Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true, however, it misses the point I was making. When engineering a network, one part of that task to to select equipment. There is some gear that is more suited to specific types of tasks than is other gear that can accomplish the same thing. My point was that the networking and RF parts of the engineering cannot be separated because both parts will affect what gear is used. Which brings up the question, Which vendor do you think does a good job of that? (i.e. intelligently integrating the RF and networking components into a single product?) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their "up to 3meg premium service" and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months). Here's the real kicker... they will have spent $40 million dollars to roll out 15 cities (this is direct from their GM to me). She was pretty proud of herself with that statement. So that's $2.6 million per city... and I'm talking some cities with 15,000 population (their biggest had 120,000). Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Future
Is that 2.5 Wimax gear? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their up to 3meg premium service and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months). Here's the real kicker... they will have spent $40 million dollars to roll out 15 cities (this is direct from their GM to me). She was pretty proud of herself with that statement. So that's $2.6 million per city... and I'm talking some cities with 15,000 population (their biggest had 120,000). Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [WISPA] Future
Yes. Gino Villarini wrote: Is that 2.5 Wimax gear? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their up to 3meg premium service and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months). Here's the real kicker... they will have spent $40 million dollars to roll out 15 cities (this is direct from their GM to me). She was pretty proud of herself with that statement. So that's $2.6 million per city... and I'm talking some cities with 15,000 population (their biggest had 120,000). Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. --
Re: [WISPA] Future
Are they doing self-install? Is there a contract required? Travis Johnson wrote: Yes. Gino Villarini wrote: Is that 2.5 Wimax gear? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their up to 3meg premium service and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months). Here's the real kicker... they will have spent $40 million dollars to roll out 15 cities (this is direct from their GM to me). She was pretty proud of herself with that statement. So that's $2.6 million per city... and I'm talking some cities with 15,000 population (their biggest had 120,000). Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV
[WISPA] cable throughput
It's interesting to me that the cable companies who at present have some of the fastest available consumer broadband speeds are actually shooting themselves in the foot by giving the bandwidth to cable modems, but at the same time running out of space for their tv programming. Here's a decent article talking about HD and the complaints from it's customers. Notice the amount of bandwidth to deliver some HD channels. snip/ For example, Discovery's bit rate was 14.16 megabits per second on Verizon's FiOS system but only 10.43 Mbps on Comcast; AE HD was 18.66 Mbps on FiOS compared with 14.48 Mbps on Comcast. The FiOS system didn't offer Sci Fi HD, which Fowler's testing showed at 12.59 Mbps on Comcast. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_hi_te/compressed_hd;_ylt=AuEPJDRe3CN7TvgY1hhBuN0jtBAF WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
http://www.digitalbridgecommunications.com Scott Reed wrote: Are they doing self-install? Is there a contract required? Travis Johnson wrote: Yes. Gino Villarini wrote: Is that 2.5 Wimax gear? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their "up to 3meg premium service" and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months). Here's the real kicker... they will have spent $40 million dollars to roll out 15 cities (this is direct from their GM to me). She was pretty proud of herself with that statement. So that's $2.6 million per city... and I'm talking some cities with 15,000 population (their biggest had 120,000). Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA List" wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing
Re: [WISPA] Future
This depends on your market and how you're running your business. If you've made decisions that were risky and didn't pan out, and you're getting phone calls left and right and your kids don't see you... Sell and have a better life. For those of us who are working hard but not in crisis mode all the time...There will be a time to sell, and most likely it will be when you're tired of running your business. You'll have ups downs, but don't listen to the fear inside your head. Install your customers and KEEP THEM HAPPY. In other words, don't give them a reason to CONSIDER other options. Yes, there will be that 5% chomping at the bit for more bandwidth and will leave you in half a heartbeat once a faster service is available to them...let them go. And don't worry about them again. Reclaim their equipment and charge an install fee for it to someone else (if that's what you do). I remember...not a week after we started our businessin 2001...We noticed the Starband (satellite provider) web site. And we thought Well, that blows our service if everyone can get satellite. Didn't happen. When Qwest came into town we thought well there goes all of our 'in-town' customers. Didn't happen. Then Comcast came into town with their 6megs...same thing. I do believe that those who focus on rural areas (as we do) will almost always have less churn, but this comes at a price of growing slower unless you expand your wireless footprint. Even with the expanding markets, you can still have value to your customers, and service your niche, at all times. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] cable throughput
They'd have a lot more bandwidth available for Internet and HD if they abandoned their analog services. There are also more aggressive MPEG4 systems out there that produce high quality images with less bandwidth being used by IPTV companies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] cable throughput It's interesting to me that the cable companies who at present have some of the fastest available consumer broadband speeds are actually shooting themselves in the foot by giving the bandwidth to cable modems, but at the same time running out of space for their tv programming. Here's a decent article talking about HD and the complaints from it's customers. Notice the amount of bandwidth to deliver some HD channels. snip/ For example, Discovery's bit rate was 14.16 megabits per second on Verizon's FiOS system but only 10.43 Mbps on Comcast; AE HD was 18.66 Mbps on FiOS compared with 14.48 Mbps on Comcast. The FiOS system didn't offer Sci Fi HD, which Fowler's testing showed at 12.59 Mbps on Comcast. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_hi_te/compressed_hd;_ylt=AuEPJDRe3CN7TvgY1hhBuN0jtBAF WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] cable throughput
