date:20100830

I know. 

I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their
testing was putting them back to back.  Like that, even with the wrong
channel shields they connected.  I was already suspicious about them not
working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the
way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz.  When I got to the other side
and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's
connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's
settings till they came up.  It was awesome to at least link, but it was
not stable enough to keep them up.  I'd say the link was up about 90% of
the time.


This brings me to another question.  Do radios get damage by not having
an antenna connected when powering up?  Say just to configure them.



On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Please do not take this as a personal jab...
>
> If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the 
> equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be 
> successful with the Link ?
>
> And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's 
> product line for such results...
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
>   
>> Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna.  It was not my plan to use
>> them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the
>> NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not.
>>
>> On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
>> 
>>> 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months.
>>>
>>> --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck //* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Mark Dueck 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM
>>>
>>> I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link
>>> with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were
>>> not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput.
>>>
>>> On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>>   
 Distance?

 
>>> - Jerry
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> 
>>> ]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>>>
>>> I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK" >> 
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without
>>> a doubt it
>>> won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.
>>>
>>> Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that
>>> would require
>>> some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way
>>> will it do 100 m
>>> one way, if there's any backward traffic.
>>>
>>> What Proxim stuff?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++
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>>> >
>>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM
>>>
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>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

Please do not take this as a personal jab...

If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the 
equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be 
successful with the Link ?

And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's 
product line for such results...

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
> Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna.  It was not my plan to use
> them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the
> NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not.
>
> On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
>> 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months.
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck //* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Mark Dueck 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM
>>
>> I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link
>> with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were
>> not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput.
>>
>> On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>>
>>> Distance?
>>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> 
>> ]
>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>>
>> I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK" > 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without
>> a doubt it
>> won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.
>>
>> Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that
>> would require
>> some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way
>> will it do 100 m
>> one way, if there's any backward traffic.
>>
>> What Proxim stuff?
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589
>> +...
>>
>> From: "Josh Luthman" > 
>> >
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM
>>
>> To: "WISPA General List" > >
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>> > Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna.  It was not my plan to use
them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the
NS5..  I know don't even remember if they were M's or not.

On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each
way,for months.

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck 
wrote:

From: Mark Dueck 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
To: wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM

  I can tell you not more than 14 miles
because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than
no link, but they were not stable.  I was getting about 512k throughput.

On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

Distance?

  - Jerry

  From:
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @
25 miles.

  I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM,
"MDK" 
wrote:

I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would
require
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do
100 m
one way, if there's any backward traffic.

What Proxim stuff?

++
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541-969-8200 509-386-4589
+...
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM

To: "WISPA
General List" 
Subject: Re:
[WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
> Proxim,
Ubiquiti M...
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

Nope...never to me.  Ubnt and MT have never had that.

Didn't happen to the few Tranzeo radios I used either but they are minimal.

On Aug 31, 2010 12:06 AM, "Mark Dueck"  wrote:

I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming
back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with
AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not
come back after making a change.

Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT?

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

2010-08-30 Thread Jason Bailey

14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months.

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck  wrote:

From: Mark Dueck 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
To: wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM

I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these 
for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable.  I was 
getting about 512k throughput.

On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

Distance?

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK"  wrote:

I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m
one way, if there's any backward traffic.

What Proxim stuff?

++
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+...
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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
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[WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming
back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with
AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not
come back after making a change.

Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT?

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with
these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not
stable.  I was getting about 512k throughput.

On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

  Distance?

  -
Jerry

  From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh
Luthman
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

  I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK" 
wrote:

I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would
require
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do
100 m
one way, if there's any backward traffic.

What Proxim stuff?

++
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+...
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM
To: "WISPA General List"

Subject: Re: [WISPA]
Suggestions for high
bandwidth @ 25 miles.
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

Ubnt, stuff will do about 150meg total (under ideal conditions).. which 
would be about 75x75meg duplex , shy of full 100meg duplex for symmetric 
traffic.



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On 8/30/2010 11:05 PM, RickG wrote:
> UBNT is great for the price but a bit shy of 100Mbps:
>
> Test Results
> RX:   33.08 Mbps
> TX:   33.77 Mbps
> Total:66.85 Mbps
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Josh Luthman
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>
> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK  > wrote:
>  > Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what
> would you
>  > use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full
> duplex 100 M
>  > ethernet connection.
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

Distance?

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.
On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK" 
mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us>> wrote:

I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m
one way, if there's any backward traffic.

What Proxim stuff?

++
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From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM

To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK"  wrote:

I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m
one way, if there's any backward traffic.

What Proxim stuff?

++
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+...
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM

To: "WISPA General List" 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
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> Josh Luthman
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Re: [WISPA] solar power setup

Send me an email offlist at mark (at) neofast dot net and I'll design the whole 
system for you, including what kind of reliability, etc, for your locality.
I'll even find you good prices and the right kind of parts to make it work 
well.  

