Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

[RickG]

I'll double-check the connectors and let you know.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Michael Baird  wrote:

> Rick,
>
> I read something about guys complaining about high rates of failure with
> the connectors on the latest batch 10/22/2009 or something.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
> > Anyone having issues with flaky Bullet2HP units? The last batch I got
> wont
> > connect to my StarOS/WRAP's. Actually, I discovered they do connect but
> have
> > 80+% packet loss. I updated them to 3.5 firmware but no help. Previous
> > shipments have worked great. -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti units

[RickG]

Still not quite right. Even with a low setting it burst way too much. I'm
just setting burst to "0" until it gets figured out. -RickG

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Yep, you're right.  I've had mine set too high as well.
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> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:38 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti units
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> Doh! Thats it! I misread the settings for burst on the Advanced Page.
> Ubiquiti actually mixed nomenclature by using both Kbps and KBps! -RickG
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Robert West
> wrote:
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> > Yep, I saw the same thing.  I just let it go, haven't had time to figure
> it
> > out.  Thought about turning off bursting to see if that would fix it but
> I
> > rather like allowing it, just not for as long as the nano allows it.  I
> > must
> > be missing something like you are, dunno.
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> > Bob-
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> > Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:44 PM
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> > Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti units
> >
> > Speaking of Ubiquiti units. Another issue I'm having is that the
> bandwidth
> > shaping does not seem to work. Actually, it kinda works. It allows the
> > connection to burst for a long period of time and slowly throttles back
> to
> > the speed setting. I didnt notice this before but maybe its correct?
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Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

[Robert West]

Hey!  Only $6.99 at Amazon!

That little item looks to be a very useful thing.

http://www.amazon.com/Prism-Technologies-Proheat-Reusable-Warmer/dp/B000C9DC
G8

Bob-




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

Talk about hand warmers. I saw at the dollar tree they had hand warmers
(reusable). I had those reusable before ad they are GREAT. There is a small
metal "button" inside you "pop" and it starts to get warm. After a while
they start to cool down ad start to get hard. To make it usable again just
boil it and it gets soft again and once it gets cool it's ready to use just
pop the button again. 

You could find them before in wild life stores but they seemed to be
numerous dollars there but been a while since I looked for them so might be
lot cheaper today..

/Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

I picked up whole box of them tonight at Advance Auto while getting some
transmission fluid.  20 in a box, 89 cents each.  Says will last 7 hours.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

I like the hand warmer idea.  I see em for less than a buck per 
regularly.  Thanks for the tip.

mg

At 02:01 PM 12/17/2009, you wrote:
>Yeah, you are an id10t!  Yikes.
>
>It's only internet guys!  NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work.  Oh, they
>act like they will, but they wont.
>
>Safety first, and last.  If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last
>thing you do in this business or any other.  We get in enough jams just
>doing what we have to do.  Lets not compound the problem.
>
>OK, having said that.  I keep a box full (yes a box full) of those chemical
>hand and foot warmers in the car this time of year.  EVERY car.  When I
have
>to work outside for any amount of time (I tend to not wear gloves at all,
>can't work with them) I tape one to the inside of my wrist.  Right where
>you'd check your pulse.  That does an amazing job of warming the blood
going
>into your hands.  Try it some time, you'll be amazed at how warm your hands
>stay.
>
>You can also put one or two of them in your front pants pocket and that'll
>help keep your feet warm.  I found out that riding a dirt bike stirs up too
>much air and they get really hot!  I ended up with blistered skin on my
legs
>from a couple of them.  If they start to feel too hot, they are.  I'd have
>never guessed that that could have happened!
>
>laters,
>marlon
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Robert West" 
>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
>
>
> > Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh  28 degrees while
> > holding
> > onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
> >
> > Really glad you're OK!  I have never been able to keep my fingers
> > decent - they freeze at 50!
> >
> > On 12/16/09, Robert West  wrote:
> >> I'm an idiot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon.  300 foot tower.
> >> Drive
> >> to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat,
> >> all
> >> good.  No gloves.  Figures.  Where are the gloves?  The NEW gloves?
> >> Home.
> >> All I had was a thin pair of leather work gloves.  Did I go up?
> > Certainly,
> >> because I'm an idiot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  I can now almost feel my fingers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Was a balmy 28 degrees out with winds to 17 mph.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just had to share my utter stupidity.  Never again.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert West
> >>
> >> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> >>
> >> 740-335-7020
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Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

[Eje Gustafsson]

Talk about hand warmers. I saw at the dollar tree they had hand warmers
(reusable). I had those reusable before ad they are GREAT. There is a small
metal "button" inside you "pop" and it starts to get warm. After a while
they start to cool down ad start to get hard. To make it usable again just
boil it and it gets soft again and once it gets cool it's ready to use just
pop the button again. 

You could find them before in wild life stores but they seemed to be
numerous dollars there but been a while since I looked for them so might be
lot cheaper today..

/Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

I picked up whole box of them tonight at Advance Auto while getting some
transmission fluid.  20 in a box, 89 cents each.  Says will last 7 hours.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

I like the hand warmer idea.  I see em for less than a buck per 
regularly.  Thanks for the tip.

mg

At 02:01 PM 12/17/2009, you wrote:
>Yeah, you are an id10t!  Yikes.
>
>It's only internet guys!  NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work.  Oh, they
>act like they will, but they wont.
>
>Safety first, and last.  If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last
>thing you do in this business or any other.  We get in enough jams just
>doing what we have to do.  Lets not compound the problem.
>
>OK, having said that.  I keep a box full (yes a box full) of those chemical
>hand and foot warmers in the car this time of year.  EVERY car.  When I
have
>to work outside for any amount of time (I tend to not wear gloves at all,
>can't work with them) I tape one to the inside of my wrist.  Right where
>you'd check your pulse.  That does an amazing job of warming the blood
going
>into your hands.  Try it some time, you'll be amazed at how warm your hands
>stay.
>
>You can also put one or two of them in your front pants pocket and that'll
>help keep your feet warm.  I found out that riding a dirt bike stirs up too
>much air and they get really hot!  I ended up with blistered skin on my
legs
>from a couple of them.  If they start to feel too hot, they are.  I'd have
>never guessed that that could have happened!
>
>laters,
>marlon
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Robert West" 
>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
>
>
> > Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh  28 degrees while
> > holding
> > onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
> >
> > Really glad you're OK!  I have never been able to keep my fingers
> > decent - they freeze at 50!
> >
> > On 12/16/09, Robert West  wrote:
> >> I'm an idiot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon.  300 foot tower.
> >> Drive
> >> to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat,
> >> all
> >> good.  No gloves.  Figures.  Where are the gloves?  The NEW gloves?
> >> Home.
> >> All I had was a thin pair of leather work gloves.  Did I go up?
> > Certainly,
> >> because I'm an idiot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  I can now almost feel my fingers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Was a balmy 28 degrees out with winds to 17 mph.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just had to share my utter stupidity.  Never again.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert West
> >>
> >> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> >>
> >> 740-335-7020
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > 
>

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> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
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> > --- Albert Einstein
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Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

[Robert West]

I picked up whole box of them tonight at Advance Auto while getting some
transmission fluid.  20 in a box, 89 cents each.  Says will last 7 hours.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

I like the hand warmer idea.  I see em for less than a buck per 
regularly.  Thanks for the tip.

mg

At 02:01 PM 12/17/2009, you wrote:
>Yeah, you are an id10t!  Yikes.
>
>It's only internet guys!  NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work.  Oh, they
>act like they will, but they wont.
>
>Safety first, and last.  If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last
>thing you do in this business or any other.  We get in enough jams just
>doing what we have to do.  Lets not compound the problem.
>
>OK, having said that.  I keep a box full (yes a box full) of those chemical
>hand and foot warmers in the car this time of year.  EVERY car.  When I
have
>to work outside for any amount of time (I tend to not wear gloves at all,
>can't work with them) I tape one to the inside of my wrist.  Right where
>you'd check your pulse.  That does an amazing job of warming the blood
going
>into your hands.  Try it some time, you'll be amazed at how warm your hands
>stay.
>
>You can also put one or two of them in your front pants pocket and that'll
>help keep your feet warm.  I found out that riding a dirt bike stirs up too
>much air and they get really hot!  I ended up with blistered skin on my
legs
>from a couple of them.  If they start to feel too hot, they are.  I'd have
>never guessed that that could have happened!
>
>laters,
>marlon
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Robert West" 
>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
>
>
> > Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh  28 degrees while
> > holding
> > onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
> >
> > Really glad you're OK!  I have never been able to keep my fingers
> > decent - they freeze at 50!
> >
> > On 12/16/09, Robert West  wrote:
> >> I'm an idiot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon.  300 foot tower.
> >> Drive
> >> to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat,
> >> all
> >> good.  No gloves.  Figures.  Where are the gloves?  The NEW gloves?
> >> Home.
> >> All I had was a thin pair of leather work gloves.  Did I go up?
> > Certainly,
> >> because I'm an idiot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  I can now almost feel my fingers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Was a balmy 28 degrees out with winds to 17 mph.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just had to share my utter stupidity.  Never again.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert West
> >>
> >> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> >>
> >> 740-335-7020
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > 
>

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> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
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Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

[Mike]

I like the hand warmer idea.  I see em for less than a buck per 
regularly.  Thanks for the tip.

mg

At 02:01 PM 12/17/2009, you wrote:
>Yeah, you are an id10t!  Yikes.
>
>It's only internet guys!  NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work.  Oh, they
>act like they will, but they wont.
>
>Safety first, and last.  If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last
>thing you do in this business or any other.  We get in enough jams just
>doing what we have to do.  Lets not compound the problem.
>
>OK, having said that.  I keep a box full (yes a box full) of those chemical
>hand and foot warmers in the car this time of year.  EVERY car.  When I have
>to work outside for any amount of time (I tend to not wear gloves at all,
>can't work with them) I tape one to the inside of my wrist.  Right where
>you'd check your pulse.  That does an amazing job of warming the blood going
>into your hands.  Try it some time, you'll be amazed at how warm your hands
>stay.
>
>You can also put one or two of them in your front pants pocket and that'll
>help keep your feet warm.  I found out that riding a dirt bike stirs up too
>much air and they get really hot!  I ended up with blistered skin on my legs
>from a couple of them.  If they start to feel too hot, they are.  I'd have
>never guessed that that could have happened!
>
>laters,
>marlon
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Robert West" 
>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
>
>
> > Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh  28 degrees while
> > holding
> > onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
> >
> > Really glad you're OK!  I have never been able to keep my fingers
> > decent - they freeze at 50!
> >
> > On 12/16/09, Robert West  wrote:
> >> I'm an idiot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon.  300 foot tower.
> >> Drive
> >> to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat,
> >> all
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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[jp]

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 03:04:28PM -0600, Chadd Thompson wrote:
> Just curious but how will this work out for you guys in the end? 
> 
> Is it going to just give you guys access to middle mile facilities or is it
> going to give you access to wholesale fiber to the home?

Primarily middle-mile/2nd mile facilities. It will help us keep up with 
bandwidth demand 
to the last mile like we all supplied comment for a few weeks ago with the 
WISPA survey 
in support of additional spectrum. It's not a replacement for spectrum, as it 
doesn't go 
everywhere.

It will partially enable ISPs to build spurs off the ring to do small FTTH 
projects that 
are not doable now due to no middle mile. It will also let us (and other ISPs) 
offer 
higher end services to big business customers that can afford it.

> The way I see it is in our area if the rural areas ever get FTH most of us
> out here are done because there just is no way to compete with fiber in the
> wireless world.

Join the fiber rush instead of fight it. It's not that hard technically and it 
is very 
future proof and low maintenance. It's just more money up front per customer. 
We do 
wireless, DSL, dialup, and now some fiber, and consider ourselves technology 
agnostic. We 
like wireless alot and are well known for that, but we're also pragmatic. We 
expect to 
continue to grow in mostly wireless and fiber. We may even grow in DSL if we 
can get our 
wholesale DSL provider into more COs as a result of the middle mile project.

You can also use fiber to bring bandwidth to your towers when you outgrow your 
backhauls. 
As data uses increase, you have to weight the cost of dark fiber versus 
expensive 
backhaul upgrades every couple of years. The fiber access could also make the 
wireless 
sites more attractive to lucrative cell carrier leasees.

> I wouldn't see anything good coming out of a government funded FTH project
> in IL for the small ISP's. Now if it was just middle mile facilities that
> the ISP's could hook into then yeah it would provide a future for us.
> 
> Chadd
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:06 PM
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[Robert West]

Yeah, they have to.  It's the only economical way to provide last mile in
the sticks in a hurry.  My issue isn't with that though, it's the energy
wasted on self promotion.  I don't have the answer on what they should do
and I don't know if they should do anything at all.  As I said before, those
who "have" can easily afford broadband now, I'm more interested in helping
provide to those who "have not".  And still make a buck or two of course,
I'm not THAT dumb!

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:27 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

Bob-

Take a closer look at the Connect Ohio newsletters.  Both the November
edition and the Fall quarter newsletter feature WISPs ;)  They speak
wireless everywhere they go.

Chris Cooper
Intelliwave


> Maybe I'm sensitive or easily put off but the last Newsletter that we
> received from the Connect Ohio division of CN had me "almost" confront
the
> CN coordinator at the meeting.  I know that the mission is to provide
> broadband to EVERYONE and that includes those who can already afford
> access,
> (?) but every newsletter I get seems to be pandering to who they are
> getting
> their money from and doesn't have much to do with providing broadband
in
> rural areas.  (Many examples of AT&T big shots in photo ops with state
and
> local politicians donating PC's to schools and similar activities)
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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[Robert West]

Man, I'm really glad that logic and common sense prevailed.  So the system
worked out.  Hopefully the rest will make just as much sense.  It will take
only one idiotic grant to make the rest of the program look like the bank
bailout then no one will get any respect.

I personally thank you for your service, David.  You are doing well.

