, and it has 
> the default route to our provider. I have a new range of public IPs, and I 
> need to have those public IPs accessible from the Mikrotik[s].
>   

Having a hard time following exactly what you are doing...can you 
attached a network drawing with the routes? We use Riverstones and 
Mikrotiks in our backbone with no problems at all and I have quite a bit 
of familiarity with Riverstone networks (I once worked for them :).

Bret



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Re: [WISPA] is Google our next competitor?

[Paul Gerstenberger]

"Google said it will offer network access to between 50,000 and 500,000 people 
at a competitive prices."

I like how they are estimating by a whole order of magnitude.

My company is likely to hook up between 20 and 200 new customers this month.

-Paul

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[WISPA] is Google our next competitor?

[RickG]

http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222700747
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[WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Paul Gerstenberger]

I'm having a heck of a time setting up OSPF for my network. We've been running 
a switched network with a Riverstone router on the border, but we've long 
outgrown that configuration. I have a Mikrotik RB1000U in the rack running v4.5 
that we're going to use for our expansion and convert existing subscribers over 
to. If I can get the dang thing to work anyway.

So, here's what I got:

The Riverstone is still on the border, and will be until I can talk the 
higher-ups into replacing it. It still works and has plenty of capacity for us 
still, it's just that Riverstone Networks went under some time ago and there is 
no support for these things anymore. Anyway, it's here, and it has the default 
route to our provider. I have a new range of public IPs, and I need to have 
those public IPs accessible from the Mikrotik[s].

At this point, I have OSPF running between the routers, both the Riverstone and 
the Mikrotiks are advertising their attached networks, and the Riverstone 
appears to be redistributing it's default route in OSPF. Everything works 
locally, but I'm not able to get OUT to the internet from our public addresses 
when attached to the Mikrotik.

BUT, I do have connectivity from an outside network IN to those addresses. 
Something is not working/configured to make the routing bidirectional. I don't 
understand what else I need to do.

If I directly attach the public addresses to the Riverstone, everything works. 
I have allowed that network it in the applicable ACLs, etc.

Can anyone offer me some tips and suggestions? I've worn myself out 
troubleshooting it, I just don't know what else to look for!

Thanks!

---
Paul Gerstenberger
Hood River Electric Cooperative
Communications Access Cooperative



[provider] - We have three Class-C networks of Public IPs assigned to us
--
{default gateway}
--
[riverstone] - Our core router, runs NAT and has directly connected networks of 
private and public IPs, uses static route / default gateway to our upstream 
provider. Two of the Class-C public ranges are used directly on the riverstone.
--
{ospf}
--
[RB1000 w/ v4.5] - Runs user manager, planning on running PPPoE over vlans to 
our access points. I want to be able to assign addresses from our third Class-C 
as needed and run NAT for the bulk of customers.
--
{PPPoE}
--
[subscribers] - Using a consumer router (D-Link, Netgear, TrendNet, etc) as 
PPPoE client.



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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Randy Cosby]

dnesday, February 10, 2010 1:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The same way they have made money from the beginning.  Giving it all
>>>> away
>>>> for free!!!  At least on the front end of things..
>>>>
>>>> Google makes money in reverse and LOTS of it.  Trust me, my man, Google
>>>> is
>>>> no brainless bunch.  There is a lot of money in "Free".  I'm sure they
>>>> have
>>>> an angle to make the big bucks off of it and at the same time presenting
>>>> themselves as the benevolent Google that is adored by everyone
>>>> worldwide.
>>>> Well, except maybe the Chinese who Google censored.  Oh, and possibly
>>>> the
>>>> rest of the world including the US if Google teams up with the NSA as
>>>> last
>>>> reported..  But still, just a bunch of friendly helpful guys out to
>>>> give
>>>> it all away for free!
>>>>
>>>> Bob-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:07 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>>>
>>>> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>>>
>>>> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
>>>> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>>>>
>>>> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
>>>> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
>>>> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
>>>> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
>>>> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
>>>> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
>>>> the Web.
>>>>
>>>> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
>>>> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>>>>
>>>> end of article
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_netw
>>>> ork
>>>>
>>>> sounds very dot commy to me:
>>>> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
>>>> make money giving it away?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
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>>>> POB 875
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Tom DeReggi]

and possibly 
>>> the
>>> rest of the world including the US if Google teams up with the NSA as
>>> last
>>> reported..  But still, just a bunch of friendly helpful guys out to
>>> give
>>> it all away for free!
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:07 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>>
>>> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
>>> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>>>
>>> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
>>> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
>>> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
>>> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
>>> today.
>>>
>>> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
>>> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
>>> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
>>> the Web.
>>>
>>> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
>>> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>>>
>>> end of article
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_netw
>>> ork
>>>
>>> sounds very dot commy to me:
>>> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
>>> make money giving it away?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Marco C. Coelho
>>> Argon Technologies Inc.
>>> POB 875
>>> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
>>> 903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] FBI wants records kept of Web sites visited | Politics andLaw - CNET News

