Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax

[reader]

Absolutely none of this is possible with unlicensed spectrum.

If you're saying that it's our fault that there's no high power protected 
spectrum to use that doesn't cost mega millions like the cellular guys paid, 
then, I guess we're at fault.

Until you can make the case for that point, I'm in complete disagreement 
with you on whose fault it is.

Until then, there's simply no way to move equipment around randomly and have 
ubiquitous coverage.   Oh, and even the cellular guys aren't doing it yet.

It works in the big city.   It works in a few places out here.

And it's not fast.





- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular 
andWimax


> Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility
> and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless
> broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly
> adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their
> mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling
> desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere
> with mobility. 




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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[reader]

Antenna gain does matter.

UBNT has only one certified antenna combination - or did back when I first 
filed for the license.   Useful only for P2P, actually.

You have to specificy EIRP, which UBNT's grant details, using the antenna 
specified.








- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


> Not mine, but
>
> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licenseLocDetail.jsp?keyLoc=15533393&licKey=2969764&rsc=NN
>
> That's a Ubiquiti XR3.  It doesn't say Mikrotik or Star-OS or Ikarus 
> or
> because it doesn't matter.  Nor does antenna gain.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "John Scrivner" 
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:34 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>
>> So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
>> registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
>> the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
>> system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
>> register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
>> then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
>> resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
>> see a full answer from you here on this.
>> Scriv
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:
>>> I am.
>>>
>>> Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use "ok" to designate an unenthusiastic, but
>>> affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique
>>> propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso
>>> than
>>> 5 or 2.4.
>>>
>>> Or, that's how it seems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
>>> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization"
>>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>>>
>>>
 Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be
 used in mikrotik?

 brian


 
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[reader]

Ok, smart alec.

Call sign:  WQJC592

It's all there in black and white.




- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


>I did not realize there was as FCC emission designator and grant of
> approval assigned to that radio. I would love to read the FCC approval
> on that radio. Do you happen to have a link to that? I previously sent
> out a step by step guide for everyone to use for registering their AP
> and client locations using the Redline system as an example. It was a
> doc we worked on at MVN for about a month and sent it to the FCC for
> their approval. It was given out for free to our paid up WISPA members
> to save them the month work we spent in making sure we did our filings
> by the book. I would not expect that you have anything like that but
> would you care to share what the specific details (emission
> designator, FCC grant #, etc.) are that you have used for your
> location filings using the XR3?
> Thank you,
> John Scrivner
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>> The FCC ULS requires that you enter the FCC ID of the radio that is being
>> used, along with it's characteristics. That is easily done with an XR3 
>> card.
>> No where during the registration process does it say the radio and 
>> antenna
>> and everything else has to be certified as a "system".
>>
>> I can complete a perfectly legal 3.65 registration filing, answering 
>> every
>> single question honestly, using an XR3 card, inside an ARC 
>> antenna/enclosure
>> with an RB411 board.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> John Scrivner wrote:
>>
>> So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
>> registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
>> the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
>> system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
>> register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
>> then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
>> resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
>> see a full answer from you here on this.
>> Scriv
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am.
>>
>> Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use "ok" to designate an unenthusiastic, but
>> affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique
>> propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso 
>> than
>> 5 or 2.4.
>>
>> Or, that's how it seems.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
>> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" 
>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be
>> used in mikrotik?
>>
>> brian
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[reader]

My system is fully licensed.

Please don't use your ignorance to try to insult me in public.  I suggest 
you attempt, for once, to know exactly what you're talking about before you 
go start "demanding" I do a damn thing for you.

The FCC grant for the equipment I have in use occurred about 8-10 months 
ago.





- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


> So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
> registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
> the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
> system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
> register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
> then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
> resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
> see a full answer from you here on this.
> Scriv
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:
>> I am.
>>
>> Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use "ok" to designate an unenthusiastic, but
>> affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique
>> propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso 
>> than
>> 5 or 2.4.
>>
>> Or, that's how it seems.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
>> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" 
>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>>
>>
>>> Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be
>>> used in mikrotik?
>>>
>>> brian
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax

[Mike Hammett]

Simply not going to happen.

WiMAX gear is way too expensive for what little it delivers.  The 
frequencies\power aren't yet there to deliver mobility cost effectively. 
Far too many Indians and not enough chiefs.

The cable industry has Comcast, Charter, Mediacom.  The worst of those has 
to have over 10M customers.  DSL has AT&T, Verizon, bajillion other 
companies overseas with tens of millions of customers.  WISPs have...  JAB 
at 50k.  We can't feed off the mother hen when the mother hen barely hits 
the radar.


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--
From: "John Scrivner" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:12 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular 
andWimax

> Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility
> and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless
> broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly
> adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their
> mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling
> desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere
> with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones
> are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they
> do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP,
> VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member
> network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with
> another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a
> decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share.
> I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will
> max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the
> issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good
> mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their
> networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on
> the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice
> services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the
> ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating
> connection to this and right now we do not even have access to
> anything to connect to.
> Scriv
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons  wrote:
>> This was very interesting:
>>
>> http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-and-wi
>> max/
>>
>> Way to go WISPS!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[Mike Hammett]

Not mine, but

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licenseLocDetail.jsp?keyLoc=15533393&licKey=2969764&rsc=NN

That's a Ubiquiti XR3.  It doesn't say Mikrotik or Star-OS or Ikarus or 
because it doesn't matter.  Nor does antenna gain.


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--
From: "John Scrivner" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:34 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

> So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
> registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
> the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
> system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
> register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
> then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
> resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
> see a full answer from you here on this.
> Scriv
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:
>> I am.
>>
>> Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use "ok" to designate an unenthusiastic, but
>> affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique
>> propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso 
>> than
>> 5 or 2.4.
>>
>> Or, that's how it seems.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
>> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" 
>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>>
>>
>>> Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be
>>> used in mikrotik?
>>>
>>> brian
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[RickG]

But, can you get ethernet cable that will stand up to sandblasting a water
tank?
-RickG

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jeff Ehman  wrote:

> You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection
> and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years).  A lot of people I
> have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available
> and just go to a Belden rep somewhere.  It can be pretty confusing and they
> overcharge all the time.  It really isn't their fault, but I don't think
> they fully understand cable manufacturing.  Most of the electrical
> distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in their area.
>  It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of mind share.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM
> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are
> for the young
>
> I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
> equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical
> conduit,
> > the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
> > I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
> > years now.
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
> >
> > > From: Marlon K. Schafer 
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they
> > are for the young
> > > To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
> > > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
> > > I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
> > > have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
> > > jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
> > > the parts with me.
> > >
> > > I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
> > > in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
> > > situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
> > > know that connections are almost always the reason for a
> > > failure so I want the fewest possible.
> > >
> > > We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
> > > vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
> > > ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.
> > >
> > > Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
> > > cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
> > > of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
> > > exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
> > > sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
> > > cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!
> > >
> > > Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
> > > use instead of this black stuff we're using now.
> > >
> > > laters,
> > > marlon
> > >
> > > - Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
> > > 
> > > To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
> > > 
> > > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
> > > yourself,they are for the young
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I just had to ask..very interesting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> > > 
> > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> > > installs yourself,they are for the young
> > > >> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
> > > List" 
> > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
> > > >> Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
> > > something
> > > >> when ever
> > > >> possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
> > > big,
> > > >> ugly wall plate.
> > > >>
> > > >> marlon
> > > >>
> > > >> - Original Message - From: "Joe
> > > Miller" 
> > > >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > > >> 
> > > >> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> > > installs
> > > >> yourself,they are
> > > >> for the young
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Marlon,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You are joking..right?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
> > > >>  wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> > > >> 
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
> > > doing
> > > >> installs yourself, they
> > > >> >> are for the young
> > > >> >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > > >> 
> > > >> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
> > > >> >> Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try
> > > to get
> > > >> the hole
> > > >> >> right at the top
> > > >> >> of the baseboards.  Then, someday when
> > > all this is
> > > >> gone and
> > > >> >> some new
> > > >> >> technology (TV band with no external
> > > antenna?)
> > > >> replaces it
> > > >> >> they'll just have
> > > >> >> to plug one 

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Scott Piehn]

We strap the conduit to the tower, junction boxes only where needed to drop 
cable out for equipment.  Normally just at the top
To handle the weight of the cable on itself, we bundle the cable on the 
ground with 1 or 2 separate pull strings that are wound around the cable and 
taped every 5 feet.  At the top, we attach the pull string to the top of the 
conduit (inside the jboxes).  Cable weight just pulls down on the conduit.

Using conduit brings up an important issue.  assume you will not be able to 
add another line for something you need a couple of years down the road. 
Make sure you put in extra cable for any future "stuff" you might add.