I know the best places to buy pretty much everything.   I just need to know 
where it's for and may want some intel about your local conditions.   

Thanks


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From: Glenn Kelley 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:35 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] solar power setup


I am looking for a shopping list to build for the following setup: 


I need to create a solar power setup for a remote location


The location will be running two Ubiqutiy 5ghz radios - not much. 


I would like to have enough battery power to last say 4 days w/ the system not 
having any sun - but I could live with 48 hours ... 


Does anyone have a good source for inexpensive (but good) solar panels? 


and perhaps a good shopping list for this project. 


my first time getting into the solar stuff... 


I moved about 8 miles out of town and need to setup a point to point w/ a hop 
in between to the house 
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it 
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require 
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m 
one way, if there's any backward traffic.

What Proxim stuff?


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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
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> Office: 937-552-2340
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> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK  wrote:
>> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would 
>> you
>> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M
>> ethernet connection.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
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>>
>> --
>> From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>>> impedance is not the right one.
>>>
>>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>>
>>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>>> installations?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

UBNT is great for the price but a bit shy of 100Mbps:

Test Results  RX: 33.08 Mbps  TX: 33.77 Mbps  Total: 66.85 Mbps


On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK  wrote:
> > Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would
> you
> > use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M
> > ethernet connection.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ++
> > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> > 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> > ++
> >
> > --
> > From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
> >
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
> >> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
> >> impedance is not the right one.
> >>
> >> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
> >> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
> >> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
> >>
> >> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
> >> installations?
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] solar power setup

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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:

> I am looking for a shopping list to build for the following setup:
>
> I need to create a solar power setup for a remote location
>
> The location will be running two Ubiqutiy 5ghz radios - not much.
>
> I would like to have enough battery power to last say 4 days w/ the system
> not having any sun - but I could live with 48 hours ...
>
> Does anyone have a good source for inexpensive (but good) solar panels?
>
> and perhaps a good shopping list for this project.
>
> my first time getting into the solar stuff...
>
> I moved about 8 miles out of town and need to setup a point to point w/ a
> hop in between to the house
>
> _
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

They're fantastic except I'm getting some radio lock ups. I'm going to add
STP cable with grounding very soon to see if that helps. Strange, my
RocketM5 dishes dont mind the UTP at all.
BTW: I'd install the radio on the mast if possible. Even though the radio
will slide in, they stick in place too well and take 3 hands to get them
out. Oh, and dont forget the 4 degree electronic downtilt. They look a bit
goofy aiming up but in my case, they work better tilted up.
-RickG

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Re: [WISPA] solar power setup

You can hit up Craig's List for panels as long as you don't mind the
"Property of DOT" stamped on them.

 

LOL!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] solar power setup

 

I am looking for a shopping list to build for the following setup:

 

I need to create a solar power setup for a remote location

 

The location will be running two Ubiqutiy 5ghz radios - not much. 

 

I would like to have enough battery power to last say 4 days w/ the system
not having any sun - but I could live with 48 hours ... 

 

Does anyone have a good source for inexpensive (but good) solar panels? 

 

and perhaps a good shopping list for this project. 

 

my first time getting into the solar stuff... 

 

I moved about 8 miles out of town and need to setup a point to point w/ a
hop in between to the house 


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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

And dont forget Lantastic!

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

> arcnet, dude...
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Leon D. Zetekoff" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
>
> >  On 08/30/2010 06:39 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> >> well, just using the usual things for non usual situations.
> >>
> >> I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what
> >> would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I
> >> know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables).
> >>
> >> In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial,
> >> so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's
> >> directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering
> >> that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job.
> >>
> > 
> >
> > to show my age...ethernet started on coax; RG8/u (thick-net) or RG58/u
> > (thin-net). 50 ohm terminators were on both sides. Connections were made
> > with BNC or in the case of RG8 I think it was an AUI connector. BNC T
> > connectors were used on each thin-net card.
> >
> > Also, who remember token-ring? I have a PCMCIA adapter for it. :-)
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

2010-08-30 Thread Philip Dorr

I think we are seeing high uptime (possibly 99.9%), but we have signal
fade in the morning when there is dew (down for a couple of seconds
every 5 minutes for about a half hour).  We are planning to move about
5 miles closer so that we can get better uptime.

