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Good quesion
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
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Subject: Re: [WISPA]
How can I avoid my competition doing this to me? Hide SSID and change
it every so often?
Tom DeReggi wrote:
I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to
those type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed to
admit it openly on the list. Second you are bor
If you have a competitor on a nearby tower who is uncooperative with you
on channel coordination or whatever, I could see this as a way to "goof
with" your competitor, by having his clients associate with you instead,
and flood their technical support lines with calls. Having the virtual
AP onl
I am not going to debate what the ultimate broadband system architecture
is too long because there really is no perfect solution. There are way
too many ways of doing things for us to debate it too much. I used to
be in the Cable Television industry. In my 10 years in that business I
saw sever
Lol, just seeing what your thoughts were, I only run STAR OS on my AP's
so I couldn't do it if I wanted too. I couldn't help saying it though,
it was such a neat little idea. I'm glad to know the option is there
though if I or you ever need it.
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, O
John,
I believe there is such a thing coming, and that it may fit in some
applications. But I can't see carrying data, VoIP and TVIP across a
wireless backbone that is all fed from the radio next to it. Unless you
are going to run a complete mesh type network (which would be hard with
radios
Is your wireless network set up to allow roaming? You can't roam with
fiber
John
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Ah but what about the new customer who is comparing FIOS to what I offer? FIOS
will have tv and voip ( we do voip now but no tv )
Times are a changing and verizon is putting flyer
And, when they have a problem and the jerk at Verizon support doesn't
fix it.
There is some value in being able to talk to the owner of a business.
There are prople that don't see it
I worked for a roofing company, they moved about 8-10 million dollars a
year. The owner of the compan
The day is going to happen in the "not so distant" future when there
will be CMOS based 70 to 90 Ghz radios the size of a pack of smokes.
These will only effectively send data about a few hundred feet. These
radios will do over 1 Gbps from day one. The idea is to run them back to
back from stre
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should
John
Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each
other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their
clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try
Tom,
How do you think 70 ghz gear will cost pennies and help us? For a 1 mile ptp
link you need 4 ft dishes on each end, I cant imagine this working for us in
ptp or ptmp ...
Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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787.767.7466
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I need to mount a 24dB grid 15' above the top of an existing privately owned utility pole. Any suggestions on bracket, mast, etc.?
Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net
The season is Christmas, not X-mas
LOL.
Because I still enjoy coming to work each day and I'm making a good
living... and I get to do what I want from replacing bad radios on
top of 9,000ft mountains to changing out light bulbs (literally)... ;)
Of course, there are days that aren't so good Christmas Eve I had to
Travis Johnson wrote:
I have been saying for YEARS on these lists that you can NOT compete
on price... you have to compete on service and customer support. Period.
We currently charge $10 per month more than CableOne. They are selling
an "up to 3meg connection" for $29.95. I currently sell a
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Bob made a good point regarding contracts.
Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in.
Charge install fees because you can, so yoour gear is paid for by the
time FIOS does come, and you are in the position to be your most
competitive.
My view is
I have been saying for YEARS on these lists that you can NOT compete on
price... you have to compete on service and customer support. Period.
We currently charge $10 per month more than CableOne. They are selling
an "up to 3meg connection" for $29.95. I currently sell a 512k
connection for $40
Bob made a good point regarding contracts.
Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in.
Charge install fees because you can, so yoour gear is paid for by the time
FIOS does come, and you are in the position to be your most competitive.
My view is that it is a time stal
I just recently learned about Gabriel's Dual Pol 2ft parabolic (28.5 dbi)
offering. Supports 5.2-5.8Ghz.
Its only about $360 from Tessco.
However, as far as Dual band antennas, they make em, but not sure whats best
to buy. We typically don't use them, because we use the different bands for
di
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Ah but what about the new customer who is comparing FIOS to what I offer? FIOS
will have tv and voip ( we do voip now but no tv )
Times are a changing and verizon is putting flyers on everything around boston,
ma to promote FIOS, like pizza box's, dry cleaning slips et
Right. Unless there's a technology upgrade soon in the 2 / 5 gig areas, we're
going to
need something else to compete...
I have a 20 meg feed right now, and it's about 1.5 meg average... But to no
customers can
I deliver more than 10 meg to without a fortune in hardware
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I don't know...I think its kind of a cute idea! :-)
OK...But as a board member I cannot condone such business tactics. Play
fair now.
As you were..