Bob-



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Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 13:24, Robert West
wrote:

> So how did it get through?  :)
>
>
The grants were reviewed and scored by independent volunteers (I was one),
who scored each of them using a fairly complex rubric. It covered things
like "does this meet one of the government's broadband deployment and
economic stimulus goals," of course, but there also were a lot of points for
things like "is this budget realistic" and "will this technology actually do
what the applicant says it will." Obviously, the volunteers' scores weren't
the only factor considered by NTIA, but I'm proud to have been a bit of a
nonsense-filter. Obviously I can't talk about any of the specific
applications I reviewed, but the five applications, totaling over 1000
pages, had a couple doozies in there. Some folks were interested in trying
to build out broadband, others were pretty clearly just making a cash grab.
I'm hoping I was able to do a little bit to help the former and quell the
latter.

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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[Robert West]

Not me, I'm a realist for the most part.  I read their mission as to help
provide broadband in whatever manner it takes to do it.  In our area, as
someone mentioned, there is the fiber ring being built by Horizon Telecom
out of Chillicothe.  Very good!  We want that.  I'm for whatever it takes to
build middle mile into the rural areas but you will get a faster and more
bang for your buck out in BFE using wireless for last mile and CN knows that
and they will say so.  And to go further, if a Telco receives a big grant to
install DSL out in no man's land with 1 house for every 4 square miles, I'll
applaud that as well, believe it or not.  My goal isn't to get all I can for
me, I got into this to "help" provide access where there isn't any.  

But that kind of is my point when I jumped into this.  CN or Connect Ohio
doesn't look to me to be as interested in helping people who will never give
them the spot light as they are showing how much they can hob-knob with
state reps, congressmen, CEO's and how they helped someone with enough cash
to provide their own access.  All along, I'm out here trying to cut corners,
work deals and provide the best service I can at cut rate prices so that
those without the car collection, lake cottage and masters degree can afford
it.  To be perfectly honest, I really don't think they are providing a
service that we didn't already have, aside from the mapping, and that could
have been setup perfectly well by a non-profit or even a for-profit firm who
have a local interest in this.  I have received years of experience from the
wireless community in a span of less than a year and it's free for the
asking.  There are even many here who, for a fee, and that's expected and
respected, come and help you out of a jam or show you how to do things
differently at all hours of the day and night.  

To have this CN person whip in once a month, pull out MS Project or Power
Point and go over what we need to do for the next month and an hour and a
half later leave...     For the Telco's, not for the Telco's,
for the Wisp, for the Dog Catcher, I really don't care.  Less "Schmooze" and
more action in the areas that need it most without all the crowing is all I
ask.  I learned this one thing a long time ago, "The busiest person in town
is the one you never know about.  The laziest person in town is the one who
is constantly telling everyone how busy they are".  I see a lot of "We're so
busy" coming from the non-tech side of this bunch.  "Too much talkie-talkie"
as I say in my most politically incorrect fake Chinese accent.

Now, and I'm not trying to be a jerk (sometimes I don't have to trysigh)
Did you pay them for any their services and if so, do you want to tell us a
rough range of what it was?  Not looking for fuel to add to it, I'm just
really interested because they had such a hard sell when I talked to them
and I dropped them quick.  I would totally expect their tech guys to be
straight shooters and good guys because I suspect they are like us and are
never at the top of the food chain.  It's the "suits" who muck it all up for
us.  

I will never fault anyone for paying for info and for help when they need
it, so I'm no finger pointer.  I've wasted plenty of my own cash (and a lot
more of my parents when I was younger.  Ask them.  After a long pause, my
father may be able to bring himself to tell you) on my own personal tech
addiction.  :)

Bob-

 



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

My only point (and this is my last one, then I'll go back to lurking) is
that the comments appear to me that maybe we (WISPA members) were expecting
Connect Ohio / CN to be a wireless only advocate.  However, at least in
Ohio, they received money to push broadband - regardless of the way it
arrives at the home or business.  Where we have requested help with our
wireless business, we have received great help and and great cooperation.  I
don't expect them to "favor" wireless over FTTH or DSL, because those
providers are paying taxes too.  But where they do help me, I expect it to
be unbiased.  Their wireless folks have been straight shooters, and 100%
dedicated to helping our wireless be successful.  What limited success we've
had so far, we owe in a big part to Connected Nation / Connect Ohio.

Kind Regards,
David Hannum
Managing Partner
New Era Broadband, LLC
www.newerabroadband.com



On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
wrote:

> Yeah, that's my recollection too.  We (wispa) almost joined an effort that
> they had going.  In the end we (wispa) decided not to participate.  I
think
> Rick would remember more about that than I do.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck Bartosch" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[Chadd Thompson]

Just curious but how will this work out for you guys in the end? 

Is it going to just give you guys access to middle mile facilities or is it
going to give you access to wholesale fiber to the home?

The way I see it is in our area if the rural areas ever get FTH most of us
out here are done because there just is no way to compete with fiber in the
wireless world.

I wouldn't see anything good coming out of a government funded FTH project
in IL for the small ISP's. Now if it was just middle mile facilities that
the ISP's could hook into then yeah it would provide a future for us.

Chadd

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Behalf Of jp
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[Matt Liotta]

See the highlighted projects here...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/20091217-recovery-act-investments-broadband.pdf

-Matt

On Dec 17, 2009, at 3:20 PM, David E. Smith wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 13:24, Robert West  micro.com>wrote:
>
>> So how did it get through?  :)
>>
>>
> The grants were reviewed and scored by independent volunteers (I was  
> one),
> who scored each of them using a fairly complex rubric. It covered  
> things
> like "does this meet one of the government's broadband deployment and
> economic stimulus goals," of course, but there also were a lot of  
> points for
> things like "is this budget realistic" and "will this technology  
> actually do
> what the applicant says it will." Obviously, the volunteers' scores  
> weren't
> the only factor considered by NTIA, but I'm proud to have been a bit  
> of a
> nonsense-filter. Obviously I can't talk about any of the specific
> applications I reviewed, but the five applications, totaling over 1000
> pages, had a couple doozies in there. Some folks were interested in  
> trying
> to build out broadband, others were pretty clearly just making a  
> cash grab.
> I'm hoping I was able to do a little bit to help the former and  
> quell the
> latter.
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection

[Robert West]

So does Marlon the Magician have a paper written on the ways and means to
get around the 3 to one rule or have we finally found new ground?

:)

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:05 PM
To: spie...@avolve.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection

We covered that pretty well at the FCC one day.  There are very specific 
rules you have to follow to avoid the 3 for one rule.  I can be done, just 
not easily.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Stuart Pierce" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection


> Then again there is that part about a 120* sector and the thinking that 
> each cpe is in fact acting like a ptp system, since the ap only talks to 
> one cpe at a time.
>
> Just to throw another log on the fire.
>
> The 120* part comes from what I understood from someone talking about this

> type of discussion from the FCC.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Matt Jenkins 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:39:24 -0800
>
>>They are perfectly legal until you connect up that second CPE then they
>>are operating in a PTMP fashion and you (the operator) are violating FCC
>>rules.
>>
>>Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> Yeap! how they are selling the units as APs with the sectors ...hmmm
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> 787.273.4143
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:05 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection
>>>
>>> According to Ubiquiti themselves and the FCC:
>>>
>>> This equipment is required to be professionally installed
>>>
>>> The device has been designed to operate with the antennas listed below
>>> and having a maximum gain of 30dBi. Antennas not included in this list
>>> or having a gain greater than 30dBi are strictly prohibited for use with
>>>
>>> this device. The required antenna impedance is 50 ohms
>>>
>>> 2x2 Point-To-Point Use
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti RD-5G-30
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti RP-5G-24
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti AMS-5G-20
>>>
>>> 1x1 Point-To-Point Use
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti AG-5G-30
>>>
>>> 2x2 Point-To-MultiPoint Use
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti O-5G-7
>>>
>>> Operation is restricted to Point-To-Point use for antenass other than
>>> the Ubiquiti O-5G-7 listed above.
>>>
>>>
>>> That means the only legal antenna is a 7db omni for PTMP use.
>>>
>>> Scott Piehn wrote:
 Looking for input on which antennas to use
 Was mentioned briefly on one of the lists that using a 16-120 instead
>>> of a 19-120 would give better coverage, We have 7 or so 19-120's
>>> deployed and they just seem to be very "particular".  seems about 60
>>> degree wide, and 2 mile out sweet spot.
 Looking based on
 covering out to 5 miles max (think that is the current limit of NS5M)
 tower is 200 - 250 on a hill.  could be up to 350' above people
 or tower (antenna) is 100' above people
 360 degree around tower


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>>> what is allowed on which.
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[chris cooper]

Bob-

Take a closer look at the Connect Ohio newsletters.  Both the November
edition and the Fall quarter newsletter feature WISPs ;)  They speak
wireless everywhere they go.

Chris Cooper
Intelliwave


> Maybe I'm sensitive or easily put off but the last Newsletter that we
> received from the Connect Ohio division of CN had me "almost" confront
the
> CN coordinator at the meeting.  I know that the mission is to provide
> broadband to EVERYONE and that includes those who can already afford
> access,
> (?) but every newsletter I get seems to be pandering to who they are
> getting
> their money from and doesn't have much to do with providing broadband
in
> rural areas.  (Many examples of AT&T big shots in photo ops with state
and
> local politicians donating PC's to schools and similar activities)
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Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

[Robert West]

You mean my freezing to death isn't worth the price of someone going to
Lolcats.com?  I shudder at the thought!

My issue was it was nice and sunny.  I rationalized myself into going up.
HA!  I now have a pair of cheap Thinisulate gloves from Wal-Mart in every
toolbox.  (60 bucks worth, cold motivates a person to spend cash)  I figure
I have rubber tape in every nook and cranny of the work van, may as well
have gloves and hats bouncing around all over too.

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

Yeah, you are an id10t!  Yikes.

It's only internet guys!  NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work.  Oh, they 
act like they will, but they wont.

Safety first, and last.  If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last 
thing you do in this business or any other.  We get in enough jams just 
doing what we have to do.  Lets not compound the problem.

OK, having said that.  I keep a box full (yes a box full) of those chemical 
hand and foot warmers in the car this time of year.  EVERY car.  When I have

to work outside for any amount of time (I tend to not wear gloves at all, 
can't work with them) I tape one to the inside of my wrist.  Right where 
you'd check your pulse.  That does an amazing job of warming the blood going

into your hands.  Try it some time, you'll be amazed at how warm your hands 
stay.

You can also put one or two of them in your front pants pocket and that'll 
help keep your feet warm.  I found out that riding a dirt bike stirs up too 
much air and they get really hot!  I ended up with blistered skin on my legs

from a couple of them.  If they start to feel too hot, they are.  I'd have 
never guessed that that could have happened!

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot


> Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh  28 degrees while 
> holding
> onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
>
> Really glad you're OK!  I have never been able to keep my fingers
> decent - they freeze at 50!
>
> On 12/16/09, Robert West  wrote:
>> I'm an idiot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon.  300 foot tower. 
>> Drive
>> to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat, 
>> all
>> good.  No gloves.  Figures.  Where are the gloves?  The NEW gloves? 
>> Home.
>> All I had was a thin pair of leather work gloves.  Did I go up?
> Certainly,
>> because I'm an idiot.
>>
>>
>>
>>  I can now almost feel my fingers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Was a balmy 28 degrees out with winds to 17 mph.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just had to share my utter stupidity.  Never again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert West
>>
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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[David E. Smith]

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 13:24, Robert West wrote:

> So how did it get through?  :)
>
>
The grants were reviewed and scored by independent volunteers (I was one),
who scored each of them using a fairly complex rubric. It covered things
like "does this meet one of the government's broadband deployment and
economic stimulus goals," of course, but there also were a lot of points for
things like "is this budget realistic" and "will this technology actually do
what the applicant says it will." Obviously, the volunteers' scores weren't
the only factor considered by NTIA, but I'm proud to have been a bit of a
nonsense-filter. Obviously I can't talk about any of the specific
applications I reviewed, but the five applications, totaling over 1000
pages, had a couple doozies in there. Some folks were interested in trying
to build out broadband, others were pretty clearly just making a cash grab.
I'm hoping I was able to do a little bit to help the former and quell the
latter.

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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[David Hannum]

My only point (and this is my last one, then I'll go back to lurking) is
that the comments appear to me that maybe we (WISPA members) were expecting
Connect Ohio / CN to be a wireless only advocate.  However, at least in
Ohio, they received money to push broadband - regardless of the way it
arrives at the home or business.  Where we have requested help with our
wireless business, we have received great help and and great cooperation.  I
don't expect them to "favor" wireless over FTTH or DSL, because those
providers are paying taxes too.  But where they do help me, I expect it to
be unbiased.  Their wireless folks have been straight shooters, and 100%
dedicated to helping our wireless be successful.  What limited success we've
had so far, we owe in a big part to Connected Nation / Connect Ohio.

Kind Regards,
David Hannum
Managing Partner
New Era Broadband, LLC
www.newerabroadband.com



On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> Yeah, that's my recollection too.  We (wispa) almost joined an effort that
> they had going.  In the end we (wispa) decided not to participate.  I think
> Rick would remember more about that than I do.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck Bartosch" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation
>
>
>  > Been lots of discussion about this. Without repeating all that
> discussion,
> > I think the conclusion has been, "bad for us". Telco tool.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone determined whether Connected Nation is good or bad for us?
> >>
> >> My state hired them for the map, but I don't want to respond with any
> >> information if the things I heard in the past are still true.  I don't
> >> remember the points, I just remembered that they were bad news, so to
> >> avoid them.  They sent me an NDA, but I never really read any of that
> >> stuff anyway.  Most any contract is about as effective as a paper bag
> >> holding water.
> >>
> >>
> >> -
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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[jp]

It's a mix of miracles, talent, and deparation. 

Usually when the state government gets involved, Fairpoint (or whoever 
owns the phone company this week) manages to use their role in 
government to screw things up good. It's a miracle that didn't happen 
succesfully.

