Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

2010-03-02 Thread Scott Reed
A little stretch of the Super33 helps it conform to irregularities and stick to itself well. Not a lot, just some tension while installing. The rubber tape I use from Tessco says to stretch it to 1/2 its original width. If you do that, it, too, conforms to irregularities and really sticks to

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

2010-03-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
Does't the glue on the Super-33 start to fail with time and you end up with the end of the tape coming loose and flapping in the wind? That's why I like to finish with the rubber tape. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: YES!!! This is how I seal connections, has never

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

2010-03-02 Thread Mark McElvy
I use a small tiewrap around the end to prevent that from happening. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

2010-03-02 Thread Mike
The trick to that is to NOT stretch the last couple wraps on the 33 or 88. Of course all bets are off if it's really cold. I keep a roll in my pants pocket for cold weather wraps. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg

Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum---- butnotforWISP's that's for sure.

2010-03-02 Thread Stuart Pierce
The government caters/renders to money/Caesar , not to people/God. Like Bobs says, innovation and development took place and took wireless faster and farther with the governments so called junk bands. Now they see the dollar signs and only a few, the proud, the super rich will get the

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

2010-03-02 Thread D. Ryan Spott
The rule is to never stretch the last 2 winds of the tape as you put it on... and ALWAYS *CUT* the tape, never rip it. Ripping implies stretching till failure. I can always tell who rips and who cuts on towers by the number of vinyl flags flapping when I climb by other antennas on the

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

2010-03-02 Thread Mike
As Kurt said, always wrap from the bottom up. Think of it like shingling a roof; you wouldn't start at the peak and work down. If you stretch it below where you have the mastic and continue to stretch and wrap, it will hold, as long as you let up for those critical last couple and cut it at the

Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum---- butnotforWISP's that's for sure.

2010-03-02 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Amen to that brother. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:09 AM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

2010-03-02 Thread Robert West
Stay away from the rubber tape they sell at Ace Hardware, though. The ACE brand sucks. If not wrapped with electrical tape it absolutely falls apart after a month or so in the sun. The UV totally kills it. I've had plenty of the Scotch brand self vulcanizing tape unprotected for years and it

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

2010-03-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Right, you def are supposed to cut the tape and not stretch it the last few wraps. However sometimes I do end up stretching it untill it breaks cause I forgot a knife at 150 foot up. I have NEVER seen a flap exceed 1.5 inches when using Super-33. It's like the tape peels back to where it didn't

[WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Marco Coelho
I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036

[WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear

2010-03-02 Thread Robert West
Got an email about the new products over at UBNT.I was looking at the PowerAP, 1000mw indoor router. U I kinda go out of my way to keep from too much RF, I've had 2 friends in the business die from brain cancer and that stuff creeps me out. Any opinions on sleeping next to a 1000mw

Re: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear

2010-03-02 Thread Mike Hammett
I probably just wouldn't put it under my pillow. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Robert West
You can convert pretty much any gas or diesel generator to use propane so you may find a cheaper liquid model then just switch it over to propane. In fact, I used to start an old pull start generator with propane just by holding the unlit propane torch to the air intake. Would start with just a

Re: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear

2010-03-02 Thread Mike
If it's on the night stand, I'd wear an aluminum foil cap fastened to a good ground. 1 watt in the home? That just seems a little excessive to me. Actually, I think a cell phone to your ear, especially in rural areas where the RF has to be stepped up, would be more of a danger. Have you ever

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Mike
I did something similar ONCE to start my generator. I squirted ether into the air intake to get it started. It took a few weeks for my eyebrows to grow back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Robert West
Ha! Ether BAD! I think we've all learned that lesson! The propane is fairly safe, -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Robert West
I bet I haven't used ether since the late 70's. You're bringing back bad memories of me and a chain saw from hell. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:45 AM To: 'WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Alpha power makes some nice small automatic generators that run off propane. They are about the size of one of those pad mount battery boxes that the cable industry uses to back up their outdoor plant. The small ones are vertically oriented and don't take up much ground space. Available in

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Mike
Bob, Are you sure that wasn't N2O? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I bet I haven't used ether