Yes, but don't tell 'em ;-) They have been in the cat-bird seat all along and have fumbled repeatedly. When they became CLECs and started selling dial tone, they invented a whole new layer to do it rather than adopt ISDN/DS0/IP-VOIP or other pre-existing telco methods. I know telcos that bought CATV systems and actually put analog subscriber carrier phone systems on TV channels back in the late 1970s. And then they didn't pick up on long distance packages or equal access or any of the other features that telco subscribers are used to having. If I had had a HFC cable system, you can bet FTTH would have been already deployed by now. They cling to the technology that is unique to only CATV operators and for some reason have ignored the natural evolution of all things fiber. And while they delay FTTH, the RBOCs are going to sail right past them and have all physical facilities based customers if they price it right. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] cable throughput They'd have a lot more bandwidth available for Internet and HD if they abandoned their analog services. There are also more aggressive MPEG4 systems out there that produce high quality images with less bandwidth being used by IPTV companies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] cable throughput It's interesting to me that the cable companies who at present have some of the fastest available consumer broadband speeds are actually shooting themselves in the foot by giving the bandwidth to cable modems, but at the same time running out of space for their tv programming. Here's a decent article talking about HD and the complaints from it's customers. Notice the amount of bandwidth to deliver some HD channels. snip/ For example, Discovery's bit rate was 14.16 megabits per second on Verizon's FiOS system but only 10.43 Mbps on Comcast; AE HD was 18.66 Mbps on FiOS compared with 14.48 Mbps on Comcast. The FiOS system didn't offer Sci Fi HD, which Fowler's testing showed at 12.59 Mbps on Comcast. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_hi_te/compressed_hd;_ylt=AuEPJDRe3CN7TvgY1hhBuN0jtBAF WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower lighting
Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Tower lighting is Regulated by the FCC, and I don't think they will change the way they regulate towering lighting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Asking politely often works wonders. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Yeahbut, I don't believe strobes are mandated. I think red obstruction lighting is always an option. American towers used white strobes in lots of rural areas around here. All the broadcasters are still red. If it really bugged me, I would offer to pay for the conversion to red if they would do it. I wouldn't be surprised to learn the strobes might last longer, but with LED edison base bulb replacements, that might not be an issue any longer. You mention an EA. If there was an EA, visual resource management plans are sometimes part of the EA. If you have a VRMP for that area, you might get a copy and become familiar with it. - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Tower lighting is Regulated by the FCC, and I don't think they will change the way they regulate towering lighting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
We had the same thing about a mile from us. A couple of the neighbors called the tower owner. They changed it to white strobes during the day and red lights after dusk controlled by a sensor. I did not ask the neighbors how much trouble it was, but the change happened pretty quickly so I assume not much. Ken Chipps chris cooper wrote: Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I will say, as a pilot, I do appreciate the white strobes during the day. - Original Message - From: Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting We had the same thing about a mile from us. A couple of the neighbors called the tower owner. They changed it to white strobes during the day and red lights after dusk controlled by a sensor. I did not ask the neighbors how much trouble it was, but the change happened pretty quickly so I assume not much. Ken Chipps chris cooper wrote: Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I will say, as a pilot, I do appreciate the white strobes during the day. - Original Message - From: Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting We had the same thing about a mile from us. A couple of the neighbors called the tower owner. They changed it to white strobes during the day and red lights after dusk controlled by a sensor. I did not ask the neighbors how much trouble it was, but the change happened pretty quickly so I assume not much. Ken Chipps chris cooper wrote: Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1381 - Release Date: 4/16/2008 9:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1381 - Release Date: 4/16/2008 9:34 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Over 200 they have to light. That is for certain. But I have seen taller that were lit with strobes and not painted. - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I use to build communications towers for a living, and what you say about the strobe is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
Actually, most of that $40M would have been for spectrum acquisition, which in the accounting world is marked as an asset. They also constructed a major NOC center. The wireless hardware is a small minority of the spending. Patrick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their up to 3meg premium service and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months). Here's the real kicker... they will have spent $40 million dollars to roll out 15 cities (this is direct from their GM to me). She was pretty proud of herself with that statement. So that's $2.6 million per city... and I'm talking some cities with 15,000 population (their biggest had 120,000). Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett
Re: [WISPA] Future
I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Future