[Jack Unger]

Not only don't they pay for it but they are also in favor of it because
it gives them JOBS... good, government JOBS. Thus government gets even
bigger with no real results to show for it and with a further reduction
in the rights granted citizens by the Bill of Rights.
. 

jack


Tom DeReggi wrote:

  "a survey of state computer crime investigators found them to be nearly 
unanimous in supporting the idea. "

Really? What an idiot, of course they are. They dont pay for it.

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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Randy Cosby]

One other factor to consider.  On Google's existing fiber nets, how much 
of that traffic is outbound, how much is inbound?  Likely they are a 
mirror image of our usage.  They have tons of extra capacity available 
on the inbound side just waiting to be used.


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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I a bit curious...even with huge window sizes, the latencies would appear
to be the limiting
Factor to much under a gig (not to have to consider, in addition, the
"operating system" and PC speeds). 

But, purpose-built movie-sucking-boxes from Akamai-type cache on the gig
network...or, purpose-built
Medical devices retrieving medical imaging...maybe.

. . . J o n a t h a n

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

Wholesale 1G costs less than $1k now, depending on the vendor.  Also, when
you have a network as large as Google's, BW costs you less.

Also, just like you're oversubscribing that 10 meg pipe, they're
oversubscribing those gigs.


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From: "Marco Coelho" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>
> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>
> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
> today.
>
> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
> the Web.
>
> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>
> end of article
>
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_ne
twork
>
> sounds very dot commy to me:
> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
> make money giving it away?
>
> -- 
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Mike Hammett]

I love how everyone thinks the content people are mooching.  You go to the 
other side of the fence and we're mooching off of them.

They negotiate their bandwidth, we negotiate ours.  They're just better at 
it.


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From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

> I'd say, the press release is not in line with Google's Business model.
>
> Google is in the business of collecting revenue, without costs, 
> considering
> they mooch off others' broadband networks without paying for access to it.
>
> It will be interesting to see what Google Execs will think of the project 
> a
> year down the road, where they incur all the costs and no revenue. I dont
> see the project being popular amoungst management.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Robert West" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>
>
>> The same way they have made money from the beginning.  Giving it all away
>> for free!!!  At least on the front end of things..
>>
>> Google makes money in reverse and LOTS of it.  Trust me, my man, Google 
>> is
>> no brainless bunch.  There is a lot of money in "Free".  I'm sure they
>> have
>> an angle to make the big bucks off of it and at the same time presenting
>> themselves as the benevolent Google that is adored by everyone worldwide.
>> Well, except maybe the Chinese who Google censored.  Oh, and possibly the
>> rest of the world including the US if Google teams up with the NSA as 
>> last
>> reported..  But still, just a bunch of friendly helpful guys out to
>> give
>> it all away for free!
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:07 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>
>> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>
>> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
>> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>>
>> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
>> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
>> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
>> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
>> today.
>>
>> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
>> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
>> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
>> the Web.
>>
>> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
>> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>>
>> end of article
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_netw
>> ork
>>
>> sounds very dot commy to me:
>> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
>> make money giving it away?
>>
>> -- 
>> Marco C. Coelho
>> Argon Technologies Inc.
>> POB 875
>> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
>> 903-455-5036
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Mike Hammett]

All they would have to do is #1, which is easily done.  They have dark fiber 
all over the country, they can tap into it anywhere they like.  Building 
fiber networks isn't that hard and isn't that expensive in the big picture.

Most places already have clinics, most just aren't technology enabled.

#3 wasn't really necessary and was just meant to solicit rants from myself, 
Brad, Mark, and anyone else that views that differently.