The backers AND planners are talented folks. Biddeford is the oldest 
Internet provider in the state (about a year older than us), and has 
worked with all the Internet providers (including us and competitors) 
and the university for planning/designing it properly from the ground 
up. The planners here are the talent. We all firmly believe the 
economics and expansion of Internet will be better with this than 
without. As far as I know this project has been planned exclusively by 
small clecs, ISPs, and the university.

Maine (and NH and VT) has a bankrupt phone company that has been 
shafting everyone for more than a decade. Prior to that, we were just a 
backwoods place where hand-me-down telco gear was installed when it 
wasn't good enough for Boston. It's the Internet supercowpath. The major 
ubiquitous fiber owners in Maine are the cable companies (which were 
recently bankrupt) and they don't have to share their fiber because of 
Brand-X, and they can't run fiber places they dont have franchise 
agreements for, since they'd have to cover the whole town. And then 
there is Fairpoint. Verizon skipped town with a 2+ billion dollars 
sellout and we got a debt ridden replacement with the same people, same 
plant, and different name. Fairpoint has fought at every level of 
government as a Bell to not have to provide wholesale access of anything 
whenever possible. Fairpoint has also been in big lawsuits preventing 
other companies from deploying fiber (see fairpoint/verizon versus 
oxford networks.) Thus, the only wide spread fiber is stuff bought with 
the blood of lawyers before wholesale agreements were nullified. Without 
wholesale access, prices are really such Fairpoint doesn't want to sell 
it, like thousands a month for just a local loop. Many people either 
want redundancy from fairpoint (a fair business need), or are looking to 
drop fairpoint like a lead balloon. There are also many places where 
fairpoint does not go, regardless of the price. Consumers can have a 
choice by porting to a cell phone or voip, but ISPs and large 
institutions haven't had any options for redundancy or a future when it 
comes to a better Internet middle mile. For the first time ever, people 
are starting to realize a duopoly isn't sufficient or ideal, especially 
when the Bell doesn't have the money to deploy end user DSL on schedule.



On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 02:24:08PM -0500, Robert West wrote:
> So how did it get through?  :)
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Cheney
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
> 
> Speaking as someone from Maine, and who knows a bit about what that plan 
> entails, it is an excellent project.
> 
> On 12/17/09 2:10 PM, Robert West wrote:
> > On the outside, that all sounds like reasonable choices and towards the
> > actual goal.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:41 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
> >
> > A $33.5 million grant to the North Georgia Network Cooperative for a
> > fiber-optic ring that will bring high-speed Internet connections to
> > the northern Georgia foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The
> > project will serve an eight-county area with a population of 334,000.
> >
> > A $25.4 million grant to the Biddleford Internet Corp., a partnership
> > between the University of Maine and service providers, to build three
> > fiber-optic rings across rural Maine. The network will pass through
> > more than 100 communities with 110,000 households and will connect 10
> > University of Maine campuses.
> >
> > A combined grant/loan of $2.4 million to the Consolidated Electric
> > Cooperative in north central Ohio to build a 166-mile fiber network
> > that will be used, among other things, to connect 16 electrical
> > substations to support a smart grid project.
> >
> > A 4G wireless network to be built by an Alaska Native Corporation in
> > southwestern Alaska, a fiber-to-the-home project in a remote corner of
> > New Hampshire and computer centers for 84 libraries in Arizona.
> >
> > -Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection

[Marlon K. Schafer]

We covered that pretty well at the FCC one day.  There are very specific 
rules you have to follow to avoid the 3 for one rule.  I can be done, just 
not easily.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Stuart Pierce" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection


> Then again there is that part about a 120* sector and the thinking that 
> each cpe is in fact acting like a ptp system, since the ap only talks to 
> one cpe at a time.
>
> Just to throw another log on the fire.
>
> The 120* part comes from what I understood from someone talking about this 
> type of discussion from the FCC.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Matt Jenkins 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:39:24 -0800
>
>>They are perfectly legal until you connect up that second CPE then they
>>are operating in a PTMP fashion and you (the operator) are violating FCC
>>rules.
>>
>>Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> Yeap! how they are selling the units as APs with the sectors ...hmmm
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> 787.273.4143
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:05 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection
>>>
>>> According to Ubiquiti themselves and the FCC:
>>>
>>> This equipment is required to be professionally installed
>>>
>>> The device has been designed to operate with the antennas listed below
>>> and having a maximum gain of 30dBi. Antennas not included in this list
>>> or having a gain greater than 30dBi are strictly prohibited for use with
>>>
>>> this device. The required antenna impedance is 50 ohms
>>>
>>> 2x2 Point-To-Point Use
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti RD-5G-30
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti RP-5G-24
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti AMS-5G-20
>>>
>>> 1x1 Point-To-Point Use
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti AG-5G-30
>>>
>>> 2x2 Point-To-MultiPoint Use
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti O-5G-7
>>>
>>> Operation is restricted to Point-To-Point use for antenass other than
>>> the Ubiquiti O-5G-7 listed above.
>>>
>>>
>>> That means the only legal antenna is a 7db omni for PTMP use.
>>>
>>> Scott Piehn wrote:
 Looking for input on which antennas to use
 Was mentioned briefly on one of the lists that using a 16-120 instead
>>> of a 19-120 would give better coverage, We have 7 or so 19-120's
>>> deployed and they just seem to be very "particular".  seems about 60
>>> degree wide, and 2 mile out sweet spot.
 Looking based on
 covering out to 5 miles max (think that is the current limit of NS5M)
 tower is 200 - 250 on a hill.  could be up to 350' above people
 or tower (antenna) is 100' above people
 360 degree around tower


 Apologies if this is the wrong list, can't keep them straight with
>>> what is allowed on which.
 -
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Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Yeah, you are an id10t!  Yikes.

It's only internet guys!  NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work.  Oh, they 
act like they will, but they wont.

Safety first, and last.  If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last 
thing you do in this business or any other.  We get in enough jams just 
doing what we have to do.  Lets not compound the problem.

OK, having said that.  I keep a box full (yes a box full) of those chemical 
hand and foot warmers in the car this time of year.  EVERY car.  When I have 
to work outside for any amount of time (I tend to not wear gloves at all, 
can't work with them) I tape one to the inside of my wrist.  Right where 
you'd check your pulse.  That does an amazing job of warming the blood going 
into your hands.  Try it some time, you'll be amazed at how warm your hands 
stay.

You can also put one or two of them in your front pants pocket and that'll 
help keep your feet warm.  I found out that riding a dirt bike stirs up too 
much air and they get really hot!  I ended up with blistered skin on my legs 
from a couple of them.  If they start to feel too hot, they are.  I'd have 
never guessed that that could have happened!

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot


> Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh  28 degrees while 
> holding
> onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
>
> Really glad you're OK!  I have never been able to keep my fingers
> decent - they freeze at 50!
>
> On 12/16/09, Robert West  wrote:
>> I'm an idiot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon.  300 foot tower. 
>> Drive
>> to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat, 
>> all
>> good.  No gloves.  Figures.  Where are the gloves?  The NEW gloves? 
>> Home.
>> All I had was a thin pair of leather work gloves.  Did I go up?
> Certainly,
>> because I'm an idiot.
>>
>>
>>
>>  I can now almost feel my fingers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Was a balmy 28 degrees out with winds to 17 mph.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just had to share my utter stupidity.  Never again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert West
>>
>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>>
>> 740-335-7020
>>
>>
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[WISPA] Fw: Michael Calabrese Congressional Testimony on Spectrum Inventory and Relocation

[Marlon K. Schafer]

FYI,
marlon


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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Michael Calabrese Congressional Testimony on Spectrum Inventory and 
Relocation


 
   
   
  For Immediate Release
  December 16, 2009


  In testimony before the House Subcommittee on Communications, 
Technology and the Internet yesterday, Michael Calabrese, Vice President and 
director of the Foundation's Wireless Future Program, strongly endorsed two 
bipartisan bills that could greatly facilitate the opening of enormous new 
spectrum capacity for wireless broadband and other wireless innovation.  

  Calabrese also urged the Committee to expand H.R. 3125, the 
Radio Spectrum Inventory Act and H.R. 3019, the Spectrum Relocation Improvement 
Act of 2009 in ways that will promote shared access to very underutilized 
frequency bands that will not or cannot be cleared for auction in the 
foreseeable future. 

  Last week Assistant Secretary of Commerce Larry Strickling 
announced that Michael Calabrese has been appointed to the Commerce Spectrum 
Management Advisory Committee, which advises the Administration on a broad 
range of issues regarding spectrum policy and on needed reforms to domestic 
spectrum policies.   

  In his testimony, Calabrese emphasized the following key 
points and proposed improvements to the two proposed bills:


a.. The increasing capability and popularity of smartphones 
and other wireless computing devices will drive an explosion in mobile data 
demand. 

a.. Contrary to conventional wisdom, there is an abundance 
of unused spectrum capacity that can be reallocated band-by-band for exclusive 
or for shared use. 

a.. The spectrum inventory proposed in H.R. 3125 is 
critical to identifying underutilized bands and determining how best to expand 
access and improve spectrum efficiency. 

a.. Actual spectrum use measurements and, ideally, spectrum 
monitoring, would add an important layer of useful data to the inventory; this 
and other NTIA/FCC costs for a robust implementation should be funded from 
unused appropriations for the national broadband mapping data under the 
Broadband Data Improvement Act.

a.. Many federal bands are particularly well-suited for 
increased sharing with private sector uses, but this will require not just 
streamlining the CSEA's Spectrum Relocation Fund process, but also broadening 
eligibility so that agencies have the means to upgrade systems to share 
capacity on a far greater number of bands.

a.. A comprehensive spectrum inventory and CSEA reforms are 
also critical because it is neither practical nor desirable to rely entirely on 
new auctions of exclusively-licensed spectrum to meet the projected future 
demand for mobile data.

a.. Increasing opportunistic access to shared spectrum will 
enable hybrid networks, giving consumers the choice to transmit mobile data 
flows where feasible over unlicensed airwaves and local wired networks, rather 
than transporting most data over scarce licensed spectrum and relatively 
distant carrier infrastructure.


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Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

[Chuck Hogg]

That's what the cost was for ConnectKY, I inquired about being a
partner.  Inquire about being a partner and let us know how much it is.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:46 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

They aren't paying 10k just for the bragging rights to be on that page,
I
can bet you that much.

Bob-


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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

While to you it may not be immediately evident, the partners listed here
paid at least $10k to be a partner.  As such, they are the ones who are
being pushed.  This is the way it was done in KY.  I noticed that
WildBlue and Hughes was not listed for ConnectOhio, maybe that is
because they too saw the scam in ConnectKY.

http://www.connectohio.org/partners/


Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:11 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

So they may have learned and adjusted the way they operate on some
levels.
My experience with the tech side was when they first started contacting
providers in our area.  It was all hard sell for $$$ and no free help.
But
as I said, they must have changed their ways in that respect.  

We also don't hear any mention of WildBlue, DSL or cell providers so
obviously they have indeed learned.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of bcochran
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:48 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

I will have to agree with David Hannum at New Era. about CO?CN operation
people. Chip and Layne
Although our dealing with ConnectOhio, have not been a delight, and we
find
them going from one whim to another robbing the State of Ohio.
There new project RFP by State for broadband expansion seems to be a
great
idea.
Although they have split the wireless venders with Congressman Zach
Space
medical project, that would be just what they set out to do.
ConnectOhio, is vendor savvy, but doesn't push any Wild Blue in our
Counties
nor anyone except Horizon Telephone Company. Which is going with Fed
monies
lay fiber to almost everyone in South Eastern Ohio. Putting Wireless
operators out of business.
So draw your own conclusions about CN
Bob
 

















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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[Cameron Kilton]

We are also excited the Three Ring Binder project is bringing us one
step closer to a connected Maine. We are very excited to here the news
as well.

-Cameron
Midcoast Internet

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Cheney
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

Fate making amends for the -30F windchill last night.

On 12/17/09 2:24 PM, Robert West wrote:
> So how did it get through?  :)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Josh Cheney
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
>
> Speaking as someone from Maine, and who knows a bit about what that
plan
> entails, it is an excellent project.
>
> On 12/17/09 2:10 PM, Robert West wrote:
>> On the outside, that all sounds like reasonable choices and towards
the
>> actual goal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:41 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
>>
>> A $33.5 million grant to the North Georgia Network Cooperative for a
>> fiber-optic ring that will bring high-speed Internet connections to
>> the northern Georgia foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The
>> project will serve an eight-county area with a population of 334,000.
>>
>> A $25.4 million grant to the Biddleford Internet Corp., a partnership
>> between the University of Maine and service providers, to build three
>> fiber-optic rings across rural Maine. The network will pass through
>> more than 100 communities with 110,000 households and will connect 10
>> University of Maine campuses.
>>
>> A combined grant/loan of $2.4 million to the Consolidated Electric
>> Cooperative in north central Ohio to build a 166-mile fiber network
>> that will be used, among other things, to connect 16 electrical
>> substations to support a smart grid project.
>>
>> A 4G wireless network to be built by an Alaska Native Corporation in
>> southwestern Alaska, a fiber-to-the-home project in a remote corner
of
>> New Hampshire and computer centers for 84 libraries in Arizona.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

[Robert West]

They aren't paying 10k just for the bragging rights to be on that page, I
can bet you that much.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

While to you it may not be immediately evident, the partners listed here
paid at least $10k to be a partner.  As such, they are the ones who are
being pushed.  This is the way it was done in KY.  I noticed that
WildBlue and Hughes was not listed for ConnectOhio, maybe that is
because they too saw the scam in ConnectKY.

http://www.connectohio.org/partners/


Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:11 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

So they may have learned and adjusted the way they operate on some
levels.
My experience with the tech side was when they first started contacting
providers in our area.  It was all hard sell for $$$ and no free help.
But
as I said, they must have changed their ways in that respect.  

