Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-29 Thread Blair Davis
Always! I go get a GPS reading and take a look at the location before I try to plot it out Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've used Topo USA quite a bit. But in the end, going to the site is the best way. We've made links work that I'd have sworn didn't stand a chance. And others that

Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik

2009-09-29 Thread Scott Lambert
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:30:55PM -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: connections coming into it. This server is running StarOS. We have about 1700 subs NATted behind a single IP address on this server. Behind it, I have a Mikrotik server that is handling all traffic coming into that

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
ATT set a text message volume record the day MJ died... 65,000 messages per second. http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-3gs-breaks-all-kinds-of-att-sales-records-jacksons-death-breaks-texting-records-2009-7 I use a couple thousand every month. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Mike
!) an anomaly of some sort 2) the apple doesn't fall far from the tree 3) she FOUND boys in a big way 4) all of the above I pick 4) all of the above. If you read Verizon's TOS, text messages are not guaranteed to be delivered, take the least cost path, and might arrive well after they are

Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Cameron Kilton
So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive. We have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel. -Cameron -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik

2009-09-29 Thread Nick Olsen
I would assume its possible, On the mikrotik router under connection tracking, Maybe drop some of the times? No clue if that will really hurt something or not, but it should make your connections clear faster. Nat at the ISP level sounds like a nightmare. Like Scott said, get yourself a real

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 04:39 +, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: There will be an employees that will confiscate her phone or fire her for abuse. s/employers/employees/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Funny that you would answer this question from your phone. ;-) --

Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik

2009-09-29 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 01:47 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote: Has IPv6 come to the Mikrotik/StarOS world? Mikrotik, yes. StarOS, I don't know. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* *

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, September 28, 2009 11:11 pm, St. Louis Broadband wrote: However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! She needs to train harder or she'll never get that record. Two central Pennsylvania friends spent most of March in a text-messaging record attempt, exchanging a

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Robert West
I had to have 2 Compuserve accounts back in 1988 because their accounts had a $500 limit per month! I still don't understand the text explosion. Over 100 years of innovation just to go back to what is essentially Morse code. Boggles the mind. Soon they'll discover punch cards and paper

Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik

2009-09-29 Thread Dennis Burgess
You could also simply take blocks of IPs, so 10.0.0.0/12 or something, and go out one IP, and the next one, go out another IP :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Robert West
Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him.

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Robert West
This is why ATT is now hitting their customers now for that previously unlimited bandwidth. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:42 AM To: 'Josh Luthman'; 'WISPA

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Robert West
I use.. None. Hate the things. I'm just old. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:28 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Lol, very nice. When I spoke to her about this last night, she said well it does not always send right away... First off this is no excuse, you are still sending the txt msg... I think it is option 5, but I have not figured out the e-enterprise and it must not pay to well. V -Original

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, game to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Thanks Dave, I will let her know...lol! I am sure that they are going to raise my unlimited text messages...I would! V -Original Message- From: David E. Smith [mailto:d...@mvn.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:46 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Ron Calhoun
The last I check waverider was claiming their ccu8000 would push 13mbps. I have used the CCU8000 with the eum8000 and was only able to pull a 4mb test from the ccu. At that point the customer was thrilled. 4mbps beats dialup any day. But the point remains that I was only able to get 4mbps. On a

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Can I get your cell phone number, assuming her number is just one or two up or down? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir

Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Cameron Kilton
The Ethernet setup for the Alvarion VL is nice same as other VL units. However the SU-VL-900 units only come in a SU-E form required the use of external antenna. I'm fine with this, but one thing to keep in mind. I hope the will have the option for the future with a built in 9 or 10dbi antenna but

[WISPA] Dragonwave Backhaul

2009-09-29 Thread Marco Coelho
What are people paying for dragonwave horizon quantom backhauls? I'm looking at putting 2 links up. How solid are these? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread St. Louis Broadband
And the below message proves that my txt skills are off...(however I corrected it;) What really blows my mind is that she does not want book learning she wants to be an entrepreneur, or a tower climber...I am not sure that she know the meaning of either. I tell her that is an entrepreneur is job

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread jp
Maybe someday, txt messaging skills will be a requirement to get a ham license, much like morse code used to be. When our kids are greyed they will look down upon the fool that can't txt x words per minute, since it's been around for so long and is internationally used. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I only hit about 5k a month. Someone I know hit 13k... 30k? Wow. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:11 PM To: 'WISPA

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't understand how Verizon and ATT have problems with capacity on their cell networks. They own the copper and fiber in the ground all over hell. They have GigE fiber services. It just doesn't make sense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Yeah right. She won't even let me know what her face book account is. It is too private for me to know, but yet it is published on the Internet.where is the logic? V From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:09 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread David E. Smith
On Tue, September 29, 2009 10:07 am, Mike Hammett wrote: I don't understand how Verizon and ATT have problems with capacity on their cell networks. They own the copper and fiber in the ground all over hell. They have GigE fiber services. It just doesn't make sense. There's only one ILEC in