Regardless... my point is they have invested $40M and I am offering higher speeds, for less money, with less cost per CPE and AP... and I have 10x the coverage they do in my market. The GM even mentioned and if Sprint or Clearwire were to come to town with a check, we would definitely look at it... which means, once again, they are not in it for the long haul... and their customer service, and quality of service, will show that the longer they are in business. They are looking for the buyout to take their money (and profit) and run. Travis Microserv Patrick Leary wrote: Actually, most of that $40M would have been for spectrum acquisition, which in the accounting world is marked as an asset. They also constructed a major NOC center. The wireless hardware is a small minority of the spending. Patrick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their up to 3meg premium service and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months). Here's the real kicker... they will have spent $40 million dollars to roll out 15 cities (this is direct from their GM to me). She was pretty proud of herself with that statement. So that's $2.6 million per city... and I'm talking some cities with 15,000 population (their biggest had 120,000). Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be
Re: [WISPA] Future
WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Nope. Thats untrue. You can elect to strobe the tower during the day, and use either the white strobe or red lights during night, and NOT have to paint the tower, even if over 200 feet. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I use to build communications towers for a living, and what you say about the strobe is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Just a different model Travis. You have a good business that continues to scale and you have a strong local connection. What DBC is not evil and they are doing extraordinarily well so far. They have a model that is working for them. The best point is that you and they prove there is room for both because you offer different value propositions. Neither you nor them are receiving subsidies to do this -- both of you are using private money. If folks don't like the service -- either from you or them -- they'll go elsewhere. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Regardless... my point is they have invested $40M and I am offering higher speeds, for less money, with less cost per CPE and AP... and I have 10x the coverage they do in my market. The GM even mentioned and if Sprint or Clearwire were to come to town with a check, we would definitely look at it... which means, once again, they are not in it for the long haul... and their customer service, and quality of service, will show that the longer they are in business. They are looking for the buyout to take their money (and profit) and run. Travis Microserv Patrick Leary wrote: Actually, most of that $40M would have been for spectrum acquisition, which in the accounting world is marked as an asset. They also constructed a major NOC center. The wireless hardware is a small minority of the spending. Patrick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their up to 3meg premium service and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months). Here's the real kicker... they will have spent $40 million dollars to roll out 15 cities (this is direct from their GM to me). She was pretty proud of herself with that statement. So that's $2.6 million per city... and I'm talking some cities with 15,000 population (their biggest had 120,000). Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
And actually, the bit about over 200 you HAVE to light has exceptions. You can ask for an exception if the tower is close to a taller tower that is lit. It has to be very close. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Over 200 they have to light. That is for certain. But I have seen taller that were lit with strobes and not painted. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
But if you don't strobe in day do you have to paint? - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Nope. Thats untrue. You can elect to strobe the tower during the day, and use either the white strobe or red lights during night, and NOT have to paint the tower, even if over 200 feet. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I use to build communications towers for a living, and what you say about the strobe is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
The problem with changing the strobe is that they will have to then paint the tower for daytime operations. This is the seven segment orange and white pattern typically. Most tower owners don't want to do this because painting the tower is a pain and repainting is a somewhat subjective requirement based on how visible the existing color still is. The people in the neighborhood need to decide if they want to look at the strobe or the paint before they start to do much of anything in the way of asking the tower owner. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I would not guess that the issue is the strobe during the day, but the issue would be the strobe at night. Leaving the strobe, and changing it to a dual mode system is do-able, and will not require the tower to be painted. If they have an issue with the strobe during the day, they need to get to Walmart and purchase a life. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting The problem with changing the strobe is that they will have to then paint the tower for daytime operations. This is the seven segment orange and white pattern typically. Most tower owners don't want to do this because painting the tower is a pain and repainting is a somewhat subjective requirement based on how visible the existing color still is. The people in the neighborhood need to decide if they want to look at the strobe or the paint before they start to do much of anything in the way of asking the tower owner. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Correct. In order to not paint, you have to strobe the tower during the day. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting But if you don't strobe in day do you have to paint? - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Nope. Thats untrue. You can elect to strobe the tower during the day, and use either the white strobe or red lights during night, and NOT have to paint the tower, even if over 200 feet. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I use to build communications towers for a living, and what you say about the strobe is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that aren't painted. Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
lol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that aren't painted. Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