-B-
Tom DeReggi wrote:
I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to
those type of poor neighbor policies. Fir
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Currently I am running separate antennas/radio's/systems on my backhauls (old
karlnet gear) and the new MT/rb532/nstream stuff but I'm looking to find the
best solution :-)
How often do the feedhorns die?
Well...not to often. I have changed maybe 8 in my whole lif
Don't try and beat it, because you can't, based on bandwdith.
The saviour is nobody needs 15mbps when they are only using 15kbps now.
Offer things that are more useful to the clients than jsut bandwdith, that
has zero value since its never going to be used any way.
You may want to compete on
Virtual AP, is a very useful feature, but for other NICE reasons.
You can give your clients multiple ways to connect, to guarantee
compatibilty. For example, The higher cost, manually configured service may
connect through Virtual AP1 that MAC authenticates, to support all VPN
technologies. Or
I can get a 100Mbps or 200Mbps feed today at very good pricing (what I would pay
for a T1 5 years ago :-)) but the problem I see it is delivering 15+Mbps in a
PtMP setup
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I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading
content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some
bursts) other traffic is not limited
But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from
Currently I am running separate antennas/radio's/systems on my backhauls (old
karlnet gear) and the new MT/rb532/nstream stuff but I'm looking to find the
best solution :-)
How often do the feedhorns die?
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And that's why having them sealed into a contract like Bob believes in protects
you :)
Won't be long before YOU can get that feed (maybe from another ISP) as well and
start feeding it into wireless shtuff
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I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to those
type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed to admit it
openly on the list. Second you are borderlining on legality. You just
provided evidence that you purposely attempt to degrade another businesses
abil
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Looks like I may have to use a dual POL dish (pacwireless makes on) basically
I'm looking for redundancy, ie: using 2 rb532 so if 1 fails the other will still
work, but only want 1 antenna as pricing is costly on this tower
Dan
That's a smart move. And you can buy
Ah but what about the new customer who is comparing FIOS to what I offer? FIOS
will have tv and voip ( we do voip now but no tv )
Times are a changing and verizon is putting flyers on everything around boston,
ma to promote FIOS, like pizza box's, dry cleaning slips etc
Dan
> -Original Mes
I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading
content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some
bursts) other traffic is not limited
But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from
verizon for $50 and only XX
Looks like I may have to use a dual POL dish (pacwireless makes on) basically
I'm looking for redundancy, ie: using 2 rb532 so if 1 fails the other will still
work, but only want 1 antenna as pricing is costly on this tower
Dan
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It is reasons like this that I am a firm believer in contracts!
-B-
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Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and
reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps
for $49.95 a month seems like a really goo
Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over
p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers?
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Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and
reports are it could be available in 2006 - check
I was told by superpass that they are dual, thats the only reason we
bought them. the "either/or" ones are the single jack ones, the
dual-jack ones are dual-band.
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Rick Smith wrote:
They're
They're not really "dual" they're "either/or".
One panel to do BOTH would be awesome, but for now nothing of the sort exists,
save for the dual-pol dishes for use with orthogon,
etc...
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Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and
reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps
for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat,
currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to t
highest gain i've seen on dual-band is the superpass ones.
http://www.superpass.com/DUAL-GJ.html
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robert maier wrote:
I've only heard of dual polorized, but could be wrong, we order those
fr
I've only heard of dual polorized, but could be wrong, we order those from Maxrad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a dual band high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz and 5ghz 19db+)- does such a beast exist?ThanksDan-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Versio
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Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what positive
effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a good thing to do.
Scriv
Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each
other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the bro
I do that too, 3 competitors have towers
all within ¼ mile of each other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the
broadcast off, their clients associate to me and I deny all their access so
when they try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant
figure out why it does
actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted
to see if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't
route based on Virtual AP SSID
Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be
cool, on a wholesale level...
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, John Scrivner wrote:
associate and use the AP. One nice feature is the ability to set
different AP features for each SSID. For instance you can have
different WEP or other security settings for each virtual AP. Nice
feature.
Yes, this is a nice feature. MT also allows y
What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then what, do you get called by the competitor?
I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help you?
I like the wholesale idea though. I may have
I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on an
AP, and set up 40 "virtual AP's" on the network with each client on
his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me to kick up
the antenna gain like with the CPE?
The FCC looks at the physical layer for determin
Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do DSL) :)
I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a local
computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" -
the virtual SSID thing was a natural win...
Not sure about the broadcast thing...hav
Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a
secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it.
Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during
a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so you can
access the CPE with the "
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