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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

> Sounds a little bit too "dot.com-my" to me too. All PR and too little of
> real importance.
>
> I'd need to see which communities they choose. Hopefully they will
> choose communities that have NO Internet access today instead of
> communities where broadband is already available and a movie can already
> be downloaded quickly.
>
> As to all the hoopla about allowing rural health clinics to send medical
> images quickly, that sounds like a load of bull. Is Google going to:
>
> 1. Build the fiber network out to the rural, high-cost areas?
>
> 2. Build "rural medical clinics" for the area(s)?
>
> 3. Cover the insurance costs for the 40% of the adult population with no
> medical insurance and who therefore can't afford to go to the clinic for
> medical treatment?
>
> If Google is going to do all of the above then I say "Google is GREAT!
> More power to 'em". On the other hand, if Google is NOT going to do all
> of the above, then I say "Keep your damn Press Release at home until you
> are able to put more truth into it".
>
> NOW, on a practical note, what could Google in a partnership with WISPs
> that would really bring win-win-win benefits to the public??
>
> jack
>
>
>
> Marco Coelho wrote:
>> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>
>> WASHINGTON – Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
>> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>>
>> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
>> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
>> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
>> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
>> today.
>>
>> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
>> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
>> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
>> the Web.
>>
>> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
>> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>>
>> end of article
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_network
>>
>> sounds very dot commy to me:
>> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
>> make money giving it away?
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Mike Hammett]

Wholesale 1G costs less than $1k now, depending on the vendor.  Also, when 
you have a network as large as Google's, BW costs you less.

Also, just like you're oversubscribing that 10 meg pipe, they're 
oversubscribing those gigs.


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--
From: "Marco Coelho" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>
> WASHINGTON – Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>
> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
> today.
>
> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
> the Web.
>
> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>
> end of article
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_network
>
> sounds very dot commy to me:
> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
> make money giving it away?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[Josh Luthman]

Glow rods are the best things since sliced bread!

AKA fish sticks, fiber poles, etc.

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On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Robert West wrote:

> I use the same things, love em!  I use them in drop ceilings, can certainly
> see them in the dark!  They are also my favorite tool with vinyl siding.  I
> hate putting holes in vinyl siding so I use a siding tool to separate the
> sections, push the rods in the gap at the corner of the house behind the
> siding to where I want the hole.  Drill, stuff it in, pull the rods back
> out, put the siding back together..  No sign of ever being there.
>
> I picked mine up at Lowes I think.  Have 2 packs of them for extra length.
> I think they were called "Fish Sticks".
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT
>
> I like the glow rods, we use 4 ft sections of a fiberglass rods with
> threaded ends that I bought 30 years ago to clean  my chimney.  I have
> 40 ft. I think I paid less than $5 for extension rods without a bristle
> head. I've seen them at Walmart and Tractor Supply.
>
> Dave Hulsebus
>
> AJ wrote:
> > We've used a conduit rodder with mixed success in the past - works
> excellent
> > for buried conduit that is partially blocked; drop ceiling work is a bit
> > more complicated but for the majority of the time, if it's a drop
> > ceiling/plenum space, it's no longer than our standard fish tape.
> >
> > http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm#bigbuddy
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Scott Carullo
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Good morning...
> >>
> >> Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet
> >>
> >> Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like let
> me
> >> know please.
> >>
> >> I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for something
> >> else...  Thanks
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[Robert West]

I use the same things, love em!  I use them in drop ceilings, can certainly
see them in the dark!  They are also my favorite tool with vinyl siding.  I
hate putting holes in vinyl siding so I use a siding tool to separate the
sections, push the rods in the gap at the corner of the house behind the
siding to where I want the hole.  Drill, stuff it in, pull the rods back
out, put the siding back together..  No sign of ever being there.

I picked mine up at Lowes I think.  Have 2 packs of them for extra length.
I think they were called "Fish Sticks".

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hulsebus
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

I like the glow rods, we use 4 ft sections of a fiberglass rods with 
threaded ends that I bought 30 years ago to clean  my chimney.  I have 
40 ft. I think I paid less than $5 for extension rods without a bristle 
head. I've seen them at Walmart and Tractor Supply.

Dave Hulsebus

AJ wrote:
> We've used a conduit rodder with mixed success in the past - works
excellent
> for buried conduit that is partially blocked; drop ceiling work is a bit
> more complicated but for the majority of the time, if it's a drop
> ceiling/plenum space, it's no longer than our standard fish tape.
>
> http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm#bigbuddy
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Scott Carullo
wrote:
>
>   
>> Good morning...
>>
>> Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet
>>
>> Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like let
me
>> know please.
>>
>> I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for something
>> else...  Thanks
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Brevard Wireless
>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Jack Unger]

I don't understand your statement. Which "bunch of bands" are you
referring? Do you mean the former 700 MHz spectrum auction? Could you
state your point a little more clearly? 