haha, nice comment there at the end... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I would not guess that the issue is the strobe during the day, but the issue would be the strobe at night. Leaving the strobe, and changing it to a dual mode system is do-able, and will not require the tower to be painted. If they have an issue with the strobe during the day, they need to get to Walmart and purchase a life. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting The problem with changing the strobe is that they will have to then paint the tower for daytime operations. This is the seven segment orange and white pattern typically. Most tower owners don't want to do this because painting the tower is a pain and repainting is a somewhat subjective requirement based on how visible the existing color still is. The people in the neighborhood need to decide if they want to look at the strobe or the paint before they start to do much of anything in the way of asking the tower owner. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that aren't painted. Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then. The best part about posting to large lists is how quickly third-party information is either substantiated or shredded to millions of pieces. Thank goodness I'm just a network nerd and not the tower expert. We collocate some gear on a parasitic/backup AM tower that's around 250' or so. The active, main tower is 400' (it was supposed to be 800 but they gave up for one reason or another). He commented how everything of ours would have to be painted except our white dish that is in a white portion. He may have been quoting us (and is living by) pre-strobe rules. Or maybe they do what they do because they're AM towers.. in the proximity (~5 miles) of a large airport, etc. etc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Finally!! Some closure. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Okay, here are the rules from the source: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular .nsf/0/b993dcdfc37fcdc486257251005c4e21/$FILE/AC70_7460_1K.pdf Generally, towers over 200' or that rise above a projected plane of protection (no pun intended) around a public airport must be either painted and lit with red at night, or strobed (and optionally lit with red at night in lieu of the strobe). Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Bryan Scott wrote: I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that aren't painted. Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then. The best part about posting to large lists is how quickly third-party information is either substantiated or shredded to millions of pieces. Thank goodness I'm just a network nerd and not the tower expert. We collocate some gear on a parasitic/backup AM tower that's around 250' or so. The active, main tower is 400' (it was supposed to be 800 but they gave up for one reason or another). He commented how everything of ours would have to be painted except our white dish that is in a white portion. He may have been quoting us (and is living by) pre-strobe rules. Or maybe they do what they do because they're AM towers.. in the proximity (~5 miles) of a large airport, etc. etc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Walmart has everything! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting haha, nice comment there at the end... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Okay, here are the rules from the source: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/b993dcdfc37fcdc486257251005c4e21/$FILE/AC70_7460_1K.pdf Generally, towers over 200' or that rise above a projected plane of protection (no pun intended) around a public airport must be either painted and lit with red at night, or strobed (and optionally lit with red at night in lieu of the strobe). Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Bryan Scott wrote: I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that aren't painted. Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then. The best part about posting to large lists is how quickly third-party information is either substantiated or shredded to millions of pieces. Thank goodness I'm just a network nerd and not the tower expert. We collocate some gear on a parasitic/backup AM tower that's around 250' or so. The active, main tower is 400' (it was supposed to be 800 but they gave up for one reason or another). He commented how everything of ours would have to be painted except our white dish that is in a white portion. He may have been quoting us (and is living by) pre-strobe rules. Or maybe they do what they do because they're AM towers.. in the proximity (~5 miles) of a large airport, etc. etc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
This should be interesting... Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10
Re: [WISPA] Future
The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will
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Like so many things in this business, it depends on the frequency, power and especially the channel size (which are small in licensed allocations). In theory, you could do 70 mbps and 30 miles with a number of technologies given the right channel size and power. WiMAX does offer really high efficiency that is about 2x of 802.11a, so you can pack some decent capacity in a small channel and with high levels of diversity you can create excellent coverage and multiply the capacity. In a 5 MHz channel in 2.5 GHz (BRS/EBS range) a common average service level could be 2 mbps down/1 mbps up using a self-install indoor modem 2-3 miles. I know of customers that have such a model and have 100 customers on the sector. Obviously there is some over subscription, which can be higher in licensed than unlicensed (and due to the fact that the MAC that is used in licensed WiMAX runs less overhead than 802.11 or other UL PMP gear). Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from
[WISPA] MTI Antennas
MT-485025/SVH/E I am looking for these from MTI. Anyone know of a US distributer that might have stock? It is a dual pol 23 dbi that goes on the 1 foot enclosure. I am making some backhauls. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Of course it would Chuck. But in the case of Canopy speeds being higher, that is strictly because it uses 4x the channel (20 MHz for the Canopy vs. 5 MHz for 2.5 GHz WiMAX). By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same channel size. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development,
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Brad, that's bull. The only reason any Alvarion person won't say what the speed is is because they might not be sure, and since the 3650 is in beta, no one Can say with honesty and certainty what the speeds of BreezeMAX 3650 are. We can guess, but the person who spoke to you is likely junior, green and not too comfortable going there yet. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss products (cold call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX gear. He avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that information yet. Redline was more forthright than Alvarion and came right out and admitted the WiMAX payloads were a good bit less than what we have available today in UL gear. Essentially the conversation moved completely away from WiMAX and back to Redline's UL gear. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the