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread jp
We just ordered a GE 7KW from homedepot. #100661779 It comes with automatic transfer for $2239. No idea if it auto exercises; I'll find out soon enough. What's your actual load? For most of my tower sites, deep cycle batteries and tripplite APS are my solution. On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Robert West
Surly you do not mean N2O I have a few stories about N2O. Only one involves the cops. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Robert West
I've thought off an on about using old APC units for backup. I have a small pile of them, batteries bad. People give them to me. Will APC backup units handle connecting a full size deep cycle battery to them? I guess I could try it. Doesn't have to look pretty sitting in a box.. Anyone

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Robert West
Sorry, I mean N02. Sheeesh.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS Surly you do not mean

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread Mike
The deep cycle batteries and an inverter are a good idea. I like the APC units much better than the Tripplites; they have better power supplies. I have replaced a dead internal gel cell with an external deep cycle battery. The only down side is the trickle circuitry is sized for a 7 ah or so

[WISPA] RIP Nortel

2010-03-02 Thread Mike
It was in 2000 we spent 8 million with Nortel to build a new CLEC in SW Florida. In 10 years they went from advertising during the Superbowl to having vultures pick the bones. http://blog.connectedplanetonline.com/unfiltered/2010/02/25/nortels-name-lik ely-dies-with-genband-sale/

Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS

2010-03-02 Thread jp
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:25:37AM -0600, Mike wrote: The deep cycle batteries and an inverter are a good idea. I like the APC units much better than the Tripplites; they have better power supplies. I've had APCs run great for 10 years, others have gotten hot and bulged batteries to the

[WISPA] BIP/BTOP

2010-03-02 Thread ccooper
For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP

2010-03-02 Thread Chuck Bartosch
I don't see anything about that listed on broadbandusa.gov. The only posting for today is the latest winners from round one. Where are you looking? Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended

Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP

2010-03-02 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Odd, it's not in the press releases updates section...but it IS in the FAQ! Thanks Chris! Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris

Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP

2010-03-02 Thread Matt Liotta
Tuesday, March 2, 2010 NTIA and RUS will grant a limited extension of time to file infrastructure applications in the second funding round. Specifically, applicants for BTOP Comprehensive Community Infrastructure projects will have until March 26th to file their applications to NTIA. Applicants

Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED!!!!

2010-03-02 Thread Stuart Pierce
I don't remember the email conversation, but it's very interesting and I'll be looking at upgrading some units evidently to the latest version.with a backup plan. -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP

2010-03-02 Thread Patrick Leary
And the Broadband Strangle Us, er I mean Stimulus, continues. This continued postponement of decisions, awards, etc. is having the opposite effect as intended. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent:

Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP

2010-03-02 Thread Patrick Leary
And the Broadband Strangle Us, er I mean Stimulus, continues. This continued postponement of decisions, awards, etc. is having the opposite effect as intended. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent:

[WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?

2010-03-02 Thread Jason Wallace
Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in

Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?

2010-03-02 Thread Stuart Pierce
I'd tell them to 'Bring It', it's on ! -- Original Message -- From: Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:46:58 -0700 Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site

Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP

2010-03-02 Thread Jack Unger
What's the new date? Chuck Bartosch wrote: Odd, it's not in the press releases updates section...but it IS in the FAQ! Thanks Chris! Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

2010-03-02 Thread Marco Coelho
We prefer: Layer Material 1 coating of liquid scotch coat 2 3M self vulcanizing tape 3 coating of liquid scotch coat 4 3M self vulcanizing tape 5 cheap electrical tape The liquid scotch coat really seals everything up. No issues with pvc, teflon, or other

Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?

2010-03-02 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Wallace wrote: Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program She said she

Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?

2010-03-02 Thread jp
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:46:58AM -0700, Jason Wallace wrote: Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program I'm not aware of

Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP

2010-03-02 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Monday, March 29th for BIP and Friday, March 26th for BTOP (for the infrastructure builds that WISPs would be concerned with). Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Jack Unger wrote: What's the new date? Chuck Bartosch wrote: Odd, it's not in the press releases updates section...but it IS

Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats - who they are!