The link is WQJT540 (39 06 02.9 N, 094 34 52.3 W) to WQJT544 (38 39
15.0 N, 094 17 54.4 W)

We have a -38.5 dBm RSL and a 36.34 dB SNR.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
> That's a pretty incredible claim. What sort of reliability are you seeing?
> Are you using space diversity and dual links?  Phillip without making me
> sleuth what is the geography? I would be comfortable doing this in the
> desert or from mountaintops, but would worry about ducting and other fading
> most places.
>
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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Philip Dorr
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>
> If you can do it, look at 6Ghz. We have a Dragonwave Horizon Compact
> link going about 34 miles that can push up to 200Mbps full duplex.
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM, MDK  wrote:
>> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
>> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?    Want to do full duplex 100 M
>> ethernet connection.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
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>> --
>> From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>>> impedance is not the right one.
>>>
>>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>>
>>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>>> installations?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>>
>>> Teleinform s.r.l.
>>> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
>>> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
>>> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
>>> Fax: +39-091-6406200
>>>
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[WISPA] solar power setup

I am looking for a shopping list to build for the following setup:

I need to create a solar power setup for a remote location

The location will be running two Ubiqutiy 5ghz radios - not much. 

I would like to have enough battery power to last say 4 days w/ the system not 
having any sun - but I could live with 48 hours ... 

Does anyone have a good source for inexpensive (but good) solar panels? 

and perhaps a good shopping list for this project. 

my first time getting into the solar stuff... 

I moved about 8 miles out of town and need to setup a point to point w/ a hop 
in between to the house 
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Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error

2010-08-30 Thread Gary Garrett

  Heck I get that untrusted error when I go to Network Solutions.
And they issued the certificate!

Trust NO ONE over 30!

OOps, thats ME!

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>OH NO!
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

2010-08-30 Thread Fred Goldstein


At 8/30/2010 08:27 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:

yup   5ghz and trees don't tend to work well together...

5ghz is a pure LOS in most situations - especially w/ UBNT stuff


Why would UBNT stuff be any different from other stuff?  Trees don't 
care about the label on the radio.


I am thinking more and more about those UBNT 900 MHz sectors, 
though.  The challenge is backhaul.  Maybe 2.4 will penetrate a little.


Has anyone played with RadioMobile to tune up its ground cover 
numbers to come closer to reality, in the 900 to 5.8 bands?  I'm 
thinking that at least double the default tree loss would be right 
for the woods, but maybe even that's not enough.



On Aug 30, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Robert West wrote:


Have LOTS of them, both the larger And smaller ones.  Work great at line of
site but they don't have much penetration of obstacles at all.

Bob-



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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

2010-08-30 Thread Mike

I have a big box of new RG8 in the garage.  I would use 900 MHz.  The old
Alvarion radios used transverters at 450 MHz and worked quite well using
coax. 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

Well the fun starts with 2 cables and mimo cards, meaning more than
100Mbits at distances much higher than 100m.

In theory it's 300Mbps halfduplex , but I guess it's more like >100Mbps
full duplex.

Ah, the TX card should shoot at power=0 (tx power in the mikrotik winbox).

Not sure anybody tried it but I guess it could be much fun

Bye

> Actually, I think it's an innovative use.  If you can afford the half
> duplex
> penalty it would be a great way to create a bridge. You could calculate
> the
> loss in 50 ohm coax of any size and length while adjusting the power
> output
> of the radios accordingly.  I'd use 50 ohm cable, but even 75 ohm would
> not
> cause serious mismatch problems.  If you do it, make a report!
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
> OK, now I get what you are after.
>
> 75ohm cable will cause an impedance mismatch resulting is much higher
> losses
> that 50 ohm cable of the same length. You can add a transformer that will
> match 50 Ohm to 75 Ohm cable, here are a couple of examples:
> http://www.ham-radio.com/k6sti/match.htm.
>
> You will not damage the radio though, we are not running high enough power
> to cause enough VSWR to make any real heat.
>
>
>
> - Jerry
>
>
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:40 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
> well, just using the usual things for non usual situations.
>
> I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what
> would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I
> know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables).
>
> In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial,
> so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's
> directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering
> that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job.
>
> Thank you
>
>> I must be missing something. I can't fiure out why you would connect two
> radios together for any reason other than to bench test.
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:04 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>
>> well, why not? :)
>>
>> I don't know if the attenuator would change the impedance story.
>>
>>
>>> Why would you do that?
>>>
>>> for bench testing I could see using a section of Coax with an
>>> attenuator
> inline.
>>>
>>> - Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:51 PM
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>>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>>> impedance is not the right one.
>>>
>>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>>
>>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>>> installations?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

ROFL 

thanks for making my night Mike... 

4 inches 

ROFL 


On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>  Ubiquiti M won't do 100 megs full duplex at 4 inches.  It just can't 
> go that fast.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> 
> 
> 
> On 8/30/2010 8:40 PM, Robert West wrote:
>> Sadly no.  At half that distance, yes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:48 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>> 
>>   Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link.
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/30/2010 6:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK   wrote:
 Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would
>> you
 use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M
 ethernet connection.
 