On one tower where the conduit was much larger than the cable bundle, we 
shot expand-a-fome in the top 40' - 70' of conduit just in case the pull 
string broke

Inside the conduit we use shielded cable with shielded ends, do not run the 
conduit down the leg of the tower,  run down a face.  If you must run down a 
leg, get the conduit spaced away from the leg.  Since we started 
retrofitting towers with this, we take ALLOT less damage.



Scott

- Original Message - 
From: "Wisp" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are 
for the young


> For cat5 runs is the weight of the cable not hard in it if it is just
> hanging in the conduit?  Du you put junction boxes every x feet to
> strap down?
>
> Cliff Olle
>
> President
> Eccentrix Technologies, LLC
> (512) 426-4929
> cl...@eccentrixtechnologies.com
>
> On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:39 PM, jp  wrote:
>
>> several sections of that stuff gets heavy. I pushed 100' up the inside
>> of a tower once. We used it for the power cable coming down from a
>> windmill. Dropped a weight on a fishing line for the pull string pull.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:26:21PM -0500, RickG wrote:
>>> I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level
>>> where our
>>> equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller
>>>  wrote:
>>>

 Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical
 conduit,
 the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the
 weather.
 I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on
 over 3
 years now.


 --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:

> From: Marlon K. Schafer 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
> yourself,they
 are for the young
> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
> I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
> have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
> jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
> the parts with me.
>
> I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
> in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
> situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
> know that connections are almost always the reason for a
> failure so I want the fewest possible.
>
> We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
> vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
> ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.
>
> Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
> cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
> of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
> exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
> sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
> cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!
>
> Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
> use instead of this black stuff we're using now.
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
> 
> To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
> 
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
> yourself,they are for the young
>
>
>>
>> I just had to ask..very interesting.
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
>  wrote:
>>
>>> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> installs yourself,they are for the young
>>> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
> List" 
>>> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
>>> Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
> something
>>> when ever
>>> possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
> big,
>>> ugly wall plate.
>>>
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Joe
> Miller" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> 
>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> installs
>

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[John Scrivner]

I did not realize there was as FCC emission designator and grant of
approval assigned to that radio. I would love to read the FCC approval
on that radio. Do you happen to have a link to that? I previously sent
out a step by step guide for everyone to use for registering their AP
and client locations using the Redline system as an example. It was a
doc we worked on at MVN for about a month and sent it to the FCC for
their approval. It was given out for free to our paid up WISPA members
to save them the month work we spent in making sure we did our filings
by the book. I would not expect that you have anything like that but
would you care to share what the specific details (emission
designator, FCC grant #, etc.) are that you have used for your
location filings using the XR3?
Thank you,
John Scrivner


On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> The FCC ULS requires that you enter the FCC ID of the radio that is being
> used, along with it's characteristics. That is easily done with an XR3 card.
> No where during the registration process does it say the radio and antenna
> and everything else has to be certified as a "system".
>
> I can complete a perfectly legal 3.65 registration filing, answering every
> single question honestly, using an XR3 card, inside an ARC antenna/enclosure
> with an RB411 board.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> John Scrivner wrote:
>
> So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
> registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
> the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
> system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
> register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
> then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
> resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
> see a full answer from you here on this.
> Scriv
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:
>
>
> I am.
>
> Works ok.   Using Star-OS.   I use "ok" to designate an unenthusiastic, but
> affirmative statement that it works.    3.65 seems to have unique
> propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than
> 5 or 2.4.
>
> Or, that's how it seems.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>
>
>
>
> Anyone using 3.65 for ptp?   What is available?  Can ubiquiti's cards be
> used in mikrotik?
>
> brian
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[Travis Johnson]

The FCC ULS requires that you enter the FCC ID of the radio that is
being used, along with it's characteristics. That is easily done with
an XR3 card. No where during the registration process does it say the
radio and antenna and everything else has to be certified as a "system".

I can complete a perfectly legal 3.65 registration filing, answering
every single question honestly, using an XR3 card, inside an ARC
antenna/enclosure with an RB411 board.

Travis
Microserv

John Scrivner wrote:

  So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
see a full answer from you here on this.
Scriv




On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:
  
  
I am.

Works ok.   Using Star-OS.   I use "ok" to designate an unenthusiastic, but
affirmative statement that it works.    3.65 seems to have unique
propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than
5 or 2.4.

Or, that's how it seems.








- Original Message -
From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp




  Anyone using 3.65 for ptp?   What is available?  Can ubiquiti's cards be
used in mikrotik?

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Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

[John Scrivner]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> This is an interesting idea
>
> But,  different operating frequency's,  different proprietary equipment, I'm
> not sure it is practical.  One of my 'neighbors' uses Canopy on 900MHz.
> Another is using Trango on 900MHz, I think.  Another is 2.4GHz 802.11b/g.  I
> use 2.4GHz, some b/g, some proprietary, some 900MHz proprietary, 5.8GHz
> Netstream...  The list goes on...

That is just another symptom of the problem. This group refuses to
standardize on anything. Congrats when we all "innovate" ourselves
into obscurity. Without standardization we will never have roaming or
mobility. Are we really all still so small-minded as to think we can
survive as little islands of innovators without integrating standards
based roaming and mobility as part of the systems we all deploy going
forward? What is your long term goal? To be a stop-gap until the
future "Rural Broadband Act of 20XX" where the government finally runs
a fiber to every place where there is a phone line and a power
service? It will happen.

>
> mobile users go with a cell carrier and accept the high costs and low
> speeds.

Until 2011 when I predict the cellular carriers will be reporting more
wireless broadband subs than the total WISP industry marketshare
combined. Mobility and roaming are not just neat toys. They are THE
market differentiators for wireless broadband and this group largely
has their collective head in the sand. Patrick Leary got it for a
while and then for some reason "un" learned the facts. I certainly
hope I am wrong so you guys can all make me buy you a beer someday
when I am then found to be mentally deficient. Something tells me this
group simply chooses not to look at the future in a realistic way. I
genuinely hope I am wrong. I guess the questions I have for this group
is, "Why not accept that I may be right? What harm is there in
attempting to build mobility and roaming into our networks around
standards? Would this not simply add more value to our networks?"
Scriv



>
> John Scrivner wrote:
>
> Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility
> and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless
> broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly
> adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their
> mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling
> desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere
> with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones
> are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they
> do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP,
> VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member
> network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with
> another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a
> decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share.
> I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will
> max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the
> issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good
> mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their
> networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on
> the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice
> services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the
> ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating
> connection to this and right now we do not even have access to
> anything to connect to.
> Scriv
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons  wrote:
>
>
> This was very interesting:
>
> http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-and-wi
> max/
>
> Way to go WISPS!
>
> Scott
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Josh Luthman]

There's at least two us that use the enormous mowhawk cable on towers
and really good Belden elsewhere.

On 3/6/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
> We moved to a shielded, weatherproof, outdoor cat5E 3 years ago.  best thing
> we ever did to improve ap and cpe stability.
>
> Jeff Ehman wrote:
>>
>> You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV
>> protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years).  A lot of
>> people I have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of
>> cable available and just go to a Belden rep somewhere.  It can be pretty
>> confusing and they overcharge all the time.  It really isn't their fault,
>> but I don't think they fully understand cable manufacturing.  Most of the
>> electrical distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in
>> their area.  It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of
>> mind share.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM
>> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they
>> are for the young
>>
>> I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
>> equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical
>>> conduit,
>>> the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
>>> I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
>>> years now.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
>>>
>>>

 From: Marlon K. Schafer 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they

>>>
>>> are for the young
>>>

 To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
 Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
 I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
 have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
 jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
 the parts with me.

 I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
 in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
 situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
 know that connections are almost always the reason for a
 failure so I want the fewest possible.

 We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
 vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
 ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.

 Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
 cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
 of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
 exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
 sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
 cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!

 Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
 use instead of this black stuff we're using now.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
 
 To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
 
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
 yourself,they are for the young



>
> I just had to ask..very interesting.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
>

  wrote:

>>
>> From: Marlon K. Schafer
>>

 

>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
>>

 installs yourself,they are for the young

>>
>> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
>>

 List" 

>>
>> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
>> Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
>>

 something

>>
>> when ever
>> possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
>>

 big,

>>
>> ugly wall plate.
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Joe
>>

 Miller" 

>>
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
>>

 installs

>>
>> yourself,they are
>> for the young
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Marlon,
>>>
>>> You are joking..right?
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
>>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>>

 From: Marlon K. Schafer

>>
>> 
>>

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop


 doing

>>
>> installs yourself, they
>>

 are for the young
 To: "WISPA General List"

>>
>> 
>>

 Date: Friday, M

Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

[Blair Davis]

This is an interesting idea

But,  different operating frequency's,  different proprietary
equipment, I'm not sure it is practical.  One of my 'neighbors' uses
Canopy on 900MHz.  Another is using Trango on 900MHz, I think.  Another
is 2.4GHz 802.11b/g.  I use 2.4GHz, some b/g, some proprietary, some
900MHz proprietary, 5.8GHz Netstream...  The list goes on...

mobile users go with a cell carrier and accept the high costs and low
speeds.