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Speed is the only thing I have to sell. 5.4 has opened up plenty of BW for us now. I am fine with 20MHz channels. So what we are shopping for is something that will give our customers a 25 Mbps download speed in a 20-25 MHz channel UL at a price that will not break the bank. Mot OFDM is supposed to be able to do this but we haven't been able to test it yet. - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Of course it would Chuck. But in the case of Canopy speeds being higher, that is strictly because it uses 4x the channel (20 MHz for the Canopy vs. 5 MHz for 2.5 GHz WiMAX). By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same channel size. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a
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OK, so what is the answer to the question below? - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here. We have deployed a number of Redline 3.65 radios. Which UL radio provides more payload in a single polarization at an equivalent channel size, distance and signal level? -Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss products (cold call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX gear. He avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that information yet. Redline was more forthright than Alvarion and came right out and admitted the WiMAX payloads were a good bit less than what we have available today in UL gear. Essentially the conversation moved completely away from WiMAX and back to Redline's UL gear. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub- canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer
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By the way, the public presentations we have on this have specific slides that give expectations on range using various CPE. Those will be released just prior to the mid-May launch. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Brad, that's bull. The only reason any Alvarion person won't say what the speed is is because they might not be sure, and since the 3650 is in beta, no one Can say with honesty and certainty what the speeds of BreezeMAX 3650 are. We can guess, but the person who spoke to you is likely junior, green and not too comfortable going there yet. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss products (cold call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX gear. He avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that information yet. Redline was more forthright than Alvarion and came right out and admitted the WiMAX payloads were a good bit less than what we have available today in UL gear. Essentially the conversation moved completely away from WiMAX and back to Redline's UL gear. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will
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I get that Chuck. I was just trying to make sure people knew we were not talking about apples to apples. Channel size is key for ANY technology in terms of capacity and comparing capacities in the absence of making clear the channel size being discussed will be misleading. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Speed is the only thing I have to sell. 5.4 has opened up plenty of BW for us now. I am fine with 20MHz channels. So what we are shopping for is something that will give our customers a 25 Mbps download speed in a 20-25 MHz channel UL at a price that will not break the bank. Mot OFDM is supposed to be able to do this but we haven't been able to test it yet. - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Of course it would Chuck. But in the case of Canopy speeds being higher, that is strictly because it uses 4x the channel (20 MHz for the Canopy vs. 5 MHz for 2.5 GHz WiMAX). By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same channel size. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas
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Holy bat guano robin. I was hoping these things would be a good filler for the smaller areas. Do they have a down up ratio adjust to make them symmetrical for BH use? Any range data? Can they do Canopy ranges? - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I interrupt this posting by announcing my recent test with the ubiquity nano station 5 ... Using 20 mhz channels, 24 Mbps downlink , 12 Mbps uplink ... simultaneously ... not gad for a piece of $80 Canopy Copycat ... jejeje Ill keep you guys posted on more recent developments Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Of course it would Chuck. But in the case of Canopy speeds being higher, that is strictly because it uses 4x the channel (20 MHz for the Canopy vs. 5 MHz for 2.5 GHz WiMAX). By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same channel size. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also
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More Testing with the NS5: Using 5 Mhz channels ... 17 MBps Downlink 10 Mbps Uplinks ... Wow! Obviously I have the SuperA options enabled (FastFrame, Bursting and Compression)... still ... impressive for a $80 radio All this test are bench test using Mikrotik Bandwidth test tool ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here. We have deployed a number of Redline 3.65 radios. Which UL radio provides more payload in a single polarization at an equivalent channel size, distance and signal level? -Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss products (cold call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX gear. He avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that information yet. Redline was more forthright than Alvarion and came right out and admitted the WiMAX payloads were a good bit less than what we have available today in UL gear. Essentially the conversation moved completely away from WiMAX and back to Redline's UL gear. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub- canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones.
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Right, so do you have a grid, graph or nomograph or something that can give us an idea? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I get that Chuck. I was just trying to make sure people knew we were not talking about apples to apples. Channel size is key for ANY technology in terms of capacity and comparing capacities in the absence of making clear the channel size being discussed will be misleading. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Speed is the only thing I have to sell. 5.4 has opened up plenty of BW for us now. I am fine with 20MHz channels. So what we are shopping for is something that will give our customers a 25 Mbps download speed in a 20-25 MHz channel UL at a price that will not break the bank. Mot OFDM is supposed to be able to do this but we haven't been able to test it yet. - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Of course it would Chuck. But in the case of Canopy speeds being higher, that is strictly because it uses 4x the channel (20 MHz for the Canopy vs. 5 MHz for 2.5 GHz WiMAX). By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same channel size. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used