 
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
 
> Hi all
> 
> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
> impedance is not the right one.
> 
> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
> 
> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in
> daily installations?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> --
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

  Ubiquiti M won't do 100 megs full duplex at 4 inches.  It just can't 
go that fast.

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On 8/30/2010 8:40 PM, Robert West wrote:
> Sadly no.  At half that distance, yes.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:48 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>
>Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/30/2010 6:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK   wrote:
>>> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would
> you
>>> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M
>>> ethernet connection.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
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>>> From: "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>>
 Hi all

 I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
 them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
 impedance is not the right one.

 Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
 same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
 impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card

 Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in
 daily installations?

 Thank you


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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

Sadly no.  At half that distance, yes.



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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

  Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link.

-
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On 8/30/2010 6:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK  wrote:
>> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would
you
>> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M
>> ethernet connection.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>>
>> --
>> From: "Paolo Di Francesco"
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn 
>>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the 
>>> impedance is not the right one.
>>>
>>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the 
>>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what 
>>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>>
>>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in 
>>> daily installations?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>>
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>>> Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

Yes, the Proxim GX series will do 100Mbps FDX.

QB is HDX

 

- Jerry


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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I thought Proxim does this too?

In regards to Ubiquiti you can do 20Mhz channels and two pairs of
radios (you can easily use MT to make it appear to be a layer 2
connection).

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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Jerry Richardson
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> For Full Duplex you are looking at Moto PTP500 or equivalent.
>
> - Jerry
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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of MDK
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:19 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>
> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?    Want to do full duplex 100 M
> ethernet connection.
>
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
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> ++
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> From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>> impedance is not the right one.
>>
>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>
>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>> installations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Slight variations in antenna height, big path loss change

2010-08-30 Thread Jeromie Reeves

I have seen the same, and it goes away (for me) when setting it to
pull the topo data directly from the files instead of memory and
setting the samples to 1000.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 4:05 PM, MDK  wrote:
> I won't claim any great expertise here, but I have seen the same from RM.
> There is some minor thing wrong with the way Fresnel is calculated that
> seems to cause this.
>
> If you leave the link right as it is, but change the overall size of your
> map, you may find that the odd up and down rssi calculation goes away.    It
> has worked for me before.
>
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> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:34 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Slight variations in antenna height, big path loss change
>
>> I'm doing some path loss estimates in RadioMobile.  Mainly 5.8 GHz stuff.
>>
>> I have a place where I'd like to run a point-to-multipoint sector as
>> an injection feed to multiple APs in the mesh.  This would need to
>> run AirMax or Nstreme or NV2 in order to manage the traffic, but that
>> part seems easy enough.  If I don't use NV2 and claim the SkyPilot
>> rule, then my ERP is capped at +36 dBm.  (So I'm kind of marginal on
>> path loss already.)  I can use a 20 dB sector antenna (AM2-60), whose
>> footprint covers all of the APs I'd like to reach, up to 22
>> kilometers away.  The APs are set to have 24 dB panel antennas.  So
>> they can run "point to point" ERP upstream, to the extent that it
>> helps the fade margin in that direction.  BTW the paths are mostly
>> over water, but elevated by more than 2-3 Fresnel zones.
>>
>> Now here's the weird part.  In RadioMobile, when I adjust the PtMP
>> end's height in half-meter increments, path loss jumps all over the
>> place.  To one destination 18.5 km away:
>> At 7 meters, 134.5 dB.  At 7.5 meters, 144.7 dB.  At 8 meters, 139.3
>> dB.  At 8.5 meters, 134.4 dB.  At 10 meters, 137.0 dB.
>>
>> Now to a different destination only 12.5 km away (the closest one), I get:
>> At 7 meters, 137.4 dB.  At 7.5 meters, 150.7 dB.  At 8 meters, 132.2
>> dB.  At 8.5 meters, 131.7 dB.  At 10 meters, 136.5 dB.
>>
>> Well, the obvious answer so far might be to avoid the 7.5 meter
>> height, but now going to a third destination 16.8 kilometers away, I get:
>> At 7 meters, 141.6 dB.  At 7.5 meters, 134.3 dB.  At 8 meters, 136.6
>> dB.  At 8.5 meters, 139.5 dB.  At 10 meters, 151.9 dB.
>>
>> So there's no height that makes everyone happy, and that assumes I
>> actually get a choice of height.  Most likely it goes on the power
>> pole wherever they let us attach it.  And tweaking the remote ends
>> doesn't make that much difference at all.
>>
>> So here's the question.  Is this type of variation likely to exist in
>> the real world, or is this just RadioMobile's propagation model being
>> overly sensitive? Thanks!
>>
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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

2010-08-30 Thread paolo . difrancesco

Well the fun starts with 2 cables and mimo cards, meaning more than
100Mbits at distances much higher than 100m.

In theory it's 300Mbps halfduplex , but I guess it's more like >100Mbps
full duplex.