John Scrivner wrote:

  Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility
and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless
broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly
adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their
mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling
desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere
with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones
are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they
do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP,
VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member
network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with
another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a
decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share.
I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will
max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the
issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good
mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their
networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on
the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice
services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the
ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating
connection to this and right now we do not even have access to
anything to connect to.
Scriv


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons  wrote:
  
  
This was very interesting:

http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-and-wi
max/

Way to go WISPS!

Scott




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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Blair Davis]

We moved to a shielded, weatherproof, outdoor cat5E 3 years ago.  best
thing we ever did to improve ap and cpe stability.

Jeff Ehman wrote:

  You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years).  A lot of people I have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available and just go to a Belden rep somewhere.  It can be pretty confusing and they overcharge all the time.  It really isn't their fault, but I don't think they fully understand cable manufacturing.  Most of the electrical distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in their area.  It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of mind share.

-Jeff


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller  wrote:

  
  
Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit,
the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
years now.


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:



  From: Marlon K. Schafer 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they
  

are for the young


  To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
the parts with me.

I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
know that connections are almost always the reason for a
failure so I want the fewest possible.

We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.

Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!

Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
use instead of this black stuff we're using now.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"

To: "Marlon K. Schafer"

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
yourself,they are for the young


  
  
I just had to ask..very interesting.


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer

  
   wrote:
  
  

  From: Marlon K. Schafer
  

  
  
  
  

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
  

  
  installs yourself,they are for the young
  
  

  To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
  

  
  List" 
  
  

  Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
  

  
  something
  
  

  when ever
possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
  

  
  big,
  
  

  ugly wall plate.

marlon

- Original Message - From: "Joe
  

  
  Miller" 
  
  

  To: "WISPA General List"

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
  

  
  installs
  
  

  yourself,they are
for the young


  
  
Marlon,

You are joking..right?


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer

  
   wrote:
  
  

  From: Marlon K. Schafer
  

  
  
  
  

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
  

  

  
  doing
  
  

  installs yourself, they
  
  

  are for the young
To: "WISPA General List"
  

  
  
  
  

  Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try
  

  
 

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[John Scrivner]

Have they managed to get the FCC to release the full 50 MHz channel
space for this product yet?
Scriv


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:
> We've been using the AN80 3.65 PtP with great success.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>> Anyone using 3.65 for ptp?   What is available?  Can ubiquiti's
>> cards be
>> used in mikrotik?
>>
>> brian
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[John Scrivner]

So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
see a full answer from you here on this.
Scriv




On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:
> I am.
>
> Works ok.   Using Star-OS.   I use "ok" to designate an unenthusiastic, but
> affirmative statement that it works.    3.65 seems to have unique
> propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than
> 5 or 2.4.
>
> Or, that's how it seems.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>
>
>> Anyone using 3.65 for ptp?   What is available?  Can ubiquiti's cards be
>> used in mikrotik?
>>
>> brian
>>
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[WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

[John Scrivner]

Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility
and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless
broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly
adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their
mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling
desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere
with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones
are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they
do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP,
VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member
network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with
another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a
decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share.
I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will
max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the
issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good
mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their
networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on
the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice
services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the
ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating
connection to this and right now we do not even have access to
anything to connect to.
Scriv


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons  wrote:
> This was very interesting:
>
> http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-and-wi
> max/
>
> Way to go WISPS!
>
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Don't forget the expansion joints.  I have seen that stuff lookin
pretty much like a snake on a good warm day.

Brian

RickG wrote:

  I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller  wrote:

  
  
Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit,
the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
years now.


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:



  From: Marlon K. Schafer 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they
  

are for the young


  To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
the parts with me.

I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
know that connections are almost always the reason for a
failure so I want the fewest possible.

We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.

Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!

Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
use instead of this black stuff we're using now.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"

To: "Marlon K. Schafer"

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
yourself,they are for the young


  
  
I just had to ask..very interesting.


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer

  
   wrote:
  
  

  From: Marlon K. Schafer
  

  
  
  
  

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
  

  
  installs yourself,they are for the young
  
  

  To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
  

  
  List" 
  
  

  Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
  

  
  something
  
  

  when ever
possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
  

  
  big,
  
  

  ugly wall plate.

marlon

- Original Message - From: "Joe
  

  
  Miller" 
  
  

  To: "WISPA General List"

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
  

  
  installs
  
  

  yourself,they are
for the young


  
  
Marlon,

You are joking..right?


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer

  
   wrote:
  
  

  From: Marlon K. Schafer
  

  
  
  
  

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
  

  

  
  doing
  
  

  installs yourself, they
  
  

  are for the young
To: "WISPA General List"
  

  
  
  
  

  Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try
  

  

  
  to get
  
  

  the hole
  
  

  right at the top
of the baseboards.  Then, someday when
  

  

  
  all this is
  
  

  gone and
  
  

  some new
technology (TV band with no external
  

  

  
  antenna?)
  
  

  replaces it
  
  

  they'll just have
to plug one small hole and give it a dab
  

  

  
  of paint!
  
  

  

  marlon

- Original Message - >>
  

  

  
  From: "Scott Reed"
  
  

  
   

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Mike Hammett]

Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

> Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
> PayPal.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
> I
> had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
> from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
> helping me
>
> Anyway, what's next?
>
> thanks,
> marlon
> 509.988.0260
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>> For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
>> data as needed.
>> - Open RM
>> - Options
>> - Internet
>> - Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
>> your region at the end
>> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
>>
>> To determine your region:
>> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
>>
>> Check ZIP
>>
>> So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
>> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
>>
>> Let me know when you have this set up.
>>
>> As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
>> to jrichard...@aircloud.com.
>>
>>
>> __
>> Jerry Richardson
>> airCloud Communications
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>> I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?
>>
>> Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
>> put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
>> mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
>> you are interested in
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mark McElvy" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>> You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
>> it
>>> can.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>> Sold!
>>>
>>> I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
>>> srtm.
>>> I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!
>>>
>>> Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.
>>>
>>> laters,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>>
 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
>> do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


> Uhm...ya...
>
> Try this...
>
> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 13

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Mike Hammett]

Marlon's stuck in 1995.  ;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

> Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
> I
> had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
> from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
> helping me
>
> Anyway, what's next?
>
> thanks,
> marlon
> 509.988.0260
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>> For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
>> data as needed.
>> - Open RM
>> - Options
>> - Internet
>> - Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
>> your region at the end
>> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
>>
>> To determine your region:
>> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
>>
>> Check ZIP
>>
>> So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
>> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
>>
>> Let me know when you have this set up.
>>
>> As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
>> to jrichard...@aircloud.com.
>>
>>
>> __
>> Jerry Richardson
>> airCloud Communications
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>> I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?
>>
>> Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
>> put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
>> mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
>> you are interested in
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mark McElvy" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>> You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
>> it
>>> can.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>> Sold!
>>>
>>> I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
>>> srtm.
>>> I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!
>>>
>>> Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.
>>>
>>> laters,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>>
 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
>> do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

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 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


> Uhm...ya...
>
> Try this...
>
> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
>> poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
>>> how
 to
>> get

Re: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system

[Mike Hammett]

I'm looking at a TrendNet system.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Alan Long" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:08 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system

> I have a dorm that wants to put in 3 video cameras to monitor the doors,
> and the want to be able to remote in from web and look at cameras. Thanks
> for any help..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alan Long
> Director of Network Operations
>
> Aerowire
>
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>
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Wisp]

For cat5 runs is the weight of the cable not hard in it if it is just  
hanging in the conduit?  Du you put junction boxes every x feet to  
strap down?

Cliff Olle

President
Eccentrix Technologies, LLC
(512) 426-4929
cl...@eccentrixtechnologies.com

On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:39 PM, jp  wrote:

> several sections of that stuff gets heavy. I pushed 100' up the inside
> of a tower once. We used it for the power cable coming down from a
> windmill. Dropped a weight on a fishing line for the pull string pull.
>
> On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:26:21PM -0500, RickG wrote:
>> I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level  
>> where our
>> equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller  
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical  
>>> conduit,
>>> the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the  
>>> weather.
>>> I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on  
>>> over 3
>>> years now.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
>>>
 From: Marlon K. Schafer 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs  
 yourself,they
>>> are for the young
 To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
 Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
 I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
 have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
 jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
 the parts with me.