We also don't hear any mention of WildBlue, DSL or cell providers so
obviously they have indeed learned.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of bcochran
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:48 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

I will have to agree with David Hannum at New Era. about CO?CN operation
people. Chip and Layne
Although our dealing with ConnectOhio, have not been a delight, and we
find
them going from one whim to another robbing the State of Ohio.
There new project RFP by State for broadband expansion seems to be a
great
idea.
Although they have split the wireless venders with Congressman Zach
Space
medical project, that would be just what they set out to do.
ConnectOhio, is vendor savvy, but doesn't push any Wild Blue in our
Counties
nor anyone except Horizon Telephone Company. Which is going with Fed
monies
lay fiber to almost everyone in South Eastern Ohio. Putting Wireless
operators out of business.
So draw your own conclusions about CN
Bob
 

















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ConnectlinkTurnkey Wireless Wide-Area Network Solutions
P. O. Box 128 406 2nd Avenue
Chesapeake, Ohio 45619
Free 1-877-779-5465 ext 303 Local  740-867-5095 ext 303   VOIP
304-521-6809 out going only
Fax 740-867-6359  Email  bcoch...@cloh.com

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*   Point to Point 

*   Hotspot Internet 

*   LAN Extension 

*   Metro-LANs 

*   VoIP Telephone 

*   Collocation 

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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Yeah, that's my recollection too.  We (wispa) almost joined an effort that 
they had going.  In the end we (wispa) decided not to participate.  I think 
Rick would remember more about that than I do.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Bartosch" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation


> Been lots of discussion about this. Without repeating all that discussion, 
> I think the conclusion has been, "bad for us". Telco tool.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> Has anyone determined whether Connected Nation is good or bad for us?
>>
>> My state hired them for the map, but I don't want to respond with any 
>> information if the things I heard in the past are still true.  I don't 
>> remember the points, I just remembered that they were bad news, so to 
>> avoid them.  They sent me an NDA, but I never really read any of that 
>> stuff anyway.  Most any contract is about as effective as a paper bag 
>> holding water.
>>
>>
>> -
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Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

[Marlon K. Schafer]

The range can be quite high.

If he's counting labor maybe, otherwise that seems like a lot.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "MDK" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:08 AM
Subject: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network


> There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite 
> distant
> from me, and he's wanting to get out.
>
> He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he
> quoted me a price for his network.Not "the customers" but just "the
> network" and the customer owns his own cpe.I buy the network and 
> inherit
> his customers - that was the "deal".
>
> It works out to $500 / customer.
>
> For infrastructure, that seems... well... REALLY high to me.
>
> It consists MOSTLY of UBNT stuff and some bandwidth controls, etc, I don't
> really understand.   It's mostly bridged, and has no public IP's, it was
> apparently NAT'd to a cable connection somewhere.
>
> Looking at my rural deployments and the approximate cost- even of the
> solar/wind powered sites...   I'm well under $100/customer for network
> infrastructure outside of the CPE.
>
> Am I the one way different, or is he?   Or, is this wide range 
> normal?
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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[Josh Cheney]

Fate making amends for the -30F windchill last night.

On 12/17/09 2:24 PM, Robert West wrote:
> So how did it get through?  :)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Cheney
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
>
> Speaking as someone from Maine, and who knows a bit about what that plan
> entails, it is an excellent project.
>
> On 12/17/09 2:10 PM, Robert West wrote:
>> On the outside, that all sounds like reasonable choices and towards the
>> actual goal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:41 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
>>
>> A $33.5 million grant to the North Georgia Network Cooperative for a
>> fiber-optic ring that will bring high-speed Internet connections to
>> the northern Georgia foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The
>> project will serve an eight-county area with a population of 334,000.
>>
>> A $25.4 million grant to the Biddleford Internet Corp., a partnership
>> between the University of Maine and service providers, to build three
>> fiber-optic rings across rural Maine. The network will pass through
>> more than 100 communities with 110,000 households and will connect 10
>> University of Maine campuses.
>>
>> A combined grant/loan of $2.4 million to the Consolidated Electric
>> Cooperative in north central Ohio to build a 166-mile fiber network
>> that will be used, among other things, to connect 16 electrical
>> substations to support a smart grid project.
>>
>> A 4G wireless network to be built by an Alaska Native Corporation in
>> southwestern Alaska, a fiber-to-the-home project in a remote corner of
>> New Hampshire and computer centers for 84 libraries in Arizona.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[Robert West]

So how did it get through?  :)



-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

Speaking as someone from Maine, and who knows a bit about what that plan 
entails, it is an excellent project.

On 12/17/09 2:10 PM, Robert West wrote:
> On the outside, that all sounds like reasonable choices and towards the
> actual goal.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:41 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
>
> A $33.5 million grant to the North Georgia Network Cooperative for a
> fiber-optic ring that will bring high-speed Internet connections to
> the northern Georgia foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The
> project will serve an eight-county area with a population of 334,000.
>
> A $25.4 million grant to the Biddleford Internet Corp., a partnership
> between the University of Maine and service providers, to build three
> fiber-optic rings across rural Maine. The network will pass through
> more than 100 communities with 110,000 households and will connect 10
> University of Maine campuses.
>
> A combined grant/loan of $2.4 million to the Consolidated Electric
> Cooperative in north central Ohio to build a 166-mile fiber network
> that will be used, among other things, to connect 16 electrical
> substations to support a smart grid project.
>
> A 4G wireless network to be built by an Alaska Native Corporation in
> southwestern Alaska, a fiber-to-the-home project in a remote corner of
> New Hampshire and computer centers for 84 libraries in Arizona.
>
> -Matt
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

[Chuck Hogg]

While to you it may not be immediately evident, the partners listed here
paid at least $10k to be a partner.  As such, they are the ones who are
being pushed.  This is the way it was done in KY.  I noticed that
WildBlue and Hughes was not listed for ConnectOhio, maybe that is
because they too saw the scam in ConnectKY.

http://www.connectohio.org/partners/


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:11 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

So they may have learned and adjusted the way they operate on some
levels.
My experience with the tech side was when they first started contacting
providers in our area.  It was all hard sell for $$$ and no free help.
But
as I said, they must have changed their ways in that respect.  

We also don't hear any mention of WildBlue, DSL or cell providers so
obviously they have indeed learned.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of bcochran
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:48 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

I will have to agree with David Hannum at New Era. about CO?CN operation
people. Chip and Layne
Although our dealing with ConnectOhio, have not been a delight, and we
find
them going from one whim to another robbing the State of Ohio.
There new project RFP by State for broadband expansion seems to be a
great
idea.
Although they have split the wireless venders with Congressman Zach
Space
medical project, that would be just what they set out to do.
ConnectOhio, is vendor savvy, but doesn't push any Wild Blue in our
Counties
nor anyone except Horizon Telephone Company. Which is going with Fed
monies
lay fiber to almost everyone in South Eastern Ohio. Putting Wireless
operators out of business.
So draw your own conclusions about CN
Bob
 

















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ConnectlinkTurnkey Wireless Wide-Area Network Solutions
P. O. Box 128 406 2nd Avenue
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Free 1-877-779-5465 ext 303 Local  740-867-5095 ext 303   VOIP
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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[Josh Cheney]

Speaking as someone from Maine, and who knows a bit about what that plan 
entails, it is an excellent project.

On 12/17/09 2:10 PM, Robert West wrote:
> On the outside, that all sounds like reasonable choices and towards the
> actual goal.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:41 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
>
> A $33.5 million grant to the North Georgia Network Cooperative for a
> fiber-optic ring that will bring high-speed Internet connections to
> the northern Georgia foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The
> project will serve an eight-county area with a population of 334,000.
>
> A $25.4 million grant to the Biddleford Internet Corp., a partnership
> between the University of Maine and service providers, to build three
> fiber-optic rings across rural Maine. The network will pass through
> more than 100 communities with 110,000 households and will connect 10
> University of Maine campuses.
>
> A combined grant/loan of $2.4 million to the Consolidated Electric
> Cooperative in north central Ohio to build a 166-mile fiber network
> that will be used, among other things, to connect 16 electrical
> substations to support a smart grid project.
>
> A 4G wireless network to be built by an Alaska Native Corporation in
> southwestern Alaska, a fiber-to-the-home project in a remote corner of
> New Hampshire and computer centers for 84 libraries in Arizona.
>
> -Matt
>
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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[Robert West]

On the outside, that all sounds like reasonable choices and towards the
actual goal.  




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

A $33.5 million grant to the North Georgia Network Cooperative for a  
fiber-optic ring that will bring high-speed Internet connections to  
the northern Georgia foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The  
project will serve an eight-county area with a population of 334,000.

A $25.4 million grant to the Biddleford Internet Corp., a partnership  
between the University of Maine and service providers, to build three  
fiber-optic rings across rural Maine. The network will pass through  
more than 100 communities with 110,000 households and will connect 10  
University of Maine campuses.

A combined grant/loan of $2.4 million to the Consolidated Electric  
Cooperative in north central Ohio to build a 166-mile fiber network  
that will be used, among other things, to connect 16 electrical  
substations to support a smart grid project.

A 4G wireless network to be built by an Alaska Native Corporation in  
southwestern Alaska, a fiber-to-the-home project in a remote corner of  
New Hampshire and computer centers for 84 libraries in Arizona.

-Matt




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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Robert West]

I do the same but sadly the "magic reboot" seems to help in most cases.  And
I agree, if it had wireless I'd buy bunches but they still look to be handy
at the price for wired small business networks.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

A 750 is the same price point as a Linksys/Dlink/Netgear router, but lacks
wireless.  If it had wireless many sales would be made.

I don't deal much with the customers' routers.  Mostly it's "reboot it, try
again, ok bye".

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> That's what I was thinking of it for as well.  Inside the customers home
> and
> still can be administered through the network.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> I haven't found a use for the 750 myself.
>
> I have one friend that needed a wired router at home in Kansas and need
> something of quality - 750 was perfect for that.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > Josh,
> >
> > What applications are you using the RB750's for?
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Robert West
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> >
> > Nah, #1 lives in New York and she can stay there.  Long story with that
> > one,
> > but it's all good, I got the kids.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:04 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> >
> > I so hope she reads your email, I can always use a good laugh!
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Robert West
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Cool.  I like easy.
> > >
> > > Explains the existence of my first wife...  so maybe it's not as
> good
> > > thing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:50 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > >
> > > If you need something done on a network level..expect MT can do it.
> > >
> > > My CPE template contains:
> > >
> > > /interface pppoe-client
> > > add ac-name="" add-default-route=yes allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2
> > > comment=\
> > > "" dial-on-demand=no disabled=no interface=wlan1 max-mru=1480
max-mtu=\
> > > 1480 mrru=disabled name=pppoe-out1 profile=default \
> > > service-name="" use-peer-dns=yes
> > >
> > > Then you just change the user= and password= to suit.
> > >
> > > When I helped someone over the phone I just had them click add and
> > specify
> > > the user/password so I'm pretty sure all of those are default values.
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > > --- Albert Einstein
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Robert West
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Good stuff, thanks Josh.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like I should just put RouterOS at the head end of the remote
> > > > networks.  Makes sense to me.  Then run DUDE on them all and we'll
be
> > > good,
> > > > at least that's the way it seems to me.  Then the monitoring and
> > > > administration can be done in one app.  Wanting to go to PPPoE, the
> MT
> > > can
> > > > give me that option within RouterOS itself then, I think.  Correct
me
> > if
> > > > I'm
> > > > whacked here.
> > > >
> > > > Bob-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:33 PM
> > > > To: WISPA General List
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > > >
> > > > There is also l2tp...
> > > >
> > > > http://e

[WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

[Matt Liotta]

A $33.5 million grant to the North Georgia Network Cooperative for a  
fiber-optic ring that will bring high-speed Internet connections to  
the northern Georgia foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The  
project will serve an eight-county area with a population of 334,000.

A $25.4 million grant to the Biddleford Internet Corp., a partnership  
between the University of Maine and service providers, to build three  
fiber-optic rings across rural Maine. The network will pass through  
more than 100 communities with 110,000 households and will connect 10  
University of Maine campuses.

A combined grant/loan of $2.4 million to the Consolidated Electric  
Cooperative in north central Ohio to build a 166-mile fiber network  
that will be used, among other things, to connect 16 electrical  
substations to support a smart grid project.

A 4G wireless network to be built by an Alaska Native Corporation in  
southwestern Alaska, a fiber-to-the-home project in a remote corner of  
New Hampshire and computer centers for 84 libraries in Arizona.

-Matt



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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Josh Luthman]

A 750 is the same price point as a Linksys/Dlink/Netgear router, but lacks
wireless.  If it had wireless many sales would be made.

I don't deal much with the customers' routers.  Mostly it's "reboot it, try
again, ok bye".

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Robert West wrote:

> That's what I was thinking of it for as well.  Inside the customers home
> and
> still can be administered through the network.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> I haven't found a use for the 750 myself.
>
> I have one friend that needed a wired router at home in Kansas and need
> something of quality - 750 was perfect for that.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > Josh,
> >
> > What applications are you using the RB750's for?
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Robert West
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> >
> > Nah, #1 lives in New York and she can stay there.  Long story with that
> > one,
> > but it's all good, I got the kids.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:04 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> >
> > I so hope she reads your email, I can always use a good laugh!
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Robert West
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Cool.  I like easy.
> > >
> > > Explains the existence of my first wife...  so maybe it's not as
> good
> > > thing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:50 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > >
> > > If you need something done on a network level..expect MT can do it.
> > >
> > > My CPE template contains:
> > >
> > > /interface pppoe-client
> > > add ac-name="" add-default-route=yes allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2
> > > comment=\
> > > "" dial-on-demand=no disabled=no interface=wlan1 max-mru=1480 max-mtu=\
> > > 1480 mrru=disabled name=pppoe-out1 profile=default \
> > > service-name="" use-peer-dns=yes
> > >
> > > Then you just change the user= and password= to suit.
> > >
> > > When I helped someone over the phone I just had them click add and
> > specify
> > > the user/password so I'm pretty sure all of those are default values.
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > > --- Albert Einstein
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Robert West
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Good stuff, thanks Josh.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like I should just put RouterOS at the head end of the remote
> > > > networks.  Makes sense to me.  Then run DUDE on them all and we'll be
> > > good,
> > > > at least that's the way it seems to me.  Then the monitoring and
> > > > administration can be done in one app.  Wanting to go to PPPoE, the
> MT
> > > can
> > > > give me that option within RouterOS itself then, I think.  Correct me
> > if
> > > > I'm
> > > > whacked here.
> > > >
> > > > Bob-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:33 PM
> > > > To: WISPA General List
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > > >
> > > > There is also l2tp...
> > > >
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2tp
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > >
> > > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > > > --- Albert Einstein
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Robert West
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Really?  I didn't know that.  