Ah, the TX card should shoot at power=0 (tx power in the mikrotik winbox).

Not sure anybody tried it but I guess it could be much fun

Bye

> Actually, I think it's an innovative use.  If you can afford the half
> duplex
> penalty it would be a great way to create a bridge. You could calculate
> the
> loss in 50 ohm coax of any size and length while adjusting the power
> output
> of the radios accordingly.  I'd use 50 ohm cable, but even 75 ohm would
> not
> cause serious mismatch problems.  If you do it, make a report!
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:31 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
> OK, now I get what you are after.
>
> 75ohm cable will cause an impedance mismatch resulting is much higher
> losses
> that 50 ohm cable of the same length. You can add a transformer that will
> match 50 Ohm to 75 Ohm cable, here are a couple of examples:
> http://www.ham-radio.com/k6sti/match.htm.
>
> You will not damage the radio though, we are not running high enough power
> to cause enough VSWR to make any real heat.
>
>
>
> - Jerry
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:40 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
> well, just using the usual things for non usual situations.
>
> I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what
> would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I
> know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables).
>
> In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial,
> so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's
> directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering
> that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job.
>
> Thank you
>
>> I must be missing something. I can't fiure out why you would connect two
> radios together for any reason other than to bench test.
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:04 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>
>> well, why not? :)
>>
>> I don't know if the attenuator would change the impedance story.
>>
>>
>>> Why would you do that?
>>>
>>> for bench testing I could see using a section of Coax with an
>>> attenuator
> inline.
>>>
>>> - Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:51 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>>> impedance is not the right one.
>>>
>>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>>
>>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>>> installations?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

2010-08-30 Thread Mike

That's a pretty incredible claim. What sort of reliability are you seeing?
Are you using space diversity and dual links?  Phillip without making me
sleuth what is the geography? I would be comfortable doing this in the
desert or from mountaintops, but would worry about ducting and other fading
most places.
 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

If you can do it, look at 6Ghz. We have a Dragonwave Horizon Compact
link going about 34 miles that can push up to 200Mbps full duplex.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM, MDK  wrote:
> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?    Want to do full duplex 100 M
> ethernet connection.
>
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>> impedance is not the right one.
>>
>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>
>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>> installations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
>> Teleinform s.r.l.
>> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
>> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
>> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
>> Fax: +39-091-6406200
>>
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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

2010-08-30 Thread Mike

Actually, I think it's an innovative use.  If you can afford the half duplex
penalty it would be a great way to create a bridge. You could calculate the
loss in 50 ohm coax of any size and length while adjusting the power output
of the radios accordingly.  I'd use 50 ohm cable, but even 75 ohm would not
cause serious mismatch problems.  If you do it, make a report!

Mike

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

OK, now I get what you are after.

75ohm cable will cause an impedance mismatch resulting is much higher losses
that 50 ohm cable of the same length. You can add a transformer that will
match 50 Ohm to 75 Ohm cable, here are a couple of examples:
http://www.ham-radio.com/k6sti/match.htm.

You will not damage the radio though, we are not running high enough power
to cause enough VSWR to make any real heat.



- Jerry


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

well, just using the usual things for non usual situations.

I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what 
would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I 
know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables).

In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial, 
so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's 
directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering 
that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job.

Thank you

> I must be missing something. I can't fiure out why you would connect two
radios together for any reason other than to bench test.
>
>
> - Jerry
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
> well, why not? :)
>
> I don't know if the attenuator would change the impedance story.
>
>
>> Why would you do that?
>>
>> for bench testing I could see using a section of Coax with an attenuator
inline.
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:51 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>> impedance is not the right one.
>>
>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>
>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>> installations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

2010-08-30 Thread Philip Dorr

If you can do it, look at 6Ghz. We have a Dragonwave Horizon Compact
link going about 34 miles that can push up to 200Mbps full duplex.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM, MDK  wrote:
> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?    Want to do full duplex 100 M
> ethernet connection.
>
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>> impedance is not the right one.
>>
>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>
>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>> installations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
>> Teleinform s.r.l.
>> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
>> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
>> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
>> Fax: +39-091-6406200
>>
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>> http://www.teleinform.com
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

Right, they are all hdx.  That's why you need two :)

On Aug 30, 2010 8:51 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

 Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link.

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

  Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link.

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> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK  wrote:
>> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
>> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M
>> ethernet connection.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>>
>> --
>> From: "Paolo Di Francesco"
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>>> impedance is not the right one.
>>>
>>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>>
>>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>>> installations?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>>
>>> Teleinform s.r.l.
>>> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
>>> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
>>> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
>>> Fax: +39-091-6406200
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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

OK, now I get what you are after.