 I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
 in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
 situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
 know that connections are almost always the reason for a
 failure so I want the fewest possible.

 We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
 vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
 ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.

 Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
 cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
 of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
 exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
 sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
 cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!

 Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
 use instead of this black stuff we're using now.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
 
 To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
 
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
 yourself,they are for the young


>
> I just had to ask..very interesting.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
  wrote:
>
>> From: Marlon K. Schafer
 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
 installs yourself,they are for the young
>> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
 List" 
>> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
>> Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
 something
>> when ever
>> possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
 big,
>> ugly wall plate.
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Joe
 Miller" 
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
 installs
>> yourself,they are
>> for the young
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Marlon,
>>>
>>> You are joking..right?
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
>>  wrote:
>>>
 From: Marlon K. Schafer
>> 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
 doing
>> installs yourself, they
 are for the young
 To: "WISPA General List"
>> 
 Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
 Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try
 to get
>> the hole
 right at the top
 of the baseboards.  Then, someday when
 all this is
>> gone and
 some new
 technology (TV band with no external
 antenna?)
>> replaces it
 they'll just have
 to plug one small hole and give it a dab
 of paint!
 marlon

 - Original Message - >>
 From: "Scott Reed"
 
 To: "WISPA General List"
 
 Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
 doing
>> installs
 yourself, they are
 for the young


> Don't they still make plates
 with just a
>> 1/4"
 hole in it.  No need to
> drill.
>
>
>
> George Rogato wrote:
>> I was trying to drill a hole
 into a blank
>> wall
 pl

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Jeff Ehman]

You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and 
harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years).  A lot of people I have 
talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available and 
just go to a Belden rep somewhere.  It can be pretty confusing and they 
overcharge all the time.  It really isn't their fault, but I don't think they 
fully understand cable manufacturing.  Most of the electrical distribution guys 
just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in their area.  It isn't a large part 
of their business so it isn't top of mind share.

-Jeff


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for 
the young

I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller  wrote:

>
> Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit,
> the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
> I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
> years now.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
>
> > From: Marlon K. Schafer 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they
> are for the young
> > To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
> > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
> > I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
> > have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
> > jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
> > the parts with me.
> >
> > I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
> > in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
> > situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
> > know that connections are almost always the reason for a
> > failure so I want the fewest possible.
> >
> > We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
> > vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
> > ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.
> >
> > Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
> > cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
> > of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
> > exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
> > sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
> > cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!
> >
> > Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
> > use instead of this black stuff we're using now.
> >
> > laters,
> > marlon
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
> > 
> > To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
> > yourself,they are for the young
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I just had to ask..very interesting.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> > 
> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> > installs yourself,they are for the young
> > >> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
> > List" 
> > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
> > >> Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
> > something
> > >> when ever
> > >> possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
> > big,
> > >> ugly wall plate.
> > >>
> > >> marlon
> > >>
> > >> - Original Message - From: "Joe
> > Miller" 
> > >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > >> 
> > >> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> > installs
> > >> yourself,they are
> > >> for the young
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Marlon,
> > >> >
> > >> > You are joking..right?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> > >> 
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
> > doing
> > >> installs yourself, they
> > >> >> are for the young
> > >> >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > >> 
> > >> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
> > >> >> Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try
> > to get
> > >> the hole
> > >> >> right at the top
> > >> >> of the baseboards.  Then, someday when
> > all this is
> > >> gone and
> > >> >> some new
> > >> >> technology (TV band with no external
> > antenna?)
> > >> replaces it
> > >> >> they'll just have
> > >> >> to plug one small hole and give it a dab
> > of paint!
> > >> >> marlon
> > >> >>
> > >> >> - Original Message - >>
> > From: "Scott Reed"
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
> > doing
> > >> installs
> > >> >> yourself, they are
> > >> >> for the young
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Don't th

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[RickG]

I've done the same in many cases and that takes care of the radio side. The
problem is you cant get away from the connection to the antenna side. -RickG

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> I've moved to larger enclosures with good, stainless steel bulkhead
> connectors and n-m piggys.  Hopefully, from now on I can just change the
> electronics and not have to even touch the coax.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
> WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>
>
> >I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the
> > connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the
> tape
> > seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
> > To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just
> > POE
> > everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with
> > radios
> > build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad
> radio.
> > The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still
> > need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
> > capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if
> > they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user
> > side?
> >
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> >
> >> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
> >>
> >> Mark Nash
> >> UnwiredWest
> >> 78 Centennial Loop
> >> Suite E
> >> Eugene, OR 97401
> >> 541-998-
> >> 541-998-5599 fax
> >> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "RickG" 
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
> >> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
> >>
> >>
> >> > Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the
> >> > pigeons
> >> > would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> >> > connection. That took care of that!
> >> > -RickG
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from
> >> > > GB.
> >> I
> >> > > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> >> > > problem.
> >> > >
> >> > > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular
> >> > > site
> >> is
> >> > > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few
> >> > > 2-week
> >> > > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the
> >> > > worst
> >> for
> >> > > coax failures.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mark Nash
> >> > > UnwiredWest
> >> > > 78 Centennial Loop
> >> > > Suite E
> >> > > Eugene, OR 97401
> >> > > 541-998-
> >> > > 541-998-5599 fax
> >> > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> >> > > - Original Message -
> >> > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> >> > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
> >> ones
> >> > > from
> >> > > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had
> >> > > > any
> >> > > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much
> >> > > > coax
> >> seal
> >> > > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable
> >> > > > material)?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Josh Luthman
> >> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> >> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> >> > > > Suite 1337
> >> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
> >> > > > poorly.
> >> > > > --- Henry Spencer
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months,
> whereas
> >> prior
> >> > > to
> >> > > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195
> >> > > > > jumpers
> >> > > from
> >> > > > > Hyperlink.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Anyone else have a problem?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go
> bad
> >> it's
> >> > > a
> >> > > > > big frustrating problem.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Mark Nash
> >> > > > > UnwiredWest
> >> > > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> >> > > > > Suite E
> >> > > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> >> > > > > 541-998-
> >> > > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> >> > > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> --
> >> > > --
> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> >> > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/
> >> > > > >

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[jp]

several sections of that stuff gets heavy. I pushed 100' up the inside 
of a tower once. We used it for the power cable coming down from a 
windmill. Dropped a weight on a fishing line for the pull string pull.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:26:21PM -0500, RickG wrote:
> I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
> equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG
> 
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit,
> > the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
> > I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
> > years now.
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
> >
> > > From: Marlon K. Schafer 
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they
> > are for the young
> > > To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
> > > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
> > > I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
> > > have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
> > > jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
> > > the parts with me.
> > >
> > > I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
> > > in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
> > > situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
> > > know that connections are almost always the reason for a
> > > failure so I want the fewest possible.
> > >
> > > We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
> > > vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
> > > ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.
> > >
> > > Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
> > > cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
> > > of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
> > > exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
> > > sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
> > > cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!
> > >
> > > Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
> > > use instead of this black stuff we're using now.
> > >
> > > laters,
> > > marlon
> > >
> > > - Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
> > > 
> > > To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
> > > 
> > > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
> > > yourself,they are for the young
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I just had to ask..very interesting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> > > 
> > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> > > installs yourself,they are for the young
> > > >> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
> > > List" 
> > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
> > > >> Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
> > > something
> > > >> when ever
> > > >> possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
> > > big,
> > > >> ugly wall plate.
> > > >>
> > > >> marlon
> > > >>
> > > >> - Original Message - From: "Joe
> > > Miller" 
> > > >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > > >> 
> > > >> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> > > installs
> > > >> yourself,they are
> > > >> for the young
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Marlon,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You are joking..right?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
> > > >>  wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> > > >> 
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
> > > doing
> > > >> installs yourself, they
> > > >> >> are for the young
> > > >> >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > > >> 
> > > >> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
> > > >> >> Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try
> > > to get
> > > >> the hole
> > > >> >> right at the top
> > > >> >> of the baseboards.  Then, someday when
> > > all this is
> > > >> gone and
> > > >> >> some new
> > > >> >> technology (TV band with no external
> > > antenna?)
> > > >> replaces it
> > > >> >> they'll just have
> > > >> >> to plug one small hole and give it a dab
> > > of paint!
> > > >> >> marlon
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> - Original Message - >>
> > > From: "Scott Reed"
> > > >> >> 
> > > >> >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > > >> >> 
> > > >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
> > > doing
> > > >> installs
> > > >> >> yourself, they are
> > > >> >> for the young
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > Don't they still make plates
> > > with just a
> > > >> 1/4"
> > > >> >> hole in it.  No need to
> > > >> >> > drill.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > George Rogato wrote:
> > > >> >> >> I was trying to drill a hole
> > > into a blank
> > > >> wall
> > > >> >> plate. All of the sudden,
> > > >> >> >> it shattered into about 10
> > > piece