2010-03-02 Thread MDK
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rosenberg-TX/Broadband-Properties-Magazine/163983686345 http://www.bbpmag.com/ Hope this helps. Mark -- From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List

[WISPA] Fiber Terminations

2010-03-02 Thread Bob Moldashel
OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 termination

[WISPA] Private fiber deployments

2010-03-02 Thread MDK
I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 gear onsite, but the fact that the area is steep, rugged, and heavily

Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations

2010-03-02 Thread Brad Belton
Isn't the trend these days to splice already terminated tails rather than installing connectors? I hear splicing is much faster and touts a less chance of error. At least that's what I learned last time we looked into doing our own fiber terminations... Best, Brad -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations

2010-03-02 Thread Scott Reed
I like these: http://www.afltele.com/resourcecenter/userguides/pdfs/FAST-SC-ST-LC-Connector-Instructions.pdf I think they were about $6.00 each. They are as easy to install as the website claims. Bob Moldashel wrote: OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable

Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments

2010-03-02 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MDK wrote: I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 gear

Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments

2010-03-02 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_plant is a good starting point most likely. - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9

Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?

2010-03-02 Thread Matt
Google each email address separately. There are a few hits that relate. Matt Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program She

Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations

2010-03-02 Thread Patrick Leary
Both are feasible, though technically terminating would result in less loss since a splice adds another point of attenuation, if small. It also depends on the type of splice. Fusion splicing provides the best splice result though a mechanical splice might be faster and avoids the cost of renting a

Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations

2010-03-02 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 2 March 2010 13:28, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and

[WISPA] Airspan Hipermax

2010-03-02 Thread Matt Jenkins
Anyone using this product in 3.65 or 2.3 ghz? Can you provide any results. Thanks, - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments

2010-03-02 Thread jp
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:27:45AM -0800, MDK wrote: I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 gear onsite,

Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations

2010-03-02 Thread Patrick Leary
The ones I used years ago were big pigs and the OTDRs we in huge rolling cases. The last fusion splicer I saw was a little DC model that was about the size of sandwich. It is a measure of my advancing years I suppose. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message-

[WISPA] Mac Dearman

2010-03-02 Thread Walter W Stumpf Jr
Mac, are you still around? Walter/NJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman

2010-03-02 Thread Patrick Leary
Geez, don't use a subject like that. Makes me think that I'm going to read something bad. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Walter W Stumpf Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:27 PM To: wireless@wispa.org

[WISPA] Mac Dearman is...

2010-03-02 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Right...this would be much more fun! Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010

Re: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
No worries since you cant buy them :) -Rick On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Got an email about the new products over at UBNT.    I was looking at the PowerAP, 1000mw indoor router.  U  I kinda go out of my way to keep from too much RF,

Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? - SOLVED!!!!

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
I remember Kurt. I also remember they dont like easy access to the reset switch. Tranzeo units work well but thank goodness for choice! -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Well I don't know if many of you remember this issue but after about a year of

Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED!!!!

2010-03-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I prefer not having easy access to the reset switch. That way a competitor can't come along and swap your customer onto their service and use the CPE that I still own. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED!!!!

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
To each his own but there is a reason every equipment manufacturer I know of has an easy to get to reset switch. As you know, with Tranzeo, you have to break the unit apart which convienently invalidates the warranty. Who owns your CPE, you or the customer? If your competition is using your

Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?

2010-03-02 Thread Brian Webster
There is a certain amount of public data available from the 477 data. One piece of data they do have is a list of all the people who actually filed. Beyond that they don't have much information other than the aggregated reports filed by the FCC. This woman is clearly thinking she has a lot more

[WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Dennis Burgess
Greg, We do have a few engineers still hanging here that can assist you with this, we do charge, but if you need some assistance let us know! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Josh Luthman
What kind of IP config do you have on ether1 and can the 750 ping out? On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Paul Hendry
Can you ping the public address on the 750G from the lan? Can you ping any external public addresses from the 750G? If answer to both is yes, check masq rule on outbound interface and that connection tracking is enabled. -Original Message- From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com]

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Oh yes, don't forget irc://irc.freenode.net/##mikrotik Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:21 PM,

[WISPA] signal too hot!

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the

Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!

2010-03-02 Thread cam
Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. -Cameron I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Scott Reed
Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or

Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!

2010-03-02 Thread Jerry Richardson
No downside. You introduced 25dB of attenuation is all. Smart move actually -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] signal too hot! I

Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
Darn county road is between them and the silo :( On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:47 PM, c...@midcoast.com wrote: Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. -Cameron I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a

Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!

