Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Cogent's bandwidth is actually very high quality bandwidth now, and their tech support is great.. Cogent's current problem is their company's internal operational structure is a mess and clueless. Dispute resolution is impossible, and sales reps are powerless to help their clients.. (Its a shame

Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 08:26:25PM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > OK, we have the graphs opened up so you guys can see them. > > http://64.146.146.1:81/ > > That's about 300 wireless and 70 ftth plus web and email servers. Can you fix those graphs to retain the maximum 5 minute value for each

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Eclusion zone does not mean you cant use it. You have to contact the earth statio operators to get exemptions. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio

So based on those graphs, you need 25-30Mbps of available bandwidth (and it should be redundant, from two different carriers). :) Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > OK, we have the graphs opened up so you guys can see them. > > http://64.146.146.1:81/ > > That's about 300 wireless and 7

[WISPA] Organite defense

Anyone else tired of these do-gooders and their organite gifting of your towers? Here I am, minding my own business and they come and place this darned organite near my tower, messing up all the funny shaped clouds I've been working so hard to create for the government and their secret weather con

Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio

Lucky shit On 9/22/09, Robert West wrote: > Yeah, but he charges by the mb. Funny how they play differently when the > meter is running. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tuesday, Septembe

Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio

Yeah, but he charges by the mb. Funny how they play differently when the meter is running. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WI

Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio

Hey, it works! Thanks, Marion. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio OK, we have the graphs

Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio

Wow they don't use very much do they... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:26 P

[WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio

OK, we have the graphs opened up so you guys can see them. http://64.146.146.1:81/ That's about 300 wireless and 70 ftth plus web and email servers. laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

I can't use 3650 out here. We're in an exclusion zone. marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Marlon - looked into Redline an80i 3.65? It's like 3k for the low > s

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Ya thats not bad. The other problem with this tower is that because of the terrain, you cant get a bucket near it for most of the year. So, I was just trying to keep the electonics at the bottom. The other end is only about 2 miles so I bet I can squeeze enough signal with XR5 and no amp. Thanks to

Re: [WISPA] Firmware needed...

Thanks guys. Should have the tower up now tomorrow morning (weather permitting). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:37:51 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Firmware needed... http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/60

Re: [WISPA] Firmware needed...

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/60247/canopy/CANOPY736_DES.pkg2 http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/60247/canopy/CANOPY736_DES.zip Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, mus

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

?? Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a complete repeater :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WI

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Use POE vs LMR! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LI

Re: [WISPA] Firmware needed...

On it's way offlist. -Kevin On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: > Could someone please send me Motorola Canopy v7.3.6 DES firmware? > > I got a site down only thing I got around is a older P9 non-advantage AP but > it is running 7.2.9 so can not set in the web interface to ha

Re: [WISPA] Firmware needed...

I posted a URL to it on the mailing list a while ago...it's on my dropbox. On 9/22/09, Eje Gustafsson wrote: > Could someone please send me Motorola Canopy v7.3.6 DES firmware? > > I got a site down only thing I got around is a older P9 non-advantage AP but > it is running 7.2.9 so can not set in

[WISPA] Firmware needed...

Could someone please send me Motorola Canopy v7.3.6 DES firmware? I got a site down only thing I got around is a older P9 non-advantage AP but it is running 7.2.9 so can not set in the web interface to hardware scheduling so I can upgrade to v8-> since it requires 7.3.6. / Eje --

Re: [WISPA] Tycon TP-SW5--NC

TP-DCDC are In stock and shipping. Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tycon TP-SW5--NC Scott Whats the availability

Re: [WISPA] Death Valley CA WISP

I found these WISP's outside of Death Valley: http://www.air-internet.com http://www.ezznet.com http://www.mojavedevelopment.com/Isp.htm The Panamint Springs Resort, just outside Death Valley has a Wifi network in the campground and Motel fed by a Satellite connection. With just a few exceptions,

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Err, Brad, not Blake. Blake is the tower guy! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike Hammett" Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:24 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrali

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Can you send me some of that in a FedEx mailer? I'll pay the shipping! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

As Blake said before, Location, location, location. I've heard of prices below $1/meg on full GigE multi location deals. I can get $4.50/meg in Chicago on a 100 meg pipe on a month-month contract. $4 if I go GigE+ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

It's the same here. Starting at 20 meg but going up to 50 is just a little more. No need for that right now on my end but it only takes a phone call and it's on. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesda

Re: [WISPA] Tycon TP-SW5--NC

Scott Whats the availability on the TP-DCDC series? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Parsons Sent: Tuesda

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Cogent? I remember when they offered 1Gb/$3k and the ISPs jumped on it, then they bumped it to $6k for 1Gb for ISPs. I thought they recently went to $4/Mb with the "We match any price". Although I didn't really like them when we were doing the servers/datacenter thing years ago, they have made so

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

$600/mth for 100/100M in the US and EU on a 1GB port. $7/M if you burst over 100M. Basically you get $6/M for committed bandwidth and $7/M over commitment. If any of yawl want to send me your address off-list, I will see where the nearest POP is. My house is 33 miles from the data center and

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

I found out that going from 10Mb to 50Mb was rather inexpensive. We went from 1700 to $2080 including local loop. My other connection is 100Mb at $24/Mb, burstable to 300Mb at $15/Mb over 100 including local loop. I was about 2 months late getting in on their promo of $8/Mb. Regards, Chuck Hog

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

$40 a meg is ridiculously low. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality $1600 per 10M here I'd kill for either of those deals! Jos

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Try RF Linx RickG wrote: I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I nee

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

You will have: 16.23 db loss at the cable length minus connectors using LMR 400 LMR 600 will give you a bit better at: 10.89 db Perhaps use LMR 600 for a shot that big, otherwise, I would go PoE. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

$1600 per 10M here I'd kill for either of those deals! Josh Luthman wrote: $1500 for 20 megs here. Nearly double your cost. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, ho

Re: [WISPA] Tycon TP-SW5--NC

This is a new product and should be available next week. Regards, Scott Parsons Tycon Power Systems -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Arnold Cavazos Jr. Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:45 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subj

[WISPA] Tycon TP-SW5--NC

Does anybody know were I can find a TP-SW5--NC with 24v power supply in stock? My procurement guy is having a hard time finding one... -- Arnold Cavazos, Jr. abcjr at abcjr . net WISPA Wants You! Jo

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

I was able to resolve the issue, it was a config issue on the Ubiquity equipment. The installers used a standard config which I made early on with a PS2. It was flipping polarity. Simply going to the antenna selection page on Nano2 (we had this issue on a Nano to discover this issue), and selec

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Correct. Not unless the amp is certified with your radio system. Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

[WISPA] amplifiers

As we are on the subject of amplifiers. can anyone point me to somewhere that could provide me with an amplifier for 10.758Ghz. Thanks Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

There may be some however I can't think of any off the top of my head. Usually the amplifier is built right into the equipment. Nothing prevents some smart equipment vendor from certifying a system designed to meet Rick's needs where the equipment and amp is designed to be mounted at the base o

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

That actually raises a good question - are there things out there that are certified with an amp for a situation like Rick's? I assume the Tsunami's were as they only exist as a rackmount option. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

No you can't unless the original equipment manufacturer designed an amp as part of the original system and had their system certified with that amp. RickG wrote: So, you cant legally make up for cable loss with an amp? -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jack Unger wrote:

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Only one site have I seen big coax up the tower. Tsunami gear worked well on a 150' LMR400 but they had like 3 megs... We tried putting the Radwinmux (Ceragon?) ODU at the base of the tower and it was comparable but caused lock ups and loss of link a few times. Once that was put by the antenna p

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Ya, because this is an "upgrade", I looked at this from the wrong direction. So, do you think I can make up for a 150' cable with just a radio? -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Rick, > > Sounds like a Job for Ubnt or MT. > > $200 from Ubnt and a pair of antennas and

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

We use IEA's Radius (www.iea-software.com). It reads/writes SQL, so integrating it with Platypus is a breeze. Platypus selects the averages and e-mails the notifications automatically each month. Then generates the e-mail and opens a ticket automatically on the third month. Dave -Original

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

That is SO much easier to do than to try and block by app. If someone keeps hitting the threshold, bump them to the next tier of service. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Tuesday, September 22,

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Rick, Sounds like a Job for Ubnt or MT. $200 from Ubnt and a pair of antennas and you're done. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." ---

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Long ago we used amps to overcome cable loss, before there was a good choice for POE or IF based systems. Every single one of them either failed or went flaky (YDI and other like units) I'm so distrustful of them, I wouldnt even sell them on ebay. When I have issues with the equipment at the to

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

What are you using to tabulate your accounting data? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