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[RickG]

I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller  wrote:

>
> Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit,
> the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
> I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
> years now.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
>
> > From: Marlon K. Schafer 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they
> are for the young
> > To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
> > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
> > I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
> > have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
> > jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
> > the parts with me.
> >
> > I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
> > in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
> > situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
> > know that connections are almost always the reason for a
> > failure so I want the fewest possible.
> >
> > We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
> > vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
> > ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.
> >
> > Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
> > cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
> > of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
> > exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
> > sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
> > cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!
> >
> > Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
> > use instead of this black stuff we're using now.
> >
> > laters,
> > marlon
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
> > 
> > To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
> > yourself,they are for the young
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I just had to ask..very interesting.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> > 
> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> > installs yourself,they are for the young
> > >> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
> > List" 
> > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
> > >> Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
> > something
> > >> when ever
> > >> possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
> > big,
> > >> ugly wall plate.
> > >>
> > >> marlon
> > >>
> > >> - Original Message - From: "Joe
> > Miller" 
> > >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > >> 
> > >> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> > installs
> > >> yourself,they are
> > >> for the young
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Marlon,
> > >> >
> > >> > You are joking..right?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> > >> 
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
> > doing
> > >> installs yourself, they
> > >> >> are for the young
> > >> >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > >> 
> > >> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
> > >> >> Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try
> > to get
> > >> the hole
> > >> >> right at the top
> > >> >> of the baseboards.  Then, someday when
> > all this is
> > >> gone and
> > >> >> some new
> > >> >> technology (TV band with no external
> > antenna?)
> > >> replaces it
> > >> >> they'll just have
> > >> >> to plug one small hole and give it a dab
> > of paint!
> > >> >> marlon
> > >> >>
> > >> >> - Original Message - >>
> > From: "Scott Reed"
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> To: "WISPA General List"
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
> > doing
> > >> installs
> > >> >> yourself, they are
> > >> >> for the young
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Don't they still make plates
> > with just a
> > >> 1/4"
> > >> >> hole in it.  No need to
> > >> >> > drill.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > George Rogato wrote:
> > >> >> >> I was trying to drill a hole
> > into a blank
> > >> wall
> > >> >> plate. All of the sudden,
> > >> >> >> it shattered into about 10
> > pieces.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> That happens a lot with a
> > typical
> > >> bakerlite type
> > >> >> wall plate.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Next time you buy blank plates,
> > try to
> > >> find the
> > >> >> lexan flexible ones.
> > >> >> >> Everyone makes them, they are
> > rubber like
> > >> and when
> > >> >> you drill a hole in
> > >> >> >> it, it doesn't crack or
> > shatter.
> > >> >> >> They come in white ivory etc and
> > like I
> > >> said,
> > >> >> everyone makes them ,
> > >> >> >> Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble
> > etc.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> They cost n

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Brad Belton]

Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal  I 
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things 
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your 
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


> For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
> data as needed.
> - Open RM
> - Options
> - Internet
> - Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
> your region at the end
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
>
> To determine your region:
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
>
> Check ZIP
>
> So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
>
> Let me know when you have this set up.
>
> As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
> to jrichard...@aircloud.com.
>
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?
>
> Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
> put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
> mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
> you are interested in
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark McElvy" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>> You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
> it
>> can.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>> Sold!
>>
>> I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
>> srtm.
>> I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!
>>
>> Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>>>
>>> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
> do
>>> that?
>>>
>>> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>>>
>>> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>>>
>>> __
>>>
>>> airCloud Communications
>>> Broadband for Business
>>> Public and Private WiFi
>>>
>>> Jerry Richardson
>>> VP Operations
>>> 925-260-4119
>>> _
>>>
>>> ConsuWISP
>>> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
>>> Network Optimization and Planning
>>> Network Design and Troubleshooting
>>> Installer and Technician Training
>>>
>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
>>> documentation.
>>>
>>> I'll pay someone for their time.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>>
 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
> poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
>> how
>>> to
> get
> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
> willing
> to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the b

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Marlon K. Schafer]

That looks like the same product as the 3m 2228 that I have the local 
hardware store order for me.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Drew Lentz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors 
WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


> I've used a couple of different methods, but one of my favorite (a little
> more expensive) is Huber Suhner FastWrap:
>
> http://www.hubersuhner.ca/co-ca-us/mozilla/products/hs-p-rf/hs-rf-connectors
> /hs-p-rf-con-access/ca-us-p-rf-con-access-fw
>
> I've used it from coast to coast to coast .. San fran to boston to south
> padre island, tx and it has withstood everything that can be thrown at it;
> snow, sleet, rain, hurricanes, intense sun and salt.
> It's easy to get into, saves connectors, and keeps fingers pookie-free :)
>
> -drew
>
>
> On 3/6/09 10:05 AM, "George Rogato"  wrote:
>
>> I don't know, as I understand it Mark was talking about mountain top
>> with extreme elements.
>>
>> I live on the Oregon Coast, Oregon = lots of rain, the coast, lots of
>> wind and rain.
>> I have been taping for 10 years and must have 2,000 radios hung at least
>> in all that time, and quality rubber tape and a vinyl layer has worked
>> without issue.
>>
>> Heck, I've has two connectors that were untapped for a couple years that
>> when I took them apart, where as dry as a bone and had no problems. One
>> of them, the guys back yard was the ocean and the other a 1/2 mile away.
>>
>> What causes issues is when a person does a bad job tapping.
>>
>> When using tape, you have to stretch the tape and wrap with pressure.
>> loose fitting tape is just asking for trouble. it creates little voids
>> where water will sit and seep in. A tightly pulled rubber tape things
>> out to almost teflon and gets into all the small pours of the joint. A
>> few layers of rubber pulled tight is pretty much fool proof.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>>> Anything that's easy to take off also won't hold water out as well
>>>
>>> I tried the vinyl tape, rubber tape, vinyl tape thing.  Once.  It didn't
>>> leak (you go past the vinyl tape by a quarter to a half inch) but I just
>>> couldn't bring myself to do it again.  I'd rather take the time to 
>>> remove
>>> the good stuff than take the time in bad weather to fix the easy stuff.
>>>
>>> Here's the trick to pulling the rubber tape off.  Split it (lightly and
>>> carefully so you don't go thought the outer cable jacket) then start 
>>> peeling
>>> it back with a needle nose pliers.  Work from the cut outward, on both
>>> sides, a little at a time.  Pretty soon you'll get to the point that you 
>>> can
>>> just twist the pliers and the whole mess will come off pretty easily. 
>>> Takes
>>> me about 5 minutes nowadays.
>>>
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
>>> WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>>>
>>>
 There are two methods I can say work.

 Electrical tape the entire thing then cover it in coax seal.  The 
 purpose
 of
 the electrical tape is only to "easily" remove all the gunk off of the
 coax
 connector.  I personally spend $10 on a new cable and seal then 
 spending
 15
 to 30 minutes minimum trying to clean it off.  Coax seal does a 
 beautiful
 job of keeping the weather out.  The worst part about Ohio weather is 
 that
 we can get a build up of ice and have it melt and freeze within 24 
 hours.
 Finding how to seal our gear was a difficult task but has been solved.

 For the last couple of years we quit using PacWireless enclosures and
 stick
 with the no name brand "2 or 4 n hole enclosure" with ribs and U bolts.
 Coax connectors sealed with a good foot of coax seal, from enclosure to
 the
 factory sealer of the coax cable.  No problems in the last year or two
 since
 doing this.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:

> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>
>
>> Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the
>> pigeons
>> would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil ta

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal  I 
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things 
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your 
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


> For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
> data as needed.
> - Open RM
> - Options
> - Internet
> - Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
> your region at the end
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
>
> To determine your region:
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
>
> Check ZIP
>
> So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
>
> Let me know when you have this set up.
>
> As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
> to jrichard...@aircloud.com.
>
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?
>
> Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
> put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
> mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
> you are interested in
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark McElvy" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>> You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
> it
>> can.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>> Sold!
>>
>> I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
>> srtm.
>> I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!
>>
>> Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>>>
>>> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
> do
>>> that?
>>>
>>> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>>>
>>> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>>>
>>> __
>>>
>>> airCloud Communications
>>> Broadband for Business
>>> Public and Private WiFi
>>>
>>> Jerry Richardson
>>> VP Operations
>>> 925-260-4119
>>> _
>>>
>>> ConsuWISP
>>> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
>>> Network Optimization and Planning
>>> Network Design and Troubleshooting
>>> Installer and Technician Training
>>>
>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
>>> documentation.
>>>
>>> I'll pay someone for their time.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>>
 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
> poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
>> how
>>> to
> get
> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
> willing
> to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?
>
> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>
> 
>>> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>
>
>>>
>>
> 

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Joe Miller]

Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the 
gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done 
this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now.