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Robert West]

That's what I was thinking of it for as well.  Inside the customers home and
still can be administered through the network.  

Thanks.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

I haven't found a use for the 750 myself.

I have one friend that needed a wired router at home in Kansas and need
something of quality - 750 was perfect for that.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> Josh,
>
> What applications are you using the RB750's for?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> Nah, #1 lives in New York and she can stay there.  Long story with that
> one,
> but it's all good, I got the kids.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> I so hope she reads your email, I can always use a good laugh!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > Cool.  I like easy.
> >
> > Explains the existence of my first wife...  so maybe it's not as
good
> > thing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:50 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> >
> > If you need something done on a network level..expect MT can do it.
> >
> > My CPE template contains:
> >
> > /interface pppoe-client
> > add ac-name="" add-default-route=yes allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2
> > comment=\
> > "" dial-on-demand=no disabled=no interface=wlan1 max-mru=1480 max-mtu=\
> > 1480 mrru=disabled name=pppoe-out1 profile=default \
> > service-name="" use-peer-dns=yes
> >
> > Then you just change the user= and password= to suit.
> >
> > When I helped someone over the phone I just had them click add and
> specify
> > the user/password so I'm pretty sure all of those are default values.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Robert West
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Good stuff, thanks Josh.
> > >
> > > Sounds like I should just put RouterOS at the head end of the remote
> > > networks.  Makes sense to me.  Then run DUDE on them all and we'll be
> > good,
> > > at least that's the way it seems to me.  Then the monitoring and
> > > administration can be done in one app.  Wanting to go to PPPoE, the MT
> > can
> > > give me that option within RouterOS itself then, I think.  Correct me
> if
> > > I'm
> > > whacked here.
> > >
> > > Bob-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:33 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > >
> > > There is also l2tp...
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2tp
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > > --- Albert Einstein
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Robert West
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Really?  I didn't know that.  You learned me somethin' today, Butch.
> > > >
> > > > That would explain that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Butch Evans
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:53 AM
> > > > To: WISPA General List
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> > > > > Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
> > > >
> > > > EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any
> device
> > > > that is not Mikrotik.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > 
> > > > * Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consu

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Josh Luthman]

I haven't found a use for the 750 myself.

I have one friend that needed a wired router at home in Kansas and need
something of quality - 750 was perfect for that.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Josh,
>
> What applications are you using the RB750's for?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> Nah, #1 lives in New York and she can stay there.  Long story with that
> one,
> but it's all good, I got the kids.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> I so hope she reads your email, I can always use a good laugh!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > Cool.  I like easy.
> >
> > Explains the existence of my first wife...  so maybe it's not as good
> > thing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:50 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> >
> > If you need something done on a network level..expect MT can do it.
> >
> > My CPE template contains:
> >
> > /interface pppoe-client
> > add ac-name="" add-default-route=yes allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2
> > comment=\
> > "" dial-on-demand=no disabled=no interface=wlan1 max-mru=1480 max-mtu=\
> > 1480 mrru=disabled name=pppoe-out1 profile=default \
> > service-name="" use-peer-dns=yes
> >
> > Then you just change the user= and password= to suit.
> >
> > When I helped someone over the phone I just had them click add and
> specify
> > the user/password so I'm pretty sure all of those are default values.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Robert West
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Good stuff, thanks Josh.
> > >
> > > Sounds like I should just put RouterOS at the head end of the remote
> > > networks.  Makes sense to me.  Then run DUDE on them all and we'll be
> > good,
> > > at least that's the way it seems to me.  Then the monitoring and
> > > administration can be done in one app.  Wanting to go to PPPoE, the MT
> > can
> > > give me that option within RouterOS itself then, I think.  Correct me
> if
> > > I'm
> > > whacked here.
> > >
> > > Bob-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:33 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > >
> > > There is also l2tp...
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2tp
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > > --- Albert Einstein
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Robert West
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Really?  I didn't know that.  You learned me somethin' today, Butch.
> > > >
> > > > That would explain that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Butch Evans
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:53 AM
> > > > To: WISPA General List
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> > > > > Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
> > > >
> > > > EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any
> device
> > > > that is not Mikrotik.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > 
> > > > * Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consultation*
> > > > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
> > > > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks   *
> > > > * http://blog.butchevans.com/   * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!  *
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Robert West]

Josh, 

What applications are you using the RB750's for?  



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

Nah, #1 lives in New York and she can stay there.  Long story with that one,
but it's all good, I got the kids.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

I so hope she reads your email, I can always use a good laugh!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> Cool.  I like easy.
>
> Explains the existence of my first wife...  so maybe it's not as good
> thing.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:50 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> If you need something done on a network level..expect MT can do it.
>
> My CPE template contains:
>
> /interface pppoe-client
> add ac-name="" add-default-route=yes allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2
> comment=\
> "" dial-on-demand=no disabled=no interface=wlan1 max-mru=1480 max-mtu=\
> 1480 mrru=disabled name=pppoe-out1 profile=default \
> service-name="" use-peer-dns=yes
>
> Then you just change the user= and password= to suit.
>
> When I helped someone over the phone I just had them click add and specify
> the user/password so I'm pretty sure all of those are default values.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > Good stuff, thanks Josh.
> >
> > Sounds like I should just put RouterOS at the head end of the remote
> > networks.  Makes sense to me.  Then run DUDE on them all and we'll be
> good,
> > at least that's the way it seems to me.  Then the monitoring and
> > administration can be done in one app.  Wanting to go to PPPoE, the MT
> can
> > give me that option within RouterOS itself then, I think.  Correct me if
> > I'm
> > whacked here.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:33 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> >
> > There is also l2tp...
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2tp
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Robert West
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Really?  I didn't know that.  You learned me somethin' today, Butch.
> > >
> > > That would explain that.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Butch Evans
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:53 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> > > > Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
> > >
> > > EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any
device
> > > that is not Mikrotik.
> > >
> > > --
> > > 
> > > * Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consultation*
> > > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
> > > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks   *
> > > * http://blog.butchevans.com/   * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!  *
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

> > > 
> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Robert West]

Nah, #1 lives in New York and she can stay there.  Long story with that one,
but it's all good, I got the kids.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

I so hope she reads your email, I can always use a good laugh!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> Cool.  I like easy.
>
> Explains the existence of my first wife...  so maybe it's not as good
> thing.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:50 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> If you need something done on a network level..expect MT can do it.
>
> My CPE template contains:
>
> /interface pppoe-client
> add ac-name="" add-default-route=yes allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2
> comment=\
> "" dial-on-demand=no disabled=no interface=wlan1 max-mru=1480 max-mtu=\
> 1480 mrru=disabled name=pppoe-out1 profile=default \
> service-name="" use-peer-dns=yes
>
> Then you just change the user= and password= to suit.
>
> When I helped someone over the phone I just had them click add and specify
> the user/password so I'm pretty sure all of those are default values.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > Good stuff, thanks Josh.
> >
> > Sounds like I should just put RouterOS at the head end of the remote
> > networks.  Makes sense to me.  Then run DUDE on them all and we'll be
> good,
> > at least that's the way it seems to me.  Then the monitoring and
> > administration can be done in one app.  Wanting to go to PPPoE, the MT
> can
> > give me that option within RouterOS itself then, I think.  Correct me if
> > I'm
> > whacked here.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:33 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> >
> > There is also l2tp...
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2tp
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Robert West
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Really?  I didn't know that.  You learned me somethin' today, Butch.
> > >
> > > That would explain that.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Butch Evans
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:53 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> > > > Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
> > >
> > > EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any
device
> > > that is not Mikrotik.
> > >
> > > --
> > > 
> > > * Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consultation*
> > > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
> > > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks   *
> > > * http://blog.butchevans.com/   * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!  *
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

> > > 
> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> > > http://signup.wispa.org/
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> >
>
>

> > > 
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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Josh Luthman]

I so hope she reads your email, I can always use a good laugh!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Cool.  I like easy.
>
> Explains the existence of my first wife...  so maybe it's not as good
> thing.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:50 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> If you need something done on a network level..expect MT can do it.
>
> My CPE template contains:
>
> /interface pppoe-client
> add ac-name="" add-default-route=yes allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2
> comment=\
> "" dial-on-demand=no disabled=no interface=wlan1 max-mru=1480 max-mtu=\
> 1480 mrru=disabled name=pppoe-out1 profile=default \
> service-name="" use-peer-dns=yes
>
> Then you just change the user= and password= to suit.
>
> When I helped someone over the phone I just had them click add and specify
> the user/password so I'm pretty sure all of those are default values.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > Good stuff, thanks Josh.
> >
> > Sounds like I should just put RouterOS at the head end of the remote
> > networks.  Makes sense to me.  Then run DUDE on them all and we'll be
> good,
> > at least that's the way it seems to me.  Then the monitoring and
> > administration can be done in one app.  Wanting to go to PPPoE, the MT
> can
> > give me that option within RouterOS itself then, I think.  Correct me if
> > I'm
> > whacked here.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:33 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> >
> > There is also l2tp...
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2tp
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Robert West
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Really?  I didn't know that.  You learned me somethin' today, Butch.
> > >
> > > That would explain that.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Butch Evans
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:53 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> > > > Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
> > >
> > > EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any device
> > > that is not Mikrotik.
> > >
> > > --
> > > 
> > > * Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consultation*
> > > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
> > > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks   *
> > > * http://blog.butchevans.com/   * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!  *
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 
> > > 
> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> > > http://signup.wispa.org/
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> >
> >
>
> 
> > > 
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Robert West]

Cool.  I like easy.

Explains the existence of my first wife...  so maybe it's not as good
thing.




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

If you need something done on a network level..expect MT can do it.

My CPE template contains:

/interface pppoe-client
add ac-name="" add-default-route=yes allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2
comment=\
"" dial-on-demand=no disabled=no interface=wlan1 max-mru=1480 max-mtu=\
1480 mrru=disabled name=pppoe-out1 profile=default \
service-name="" use-peer-dns=yes

Then you just change the user= and password= to suit.

When I helped someone over the phone I just had them click add and specify
the user/password so I'm pretty sure all of those are default values.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> Good stuff, thanks Josh.
>
> Sounds like I should just put RouterOS at the head end of the remote
> networks.  Makes sense to me.  Then run DUDE on them all and we'll be
good,
> at least that's the way it seems to me.  Then the monitoring and
> administration can be done in one app.  Wanting to go to PPPoE, the MT can
> give me that option within RouterOS itself then, I think.  Correct me if
> I'm
> whacked here.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> There is also l2tp...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2tp
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > Really?  I didn't know that.  You learned me somethin' today, Butch.
> >
> > That would explain that.
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> > -Original Message-
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> > Behalf Of Butch Evans
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> > On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> > > Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
> >
> > EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any device
> > that is not Mikrotik.
> >
> > --
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If you need something done on a network level..expect MT can do it.

My CPE template contains:

/interface pppoe-client
add ac-name="" add-default-route=yes allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2
comment=\
"" dial-on-demand=no disabled=no interface=wlan1 max-mru=1480 max-mtu=\
1480 mrru=disabled name=pppoe-out1 profile=default \
service-name="" use-peer-dns=yes

Then you just change the user= and password= to suit.

When I helped someone over the phone I just had them click add and specify
the user/password so I'm pretty sure all of those are default values.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Good stuff, thanks Josh.
>
> Sounds like I should just put RouterOS at the head end of the remote
> networks.  Makes sense to me.  Then run DUDE on them all and we'll be good,
> at least that's the way it seems to me.  Then the monitoring and
> administration can be done in one app.  Wanting to go to PPPoE, the MT can
> give me that option within RouterOS itself then, I think.  Correct me if
> I'm
> whacked here.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> There is also l2tp...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2tp
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > Really?  I didn't know that.  You learned me somethin' today, Butch.
> >
> > That would explain that.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Butch Evans
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:53 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
> >
> > On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> > > Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
> >
> > EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any device
> > that is not Mikrotik.
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> > --
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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Robert West]

Good stuff, thanks Josh.

Sounds like I should just put RouterOS at the head end of the remote
networks.  Makes sense to me.  Then run DUDE on them all and we'll be good,
at least that's the way it seems to me.  Then the monitoring and
administration can be done in one app.  Wanting to go to PPPoE, the MT can
give me that option within RouterOS itself then, I think.  Correct me if I'm
whacked here.

Bob-





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

There is also l2tp...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2tp

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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Robert West
wrote:

> Really?  I didn't know that.  You learned me somethin' today, Butch.
>
> That would explain that.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> > Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
>
> EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any device
> that is not Mikrotik.
>
> --
> 
> * Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consultation*
> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
> * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks   *
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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Josh Luthman]

There is also l2tp...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2tp

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Really?  I didn't know that.  You learned me somethin' today, Butch.
>
> That would explain that.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> > Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
>
> EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any device
> that is not Mikrotik.
>
> --
> 
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> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
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Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

[Robert West]

So they may have learned and adjusted the way they operate on some levels.
My experience with the tech side was when they first started contacting
providers in our area.  It was all hard sell for $$$ and no free help.  But
as I said, they must have changed their ways in that respect.  

We also don't hear any mention of WildBlue, DSL or cell providers so
obviously they have indeed learned.