75ohm cable will cause an impedance mismatch resulting is much higher losses 
that 50 ohm cable of the same length. You can add a transformer that will match 
50 Ohm to 75 Ohm cable, here are a couple of examples: 
http://www.ham-radio.com/k6sti/match.htm.

You will not damage the radio though, we are not running high enough power to 
cause enough VSWR to make any real heat.



- Jerry


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

well, just using the usual things for non usual situations.

I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what 
would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I 
know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables).

In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial, 
so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's 
directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering 
that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job.

Thank you

> I must be missing something. I can't fiure out why you would connect two 
> radios together for any reason other than to bench test.
>
>
> - Jerry
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
> well, why not? :)
>
> I don't know if the attenuator would change the impedance story.
>
>
>> Why would you do that?
>>
>> for bench testing I could see using a section of Coax with an attenuator 
>> inline.
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:51 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>> impedance is not the right one.
>>
>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>
>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>> installations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

Which is why I install "low" and have lots of AP's in order to peek around
the corners.

 

 

 

 

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yup   5ghz and trees don't tend to work well together... 

 

5ghz is a pure LOS in most situations - especially w/ UBNT stuff

 

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Have LOTS of them, both the larger And smaller ones.  Work great at line of
site but they don't have much penetration of obstacles at all.

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Chuck Hogg

I've got 300+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do
have 1500+.

Regards,

Chuck


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> On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, "Blake Covarrubias"  wrote:
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> I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they
> also told me 75mbps was the magic number.
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I thought Proxim does this too?

In regards to Ubiquiti you can do 20Mhz channels and two pairs of
radios (you can easily use MT to make it appear to be a layer 2
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> For Full Duplex you are looking at Moto PTP500 or equivalent.
>
> - Jerry
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> Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
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> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?    Want to do full duplex 100 M
> ethernet connection.
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> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>> impedance is not the right one.
>>
>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>
>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>> installations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

2010-08-30 Thread Chuck Hogg

I know at our rental place here, they rent for nearly the same price... It's
also a pretty good sized wisp.

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> Oh it's a forklift, that's why.  Seems obvious to not use that, but when
> you need to put food on the table...
>
> Absolutely terrible the son and daughter not only have to go through this,
> but live the rest of their lives without their father.  It's tough to even
> think about it.
>
> On Aug 30, 2010 7:32 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>
> That's horrible.  I just sold them a bunch of Trango gear.  While I am in
> no way making an attempt to be negative about this tragedy, why are they
> using a non-man rated piece of equipment with a "makeshift" man basket roped
> to the forklift? (seen here: www.moraminn.com/detail/61845.html)  What's
> even worse, is that they were repairing someone else's tower that fell after
> having a tree fall on one of the guys...not even their own.
>
> According to another WISP they did a "test run" and everything appeared ok.
>  My guess is that the test run was without the man on the lift.  These
> things are not made to go left or right, and are not made to handle a side
> load.  Unfortunately, we all get to learn a lesson from this on what not to
> do.  Thoughts and prayers to the family and the WISP involved.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Michael Baird

 Well, more like 10. The inquiry cost nothing, they will look it up and 
tell you if they see enough traffic from your AS to justify it or not.


Regards
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On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, "Blake Covarrubias" > wrote:


I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe 
they also told me 75mbps was the magic number.


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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

For Full Duplex you are looking at Moto PTP500 or equivalent.

- Jerry


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Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you 
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> Hi all
>
> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
> impedance is not the right one.
>
> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>
> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
> installations?
>
> Thank you
>
>
> -- 
>
>
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>
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> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps

I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps

So - just ask 

Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would 
not believe. 

On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.  
> 
> Regards,
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

A tree or two works fine for me.

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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> yup   5ghz and trees don't tend to work well together...
> 5ghz is a pure LOS in most situations - especially w/ UBNT stuff
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Robert West wrote:
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> Have LOTS of them, both the larger And smaller ones.  Work great at line of
> site but they don't have much penetration of obstacles at all.
>
> Bob-
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Re: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

2010-08-30 Thread Brad Belton

"Now I'm in neutral buoyancy."  lolflash from the past in college NAUI
classeshey it was an easy A, errr...at least a couple easy A's!

This is sad news.  Using the wrong tool for the job and possibly soft ground
conditions caused this.

Best,


Brad


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Sad news but seems like lack of training or not paying attention  to the
load limits caused that.

However, the FOLLOWING News story is EPIC!  Dudes caught stealing gensets!
Oh HELL YES!  

One sad, one glad.  I'm now in neutral buoyancy.



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http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Minnesota_Death

The Isanti County Sheriff's Office said that Mark Robert Anderson, 40, was
assisting in the erection of a tower for Genesis Wireless at 3389 Helium St.

NW in Wyanett Township when the Lull Telehandler - with the boom fully
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

yup   5ghz and trees don't tend to work well together... 