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We see 10Mbps FDX with iperf in 7Mhz channels on the Redline gear. For those who pay attention, this is a layer 3 test over 802.1q with 1500 MTU using a 5ms TDD. Oh yeah and it was tested 2.7 miles NLOS at -82 RSSI. If we tweaked for throughput as opposed to latency we could beat that. However, we prefer lower latency since we have to provide QoS for VoIP. -Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: More Testing with the NS5: Using 5 Mhz channels ... 17 MBps Downlink 10 Mbps Uplinks ... Wow! Obviously I have the SuperA options enabled (FastFrame, Bursting and Compression)... still ... impressive for a $80 radio All this test are bench test using Mikrotik Bandwidth test tool ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here. We have deployed a number of Redline 3.65 radios. Which UL radio provides more payload in a single polarization at an equivalent channel size, distance and signal level? -Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss products (cold call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX gear. He avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that information yet. Redline was more forthright than Alvarion and came right out and admitted the WiMAX payloads were a good bit less than what we have available today in UL gear. Essentially the conversation moved completely away from WiMAX and back to Redline's UL gear. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub- canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the
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They don't have a down/up ratio control , but all my test seem like the subscriber unit allotted more BW for Downlink ... No Range data yet... the tx power goes from 0 to 24 db ...Not Bad, and you have that external sma connector for panels , grids and dishes You have the option to software select: Vertical, Horizontal , Adaptive or External Antenna... The adaptive option I assume is to pick the best from all.. The do have some Basic QOS settings (Down / UP MIR) and some 802.x QOS for VOIP and Video With ho traffic, pings were in the 1 - 2 ms range, fully loaded, 1500 byte pings went to about 30 ms Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Bryan Scott Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Holy bat guano robin. I was hoping these things would be a good filler for the smaller areas. Do they have a down up ratio adjust to make them symmetrical for BH use? Any range data? Can they do Canopy ranges? - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I interrupt this posting by announcing my recent test with the ubiquity nano station 5 ... Using 20 mhz channels, 24 Mbps downlink , 12 Mbps uplink ... simultaneously ... not gad for a piece of $80 Canopy Copycat ... jejeje Ill keep you guys posted on more recent developments Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Of course it would Chuck. But in the case of Canopy speeds being higher, that is strictly because it uses 4x the channel (20 MHz for the Canopy vs. 5 MHz for 2.5 GHz WiMAX). By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same channel size. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was
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Yep. It is the efficiency of WiMAX that plays the role here. We can do about 12 mbps net as a peak rate in a 5 MHz channel, but that is not something you'd offer customers in a sector you were looking to scale. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future We see 10Mbps FDX with iperf in 7Mhz channels on the Redline gear. For those who pay attention, this is a layer 3 test over 802.1q with 1500 MTU using a 5ms TDD. Oh yeah and it was tested 2.7 miles NLOS at -82 RSSI. If we tweaked for throughput as opposed to latency we could beat that. However, we prefer lower latency since we have to provide QoS for VoIP. -Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: More Testing with the NS5: Using 5 Mhz channels ... 17 MBps Downlink 10 Mbps Uplinks ... Wow! Obviously I have the SuperA options enabled (FastFrame, Bursting and Compression)... still ... impressive for a $80 radio All this test are bench test using Mikrotik Bandwidth test tool ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here. We have deployed a number of Redline 3.65 radios. Which UL radio provides more payload in a single polarization at an equivalent channel size, distance and signal level? -Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss products (cold call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX gear. He avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that information yet. Redline was more forthright than Alvarion and came right out and admitted the WiMAX payloads were a good bit less than what we have available today in UL gear. Essentially the conversation moved completely away from WiMAX and back to Redline's UL gear. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub- canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead
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We prefer to be allowed to break the WiMAX standard and tweak things more to our liking. For example, 3.5 and 7 Mhz channels are annoying for only 25Mhz of spectrum. It would be nice to have access to 5 and 14 Mhz channel widths. -Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Yep. It is the efficiency of WiMAX that plays the role here. We can do about 12 mbps net as a peak rate in a 5 MHz channel, but that is not something you'd offer customers in a sector you were looking to scale. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future We see 10Mbps FDX with iperf in 7Mhz channels on the Redline gear. For those who pay attention, this is a layer 3 test over 802.1q with 1500 MTU using a 5ms TDD. Oh yeah and it was tested 2.7 miles NLOS at -82 RSSI. If we tweaked for throughput as opposed to latency we could beat that. However, we prefer lower latency since we have to provide QoS for VoIP. -Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: More Testing with the NS5: Using 5 Mhz channels ... 17 MBps Downlink 10 Mbps Uplinks ... Wow! Obviously I have the SuperA options enabled (FastFrame, Bursting and Compression)... still ... impressive for a $80 radio All this test are bench test using Mikrotik Bandwidth test tool ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here. We have deployed a number of Redline 3.65 radios. Which UL radio provides more payload in a single polarization at an equivalent channel size, distance and signal level? -Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss products (cold call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX gear. He avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that information yet. Redline was more forthright than Alvarion and came right out and admitted the WiMAX payloads were a good bit less than what we have available today in UL gear. Essentially the conversation moved completely away from WiMAX and back to Redline's UL gear. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub- canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have