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:

> From: Marlon K. Schafer 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are 
> for the young
> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
> I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
> have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
> jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
> the parts with me.
> 
> I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
> in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
> situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
> know that connections are almost always the reason for a
> failure so I want the fewest possible.
> 
> We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
> vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
> ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.
> 
> Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
> cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
> of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
> exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
> sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
> cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!
> 
> Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
> use instead of this black stuff we're using now.
> 
> laters,
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
> 
> To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
> 
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
> yourself,they are for the young
> 
> 
> > 
> > I just had to ask..very interesting.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
>  wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> 
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> installs yourself,they are for the young
> >> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
> List" 
> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
> >> Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
> something
> >> when ever
> >> possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
> big,
> >> ugly wall plate.
> >> 
> >> marlon
> >> 
> >> - Original Message - From: "Joe
> Miller" 
> >> To: "WISPA General List"
> >> 
> >> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
> installs
> >> yourself,they are
> >> for the young
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >
> >> > Marlon,
> >> >
> >> > You are joking..right?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
> >>  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> From: Marlon K. Schafer
> >> 
> >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
> doing
> >> installs yourself, they
> >> >> are for the young
> >> >> To: "WISPA General List"
> >> 
> >> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
> >> >> Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try
> to get
> >> the hole
> >> >> right at the top
> >> >> of the baseboards.  Then, someday when
> all this is
> >> gone and
> >> >> some new
> >> >> technology (TV band with no external
> antenna?)
> >> replaces it
> >> >> they'll just have
> >> >> to plug one small hole and give it a dab
> of paint!
> >> >> marlon
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message - >>
> From: "Scott Reed"
> >> >> 
> >> >> To: "WISPA General List"
> >> >> 
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
> doing
> >> installs
> >> >> yourself, they are
> >> >> for the young
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Don't they still make plates
> with just a
> >> 1/4"
> >> >> hole in it.  No need to
> >> >> > drill.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > George Rogato wrote:
> >> >> >> I was trying to drill a hole
> into a blank
> >> wall
> >> >> plate. All of the sudden,
> >> >> >> it shattered into about 10
> pieces.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That happens a lot with a
> typical
> >> bakerlite type
> >> >> wall plate.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Next time you buy blank plates,
> try to
> >> find the
> >> >> lexan flexible ones.
> >> >> >> Everyone makes them, they are
> rubber like
> >> and when
> >> >> you drill a hole in
> >> >> >> it, it doesn't crack or
> shatter.
> >> >> >> They come in white ivory etc and
> like I
> >> said,
> >> >> everyone makes them ,
> >> >> >> Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble
> etc.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They cost no more.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> 
> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> >> >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List:
> wireless@wispa.org
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> >> >> >>
> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman

Re: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system

[eje]

Check out Q-See. Globalcomputers.com sell those. I had good luck with their DVR 
and cameras. They got indoor and outdoor cameras. They are affordable. 
They have everything from simple 2 channel solutions to more advanced 16 
channels. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: "Alan Long" 

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:08:05 
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system





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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Drew Lentz]

I've used a couple of different methods, but one of my favorite (a little
more expensive) is Huber Suhner FastWrap:

http://www.hubersuhner.ca/co-ca-us/mozilla/products/hs-p-rf/hs-rf-connectors
/hs-p-rf-con-access/ca-us-p-rf-con-access-fw

I've used it from coast to coast to coast .. San fran to boston to south
padre island, tx and it has withstood everything that can be thrown at it;
snow, sleet, rain, hurricanes, intense sun and salt.
It's easy to get into, saves connectors, and keeps fingers pookie-free :)

-drew


On 3/6/09 10:05 AM, "George Rogato"  wrote:

> I don't know, as I understand it Mark was talking about mountain top
> with extreme elements.
> 
> I live on the Oregon Coast, Oregon = lots of rain, the coast, lots of
> wind and rain.
> I have been taping for 10 years and must have 2,000 radios hung at least
> in all that time, and quality rubber tape and a vinyl layer has worked
> without issue.
> 
> Heck, I've has two connectors that were untapped for a couple years that
> when I took them apart, where as dry as a bone and had no problems. One
> of them, the guys back yard was the ocean and the other a 1/2 mile away.
> 
> What causes issues is when a person does a bad job tapping.
> 
> When using tape, you have to stretch the tape and wrap with pressure.
> loose fitting tape is just asking for trouble. it creates little voids
> where water will sit and seep in. A tightly pulled rubber tape things
> out to almost teflon and gets into all the small pours of the joint. A
> few layers of rubber pulled tight is pretty much fool proof.
> 
> 
> 
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> Anything that's easy to take off also won't hold water out as well
>> 
>> I tried the vinyl tape, rubber tape, vinyl tape thing.  Once.  It didn't
>> leak (you go past the vinyl tape by a quarter to a half inch) but I just
>> couldn't bring myself to do it again.  I'd rather take the time to remove
>> the good stuff than take the time in bad weather to fix the easy stuff.
>> 
>> Here's the trick to pulling the rubber tape off.  Split it (lightly and
>> carefully so you don't go thought the outer cable jacket) then start peeling
>> it back with a needle nose pliers.  Work from the cut outward, on both
>> sides, a little at a time.  Pretty soon you'll get to the point that you can
>> just twist the pliers and the whole mess will come off pretty easily.  Takes
>> me about 5 minutes nowadays.
>> 
>> marlon
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
>> WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>> 
>> 
>>> There are two methods I can say work.
>>> 
>>> Electrical tape the entire thing then cover it in coax seal.  The purpose
>>> of
>>> the electrical tape is only to "easily" remove all the gunk off of the
>>> coax
>>> connector.  I personally spend $10 on a new cable and seal then spending
>>> 15
>>> to 30 minutes minimum trying to clean it off.  Coax seal does a beautiful
>>> job of keeping the weather out.  The worst part about Ohio weather is that
>>> we can get a build up of ice and have it melt and freeze within 24 hours.
>>> Finding how to seal our gear was a difficult task but has been solved.
>>> 
>>> For the last couple of years we quit using PacWireless enclosures and
>>> stick
>>> with the no name brand "2 or 4 n hole enclosure" with ribs and U bolts.
>>> Coax connectors sealed with a good foot of coax seal, from enclosure to
>>> the
>>> factory sealer of the coax cable.  No problems in the last year or two
>>> since
>>> doing this.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>>> 
 Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
 
 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message -
 From: "RickG" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
 HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
 
 
> Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the
> pigeons
> would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> connection. That took care of that!
> -RickG
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> 
>> The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from
>> GB.
 I
>> can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
>> problem.
>> 
>> How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular
>> site
 is
>> at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. 

Re: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system

[Jonathan Schmidt]

It's hard to beat Costco:
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browse=&lang=en-US&s=1 with a big hard drive and browser-viewing locally
or anywhere.  The whole thing, cameras, console with Web server and hard
1/4gig hard drive, etc., for $299.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[George Rogato]

I don't know, as I understand it Mark was talking about mountain top 
with extreme elements.

I live on the Oregon Coast, Oregon = lots of rain, the coast, lots of 
wind and rain.
I have been taping for 10 years and must have 2,000 radios hung at least 
in all that time, and quality rubber tape and a vinyl layer has worked 
without issue.

Heck, I've has two connectors that were untapped for a couple years that 
when I took them apart, where as dry as a bone and had no problems. One 
of them, the guys back yard was the ocean and the other a 1/2 mile away.

What causes issues is when a person does a bad job tapping.

When using tape, you have to stretch the tape and wrap with pressure. 
loose fitting tape is just asking for trouble. it creates little voids 
where water will sit and seep in. A tightly pulled rubber tape things 
out to almost teflon and gets into all the small pours of the joint. A 
few layers of rubber pulled tight is pretty much fool proof.



Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Anything that's easy to take off also won't hold water out as well
> 
> I tried the vinyl tape, rubber tape, vinyl tape thing.  Once.  It didn't 
> leak (you go past the vinyl tape by a quarter to a half inch) but I just 
> couldn't bring myself to do it again.  I'd rather take the time to remove 
> the good stuff than take the time in bad weather to fix the easy stuff.
> 
> Here's the trick to pulling the rubber tape off.  Split it (lightly and 
> carefully so you don't go thought the outer cable jacket) then start peeling 
> it back with a needle nose pliers.  Work from the cut outward, on both 
> sides, a little at a time.  Pretty soon you'll get to the point that you can 
> just twist the pliers and the whole mess will come off pretty easily.  Takes 
> me about 5 minutes nowadays.
> 
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors 
> WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
> 
> 
>> There are two methods I can say work.
>>
>> Electrical tape the entire thing then cover it in coax seal.  The purpose 
>> of
>> the electrical tape is only to "easily" remove all the gunk off of the 
>> coax
>> connector.  I personally spend $10 on a new cable and seal then spending 
>> 15
>> to 30 minutes minimum trying to clean it off.  Coax seal does a beautiful
>> job of keeping the weather out.  The worst part about Ohio weather is that
>> we can get a build up of ice and have it melt and freeze within 24 hours.
>> Finding how to seal our gear was a difficult task but has been solved.
>>
>> For the last couple of years we quit using PacWireless enclosures and 
>> stick
>> with the no name brand "2 or 4 n hole enclosure" with ribs and U bolts.
>> Coax connectors sealed with a good foot of coax seal, from enclosure to 
>> the
>> factory sealer of the coax cable.  No problems in the last year or two 
>> since
>> doing this.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>>
>>> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
>>>
>>> Mark Nash
>>> UnwiredWest
>>> 78 Centennial Loop
>>> Suite E
>>> Eugene, OR 97401
>>> 541-998-
>>> 541-998-5599 fax
>>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "RickG" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
>>> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>>>
>>>
 Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the 
 pigeons
 would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
 connection. That took care of that!
 -RickG

 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:

> The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from 
> GB.
>>> I
> can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> problem.
>
> How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular 
> site
>>> is
> at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 
> 2-week
> periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the 
> worst
>>> for
> coax failures.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
>
>
>> I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
>>> ones
> from
>> Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever 
possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a big, ugly wall plate.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Miller" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are 
for the young


>
> Marlon,
>
> You are joking..right?
>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
>
>> From: Marlon K. Schafer 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they 
>> are for the young
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
>> Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try to get the hole
>> right at the top
>> of the baseboards.  Then, someday when all this is gone and
>> some new
>> technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it
>> they'll just have
>> to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint!
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Scott Reed"
>> 
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
>> yourself, they are
>> for the young
>>
>>
>> > Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4"
>> hole in it.  No need to
>> > drill.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > George Rogato wrote:
>> >> I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall
>> plate. All of the sudden,
>> >> it shattered into about 10 pieces.
>> >>
>> >> That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type
>> wall plate.
>> >>
>> >> Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the
>> lexan flexible ones.
>> >> Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when
>> you drill a hole in
>> >> it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
>> >> They come in white ivory etc and like I said,
>> everyone makes them ,
>> >> Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble etc.
>> >>
>> >> They cost no more.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[George Rogato]

A face plate is only like .25 unless you add a ring.

What I do, quite a bit, is I drill under the based board. I pull the 
carpet back away from and under the baseboard and usually you will find 
a space between 1/4" and 1/2" there. Thats where I drill. No holes 
exposed and the carpet just tucks back in and it's clean.
Not the most professional way to do it.

Also, the home dictates how far we go to make it look good.
If it's one of those houses where everything is perfect and could be on 
the cover of a magazine, we do what ever is needed to make it 
aesthetically pleasing.

On the other hand, if it's an old broken down house or an old trailer, 
needless to say, it just has to be neat and clean, but a wire run down 
and around the house is acceptable.

Guess it doesn't take much to figure which houses we like to wire on.
Some of those are the 30 minute installs I crave.




Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> This is how we do it too.  If you want a face plate, you are going to 
> pay for it.
> We get maybe 1 out of 100 who want a face plate.
> 
> Brian
> 
> Joe Miller wrote:
>> Marlon,
>>
>> You are joking..right?
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> From: Marlon K. Schafer 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are 
>>> for the young
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
>>> Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try to get the hole
>>> right at the top 
>>> of the baseboards.  Then, someday when all this is gone and
>>> some new 
>>> technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it
>>> they'll just have 
>>> to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint!
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Scott Reed"
>>> 
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
>>> yourself, they are 
>>> for the young
>>>
>>>
>>> 
 Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4"
   
>>> hole in it.  No need to 
>>> 
 drill.



 George Rogato wrote:
   
> I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall
> 
>>> plate. All of the sudden,
>>> 
> it shattered into about 10 pieces.
>
> That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type
> 
>>> wall plate.
>>> 
> Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the
> 
>>> lexan flexible ones.
>>> 
> Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when
> 
>>> you drill a hole in
>>> 
> it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
> They come in white ivory etc and like I said,
> 
>>> everyone makes them ,
>>> 
> Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble etc.
>
> They cost no more.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Amen.  I run the nf bulkhaed, and it goes right into the enclosure.  I
can change out bad piggies or go from u.fl to mmcx or add a filter or
whatever I want.  No weather proofing needed.   I like it a lot.

Brian

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

  I've moved to larger enclosures with good, stainless steel bulkhead 
connectors and n-m piggys.  Hopefully, from now on I can just change the 
electronics and not have to even touch the coax.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors 
WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


  
  
I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the
connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape
seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just 
POE
everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with 
radios
build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio.
The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still
need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if
they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user 
side?

-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:



  Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


  
  
Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the 
pigeons
would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
connection. That took care of that!
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:



  The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from 
GB.
  

  
  I
  
  

  can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
problem.

How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular 
site
  

  
  is
  
  

  at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 
2-week
periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the 
worst
  

  
  for
  
  

  coax failures.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers


  
  
I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades

  

  
  ones
  
  

  from
  
  
Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had 
any
problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much 
coax

  

  
  seal
  
  

  
around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable 
material)?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, 
poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 

  

  
  wrote:
  
  

  

  We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
  

  

  
  prior
  
  

  to
  
  

  that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 
jumpers
  

  
  from
  
  

  Hyperlink.

Anyone else have a problem?

Any recommendations on best source for them?

We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
  

  

  
  it's
  
  

  a
  
  

  big frustrating problem.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com



  



  



  
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I've moved to larger enclosures with good, stainless steel bulkhead 
connectors and n-m piggys.  Hopefully, from now on I can just change the 
electronics and not have to even touch the coax.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors 
WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


>I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the
> connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape
> seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
> To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just 
> POE
> everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with 
> radios
> build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio.
> The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still
> need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
> capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if
> they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user 
> side?
>
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
>> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
>> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>>
>>
>> > Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the 
>> > pigeons
>> > would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
>> > connection. That took care of that!
>> > -RickG
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>> >
>> > > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from 
>> > > GB.
>> I
>> > > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
>> > > problem.
>> > >
>> > > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular 
>> > > site
>> is
>> > > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 
>> > > 2-week
>> > > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the 
>> > > worst
>> for
>> > > coax failures.
>> > >
>> > > Mark Nash
>> > > UnwiredWest
>> > > 78 Centennial Loop
>> > > Suite E
>> > > Eugene, OR 97401
>> > > 541-998-
>> > > 541-998-5599 fax
>> > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> > > - Original Message -
>> > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> > > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
>> ones
>> > > from
>> > > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had 
>> > > > any
>> > > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much 
>> > > > coax
>> seal
>> > > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable 
>> > > > material)?
>> > > >
>> > > > Josh Luthman
>> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > > > 1100 Wayne St
>> > > > Suite 1337
>> > > > Troy, OH 45373
>> > > >
>> > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, 
>> > > > poorly.
>> > > > --- Henry Spencer
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
>> prior
>> > > to
>> > > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 
>> > > > > jumpers
>> > > from
>> > > > > Hyperlink.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Anyone else have a problem?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
>> it's
>> > > a
>> > > > > big frustrating problem.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mark Nash
>> > > > > UnwiredWest
>> > > > > 78 Centennial Loop
>> > > > > Suite E
>> > > > > Eugene, OR 97401
>> > > > > 541-998-
>> > > > > 541-998-5599 fax
>> > > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Anything that's easy to take off also won't hold water out as well

I tried the vinyl tape, rubber tape, vinyl tape thing.  Once.  It didn't 
leak (you go past the vinyl tape by a quarter to a half inch) but I just 
couldn't bring myself to do it again.  I'd rather take the time to remove 
the good stuff than take the time in bad weather to fix the easy stuff.