5ghz is a pure LOS in most situations - especially w/ UBNT stuff

On Aug 30, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Have LOTS of them, both the larger And smaller ones.  Work great at line of
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> 
> Bob-
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

they will give it to you with much less than 75mbps 

best just to ask them :-)


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> 
>> On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, "Blake Covarrubias"  wrote:
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>> I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they 
>> also told me 75mbps was the magic number.
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

Tower thieves..  Can we install spring loaded spikes to impale the
offending party and then leave them impaled on the compound fence as a
warning?

The British did it back in the day, it must be okay.



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

Sad news but seems like lack of training or not paying attention  to the
load limits caused that.

However, the FOLLOWING News story is EPIC!  Dudes caught stealing gensets!
Oh HELL YES!  

One sad, one glad.  I'm now in neutral buoyancy.



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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:13 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Minnesota_Death

The Isanti County Sheriff's Office said that Mark Robert Anderson, 40, was
assisting in the erection of a tower for Genesis Wireless at 3389 Helium St.

NW in Wyanett Township when the Lull Telehandler - with the boom fully
extended approximately 40 feet - fell over.



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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Auer

On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, "Blake Covarrubias"  wrote:

I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they
also told me 75mbps was the magic number.

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On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, "Nick Olsen"  wrote:

> No clue, Just going f...




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Re: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

Sad news but seems like lack of training or not paying attention  to the
load limits caused that.

However, the FOLLOWING News story is EPIC!  Dudes caught stealing gensets!
Oh HELL YES!  

One sad, one glad.  I'm now in neutral buoyancy.



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Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:13 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Minnesota_Death

The Isanti County Sheriff's Office said that Mark Robert Anderson, 40, was
assisting in the erection of a tower for Genesis Wireless at 3389 Helium St.

NW in Wyanett Township when the Lull Telehandler - with the boom fully
extended approximately 40 feet - fell over.



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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

Have LOTS of them, both the larger And smaller ones.  Work great at line of
site but they don't have much penetration of obstacles at all.

Bob-



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Re: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

Oh it's a forklift, that's why.  Seems obvious to not use that, but when you
need to put food on the table...

Absolutely terrible the son and daughter not only have to go through this,
but live the rest of their lives without their father.  It's tough to even
think about it.

On Aug 30, 2010 7:32 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

That's horrible.  I just sold them a bunch of Trango gear.  While I am in no
way making an attempt to be negative about this tragedy, why are they using
a non-man rated piece of equipment with a "makeshift" man basket roped to
the forklift? (seen here: www.moraminn.com/detail/61845.html)  What's even
worse, is that they were repairing someone else's tower that fell after
having a tree fall on one of the guys...not even their own.

According to another WISP they did a "test run" and everything appeared ok.
 My guess is that the test run was without the man on the lift.  These
things are not made to go left or right, and are not made to handle a side
load.  Unfortunately, we all get to learn a lesson from this on what not to
do.  Thoughts and prayers to the family and the WISP involved.

Regards,

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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Jerry Richardson 
wrote:
>
> That's ...

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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

2010-08-30 Thread Mark Nash - Lists

arcnet, dude...

- Original Message - 
From: "Leon D. Zetekoff" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable


>  On 08/30/2010 06:39 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> well, just using the usual things for non usual situations.
>>
>> I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what
>> would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I
>> know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables).
>>
>> In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial,
>> so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's
>> directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering
>> that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job.
>>
> 
>
> to show my age...ethernet started on coax; RG8/u (thick-net) or RG58/u
> (thin-net). 50 ohm terminators were on both sides. Connections were made
> with BNC or in the case of RG8 I think it was an AUI connector. BNC T
> connectors were used on each thin-net card.
>
> Also, who remember token-ring? I have a PCMCIA adapter for it. :-)
>
> Leon
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Re: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

2010-08-30 Thread Chuck Hogg

That's horrible.  I just sold them a bunch of Trango gear.  While I am in no
way making an attempt to be negative about this tragedy, why are they using
a non-man rated piece of equipment with a "makeshift" man basket roped to
the forklift? (seen here: www.moraminn.com/detail/61845.html)  What's even
worse, is that they were repairing someone else's tower that fell after
having a tree fall on one of the guys...not even their own.

According to another WISP they did a "test run" and everything appeared ok.
 My guess is that the test run was without the man on the lift.  These
things are not made to go left or right, and are not made to handle a side
load.  Unfortunately, we all get to learn a lesson from this on what not to
do.  Thoughts and prayers to the family and the WISP involved.