Thanks. 

Glenn Kelley wrote:

  We do understand that Google is the same company bidding on a bunch of bands as well right?
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On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

  
  
I'd say, the press release is not in line with Google's Business model.

Google is in the business of collecting revenue, without costs, considering 
they mooch off others' broadband networks without paying for access to it.

It will be interesting to see what Google Execs will think of the project a 
year down the road, where they incur all the costs and no revenue. I dont 
see the project being popular amoungst management.

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- Original Message - 
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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks




  The same way they have made money from the beginning.  Giving it all away
for free!!!  At least on the front end of things..

Google makes money in reverse and LOTS of it.  Trust me, my man, Google is
no brainless bunch.  There is a lot of money in "Free".  I'm sure they 
have
an angle to make the big bucks off of it and at the same time presenting
themselves as the benevolent Google that is adored by everyone worldwide.
Well, except maybe the Chinese who Google censored.  Oh, and possibly the
rest of the world including the US if Google teams up with the NSA as last
reported..  But still, just a bunch of friendly helpful guys out to 
give
it all away for free!

Bob-



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Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:07 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
networks in a handful of communities around the country.

The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
today.

In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
the Web.

Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
interested in getting one of the testbed networks.

end of article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_netw
ork

sounds very dot commy to me:
Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
make money giving it away?

-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[David Hulsebus]

I like the glow rods, we use 4 ft sections of a fiberglass rods with 
threaded ends that I bought 30 years ago to clean  my chimney.  I have 
40 ft. I think I paid less than $5 for extension rods without a bristle 
head. I've seen them at Walmart and Tractor Supply.

Dave Hulsebus

AJ wrote:
> We've used a conduit rodder with mixed success in the past - works excellent
> for buried conduit that is partially blocked; drop ceiling work is a bit
> more complicated but for the majority of the time, if it's a drop
> ceiling/plenum space, it's no longer than our standard fish tape.
>
> http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm#bigbuddy
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Scott Carullo 
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Good morning...
>>
>> Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet
>>
>> Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like let me
>> know please.
>>
>> I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for something
>> else...  Thanks
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Brevard Wireless
>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Robert West]

Connecting the dots.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

We do understand that Google is the same company bidding on a bunch of bands
as well right?

_
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  Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
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On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> I'd say, the press release is not in line with Google's Business model.
> 
> Google is in the business of collecting revenue, without costs,
considering 
> they mooch off others' broadband networks without paying for access to it.
> 
> It will be interesting to see what Google Execs will think of the project
a 
> year down the road, where they incur all the costs and no revenue. I dont 
> see the project being popular amoungst management.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Robert West" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
> 
> 
>> The same way they have made money from the beginning.  Giving it all away
>> for free!!!  At least on the front end of things..
>> 
>> Google makes money in reverse and LOTS of it.  Trust me, my man, Google
is
>> no brainless bunch.  There is a lot of money in "Free".  I'm sure they 
>> have
>> an angle to make the big bucks off of it and at the same time presenting
>> themselves as the benevolent Google that is adored by everyone worldwide.
>> Well, except maybe the Chinese who Google censored.  Oh, and possibly the
>> rest of the world including the US if Google teams up with the NSA as
last
>> reported..  But still, just a bunch of friendly helpful guys out to 
>> give
>> it all away for free!
>> 
>> Bob-
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:07 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>> 
>> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>> 
>> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
>> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>> 
>> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
>> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
>> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
>> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
>> today.
>> 
>> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
>> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
>> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
>> the Web.
>> 
>> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
>> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>> 
>> end of article
>> 
>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_netw
>> ork
>> 
>> sounds very dot commy to me:
>> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
>> make money giving it away?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Marco C. Coelho
>> Argon Technologies Inc.
>> POB 875
>> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
>> 903-455-5036
>> 
>> 
>>

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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Glenn Kelley]