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By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same channel size. Unless there have been some terrific changes made to Alvarion VL since our last run around the block with it, your statement will only hold true in RF friendly environments. Add a healthy dose of noise/interference and the VL will sit and wait for clear air before it transmits resulting in wildly inconsistent payload capacity. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Of course it would Chuck. But in the case of Canopy speeds being higher, that is strictly because it uses 4x the channel (20 MHz for the Canopy vs. 5 MHz for 2.5 GHz WiMAX). By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same channel size. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on
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You said it Patrick, not me! I completely agree that it's bull an Alvarion rep that cold called me couldn't/wouldn't give me any idea as to what the expected payload will be for the 3650 gear. As if we are to believe Alvarion has no idea what the gear will be able to produce. Geesh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Brad, that's bull. The only reason any Alvarion person won't say what the speed is is because they might not be sure, and since the 3650 is in beta, no one Can say with honesty and certainty what the speeds of BreezeMAX 3650 are. We can guess, but the person who spoke to you is likely junior, green and not too comfortable going there yet. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss products (cold call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX gear. He avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that information yet. Redline was more forthright than Alvarion and came right out and admitted the WiMAX payloads were a good bit less than what we have available today in UL gear. Essentially the conversation moved completely away from WiMAX and back to Redline's UL gear. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for
Re: [WISPA] Future
Patrick, Excellent point on channel sizes! So if WiMAX is released in unlicensed frequencies of 900, 2.4? , 5.X, 3.6 (we are in a big exclusion zone.) I imagine if you deployed in 2.4 it would smoke the home routers. Would our capacity double for the same channel sizes? Would it use the same channel sizes? Would it help with range and capacity? Will WiMax help tree penetration? Can Physics be bent? In legacy deployments, would or could it improve our back hauls? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for
Re: [WISPA] FW: ATT: Internet to hit full capacity by 2010 | Tech News on ZDNet
In three years' time, 20 typical households will generate more traffic than the entire Internet today. I'm sure that's a typo, it better be, or I KNOW I'm in trouble! :) Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff LeBoeuf Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] FW: ATT: Internet to hit full capacity by 2010 | Tech News on ZDNet Subject: ATT: Internet to hit full capacity by 2010 | Tech News on ZDNet http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6237715.html?tag=nl.e550 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RSTP problems with simultaneous WiFi + wired connection
I'm not sure what RSTP is and don't want to research it currently, but I can tell you about one painful scenario: a few years ago, Thinkpads (might have been IBM, or maybe it was just after the Lenovo change) shipped with some software that offered to help you manage the wireless networking. If the laptop was plugged into ethernet and then joined a wireless network, it would offer to bridge the connections. Saying yes would create a packet storm on our building network. We had a few of the storms over several months. It seems like that bridging option was dropped from the Thinkpads eventually (or you could switch to windows zero config and avoid it). Maybe do a search on arp storm, I think that is what was happening. On April 18, at 10:42 PM April 18, Rogelio wrote: A friend told me that if a computer wifi connection supports RSTP, and if I'm, say, logged on a wired network *and* logged on one of my wireless network devices that I could create some sort of RSTP disaster (a loop, perhaps?) I'm not quite sure I understand this and was hoping someone here might point me in the right direction to understanding. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future
Travis, Could you share what hardware you use for the wireless firewall/router? I've been having more trouble with those than the radios mounted outside. thanks PS - I started with Zyxel p330. The ones I bought last year are mostly still working, but they seemed to change something for this year's model. I've also tried some Belkin and Linksys and still haven't found anything I consider good. On April 20, at 10:44 PM April 20, Travis Johnson wrote: You have to provide some value to your service. We offer local support, symmetrical speeds (upload is the same as download), free wireless firewall/router with install, real static IP address, etc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future
I've used the same list and when I got to Buffalo I stopped. I have installed wireless routers and bridges (especially to IQeye hi-res cameras w/multi-megapixel images) and these never had been rebooted in a year and a half...and, the connection is like a wire...no lockups, no hiccups, no strange incidents. Like a wire. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future Travis, Could you share what hardware you use for the wireless firewall/router? I've been having more trouble with those than the radios mounted outside. thanks PS - I started with Zyxel p330. The ones I bought last year are mostly still working, but they seemed to change something for this year's model. I've also tried some Belkin and Linksys and still haven't found anything I consider good. On April 20, at 10:44 PM April 20, Travis Johnson wrote: You have to provide some value to your service. We offer local support, symmetrical speeds (upload is the same as download), free wireless firewall/router with install, real static IP address, etc. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future
Hi, We use both Linksys and Netgear. Yes, they have problems... but when we are giving it away free, we have to balance "number of reboots required per year" vs. cost of the router. ;) Travis Microserv John Valenti wrote: Travis, Could you share what hardware you use for the wireless firewall/router? I've been having more trouble with those than the radios mounted outside. thanks PS - I started with Zyxel p330. The ones I bought last year are mostly still working, but they seemed to change something for this year's model. I've also tried some Belkin and Linksys and still haven't found anything I consider good. On April 20, at 10:44 PM April 20, Travis Johnson wrote: You have to provide some value to your service. We offer local support, symmetrical speeds (upload is the same as download), free wireless firewall/router with install, real static IP address, etc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] n00b 802.16 questions