Bob-


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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:48 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

I will have to agree with David Hannum at New Era. about CO?CN operation
people. Chip and Layne
Although our dealing with ConnectOhio, have not been a delight, and we find
them going from one whim to another robbing the State of Ohio.
There new project RFP by State for broadband expansion seems to be a great
idea.
Although they have split the wireless venders with Congressman Zach Space
medical project, that would be just what they set out to do.
ConnectOhio, is vendor savvy, but doesn't push any Wild Blue in our Counties
nor anyone except Horizon Telephone Company. Which is going with Fed monies
lay fiber to almost everyone in South Eastern Ohio. Putting Wireless
operators out of business.
So draw your own conclusions about CN
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

[Mike]

Not sure about that old snot stuff, but the Mohawk stuff comes off 
pretty easily.  I keep one of those plastic pull up baby wipe things 
in the trailer.  The baby wipes clean it right off the ends when I'm 
prepping for a crimp, and off my hands when done.  I like that 
"lanolin" like stuff much better than the old icky pick.

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At 11:04 AM 12/17/2009, Ryan wrote:
>I was told to use rubbing alcohol by an electrician to get the 
>icky-pick off of hands etc.
>
>
>On 12/17/09 11:12 AM, "Ryan Spott"  wrote:
>
>The icky-pick  or monkey-s*** as my
>telco friends call it... that is on "normal cables" is clear and a PITA to
>get off. I also find that it "runs" into everything when it gets hot.
>
>I moved to Western Washington State to avoid the running of the gel when it
>gets hot.
>
>I also started to use the cable from Mowhawk: 5EXHO4P24-BK-R-MOH-NR   (aka:
>Mohawk "Megalan" Flooded) from my local Graybar distributer and I like it a
>whole-lot-better. The icky-pick in this cable is white and non-sticky. It
>feels like hand lotion. It is easy to remove from hands and clothing.
>
>If you do have to work the clear stuff, do 2 things:
>1. Charge extra. Really the labor involved in that c**p is just not worth
>it.
>2. Buy some of the wipes or spray sold here (or at graybar):
>http://www.polywater.com/hydrasol.html This stuff is awesome... I keep some
>of the pre-moistened individual wipes in the tool-box just in case.
>
>ryan
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>On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Brian Rohrbacher
>wrote:
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> >  Complaints about what is leaking out all over their desk/floor
> >
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> > Butch Evans wrote:
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> > On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Robert West]

Really?  I didn't know that.  You learned me somethin' today, Butch.  

That would explain that.


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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote: 
> Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?

EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any device
that is not Mikrotik.

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[WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

[bcochran]

I will have to agree with David Hannum at New Era. about CO?CN operation
people. Chip and Layne
Although our dealing with ConnectOhio, have not been a delight, and we find
them going from one whim to another robbing the State of Ohio.
There new project RFP by State for broadband expansion seems to be a great
idea.
Although they have split the wireless venders with Congressman Zach Space
medical project, that would be just what they set out to do.
ConnectOhio, is vendor savvy, but doesn't push any Wild Blue in our Counties
nor anyone except Horizon Telephone Company. Which is going with Fed monies
lay fiber to almost everyone in South Eastern Ohio. Putting Wireless
operators out of business.
So draw your own conclusions about CN
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

[Adam Kennedy]

I was told to use rubbing alcohol by an electrician to get the icky-pick off of 
hands etc.


On 12/17/09 11:12 AM, "Ryan Spott"  wrote:

The icky-pick  or monkey-s*** as my
telco friends call it... that is on "normal cables" is clear and a PITA to
get off. I also find that it "runs" into everything when it gets hot.

I moved to Western Washington State to avoid the running of the gel when it
gets hot.

I also started to use the cable from Mowhawk: 5EXHO4P24-BK-R-MOH-NR   (aka:
Mohawk "Megalan" Flooded) from my local Graybar distributer and I like it a
whole-lot-better. The icky-pick in this cable is white and non-sticky. It
feels like hand lotion. It is easy to remove from hands and clothing.

If you do have to work the clear stuff, do 2 things:
1. Charge extra. Really the labor involved in that c**p is just not worth
it.
2. Buy some of the wipes or spray sold here (or at graybar):
http://www.polywater.com/hydrasol.html This stuff is awesome... I keep some
of the pre-moistened individual wipes in the tool-box just in case.

ryan

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Brian Rohrbacher
wrote:

>  Complaints about what is leaking out all over their desk/floor
>
>
> Butch Evans wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>
>  Customer complaints???  About what's inside the cable?!
>
>
>  Lol.  Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable
> when you have a long run.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Butch Evans]

On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote: 
> Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?

EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution.  It won't work with any device
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[Robert West]

I understand that but the way the thing reads, she can go anyplace now, that
sounds like a cell card which she could have had already at the lake.  As
far as class, access to broadband is limited only by cash, for the most
part.  WildBlue is already available as long as you can see sky as well as
probably high speed data from a cell company.  My issue was the beating of
the drum that someone who I assume already had access by virtue of
disposable cash (cottage, vintage cars, etc.) can get her email.  Why hold
someone up like that as an example of what can be accomplished when I'm sure
there are more compelling stories from the have nots?  

Just my thoughts on it.  



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

Bob,

There's not a lot of money in Meigs County Ohio where we are, but where the
folks with money live in our county is where the broadband aint.  The
customers we are picking up are all across the board.  Including the upper
class who are sick of paying for satellite.  Satellite is an option, but
wireless is better.  You can't VPN or remote access (in a usable manner) via
satellite.  So just because somebody can afford a cottage does not mean they
have broadband.  Besides, those are the folks who buy the packages you have
the greatest margin on.  Among our key clients is a doctor, who is also the
county cornorer and the EMS director.  It helps patients and the county that
these folks can now work from home.  The need for broadband transends class.

Dave




On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Robert West
wrote:

> Maybe I'm sensitive or easily put off but the last Newsletter that we
> received from the Connect Ohio division of CN had me "almost" confront the
> CN coordinator at the meeting.  I know that the mission is to provide
> broadband to EVERYONE and that includes those who can already afford
> access,
> (?) but every newsletter I get seems to be pandering to who they are
> getting
> their money from and doesn't have much to do with providing broadband in
> rural areas.  (Many examples of AT&T big shots in photo ops with state and
> local politicians donating PC's to schools and similar activities)
>
> Here is the word for word front page article in their newsletter.  This
> alone caused me to rethink any participation in their "efforts" or lack
of.
>
>
> ( Link is here  http://www.connectohio.org/ )
>
> How broadband changed my life
>
> I am a 48-year-old married mother of four with what you can imagine is a
> very busy life. My husband and I enjoy traveling, collecting and showing
> vintage cars, spending time at our cottage on Lake Erie and sailing. Our
> children range in age from 17 to 22, and we are currently hosting a
> 17-year-old exchange student from Brazil. Broadband has had two major
> influences on my life:
>
> 1. It has allowed me to log on to my work network from anywhere. I can
work
> from home or check e-mails from the cottage. No longer am I tethered to my
> desk at work in order to get work done.
>
> 2. It has allowed me to  further my education. I have recently gone back
to
> school to obtain my master's degree in Management Information Technology.
> With my busy lifestyle, there is no way I could have realized this dream
if
> I had to attend classes at a bricks and mortar school. The speed and
> convenience of broadband allows me to take all of my courses online, from
> anywhere.
>
>
> Uh. Here's my keywords in this.  Vintage cars (plural) Cottage on Lake
> Erie, sailing, exchange student, Masters Degree in Information Technology.
>
> If I had to guess I would say that this person probably already had
> broadband before CN came along in one form or another and from the way it
> reads where she can go anyplace and be online, sounds like a wireless card
> from a cell company.
>
> Where is the relevance in this to what we are trying to accomplish?  Just
> sounded like they were spotlighting someone that the people in charge
could
> identify with instead of the single unemployed mother in rural Appalachia
> who is now able to sell her recipes or quilts or whatever to a world
> market...blah, blah, blah.  A REAL change in someone's life, not just so
> some well to do middle aged educational tech coordinator can check her
> email
> while riding in one of their vintage cars or in the sail boat
>  Shsh.
>
> "Look, look!  We helped your sister and now she can get her email while
> relaxing at the cottage on the lake after a long day of sailing!"
>
> Makes me sick.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>  Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:59 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation
>
> I think once you have been doing it at least 2 years, you will begin to
> have

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

[Ryan Spott]

The icky-pick  or monkey-s*** as my
telco friends call it... that is on "normal cables" is clear and a PITA to
get off. I also find that it "runs" into everything when it gets hot.

I moved to Western Washington State to avoid the running of the gel when it
gets hot.

I also started to use the cable from Mowhawk: 5EXHO4P24-BK-R-MOH-NR   (aka:
Mohawk "Megalan" Flooded) from my local Graybar distributer and I like it a
whole-lot-better. The icky-pick in this cable is white and non-sticky. It
feels like hand lotion. It is easy to remove from hands and clothing.

If you do have to work the clear stuff, do 2 things:
1. Charge extra. Really the labor involved in that c**p is just not worth
it.
2. Buy some of the wipes or spray sold here (or at graybar):
http://www.polywater.com/hydrasol.html This stuff is awesome... I keep some
of the pre-moistened individual wipes in the tool-box just in case.

ryan

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Brian Rohrbacher
wrote:

>  Complaints about what is leaking out all over their desk/floor
>
>
> Butch Evans wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>
>  Customer complaints???  About what's inside the cable?!
>
>
>  Lol.  Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable
> when you have a long run.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[David Hannum]

WildBlue and Hughsnet work for for folks who can't get ANYTHING else and can
AFFORD it.  We're picking thos folks up right and left.  I've had both
before.  Better than dialup - but just barely.  Cost is a killer.  And a
Windows update FAP's you out.

Dave

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> If it wasn't WildBlue or HughesNet, DSL or Cable, it was the Wireless
> from ATT.  We beat out all of those services with the exception of
> Cable, it's 10MB for $50/mo (without TV).
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:13 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation
>
>  Maybe I'm sensitive or easily put off but the last Newsletter that we
> received from the Connect Ohio division of CN had me "almost" confront
> the
> CN coordinator at the meeting.  I know that the mission is to provide
> broadband to EVERYONE and that includes those who can already afford
> access,
> (?) but every newsletter I get seems to be pandering to who they are
> getting
> their money from and doesn't have much to do with providing broadband in
> rural areas.  (Many examples of AT&T big shots in photo ops with state
> and
> local politicians donating PC's to schools and similar activities)
>
> Here is the word for word front page article in their newsletter.  This
> alone caused me to rethink any participation in their "efforts" or lack
> of.
>
>
> ( Link is here  http://www.connectohio.org/ )
>
> How broadband changed my life
>
> I am a 48-year-old married mother of four with what you can imagine is a
> very busy life. My husband and I enjoy traveling, collecting and showing
> vintage cars, spending time at our cottage on Lake Erie and sailing. Our
> children range in age from 17 to 22, and we are currently hosting a
> 17-year-old exchange student from Brazil. Broadband has had two major
> influences on my life:
>
> 1. It has allowed me to log on to my work network from anywhere. I can
> work
> from home or check e-mails from the cottage. No longer am I tethered to
> my
> desk at work in order to get work done.
>
> 2. It has allowed me to  further my education. I have recently gone back
> to
> school to obtain my master's degree in Management Information
> Technology.
> With my busy lifestyle, there is no way I could have realized this dream
> if
> I had to attend classes at a bricks and mortar school. The speed and
> convenience of broadband allows me to take all of my courses online,
> from
> anywhere.
>
>
> Uh. Here's my keywords in this.  Vintage cars (plural) Cottage on
> Lake
> Erie, sailing, exchange student, Masters Degree in Information
> Technology.
>
> If I had to guess I would say that this person probably already had
> broadband before CN came along in one form or another and from the way
> it
> reads where she can go anyplace and be online, sounds like a wireless
> card
> from a cell company.
>
> Where is the relevance in this to what we are trying to accomplish?
> Just
> sounded like they were spotlighting someone that the people in charge
> could
> identify with instead of the single unemployed mother in rural
> Appalachia
> who is now able to sell her recipes or quilts or whatever to a world
> market...blah, blah, blah.  A REAL change in someone's life, not just so
> some well to do middle aged educational tech coordinator can check her
> email
> while riding in one of their vintage cars or in the sail boat
> Shsh.
>
> "Look, look!  We helped your sister and now she can get her email while
> relaxing at the cottage on the lake after a long day of sailing!"
>
> Makes me sick.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>  Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:59 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation
>
> I think once you have been doing it at least 2 years, you will begin to
> have a change of heart.  We were in our infant stage.  We begged for
> help and cooperation on helping us get access to multiple locations.
> They essentially said, "Good luck!".  All they did for us was cheerlead
> across KY about how to bridge the technology gaps.
>
> We had to get almost every independent ISP in KY to let the government
> know how bad they were doing.  They mapped areas of potential for
> cable/dsl co's and pushed WildBlue like it was going out of style.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of David Hannum
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:16 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation
>
> I'm not sure I've eve

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[David Hannum]

Bob,

There's not a lot of money in Meigs County Ohio where we are, but where the
folks with money live in our county is where the broadband aint.  The
customers we are picking up are all across the board.  Including the upper
class who are sick of paying for satellite.  Satellite is an option, but
wireless is better.  You can't VPN or remote access (in a usable manner) via
satellite.  So just because somebody can afford a cottage does not mean they
have broadband.  Besides, those are the folks who buy the packages you have
the greatest margin on.  Among our key clients is a doctor, who is also the
county cornorer and the EMS director.  It helps patients and the county that
these folks can now work from home.  The need for broadband transends class.