20 Meg would cost me 5k. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality $1500 for 20 megs here. Nearly double y

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested. > > The alternative in case you're unable to use an a

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

No! We don't hit it at all wirelessly, I had Time Warner do a normal copper install there and tied it into the front desk and some wireless repeaters. It's the County Hearth, used to be the Amerihost. We did one of his properties here in town and he liked it and had us do that one as well. A pre

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested. The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Josh, Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do with an amp? -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart - > WISPTech > > Josh Luthman > Office:

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

So, you cant legally make up for cable loss with an amp? -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jack Unger wrote: > Unlicensed freqs don't require a license however you can not legally add > an amplifier to a system (in this case, your 5 GHz backhaul) that was > not originally certified with th

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

I've only lost one amp over the years as opposed to many issues with equipment at the top. -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp wrote: > Big thank you to L-com. > > Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also > hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/no

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Agreed, we use this fact as a selling point against the large LECs. AT&T is great, but they can "break" too. If that's all you got then you're down for the count. In comparison we (and many other smaller players like us) aggregate multiple "Tier1" carriers so that our customers realize those b

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

WOW! L-Com++! Usually you hear lots of banter on these sites about "so and so vendor is selling big time illegal stuff" but this time.. I guess not! Starting to feel like the local feed store not selling grandma the industrial pesticide because it is just not legal or sane! I like this, maybe I

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

You can hit St. Mary's? How can you hit the Best Value Inn there? It's across the street from the Ford dealership. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, mus

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart - WISPTech Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, mu

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Ah! Now that's cool! They charge me $15.00 for more IP's but will go to 10 bucks if I buy a block of 50. I don't because for one, I'm cheap and another is because I'm cheap. As in, we don't charge that much. If someone wants one we'll just pass the cost on to them. I have a hotel I take care

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Big thank you to L-com. Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well. If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electroni

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Indeed. Where I am, T1s are $500 and T3s are $7k. I move 60 miles and I can get 100 megs at $4.50/meg on a month to month contract, and there could be lower. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "B

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Tier 1 is fairly meaningless. In many cases, tier 2 bandwidth is better quality than tier 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network though I'm not sure how current that is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ---

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Okay. Who are these IT experts? I'll offer them a deal. They provide my bandwidth and I'll be generous and pay them a nice percentage over their price for that virtually nothing cost access. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On B

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

> Yup.  We pay almost 800 bucks for 20/20 meg.  To not do any shaping we would Thats cheap compared to what we pay! You are paying about $40 a meg. Is that tier1 bandwidth? We are paying about $100 meg for tier1. Matt > have to charge way more than anyone will pay.  Take the 800 bucks split by

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Robert - I too am using TWC fiber. They let me get as many public IPs as I want, though. Have you tried to called them up and filled out their public IP form for more? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the im

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

You doing Time Warner as a provider as well? We are in an old Adelphia area and they had to install an entire new network which is probably why the cost is lower. That and we're on the edge of Appalachia, they probably get some sort of incentive to provide cheaper in this area. -Original

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

That's Time Warner fiber with 15 public IPs. I totally acknowledge how lucky we are to have such a rate here. We are actually to have some cheaper fiber coming into the area which I'll try to snag as a secondary access or maybe even primary and dump the snail pace DSL. I will not gloat, I feel f

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

...I guess we need to re-visit the three factors that play into what bandwidth will cost: (1) Location (2) Location (3) Location Any questions? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Tues

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

$1300 for 6 meg here. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:22:23 -0400 >$1500 for 20 megs here. Nearly double your cost. > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Direct: 937-552-2343 >11

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

We measure and record each subscriber's usage (easy to do with Mikrotik "HotSpot" functionality and RADIUS accounting data). Our TOS has an "Excessive Usage" policy which defines excessive usage as six times the average. Each month, our system calculates the average and excessive and sends an e-m

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

> It's back > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you think about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am sure are goi

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Unlicensed freqs don't require a license however you can not legally add an amplifier to a system (in this case, your 5 GHz backhaul) that was not originally certified with the amplifier that you want to use. Hams, who are licensed and who share some frequencies with unlicensed operators do not

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

And adding a priority to certain traffic would still be acceptable since it would only be in force if that traffic is being used, such as VOIP and video and is there only to enhance and ensure the quality of that particular traffic that the customer themselves chose to use. Yes? -Original M