We do understand that Google is the same company bidding on a bunch of bands as 
well right?
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On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> I'd say, the press release is not in line with Google's Business model.
> 
> Google is in the business of collecting revenue, without costs, considering 
> they mooch off others' broadband networks without paying for access to it.
> 
> It will be interesting to see what Google Execs will think of the project a 
> year down the road, where they incur all the costs and no revenue. I dont 
> see the project being popular amoungst management.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Robert West" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
> 
> 
>> The same way they have made money from the beginning.  Giving it all away
>> for free!!!  At least on the front end of things..
>> 
>> Google makes money in reverse and LOTS of it.  Trust me, my man, Google is
>> no brainless bunch.  There is a lot of money in "Free".  I'm sure they 
>> have
>> an angle to make the big bucks off of it and at the same time presenting
>> themselves as the benevolent Google that is adored by everyone worldwide.
>> Well, except maybe the Chinese who Google censored.  Oh, and possibly the
>> rest of the world including the US if Google teams up with the NSA as last
>> reported..  But still, just a bunch of friendly helpful guys out to 
>> give
>> it all away for free!
>> 
>> Bob-
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:07 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>> 
>> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>> 
>> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
>> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>> 
>> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
>> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
>> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
>> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
>> today.
>> 
>> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
>> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
>> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
>> the Web.
>> 
>> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
>> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>> 
>> end of article
>> 
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_netw
>> ork
>> 
>> sounds very dot commy to me:
>> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
>> make money giving it away?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Marco C. Coelho
>> Argon Technologies Inc.
>> POB 875
>> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
>> 903-455-5036
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Tom DeReggi]

I'd say, the press release is not in line with Google's Business model.

Google is in the business of collecting revenue, without costs, considering 
they mooch off others' broadband networks without paying for access to it.

It will be interesting to see what Google Execs will think of the project a 
year down the road, where they incur all the costs and no revenue. I dont 
see the project being popular amoungst management.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks


> The same way they have made money from the beginning.  Giving it all away
> for free!!!  At least on the front end of things..
>
> Google makes money in reverse and LOTS of it.  Trust me, my man, Google is
> no brainless bunch.  There is a lot of money in "Free".  I'm sure they 
> have
> an angle to make the big bucks off of it and at the same time presenting
> themselves as the benevolent Google that is adored by everyone worldwide.
> Well, except maybe the Chinese who Google censored.  Oh, and possibly the
> rest of the world including the US if Google teams up with the NSA as last
> reported..  But still, just a bunch of friendly helpful guys out to 
> give
> it all away for free!
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:07 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>
> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>
> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>
> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
> today.
>
> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
> the Web.
>
> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>
> end of article
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_netw
> ork
>
> sounds very dot commy to me:
> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
> make money giving it away?
>
> -- 
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> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Robert West]

That's because they have portrayed the image of FREE to the average joe.  It
works for them.  Not too dumb.



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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

Google makes a ton of cash by giving stuff away all the time - 
have you ever seen an add on their home page?

Think about this - 

When you go shopping - is the product you buy worth more than the fact the
store can market to Pepsi that you purchased Coke?
To Kraft Foods that you purchased something from a competitor?

They are a marketing company - funny - but most don't see them as such



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  Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.

On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:

> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
> 
> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
> 
> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
> today.
> 
> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
> the Web.
> 
> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
> 
> end of article
> 
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_netw
ork
> 
> sounds very dot commy to me:
> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
> make money giving it away?
> 
> -- 
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Robert West]

The same way they have made money from the beginning.  Giving it all away
for free!!!  At least on the front end of things..

Google makes money in reverse and LOTS of it.  Trust me, my man, Google is
no brainless bunch.  There is a lot of money in "Free".  I'm sure they have
an angle to make the big bucks off of it and at the same time presenting
themselves as the benevolent Google that is adored by everyone worldwide.
Well, except maybe the Chinese who Google censored.  Oh, and possibly the
rest of the world including the US if Google teams up with the NSA as last
reported..  But still, just a bunch of friendly helpful guys out to give
it all away for free!

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
networks in a handful of communities around the country.

The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
today.

In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
the Web.

Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
interested in getting one of the testbed networks.

end of article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_netw
ork

sounds very dot commy to me:
Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
make money giving it away?

-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036




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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Jack Unger]

Sounds a little bit too "dot.com-my" to me too. All PR and too little of 
real importance.

I'd need to see which communities they choose. Hopefully they will 
choose communities that have NO Internet access today instead of 
communities where broadband is already available and a movie can already 
be downloaded quickly.

As to all the hoopla about allowing rural health clinics to send medical 
images quickly, that sounds like a load of bull. Is Google going to:

1. Build the fiber network out to the rural, high-cost areas?

2. Build "rural medical clinics" for the area(s)?

3. Cover the insurance costs for the 40% of the adult population with no 
medical insurance and who therefore can't afford to go to the clinic for 
medical treatment?