2010-03-02 Thread Josh Luthman
I had a customer like this - I just moved the CPE on the inside. Use that rubber stick to the glass mount. I know the Nanostations can, for your sake I hope the Locos can too, use a window mount (or wall mount) and put it inside the house. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343

[WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread Cliff
My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government they have that clause. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tower

Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
They can, I even tested it but I've never had good luck with indoor installs. It seems they always have weird issues. Maybe new stuff is better? On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I had a customer like this - I just moved the CPE on the inside.  Use

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread Ryan Spott
unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. is your out. This looks pretty good. One of the things we have added to our contracts is legal fees arising from litigation are the

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread Scott Reed
I have copied the paragraph, reversed the words and then it protects both. Haven't done it with a government entity, but contracts really should be to protect both parties. RickG wrote: One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I shoudl? Here is the whole agreement: EASEMENT AGREEMENT 1. PARTIES: , hereinafter referred to as “Grantor”. CITY OF ANYTOWN, hereinafter referred to as “Grantee”.

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Chuck Hogg
Good Call Scott. That's exactly what I was thinking. DHCP will set the IP address and default route. From Winbox IP- Routes Hit the + Button 0.0.0.0/0 for destination Enter the Default Gateway from your provider in the gateway field You will also need a masquerade rule. If ether1 is your

Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!

2010-03-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Well if you added attenuation with the silo and polarity it would be similar to the window or wall adding attenuation. When a friend moved in and I needed to mooch Internet from the office (three 2.4 10mhz sectors) I just put some books on a jpole mount and the ns2 worked quite well. Wouldn't

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
Great tip! So, otherwise you would sign it? I'm runnig it past a lawyer friend but wanted to hammer out any details before he gets involved. Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread Ryan Spott
Well, the lawyer is not gonna like my advice.. How else does he get paid? :) I also like binding arbitration, of course, the one that files suit pays for the arbitration fees. Again, this forces people to 'figure it out' before they start rattling sabers! ryan On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:19 PM,

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread Scott Reed
See inline for some things to question RickG wrote: I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I shoudl? Here is the whole agreement: EASEMENT AGREEMENT 1. PARTIES: , hereinafter referred to as

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread Mike
How about indemnifying each other? If they want the language then the reciprocal should be expected, right? Indemnification. Lessee shall indemnify and hold Lessor harmless from any and all liability, damage, expense (including attorneys' fees and costs), cause of action, suits, claims or

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
Thanks! The Eth1 is configured 201.222.12.54/30 and network of 201.222.12.52 and broadcast of 201.222.12.55. The RB750 couldn't ping out either. I did discover the problem was with routes, but it's more complicated Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of IP config

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
No, I couldn't ping even from the RB750. The problem was with routes. Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Paul Hendry wrote: Can you ping the public address on the 750G from the lan? Can you ping any external public addresses from the 750G? If answer to both is yes, check masq rule on

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread Bob Moldashel
I am sure Blake will agree with me. No two contracts are the same especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with municipalities. If you don't like a clause submit a change request. Their will either entertain it or say no. The other thing that might happen is they just

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread Bob Moldashel
Not true in NY NJ -B- Cliff wrote: My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government they have that clause. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
Wow! Thanks! How about the queues? Is there a way to export the queues? How about the firewall filter rules, nat and mangle? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Josh Luthman
queue export Ip firewall expo Or for just mangle... Ip firewall mangl expo On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Wow! Thanks! How about the queues? Is there a way to export the queues? How about the firewall filter rules, nat and mangle? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
Thanks so much! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: queue export Ip firewall expo Or for just mangle... Ip firewall mangl expo On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Wow! Thanks! How about the queues? Is there a way to export the queues? How about the

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
Great points! For the first time since receiving this document, I sat down at dinner tonight and went through it. I ended up with the same questions and concerns. Thanks! On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: See inline for some things to question RickG

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread RickG
The more I do these, the more I like using a separate corporation for the purpose. Thanks! On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I am sure Blake will agree with me.  No two contracts are the same especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) that won't work in the RB750? Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at

Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

2010-03-02 Thread lakeland
Many cell guys do this when building sites. Each site is its own corporation Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 21:38:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts The more

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Josh Luthman
You can do /export for everything. Obviously you can pick and choose what to save. On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything in the

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Scott Reed
Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in WordPad, save the file and then import it. Greg Ihnen wrote: Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it would be

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