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

$1500 for 20 megs here. Nearly double your cost. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 22, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Exactly. And, it works better all around since you deliver an ideal experience (including access to ALL internet applications) to your ideal customers. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Robert West wrote: > So what I think you're saying, we should restrict the user based on a > predetermined usa

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

So what I think you're saying, we should restrict the user based on a predetermined usage limit then kick the throttling in for the entire connection, not per app. This is okay. Then the users who hit it once in awhile will never reach the "bandwidth abuse" level and would sail right on through a

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

That was exactly my point. You're not bringing the T1 down to it's knees, you're bringing the router down to its knees. The solution is a combination of either getting better routers and/or NOT doing any operations on layer 4 or above. If you are strictly switching / routing (and not natting, sh

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Absolutely true. With HTTP, someone hits a page and then it stops. They sit reading the page. With the torrents, it's a constant stream and not just down but up as well. If you were to go out running and not stop to take a break, you'd be tired pretty quick. But run just a bit, sit for a bit,

[WISPA] license for amplifier?

I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a HAM license to purchase it. I

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

The key words in the FCC quote is "users", not applications. They aren't restricting your ability to block or degrade IP address "162.21.25.200" because that IP address is generating spam or running up terabytes of traffic a month when you only have a DSL backhaul. They are trying to restrict you

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

>If you've designed your network to any degree of sanity, that 1MB of traffic >transmitted over BitTorrent is the same as 1MB of traffic transmitted over >HTTP. I disagree. The pps/connections that http traffic creates is NOTHING compared to bittorrent! If you want to test it, put you up two AP's

Re: [WISPA] Facebook fan page

Believe it or not, I used to do stand up in the Cleveland and Columbus areas back in the 90's and then again about 5 years ago due to age allowing me to forget how much it sucks. (I remembered quick enough during my rant on the Bible Factory Outlet.. Half the room falling off their chairs

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

We do not allow the running of servers in our TOS, so I guess we are safe with torrents? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Robert West" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:47:30 -0400 >Okay. Isn't this what most of us already do

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

I'll pass. I have enough mind altering substances called children and a wife. Not euphoric by any means but one can't have everything. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

something about salvia leaves. some sort of euphoric mind altering substance. --C Robert West wrote: > I'm not looking. I will assume the site promotes super efficient heating > devices. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

Re: [WISPA] Facebook fan page

Robert, I enjoy your humor while some may not understand it. -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Robert West wrote: > Uh..  I do not recall making any snide comments or any comments > whatsoever against or for social networking. What I actually did was make a > JOKE about ANTI-SOCIAL ne

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Mike, To clarify what I meant here: If you want to run a business without any government interference, that is fine and understandable. But, considering that for the past century, telecommunications and utilities have been some of the most heavily regulated industries in the US (and around the wor

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Err, I don't think this summary is accurate. The focus is on net neutrality for applications, regardless of protocol. Considering how often the FCC has referenced VOIP, including Skype (which does use P2P technology), in these discussions, on and off the record, the FCC isn't looking just to make

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Then don't run a business that is essential a utility. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm pretty safe with my opinion. Get the hell out of my business, > government. > > BTW: Hulu is owned by ABC, NBC, Fox, and the tech company that came up > with > it. > > > - > Mi

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Tom, Your hypothetical about Comcast, etc... creating "private networks" is unfounded and not likely to happen. In the end, it misses the point that the "Internet", from a consumer perspective, is NOT bandwidth and has very little to do with the bits and bytes that you shuffle around your network.

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Okay. Isn't this what most of us already do in our Terms Of Service notice? So if it's just a matter of notification then the issue would be void on day one as far as traffic shaping is concerned. Am I right on my understanding of this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.o

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

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Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

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Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

I just read the fifth rule in the speech and I quote it below and the remarks made by Mr. Genachowski: "Fifth Principle of Non-Discrimination The fifth principle is one of non-discrimination -- stating that broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet cont

Re: [WISPA] Facebook fan page

Uh.. I do not recall making any snide comments or any comments whatsoever against or for social networking. What I actually did was make a JOKE about ANTI-SOCIAL networking. Please explain my non-understanding of social networking and also how I have bashed. I see no bashing being perform

Re: [WISPA] Facebook fan page

It's too bad the two of you don't understand the power of social networking and feel the need to bash the rest of us in our marketing efforts. This is why so many people leave these lists. Some of us are trying to help each other and the rest are just making snide comments. So sad. Martha Hui