Dave




On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Maybe I'm sensitive or easily put off but the last Newsletter that we
> received from the Connect Ohio division of CN had me "almost" confront the
> CN coordinator at the meeting.  I know that the mission is to provide
> broadband to EVERYONE and that includes those who can already afford
> access,
> (?) but every newsletter I get seems to be pandering to who they are
> getting
> their money from and doesn't have much to do with providing broadband in
> rural areas.  (Many examples of AT&T big shots in photo ops with state and
> local politicians donating PC's to schools and similar activities)
>
> Here is the word for word front page article in their newsletter.  This
> alone caused me to rethink any participation in their "efforts" or lack of.
>
>
> ( Link is here  http://www.connectohio.org/ )
>
> How broadband changed my life
>
> I am a 48-year-old married mother of four with what you can imagine is a
> very busy life. My husband and I enjoy traveling, collecting and showing
> vintage cars, spending time at our cottage on Lake Erie and sailing. Our
> children range in age from 17 to 22, and we are currently hosting a
> 17-year-old exchange student from Brazil. Broadband has had two major
> influences on my life:
>
> 1. It has allowed me to log on to my work network from anywhere. I can work
> from home or check e-mails from the cottage. No longer am I tethered to my
> desk at work in order to get work done.
>
> 2. It has allowed me to  further my education. I have recently gone back to
> school to obtain my master's degree in Management Information Technology.
> With my busy lifestyle, there is no way I could have realized this dream if
> I had to attend classes at a bricks and mortar school. The speed and
> convenience of broadband allows me to take all of my courses online, from
> anywhere.
>
>
> Uh. Here's my keywords in this.  Vintage cars (plural) Cottage on Lake
> Erie, sailing, exchange student, Masters Degree in Information Technology.
>
> If I had to guess I would say that this person probably already had
> broadband before CN came along in one form or another and from the way it
> reads where she can go anyplace and be online, sounds like a wireless card
> from a cell company.
>
> Where is the relevance in this to what we are trying to accomplish?  Just
> sounded like they were spotlighting someone that the people in charge could
> identify with instead of the single unemployed mother in rural Appalachia
> who is now able to sell her recipes or quilts or whatever to a world
> market...blah, blah, blah.  A REAL change in someone's life, not just so
> some well to do middle aged educational tech coordinator can check her
> email
> while riding in one of their vintage cars or in the sail boat
>  Shsh.
>
> "Look, look!  We helped your sister and now she can get her email while
> relaxing at the cottage on the lake after a long day of sailing!"
>
> Makes me sick.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>  Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:59 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation
>
> I think once you have been doing it at least 2 years, you will begin to
> have a change of heart.  We were in our infant stage.  We begged for
> help and cooperation on helping us get access to multiple locations.
> They essentially said, "Good luck!".  All they did for us was cheerlead
> across KY about how to bridge the technology gaps.
>
> We had to get almost every independent ISP in KY to let the government
> know how bad they were doing.  They mapped areas of potential for
> cable/dsl co's and pushed WildBlue like it was going out of style.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of David Hannum
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:16 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation
>
> I'm not sure I've ever posted to the list here before.  But I have to
> chime

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[Robert West]

Sure!  And let's see  You are a small business owner located in
KENTUCKY.  You pay taxes in KENTUCKY.  You employee people in KENTUCKY.  

How much of the WildBlue or Hughesnet subscription dollars stay in KENTUCKY?
Or ATT or DSL, Cable...  etc.  

What a flippin' no brainer!  

But it's dollars over brains, in most cases.

Glad you ran them out.  I usually don't know what in the hell I'm talking
about but I can see that one very clearly.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

If it wasn't WildBlue or HughesNet, DSL or Cable, it was the Wireless
from ATT.  We beat out all of those services with the exception of
Cable, it's 10MB for $50/mo (without TV).

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:13 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

Maybe I'm sensitive or easily put off but the last Newsletter that we
received from the Connect Ohio division of CN had me "almost" confront
the
CN coordinator at the meeting.  I know that the mission is to provide
broadband to EVERYONE and that includes those who can already afford
access,
(?) but every newsletter I get seems to be pandering to who they are
getting
their money from and doesn't have much to do with providing broadband in
rural areas.  (Many examples of AT&T big shots in photo ops with state
and
local politicians donating PC's to schools and similar activities)

Here is the word for word front page article in their newsletter.  This
alone caused me to rethink any participation in their "efforts" or lack
of.


( Link is here  http://www.connectohio.org/ )

How broadband changed my life 

I am a 48-year-old married mother of four with what you can imagine is a
very busy life. My husband and I enjoy traveling, collecting and showing
vintage cars, spending time at our cottage on Lake Erie and sailing. Our
children range in age from 17 to 22, and we are currently hosting a
17-year-old exchange student from Brazil. Broadband has had two major
influences on my life:

1. It has allowed me to log on to my work network from anywhere. I can
work
from home or check e-mails from the cottage. No longer am I tethered to
my
desk at work in order to get work done. 

2. It has allowed me to  further my education. I have recently gone back
to
school to obtain my master's degree in Management Information
Technology.
With my busy lifestyle, there is no way I could have realized this dream
if
I had to attend classes at a bricks and mortar school. The speed and
convenience of broadband allows me to take all of my courses online,
from
anywhere.


Uh. Here's my keywords in this.  Vintage cars (plural) Cottage on
Lake
Erie, sailing, exchange student, Masters Degree in Information
Technology.

If I had to guess I would say that this person probably already had
broadband before CN came along in one form or another and from the way
it
reads where she can go anyplace and be online, sounds like a wireless
card
from a cell company.

Where is the relevance in this to what we are trying to accomplish?
Just
sounded like they were spotlighting someone that the people in charge
could
identify with instead of the single unemployed mother in rural
Appalachia
who is now able to sell her recipes or quilts or whatever to a world
market...blah, blah, blah.  A REAL change in someone's life, not just so
some well to do middle aged educational tech coordinator can check her
email
while riding in one of their vintage cars or in the sail boat
Shsh.

"Look, look!  We helped your sister and now she can get her email while
relaxing at the cottage on the lake after a long day of sailing!"

Makes me sick.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

I think once you have been doing it at least 2 years, you will begin to
have a change of heart.  We were in our infant stage.  We begged for
help and cooperation on helping us get access to multiple locations.
They essentially said, "Good luck!".  All they did for us was cheerlead
across KY about how to bridge the technology gaps.

We had to get almost every independent ISP in KY to let the government
know how bad they were doing.  They mapped areas of potential for
cable/dsl co's and pushed WildBlue like it was going out of style.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hann

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[Chuck Hogg]

If it wasn't WildBlue or HughesNet, DSL or Cable, it was the Wireless
from ATT.  We beat out all of those services with the exception of
Cable, it's 10MB for $50/mo (without TV).

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:13 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

Maybe I'm sensitive or easily put off but the last Newsletter that we
received from the Connect Ohio division of CN had me "almost" confront
the
CN coordinator at the meeting.  I know that the mission is to provide
broadband to EVERYONE and that includes those who can already afford
access,
(?) but every newsletter I get seems to be pandering to who they are
getting
their money from and doesn't have much to do with providing broadband in
rural areas.  (Many examples of AT&T big shots in photo ops with state
and
local politicians donating PC's to schools and similar activities)

Here is the word for word front page article in their newsletter.  This
alone caused me to rethink any participation in their "efforts" or lack
of.


( Link is here  http://www.connectohio.org/ )

How broadband changed my life 

I am a 48-year-old married mother of four with what you can imagine is a
very busy life. My husband and I enjoy traveling, collecting and showing
vintage cars, spending time at our cottage on Lake Erie and sailing. Our
children range in age from 17 to 22, and we are currently hosting a
17-year-old exchange student from Brazil. Broadband has had two major
influences on my life:

1. It has allowed me to log on to my work network from anywhere. I can
work
from home or check e-mails from the cottage. No longer am I tethered to
my
desk at work in order to get work done. 

2. It has allowed me to  further my education. I have recently gone back
to
school to obtain my master's degree in Management Information
Technology.
With my busy lifestyle, there is no way I could have realized this dream
if
I had to attend classes at a bricks and mortar school. The speed and
convenience of broadband allows me to take all of my courses online,
from
anywhere.


Uh. Here's my keywords in this.  Vintage cars (plural) Cottage on
Lake
Erie, sailing, exchange student, Masters Degree in Information
Technology.

If I had to guess I would say that this person probably already had
broadband before CN came along in one form or another and from the way
it
reads where she can go anyplace and be online, sounds like a wireless
card
from a cell company.

Where is the relevance in this to what we are trying to accomplish?
Just
sounded like they were spotlighting someone that the people in charge
could
identify with instead of the single unemployed mother in rural
Appalachia
who is now able to sell her recipes or quilts or whatever to a world
market...blah, blah, blah.  A REAL change in someone's life, not just so
some well to do middle aged educational tech coordinator can check her
email
while riding in one of their vintage cars or in the sail boat
Shsh.

"Look, look!  We helped your sister and now she can get her email while
relaxing at the cottage on the lake after a long day of sailing!"

Makes me sick.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

I think once you have been doing it at least 2 years, you will begin to
have a change of heart.  We were in our infant stage.  We begged for
help and cooperation on helping us get access to multiple locations.
They essentially said, "Good luck!".  All they did for us was cheerlead
across KY about how to bridge the technology gaps.

We had to get almost every independent ISP in KY to let the government
know how bad they were doing.  They mapped areas of potential for
cable/dsl co's and pushed WildBlue like it was going out of style.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

I'm not sure I've ever posted to the list here before.  But I have to
chime
in on this.  While New Era Broadband is a fledgling in the WISP arena,
we
owe our existence to Connect Ohio, especially their wireless guys Chip
Spann
and Layne Wagner.  I've read everything everyone has said about CN and
Connect Ohio.  From 100% first hand experience, I disagree with about
90% if
it.  First, CN & Connect Ohio are technology & vendor neutral.  So if
you
are looking for someone that is 100% in the WISP corner, you won't find
it
with them.  That said, if you want WISP help, t

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Robert West]

Exactly!  Then you have not one, but 2 devices that do the same simple
basics and one that does all the simple as well as the advanced.

Sigh.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

UBNT has stated that MT does a lot of those extra features great and if you 
wanted those features, to add a MT router behind the UBNT wireless device.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:55 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

> Yeah, been down that route.  Official answer from UBNT is no EoIP, no VPN,
> etc.  Seems likes an odd thing to be leaving out.  Only logical advice was
> to flash with third party firmware but if that was the only option I'd
> rather just put in a 411ah or 433 MT board.  But then I'd have to turn off
> AirMax to anything talking to it unless I'm direct wired which I guess I
> could do.  Then hopefully the UBNT devices will pass the protocol along 
> with
> the port.?  My guess would be it won't.  The ease of use that
> the UBNT has sure limits things.  Would be nice if they had a "Simple" 
> mode
> for the quick config and install and an "Advanced" mode for a lot of what
> the Mikrotik can do.
>
>
> Bob-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:40 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> AirOS doesn't have the feature AFAIK.  I'd ask in the Ubnt forums for
> the best answer.
>
> On 12/17/09, Robert West  wrote:
>> Yep
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:26 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>>
>> Eoip you mean? :)
>>
>> On 12/17/09, Robert West  wrote:
>>> Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob-
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

[Matt]

> I see my last post was redundant to some comments others already made. But
> to answer your question...
>
> We use Superior Essex for critical infrastrucure. We use Shireen cable
> (allrfcables.com) for all other.

Are you using the Shireen shielded cat-5?  Any problems putting connectors on?

Matt

> Its depended whether you need a .45" dia cable or .18" cable, based on the
> hole size of the radio pass thru.
>
> Note the Mohawk is awesome cable from a durabilty and cost perspective. But,
> we found it was to hard to work with, to put on the CAT5 ends. It required
> use of a dremel to grind off the outer cable.
> The Superior Essex did not have that problem, which is why we migrated to
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[Robert West]

And everyone just LOVES wild blue, except of course the people who actually
have to use it.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

I think once you have been doing it at least 2 years, you will begin to
have a change of heart.  We were in our infant stage.  We begged for
help and cooperation on helping us get access to multiple locations.
They essentially said, "Good luck!".  All they did for us was cheerlead
across KY about how to bridge the technology gaps.

We had to get almost every independent ISP in KY to let the government
know how bad they were doing.  They mapped areas of potential for
cable/dsl co's and pushed WildBlue like it was going out of style.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

I'm not sure I've ever posted to the list here before.  But I have to
chime
in on this.  While New Era Broadband is a fledgling in the WISP arena,
we
owe our existence to Connect Ohio, especially their wireless guys Chip
Spann
and Layne Wagner.  I've read everything everyone has said about CN and
Connect Ohio.  From 100% first hand experience, I disagree with about
90% if
it.  First, CN & Connect Ohio are technology & vendor neutral.  So if
you
are looking for someone that is 100% in the WISP corner, you won't find
it
with them.  That said, if you want WISP help, they will be 100% behind
you.
As for the comment that they are a telco tool . . .  We have not found
that
to be the case in any way, shape or form in our dealing with them.
Note:  I
said in OUR dealings with them.  The maps?  No matter who would make
them,
the are only as good as the info voluntarily submitted by the carriers.
In
our case, Windstream was just stupid in what they claim to cover.  But,
Connect Ohio could only go with what they were given.

The engineering, tech support, help with putting funding proposals
together,
all of this has added up to a great experience for us.  We are a new
company
- just been online since June of this year.  We just put our third
access
point up a couple of weeks ago.  But I have to say, to this point, CN/CO
and
Chip & Layne have been good for us.   Your results may vary.

Kind Regards,
David Hannum
New Era Broadband, LLC
www.newerabroadband.com






On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:35 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Same here. -RickG
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Chuck Hogg 
wrote:
>
>  > Bad for us.  They pushed WildBlue and HughesNet over us because
> > WB/Hughes paid them $10k to be a partner.  They also provided the
> > mapping for Bellsouth/ATT and Insight (cable co) and identified the
> > areas that they should serve.  In my guestimate, it hurt us to the
tune
> > of 50-150 customers.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chuck Hogg
> > Shelby Broadband
> > 502-722-9292
> > ch...@shelbybb.com
> > http://www.shelbybb.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:30 PM
> > To: wireless@wispa.org
> > Subject: [WISPA] Connected Nation
> >
> > Has anyone determined whether Connected Nation is good or bad for
us?
> >
> > My state hired them for the map, but I don't want to respond with
any
> > information if the things I heard in the past are still true.  I
don't
> > remember the points, I just remembered that they were bad news, so
to
> > avoid them.  They sent me an NDA, but I never really read any of
that
> > stuff anyway.  Most any contract is about as effective as a paper
bag
> > holding water.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

[Robert West]

Living with a female has taught me that I must openly admit that I am an
idiot at every opportunity or risk being perceived as thinking that I am
"Mr. Perfect" or thinking that "I am never wrong".  I have been trying to
mend my ways and try to understand that no matter what I do that feels like
an accomplishment, it is, in fact, a failure.  I'm learning.