[WISPA] FCC Seeking Public Comment on Public Safety, Homeland Security and Cybersecurity

2009-09-29 Thread Lists
FCC Seeking Public Comment on Public Safety, Homeland Security and Cybersecurity of National Broadband plan: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-2133A1.pdf WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Nah, she is not screwed up. My 6 year old has already told me she wants to 'play antenna' like daddy when she grows up. She also wants to drive the bucket truck as her car when she learns to drive! ryan On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:14 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
Our kids should get together. Liam (6) and Grayson (3) both 'give the world internet' with various toys (talkie talkies). Its bad mojo to leave a radio/poe on the table with them around. They learned what magic smoke is and why its bad to let it out (RB133C + StarOS POE) =\ D. Ryan Spott

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman
At least they understand square hole square peg! Remember Apollo 13 with the round vs square CO2 filter? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Brian Webster
Title: Thank You, If you have Verizon for your service you can get the parental controls feature and limit the amount and times the phone is active. Might help curb things. My daughter is using about 13 to 16 thousand texts a month and I am working on controlling her use for the same concerns

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Thank You,LOL My 12 year old think's he's the only kid in the world that has to physically put his phone into his parent's room at 9pm on school nights. Trouble is, he's up at 11pm texting people. Then he gets tired and starts to misbehave more than normal. sigh marlon - Original

Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread my_em...@webjogger.net
Most of the customer I'll be upgrading have external antennas already, so I'm hoping that upgrade process will be relatively easy by just changing the indoors radio. For new customers I think it's good that it has an external antenna anyway, because where we are there a lot of trees and very

Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Cameron Kilton
I would act soon. Alvarion has a great special ending tomorrow. Buy one AU get one Free. I just ordered 5 of them last week. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net Sent: Tuesday, September 29,

[WISPA] Multipath

2009-09-29 Thread Mark McElvy
I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a j-mount on eve of house, clear LOS to tower 1 mile away, -56 signal. This eve is over the porch roof to the east and signal shoots over the south plane

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Bump it up about 10 degrees and see if that helps your multipath issue. Does the signal strength stay at -57 or does it fluctuate? On MT gear it's very easy to identify it as you'll see -55 for the most part, then -70 for a quick moment. I'm assuming you're using Canopy here - watch the

Re: [WISPA] test-ignnore

2009-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman
works Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Tom DeReggi

[WISPA] test-ignnore

2009-09-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
Testing 123. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Multipath I am curious if anyone thinks

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-09-29 Thread Bob Moldashel
Mark, Was this an existing installation and it just started acting up or has it been doing this since day one?? -B- Mark McElvy wrote: I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-09-29 Thread Marco Coelho
Is there any large metal surfaces immediately in front of the radio (antenna)? I've seen the metal rim of a brick fireplace stack cause erratic behavior until we moved our antenna up a couple of feet. Marco On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Bump

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-09-29 Thread Marco Coelho
make that ARE there any On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any large metal surfaces immediately in front of the radio (antenna)?  I've seen the metal rim of a brick fireplace stack cause erratic behavior until we moved our antenna up a couple

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-09-29 Thread Mark McElvy
First radio Tranzeo CPQ15 second was a Ubiquity NS2. I never noticed a signal fluctuation. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:54 PM

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Any issues, or are there any, with other stations on that same AP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-09-29 Thread Mark McElvy
I am on the same AP with no issue and other customers are not talking if they are having issues. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman
You have a metal reflector between the AP and CPE - most definitely multipath. Can you aim it up 10 degrees? This fixes it for me (though I've never installed with a metal roof between the two radios). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-09-29 Thread Mike
Multipath and/or scintillation. It looks like the sun is shining and 65 degrees in Salem. Sun beating on that metal surface can cause heat waves to rise in front of the antenna causing scintillation. Sometimes this stuff is black magic and moving a CPE a couple feet one way or another can

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Ryan Spott
When I have parents that are concerned about their kids getting on that facebooky thing I tell them to have their kids put their username/password in a sealed envelope and put that in a visible place in the house (the fridge or something) then if there is an issue with the kid running off with

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Alltell is a part of Verizon Wireless. I agree they couldn't do it everywhere, but not much of the country isn't under Verizon or ATT control (before Verizon's sale to Frontier). If it's internal, that's still a dumb reason, though completely believable. It's doubtful the towers are running

Re: [WISPA] Securealign

2009-09-29 Thread Jerry Richardson
Works with the NS2 and LOCO. 10dB is about right. Also put a LOCO on a WB dish yesterday in a test - works great. Had to attach the radio as far up the mounting arm as it woould go to get the antenna in the focal point. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud

Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'd really like to hear some success stories from people using Name brand 900Mhz OFDM, compared to non-OFDM.. Or more importantly, if anyone has had bad experience with Name brand 900Mhz OFDM, compared to non-OFDM.. I'd also like input from Name Brand OFDM 900Mhz manufacturers regarding what

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
What would be interesting is how many were inbound versus outbound, and the ratio. Real Converstaion is usually equally bi-directional. If they are havy inbound, She could be getting heavilly text message spammed. Or on text message List servs. (does twitter send to SMS text?) Tom DeReggi

Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik

2009-09-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'd argue that if you are running with 69000 connections, you could be running into multiple problems. I cant comment on StarOS specifically, but one of the reasons we upgarded our servers from 2.4Kernal to 2.6 kernel was because of connection tracking table size. 2.6 kernels allowed

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Twitter, FaceBook, MySpace, etc. all send to text. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread St. Louis Broadband
I believe it is SMS text and she said most of it coming from her peeps...jeeze, I should have never given her a computer...lol V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:37 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Backhaul

2009-09-29 Thread 3-dB Networks
Pricing has not been released on the Quantum yet. I will be happy to quote it offlist to anyone as soon as it is released. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco

[WISPA] OT: Wire taps (AC electrical)

2009-09-29 Thread Jerry Richardson
Need to power WiFi APs mounted to streetlights and cannot get ot the photsensor switches as they are ornamental. Looking for taps to connect to 2GA cable without cutting the existing splices. I think it's 2GA. I've used splices for 12GA but have never seen anything bigger. Does such an animal

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Scottie Arnett
Keep in mind that probably most of those were in answer to a text or she started and was answered back. So it was probably closer to 16,000 two way text's. Still unimaginable to me. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadband

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Scottie Arnett
I still don't understand the text explosion. Me either? Why? I can usually call a person and say what I have to say in less time than it takes me to text one message and get a reply back. I can also understand that texting has its place. Like inside a theater where people other than me do not

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman
I personally like text messages. For personal contacts during work it's a blessing. For the 10 second message during work it saves time. Not a fan of conversations girls like to have on text but what can ya do? On 9/29/09, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: I still don't understand the

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Andrew Jones
That is crazy! Even with conservative numbers: 16000 texts / 31 days in a month/16 waking hours in a day = 32.25 texts per hour! That's one every two minutes. Scottie Arnett wrote: Keep in mind that probably most of those were in answer to a text or she started and was answered back. So it

Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Chuck Bartosch
You shouldn't have to worry too much about the old product because I think they did a 100% field upgrade at no cost to owners of those AUs, right? You should still check, but I would hope it'd be unusual to find an upgraded unit for sale. Chuck On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Nick Huanca

Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread cam
They have upgraded one of my older units as well. I have two more of the older units left, thankfully they are in the air and in low noise areas, I hope to have them upgraded soon just because. -Cameron You shouldn't have to worry too much about the old product because I think they did a 100%

[WISPA] Looking For Fiber

2009-09-29 Thread Robert West
Anyone have or know about any fiber in Jeffersonville, Ohio? We can reach Time Warner but we already use them in the network and would like to use this to add another gateway. Thanks Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

[WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-29 Thread Robert West
Looking at a possible path but we would run right down the runway of an airport. Not small planes, the big ones! Towers are 300' on both ends.. I don't see any issues here but have no idea what to expect from the RF over that thing. They are fully automated with all the latest in radio

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman
If it won't connect to one at -55 but will to -85 I bet it's a config problem. Or faulty radios. On 9/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK gang, here is a good one. I've been converting my backhauls to 5GHz and my entire network to a star topology to my main tower where our fiber is.

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-29 Thread RickG
Cant be faulty since they both will connect to other radios fine. I checked, double-checked, and triple-checked the configs and they are correct. Really, StarOS is too easy to make an error. Any other ideas? On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman
I haven't used staros so I can't say much about the software. Can it see interference from anything or just atheros? If it can see it all look for something on the same channel. On 9/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Cant be faulty since they both will connect to other radios fine. I

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text. What state law does not allow tower climbers to send text messages? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman
I have a hard time believing that's in the law books... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 30,

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-29 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Oh, and while we are on the texting subject does anyone know why the Nextel iDen network sometimes will get SO SLOW on receiving text messages? I just switched from them to Verizon because of it. I thought I was doing a lot at 3,000 per month but apparently I'm being outdone, lol. Kurt Fankhauser

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-29 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 23:55 -0400, RickG wrote: Cant be faulty since they both will connect to other radios fine. I checked, double-checked, and triple-checked the configs and they are correct. Really, StarOS is too easy to make an error. Any other ideas? Does StarOS have a scan feature? If