If Google is going to do all of the above then I say "Google is GREAT! 
More power to 'em". On the other hand, if Google is NOT going to do all 
of the above, then I say "Keep your damn Press Release at home until you 
are able to put more truth into it".

NOW, on a practical note, what could Google in a partnership with WISPs 
that would really bring win-win-win benefits to the public??

jack



Marco Coelho wrote:
> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>
> WASHINGTON – Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>
> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
> today.
>
> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
> the Web.
>
> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>
> end of article
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_network
>
> sounds very dot commy to me:
> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
> make money giving it away?
>
>   

-- 
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Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing
Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Glenn Kelley]

Google makes a ton of cash by giving stuff away all the time - 
have you ever seen an add on their home page?

Think about this - 

When you go shopping - is the product you buy worth more than the fact the 
store can market to Pepsi that you purchased Coke?
To Kraft Foods that you purchased something from a competitor?

They are a marketing company - funny - but most don't see them as such


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Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.

On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:

> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
> 
> WASHINGTON – Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
> 
> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
> today.
> 
> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
> the Web.
> 
> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
> 
> end of article
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_network
> 
> sounds very dot commy to me:
> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
> make money giving it away?
> 
> -- 
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
> 
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[WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Marco Coelho]

Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

WASHINGTON – Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
networks in a handful of communities around the country.

The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
today.

In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
the Web.

Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
interested in getting one of the testbed networks.

end of article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_network

sounds very dot commy to me:
Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
make money giving it away?

-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[Patrick Leary]

Think you are actually looking for a rodder, not so much a "fish tape."
I assume you are running something through coduit that is partially full
or because your are trying to get past a crush of partial break (the
only two real reasons to use a fiber glass rodder). If you are going
into an occupied conduit, make sure to use some type of lube (minimum
like a Yellow 77). Rodders can create significant friction, especially
when being spooled back up (people tend to pull them out faster then
they put them in). Plus, it just helps the head to pass between tangles
or congestion. Finally, never force a rodder when it appears to have
come to a hard stop. Pull back, re-push and then it continues to hit a
hard stop at the same point (mark the rodder), then its blocked/crushed
and further attempts might damage things further.

This advice might seem off coming from me, but for those that don't
know, I spent nearly a decade on the wired side, including long stints
as a foreman in the field (fiber optics), which included very, very long
pulls underground, directional boring, aerial, trenching, etc. ad
nauseum. 


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Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

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Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:50 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

Good morning...

Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet

Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like let
me know please.

I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for something
else...  Thanks

Scott Carullo
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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[tfadgen]

 Little Buddy Fish Tape, works great.
 http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm

- Original Message Follows -
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To: 
Subject: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:50:21 -0500



>Good morning...
>
>Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet
>
>Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used
>and like let me  know please.
>
>I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is
>for something  else...  Thanks
>
>Scott Carullo
>Brevard Wireless
>321-205-1100 x102
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[AJ]

We've used a conduit rodder with mixed success in the past - works excellent
for buried conduit that is partially blocked; drop ceiling work is a bit
more complicated but for the majority of the time, if it's a drop
ceiling/plenum space, it's no longer than our standard fish tape.

http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm#bigbuddy

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:

> Good morning...
>
> Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet
>
> Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like let me
> know please.
>
> I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for something
> else...  Thanks
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
>
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[WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[Scott Carullo]

Good morning...

Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet

Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like let me 
know please.

I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for something 
else...  Thanks

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102





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Re: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not finding anything relevant to answer that question.  I'd say about 5 
years ago we felt one that was further south.  You should have felt that 
one.


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--
From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:51 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

> Didn't feel in in SE Missouri.
> What fault is that?  Looks too North to be New Madrid.
>
> Victoria Proffer
> www.StLouisBroadband.com
> 314-974-5600
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:41 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois
>
> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/us2010snay.php
>
> I know you in CA are like yeah, yeah, big deal...  but we only feel them
> once every few years.
>
> No damage that I'm aware of.
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Re: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

[St. Louis Broadband]

Didn't feel in in SE Missouri.  
What fault is that?  Looks too North to be New Madrid.

Victoria Proffer
www.StLouisBroadband.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:41 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/us2010snay.php

I know you in CA are like yeah, yeah, big deal...  but we only feel them
once every few years.

No damage that I'm aware of.


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[WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

[Mike Hammett]

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/us2010snay.php

I know you in CA are like yeah, yeah, big deal...  but we only feel them once 
every few years.

No damage that I'm aware of.


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




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