Here's the trick to pulling the rubber tape off.  Split it (lightly and 
carefully so you don't go thought the outer cable jacket) then start peeling 
it back with a needle nose pliers.  Work from the cut outward, on both 
sides, a little at a time.  Pretty soon you'll get to the point that you can 
just twist the pliers and the whole mess will come off pretty easily.  Takes 
me about 5 minutes nowadays.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors 
WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


> There are two methods I can say work.
>
> Electrical tape the entire thing then cover it in coax seal.  The purpose 
> of
> the electrical tape is only to "easily" remove all the gunk off of the 
> coax
> connector.  I personally spend $10 on a new cable and seal then spending 
> 15
> to 30 minutes minimum trying to clean it off.  Coax seal does a beautiful
> job of keeping the weather out.  The worst part about Ohio weather is that
> we can get a build up of ice and have it melt and freeze within 24 hours.
> Finding how to seal our gear was a difficult task but has been solved.
>
> For the last couple of years we quit using PacWireless enclosures and 
> stick
> with the no name brand "2 or 4 n hole enclosure" with ribs and U bolts.
> Coax connectors sealed with a good foot of coax seal, from enclosure to 
> the
> factory sealer of the coax cable.  No problems in the last year or two 
> since
> doing this.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
>> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
>> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>>
>>
>> > Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the 
>> > pigeons
>> > would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
>> > connection. That took care of that!
>> > -RickG
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>> >
>> > > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from 
>> > > GB.
>> I
>> > > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
>> > > problem.
>> > >
>> > > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular 
>> > > site
>> is
>> > > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 
>> > > 2-week
>> > > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the 
>> > > worst
>> for
>> > > coax failures.
>> > >
>> > > Mark Nash
>> > > UnwiredWest
>> > > 78 Centennial Loop
>> > > Suite E
>> > > Eugene, OR 97401
>> > > 541-998-
>> > > 541-998-5599 fax
>> > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> > > - Original Message -
>> > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> > > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
>> ones
>> > > from
>> > > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had 
>> > > > any
>> > > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much 
>> > > > coax
>> seal
>> > > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable 
>> > > > material)?
>> > > >
>> > > > Josh Luthman
>> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > > > 1100 Wayne St
>> > > > Suite 1337
>> > > > Troy, OH 45373
>> > > >
>> > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, 
>> > > > poorly.
>> > > > --- Henry Spencer
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
>> prior
>> > > to
>> > > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 
>> > > > > jumpers
>> > > from
>> > > > > Hyperlink.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Anyone else have a problem?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
>> it's
>> > > a
>> > > > > big frustrating problem.
>> > > > >
>> >

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Brian Rohrbacher]

This is how we do it too.  If you want a face plate, you are going to
pay for it.
We get maybe 1 out of 100 who want a face plate.

Brian

Joe Miller wrote:

  Marlon,

You are joking..right?


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:

  
  
From: Marlon K. Schafer 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try to get the hole
right at the top 
of the baseboards.  Then, someday when all this is gone and
some new 
technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it
they'll just have 
to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint!
marlon

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To: "WISPA General List"

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
yourself, they are 
for the young




  Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4"
  

hole in it.  No need to 


  drill.



George Rogato wrote:
  
  
I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall

  

plate. All of the sudden,


  
it shattered into about 10 pieces.

That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type

  

wall plate.


  
Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the

  

lexan flexible ones.


  
Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when

  

you drill a hole in


  
it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
They come in white ivory etc and like I said,

  

everyone makes them ,


  
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Re: [WISPA] Rare Earth Magnet Tripod for Water Tank

[John McDowell]

no, it doesn't.. bummer

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Joe Miller  wrote:

>
> Before you go down this road with magnets, are the water towers that you
> are using have external I-beem support over the top of the water tower? If
> you do, I would suggest using beem clamps to attach the the water tower. It
> is a lot more cost effect solution.
>
>
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> > Subject: [WISPA] Rare Earth Magnet Tripod for Water Tank
> > To: "WISPA General List" , "Principal WISPA Member
> List" , "Motorola Canopy User Group" 
> > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:25 AM
> > I know this has been posted before,but with no one really
> > having any
> > resources for this.
> >
> > Does ANYONE have any info on how to do this, or who to get
> > the magnets
> > from?? I have two tripods from SitePro1.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Marlon K. Schafer]

It might be a little bit.  But ONLY if you use the GOOD stuff.  I pay just 
short of $7 per roll, not $2.

It also helps force the rubber blob into all the nooks and crannies.

Often as not I come back a couple of years down the road and find that the 
vinyl tape has actually drifted clear off the connector.  But there's enough 
of the rubber that's pushed down into all of the cracks that it still 
doesn't leak at all.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: 
HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


> My understanding is the Vinyl tape is more solar resistant than the
> black rubber...
>
> ryan
>
> Mark Nash wrote:
>> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
>> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>>
>>
>>
>>> Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the 
>>> pigeons
>>> would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
>>> connection. That took care of that!
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB.

>> I
>>
 can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
 problem.

 How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular site

>> is
>>
 at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2-week
 periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the worst

>> for
>>
 coax failures.

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers



> I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones
>
 from

> Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had any
> problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax
>
>> seal
>>
> around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
>
>> We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
>>
>> prior
>>
 to

>> that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers
>>
 from

>> Hyperlink.
>>
>> Anyone else have a problem?
>>
>> Any recommendations on best source for them?
>>
>> We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
>>
>> it's
>>
 a

>> big frustrating problem.
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Marlon K. Schafer]

3m 2228 self vulcanizing rubber tape.

Covered with 3m 33+ electrical tape.

I've NEVER had one leak when done this way.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: 
HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


> Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons
> would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> connection. That took care of that!
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
>> The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB.  I
>> can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
>> problem.
>>
>> How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular site 
>> is
>> at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2-week
>> periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the worst 
>> for
>> coax failures.
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
>>
>>
>> > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones
>> from
>> > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had any
>> > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax 
>> > seal
>> > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> > --- Henry Spencer
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>> >
>> > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas 
>> > > prior
>> to
>> > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers
>> from
>> > > Hyperlink.
>> > >
>> > > Anyone else have a problem?
>> > >
>> > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
>> > >
>> > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad 
>> > > it's
>> a
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

[Paul Kralovec]

How much for the 1710 and 3600?

Where are they coming from and is shipping included?

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

It was my error, e&m, not e to m.  Ear to Mouth.  Basically just
makes an analog pipe.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers


>I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card?
>
> Blake Bowers wrote:
>> I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers
>> that they want to sell.  A couple of 3600 series routers, and
>> E to M cards.
>>
>>
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>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
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Re: [WISPA] Rare Earth Magnet Tripod for Water Tank

[Joe Miller]

Before you go down this road with magnets, are the water towers that you are 
using have external I-beem support over the top of the water tower? If you do, 
I would suggest using beem clamps to attach the the water tower. It is a lot 
more cost effect solution.


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, John McDowell  wrote:

> From: John McDowell 
> Subject: [WISPA] Rare Earth Magnet Tripod for Water Tank
> To: "WISPA General List" , "Principal WISPA Member List" 
> , "Motorola Canopy User Group" 
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:25 AM
> I know this has been posted before,but with no one really
> having any
> resources for this.
> 
> Does ANYONE have any info on how to do this, or who to get
> the magnets
> from?? I have two tripods from SitePro1.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> 
> -- 
> John M. McDowell
> Boonlink Communications
> 307 Grand Ave NW
> Fort Payne, AL 35967
> 256.844.9932
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Joe Miller]

Marlon,

You are joking..right?


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:

> From: Marlon K. Schafer 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are 
> for the young
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
> Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try to get the hole
> right at the top 
> of the baseboards.  Then, someday when all this is gone and
> some new 
> technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it
> they'll just have 
> to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint!
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Scott Reed"
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> To: "WISPA General List"
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> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
> yourself, they are 
> for the young
> 
> 
> > Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4"
> hole in it.  No need to 
> > drill.
> >
> >
> >
> > George Rogato wrote:
> >> I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall
> plate. All of the sudden,
> >> it shattered into about 10 pieces.
> >>
> >> That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type
> wall plate.
> >>
> >> Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the
> lexan flexible ones.
> >> Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when
> you drill a hole in
> >> it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
> >> They come in white ivory etc and like I said,
> everyone makes them ,
> >> Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble etc.
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try to get the hole right at the top 
of the baseboards.  Then, someday when all this is gone and some new 
technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have 
to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint!
marlon

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are 
for the young


> Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4" hole in it.  No need to 
> drill.
>
>
>
> George Rogato wrote:
>> I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden,
>> it shattered into about 10 pieces.
>>
>> That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate.
>>
>> Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones.
>> Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in
>> it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
>> They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them ,
>> Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble etc.
>>
>> They cost no more.
>>
>>
>>
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[WISPA] Rare Earth Magnet Tripod for Water Tank

[John McDowell]

I know this has been posted before,but with no one really having any
resources for this.

Does ANYONE have any info on how to do this, or who to get the magnets
from?? I have two tripods from SitePro1.

Thanks in advance!


-- 
John M. McDowell
Boonlink Communications
307 Grand Ave NW
Fort Payne, AL 35967
256.844.9932
j...@boonlink.com
www.boonlink.com






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Re: [WISPA] The good college try

[Dylan Oliver]

8 bits per byte
that's all.

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