On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Jeff Booher wrote: Ill be happy to answer this. On Apr 18, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Rogelio wrote: Excuse the ignorance, but two basic questions: (1) Why exactly is wimax such a disappointment? Wimax is not a dissapointment. The problem is the press jumped on the Wimax bandwagon WELL before the products were even in the market, and frankly there wasnt much product available in the US ( due to spectrum ). Wimax honestly will enable operators to delivery a carrier class fixed, system with lower CPE costs and still be capable of delivering the the high capacity needed to scale to thousands of subscribers per tower. Thousands of subscribers per tower is seriously doubtful unless 90% of them are inactive simultaneously. Depends on the bandwidth delivered per subscriber and yes, on a millesecond by millesecond basis, most CPE are not active 24/7 on a network. unlike polled solutions that do not scale up beyond 50+ subs per AP, the wimax MAC enables operators to add hundreds of subs to a single sector. I'm relatively new to the wireless space, and all I really understand is the tone of the articles I read, not really the IEEE specifications that limit it as a technology. AND (2) What is so special about 802.16e? If you are in the US, and you don't already own sub 3ghz spectrum, just ignore 802.16e. You wont be able to use it, really. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future
I have not had as good luck with the Buffalo's. They tend to lose their settings more frequently than our router of choice. We use the Linksys WRT54GL (note the l) routers exclusively now. We load DD-WRT on them to boost the power a little and give us the flexibility to do WDS with two of them if we need to. We turn off routing (routing is done via the client radio) and turn the internet port into a 5th LAN port. And we bundle them with a small APC UPS to deal with power issues. This has worked very well for us. I tried one of the Linksys N type routers (the black one that kind of looks like the B2 Stealth Bomber). It was about the same price as the WRT54GL. But in my testing I did not see any increase in range with my laptop. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future I've used the same list and when I got to Buffalo I stopped. I have installed wireless routers and bridges (especially to IQeye hi-res cameras w/multi-megapixel images) and these never had been rebooted in a year and a half...and, the connection is like a wire...no lockups, no hiccups, no strange incidents. Like a wire. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future Travis, Could you share what hardware you use for the wireless firewall/router? I've been having more trouble with those than the radios mounted outside. thanks PS - I started with Zyxel p330. The ones I bought last year are mostly still working, but they seemed to change something for this year's model. I've also tried some Belkin and Linksys and still haven't found anything I consider good. On April 20, at 10:44 PM April 20, Travis Johnson wrote: You have to provide some value to your service. We offer local support, symmetrical speeds (upload is the same as download), free wireless firewall/router with install, real static IP address, etc. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GSM - WiFi handover
That's cool. Where was this located? I'm curious On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Tom Warfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife drove about 70 mph and maintaned a ssh session I was working in for 3 hours. Then I was done working so I turned off the box. Not bad :) -Original Message- From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] GSM - WiFi handover Nigel Bruin wrote: On 19 Apr 2008, at 09:29, Christopher Orr wrote: Rogelio- I believe T-Mobile has that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the brand. Yup. UMA using Kineto equipment. Handover works well as long as you're not moving too fast. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MTI Antennas
Winncom in Chicago Brian Rohrbacher wrote: MT-485025/SVH/E I am looking for these from MTI. Anyone know of a US distributer that might have stock? It is a dual pol 23 dbi that goes on the 1 foot enclosure. I am making some backhauls. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1383 - Release Date: 4/17/2008 9:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future
Well, you agree with my son who swears by the DD-WRT-load in a Linksys. ...live and learn. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wallace L. Walcher Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future I have not had as good luck with the Buffalo's. They tend to lose their settings more frequently than our router of choice. We use the Linksys WRT54GL (note the l) routers exclusively now. We load DD-WRT on them to boost the power a little and give us the flexibility to do WDS with two of them if we need to. We turn off routing (routing is done via the client radio) and turn the internet port into a 5th LAN port. And we bundle them with a small APC UPS to deal with power issues. This has worked very well for us. I tried one of the Linksys N type routers (the black one that kind of looks like the B2 Stealth Bomber). It was about the same price as the WRT54GL. But in my testing I did not see any increase in range with my laptop. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future I've used the same list and when I got to Buffalo I stopped. I have installed wireless routers and bridges (especially to IQeye hi-res cameras w/multi-megapixel images) and these never had been rebooted in a year and a half...and, the connection is like a wire...no lockups, no hiccups, no strange incidents. Like a wire. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future Travis, Could you share what hardware you use for the wireless firewall/router? I've been having more trouble with those than the radios mounted outside. thanks PS - I started with Zyxel p330. The ones I bought last year are mostly still working, but they seemed to change something for this year's model. I've also tried some Belkin and Linksys and still haven't found anything I consider good. On April 20, at 10:44 PM April 20, Travis Johnson wrote: You have to provide some value to your service. We offer local support, symmetrical speeds (upload is the same as download), free wireless firewall/router with install, real static IP address, etc. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