As the Possum Lodge "Man's Prayer" goes...

"I'm a man and I can change.  If I have to.  I guess."

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

Such revelations can be most helpful in guiding future actions.

however, public admissions of said revelations can be, err...   Well, I'll 
just pretend I never read it and you pretend you never said it...

Hey, anyone read the bit in the news... about the job you should be EVER so 
grateful you do NOT currently hold?

It seems that the "climate conference" in Denmark is open to specific 
organizations, which have to meet specific qualifications.   Best estimates 
say that approximately 35,000 to 40,000 people hold credentials to be 
admitted to the conference.

Some planner reserved a building that only holds about 15,000.There's 
thousands of people who cannot get admission, though they have proper 
credentials.   Many of them are waiting outside for spaces to open up 
inside...  In sub zero (F) weather.

The story goes that in the minor leagues, a young and inexperienced relief 
pitcher was called in on the final inning, and second batter up drove a home

run off the first pitch.In the aftermath of the game,  the young pitcher

discovered a famous pennant winning pitcher for a major league big city team

was in the stands and he asked advice... "How would you have pitched that 
last one?"  he asked.Without hesitation, the famous veteran said "Under 
an assumed name".

That planner should probably have done the same.

:)



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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:15 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

> I'm an idiot.
 





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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Mike Hammett]

UBNT has stated that MT does a lot of those extra features great and if you 
wanted those features, to add a MT router behind the UBNT wireless device.


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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:55 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP

> Yeah, been down that route.  Official answer from UBNT is no EoIP, no VPN,
> etc.  Seems likes an odd thing to be leaving out.  Only logical advice was
> to flash with third party firmware but if that was the only option I'd
> rather just put in a 411ah or 433 MT board.  But then I'd have to turn off
> AirMax to anything talking to it unless I'm direct wired which I guess I
> could do.  Then hopefully the UBNT devices will pass the protocol along 
> with
> the port.?  My guess would be it won't.  The ease of use that
> the UBNT has sure limits things.  Would be nice if they had a "Simple" 
> mode
> for the quick config and install and an "Advanced" mode for a lot of what
> the Mikrotik can do.
>
>
> Bob-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:40 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>
> AirOS doesn't have the feature AFAIK.  I'd ask in the Ubnt forums for
> the best answer.
>
> On 12/17/09, Robert West  wrote:
>> Yep
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:26 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP
>>
>> Eoip you mean? :)
>>
>> On 12/17/09, Robert West  wrote:
>>> Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
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>> --- Albert Einstein
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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

[Andy Trimmell]

Speaking of stimulus
http://www.ajc.com/news/biden-to-announce-fiber-243448.html


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Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:56, Robert West
wrote:

> No, you were right, I was quoting from the Guide, it's just your
response
> reminded me of the guy who worked out 42 as the actual number.
>
> Google calculator comes up with 42, also, if you do a search for the
> meaning
> of life, the universe and everything.  Just in case you missed that
one.
>

Fun fact: there actually is a way to make the Ultimate Question of Life,
The
Universe, and Everything ("what do you get if you multiply six by nine")
to
equal 42. If you do the math in base-13, 6x9 really is 42. Douglas Adams
was
as surprised as anyone by this revelation.

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[Robert West]

Maybe I'm sensitive or easily put off but the last Newsletter that we
received from the Connect Ohio division of CN had me "almost" confront the
CN coordinator at the meeting.  I know that the mission is to provide
broadband to EVERYONE and that includes those who can already afford access,
(?) but every newsletter I get seems to be pandering to who they are getting
their money from and doesn't have much to do with providing broadband in
rural areas.  (Many examples of AT&T big shots in photo ops with state and
local politicians donating PC's to schools and similar activities)

Here is the word for word front page article in their newsletter.  This
alone caused me to rethink any participation in their "efforts" or lack of.


( Link is here  http://www.connectohio.org/ )

How broadband changed my life 

I am a 48-year-old married mother of four with what you can imagine is a
very busy life. My husband and I enjoy traveling, collecting and showing
vintage cars, spending time at our cottage on Lake Erie and sailing. Our
children range in age from 17 to 22, and we are currently hosting a
17-year-old exchange student from Brazil. Broadband has had two major
influences on my life:

1. It has allowed me to log on to my work network from anywhere. I can work
from home or check e-mails from the cottage. No longer am I tethered to my
desk at work in order to get work done. 

2. It has allowed me to  further my education. I have recently gone back to
school to obtain my master's degree in Management Information Technology.
With my busy lifestyle, there is no way I could have realized this dream if
I had to attend classes at a bricks and mortar school. The speed and
convenience of broadband allows me to take all of my courses online, from
anywhere.


Uh. Here's my keywords in this.  Vintage cars (plural) Cottage on Lake
Erie, sailing, exchange student, Masters Degree in Information Technology.

If I had to guess I would say that this person probably already had
broadband before CN came along in one form or another and from the way it
reads where she can go anyplace and be online, sounds like a wireless card
from a cell company.

Where is the relevance in this to what we are trying to accomplish?  Just
sounded like they were spotlighting someone that the people in charge could
identify with instead of the single unemployed mother in rural Appalachia
who is now able to sell her recipes or quilts or whatever to a world
market...blah, blah, blah.  A REAL change in someone's life, not just so
some well to do middle aged educational tech coordinator can check her email
while riding in one of their vintage cars or in the sail boat  Shsh.

"Look, look!  We helped your sister and now she can get her email while
relaxing at the cottage on the lake after a long day of sailing!"

Makes me sick.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

I think once you have been doing it at least 2 years, you will begin to
have a change of heart.  We were in our infant stage.  We begged for
help and cooperation on helping us get access to multiple locations.
They essentially said, "Good luck!".  All they did for us was cheerlead
across KY about how to bridge the technology gaps.

We had to get almost every independent ISP in KY to let the government
know how bad they were doing.  They mapped areas of potential for
cable/dsl co's and pushed WildBlue like it was going out of style.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

I'm not sure I've ever posted to the list here before.  But I have to
chime
in on this.  While New Era Broadband is a fledgling in the WISP arena,
we
owe our existence to Connect Ohio, especially their wireless guys Chip
Spann
and Layne Wagner.  I've read everything everyone has said about CN and
Connect Ohio.  From 100% first hand experience, I disagree with about
90% if
it.  First, CN & Connect Ohio are technology & vendor neutral.  So if
you
are looking for someone that is 100% in the WISP corner, you won't find
it
with them.  That said, if you want WISP help, they will be 100% behind
you.
As for the comment that they are a telco tool . . .  We have not found
that
to be the case in any way, shape or form in our dealing with them.
Note:  I
said in OUR dealings with them.  The maps?  No matter who would make
them,
the are only as good as the info voluntarily submitted by the carriers.
In
our case, Windstream was just stupid in what they claim to cover.  But,
Connect Ohio could only go with what they were given.

The engineering, tech support, help with pu

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

[David E. Smith]

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:56, Robert West wrote:

> No, you were right, I was quoting from the Guide, it's just your response
> reminded me of the guy who worked out 42 as the actual number.
>
> Google calculator comes up with 42, also, if you do a search for the
> meaning
> of life, the universe and everything.  Just in case you missed that one.
>

Fun fact: there actually is a way to make the Ultimate Question of Life, The
Universe, and Everything ("what do you get if you multiply six by nine") to
equal 42. If you do the math in base-13, 6x9 really is 42. Douglas Adams was
as surprised as anyone by this revelation.

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

[Michael Baird]

Rick,

I read something about guys complaining about high rates of failure with 
the connectors on the latest batch 10/22/2009 or something.

Regards
Michael Baird
> Anyone having issues with flaky Bullet2HP units? The last batch I got wont
> connect to my StarOS/WRAP's. Actually, I discovered they do connect but have
> 80+% packet loss. I updated them to 3.5 firmware but no help. Previous
> shipments have worked great. -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

[Chuck Hogg]

I think once you have been doing it at least 2 years, you will begin to
have a change of heart.  We were in our infant stage.  We begged for
help and cooperation on helping us get access to multiple locations.
They essentially said, "Good luck!".  All they did for us was cheerlead
across KY about how to bridge the technology gaps.

We had to get almost every independent ISP in KY to let the government
know how bad they were doing.  They mapped areas of potential for
cable/dsl co's and pushed WildBlue like it was going out of style.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

I'm not sure I've ever posted to the list here before.  But I have to
chime
in on this.  While New Era Broadband is a fledgling in the WISP arena,
we
owe our existence to Connect Ohio, especially their wireless guys Chip
Spann
and Layne Wagner.  I've read everything everyone has said about CN and
Connect Ohio.  From 100% first hand experience, I disagree with about
90% if
it.  First, CN & Connect Ohio are technology & vendor neutral.  So if
you
are looking for someone that is 100% in the WISP corner, you won't find
it
with them.  That said, if you want WISP help, they will be 100% behind
you.
As for the comment that they are a telco tool . . .  We have not found
that
to be the case in any way, shape or form in our dealing with them.
Note:  I
said in OUR dealings with them.  The maps?  No matter who would make
them,
the are only as good as the info voluntarily submitted by the carriers.
In
our case, Windstream was just stupid in what they claim to cover.  But,
Connect Ohio could only go with what they were given.

The engineering, tech support, help with putting funding proposals
together,
all of this has added up to a great experience for us.  We are a new
company
- just been online since June of this year.  We just put our third
access
point up a couple of weeks ago.  But I have to say, to this point, CN/CO
and
Chip & Layne have been good for us.   Your results may vary.

Kind Regards,
David Hannum
New Era Broadband, LLC
www.newerabroadband.com






On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:35 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Same here. -RickG
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Chuck Hogg 
wrote:
>
>  > Bad for us.  They pushed WildBlue and HughesNet over us because
> > WB/Hughes paid them $10k to be a partner.  They also provided the
> > mapping for Bellsouth/ATT and Insight (cable co) and identified the
> > areas that they should serve.  In my guestimate, it hurt us to the
tune
> > of 50-150 customers.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chuck Hogg
> > Shelby Broadband
> > 502-722-9292
> > ch...@shelbybb.com
> > http://www.shelbybb.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:30 PM
> > To: wireless@wispa.org
> > Subject: [WISPA] Connected Nation
> >
> > Has anyone determined whether Connected Nation is good or bad for
us?
> >
> > My state hired them for the map, but I don't want to respond with
any
> > information if the things I heard in the past are still true.  I
don't
> > remember the points, I just remembered that they were bad news, so
to
> > avoid them.  They sent me an NDA, but I never really read any of
that
> > stuff anyway.  Most any contract is about as effective as a paper
bag
> > holding water.
> >
> >
> > -
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

[Mark Stephenson]

Yes, we are seeing problems with Bullet2HPs as well. It seems Ubiquiti is
having quality problems mainly on the RF side. Frustrating and expensive.

Mark


On 12/16/09 11:41 PM, "RickG"  wrote:

> Anyone having issues with flaky Bullet2HP units? The last batch I got wont
> connect to my StarOS/WRAP's. Actually, I discovered they do connect but have
> 80+% packet loss. I updated them to 3.5 firmware but no help. Previous
> shipments have worked great. -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

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Trying to connect remote networks into one. I'll probably end up doing just
that, stick a MT at the head end of the remote network. Would have
additional benefits anyhow, I guess.  No matter how I slice it, Mikrotik
always seems to be involved. :)


 

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How often do you need eoip?  What about just tacking on a 750 when needed?

On 12/17/09, Robert West  wrote:
> Yeah, been down that route.  Official answer from UBNT is no EoIP, no VPN,
> etc.  Seems likes an odd thing to be leaving out.  Only logical advice was
> to flash with third party firmware but if that was the only option I'd
> rather just put in a 411ah or 433 MT board.  But then I'd have to turn off
> AirMax to anything talking to it unless I'm direct wired which I guess I
> could do.  Then hopefully the UBNT devices will pass the protocol along
with
> the port.?  My guess would be it won't.  The ease of use that
> the UBNT has sure limits things.  Would be nice if they had a "Simple"
mode
> for the quick config and install and an "Advanced" mode for a lot of what
> the Mikrotik can do.
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> AirOS doesn't have the feature AFAIK.  I'd ask in the Ubnt forums for
> the best answer.
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> On 12/17/09, Robert West  wrote:
>> Yep
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>> Eoip you mean? :)
>>
>> On 12/17/09, Robert West  wrote:
>>> Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
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Re: [WISPA] EiOP

[Josh Luthman]

How often do you need eoip?  What about just tacking on a 750 when needed?

On 12/17/09, Robert West  wrote:
> Yeah, been down that route.  Official answer from UBNT is no EoIP, no VPN,
> etc.  Seems likes an odd thing to be leaving out.  Only logical advice was
> to flash with third party firmware but if that was the only option I'd
> rather just put in a 411ah or 433 MT board.  But then I'd have to turn off
> AirMax to anything talking to it unless I'm direct wired which I guess I
> could do.  Then hopefully the UBNT devices will pass the protocol along with
> the port.?  My guess would be it won't.  The ease of use that
> the UBNT has sure limits things.  Would be nice if they had a "Simple" mode
> for the quick config and install and an "Advanced" mode for a lot of what
> the Mikrotik can do.
>
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> Bob-
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> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:40 AM
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> AirOS doesn't have the feature AFAIK.  I'd ask in the Ubnt forums for
> the best answer.
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> On 12/17/09, Robert West  wrote:
>> Yep
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
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>> Eoip you mean? :)
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>> On 12/17/09, Robert West  wrote:
>>> Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device?
>>>
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