Regards,

Chuck Hogg

Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com

http://www.shelbybb.com

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> That's terrible. My thoughts go out to Marks' family.
>
> >From the image it appears the soil may have been moist or soft and a wheel
> sunk. I can't think of many ways to get a bucket lift to tip over.
>
> - Jerry
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Blake Bowers
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:13 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Tower/truck death
>
> http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Minnesota_Death
>
> The Isanti County Sheriff's Office said that Mark Robert Anderson, 40, was
> assisting in the erection of a tower for Genesis Wireless at 3389 Helium
> St.
> NW in Wyanett Township when the Lull Telehandler - with the boom fully
> extended approximately 40 feet - fell over.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

2010-08-30 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff

  On 08/30/2010 06:39 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> well, just using the usual things for non usual situations.
>
> I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what
> would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I
> know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables).
>
> In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial,
> so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's
> directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering
> that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job.
>

to show my age...ethernet started on coax; RG8/u (thick-net) or RG58/u 
(thin-net). 50 ohm terminators were on both sides. Connections were made 
with BNC or in the case of RG8 I think it was an AUI connector. BNC T 
connectors were used on each thin-net card.

Also, who remember token-ring? I have a PCMCIA adapter for it. :-)

Leon

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

Proxim, Ubiquiti M...

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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK  wrote:
> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?    Want to do full duplex 100 M
> ethernet connection.
>
>
>
>
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> From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>> impedance is not the right one.
>>
>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>
>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>> installations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
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[WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you 
use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M 
ethernet connection.




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From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

> Hi all
>
> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
> impedance is not the right one.
>
> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>
> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
> installations?
>
> Thank you
>
>
> -- 
>
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

The H/V patterns DO NOT PERFECTLY OVERLAP.Duhhh.

Had some strange RSSI anomalies I could not understand until I moved the 
antenna.   Actually pointing it farther away resulted in better RSSI. 
There seem to be some mild nulls at or rather near the edges of the beams, 
where the V and H will have up to 5 db difference between them.

For the price, they are really hard to beat, however.

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Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

> Any feedback on these at 5 Ghz would be appreciated
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Re: [WISPA] Slight variations in antenna height, big path loss change

I won't claim any great expertise here, but I have seen the same from RM. 
There is some minor thing wrong with the way Fresnel is calculated that 
seems to cause this.

If you leave the link right as it is, but change the overall size of your 
map, you may find that the odd up and down rssi calculation goes away.It 
has worked for me before.

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Subject: [WISPA] Slight variations in antenna height, big path loss change

> I'm doing some path loss estimates in RadioMobile.  Mainly 5.8 GHz stuff.
>
> I have a place where I'd like to run a point-to-multipoint sector as
> an injection feed to multiple APs in the mesh.  This would need to
> run AirMax or Nstreme or NV2 in order to manage the traffic, but that
> part seems easy enough.  If I don't use NV2 and claim the SkyPilot
> rule, then my ERP is capped at +36 dBm.  (So I'm kind of marginal on
> path loss already.)  I can use a 20 dB sector antenna (AM2-60), whose
> footprint covers all of the APs I'd like to reach, up to 22
> kilometers away.  The APs are set to have 24 dB panel antennas.  So
> they can run "point to point" ERP upstream, to the extent that it
> helps the fade margin in that direction.  BTW the paths are mostly
> over water, but elevated by more than 2-3 Fresnel zones.
>
> Now here's the weird part.  In RadioMobile, when I adjust the PtMP
> end's height in half-meter increments, path loss jumps all over the
> place.  To one destination 18.5 km away:
> At 7 meters, 134.5 dB.  At 7.5 meters, 144.7 dB.  At 8 meters, 139.3
> dB.  At 8.5 meters, 134.4 dB.  At 10 meters, 137.0 dB.
>
> Now to a different destination only 12.5 km away (the closest one), I get:
> At 7 meters, 137.4 dB.  At 7.5 meters, 150.7 dB.  At 8 meters, 132.2
> dB.  At 8.5 meters, 131.7 dB.  At 10 meters, 136.5 dB.
>
> Well, the obvious answer so far might be to avoid the 7.5 meter
> height, but now going to a third destination 16.8 kilometers away, I get:
> At 7 meters, 141.6 dB.  At 7.5 meters, 134.3 dB.  At 8 meters, 136.6
> dB.  At 8.5 meters, 139.5 dB.  At 10 meters, 151.9 dB.
>
> So there's no height that makes everyone happy, and that assumes I
> actually get a choice of height.  Most likely it goes on the power
> pole wherever they let us attach it.  And tweaking the remote ends
> doesn't make that much difference at all.
>
> So here's the question.  Is this type of variation likely to exist in
> the real world, or is this just RadioMobile's propagation model being
> overly sensitive? Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

well, just using the usual things for non usual situations.

I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what 
would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I 
know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables).

In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial, 
so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's 
directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering 
that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job.

Thank you

> I must be missing something. I can't fiure out why you would connect two 
> radios together for any reason other than to bench test.
>
>
> - Jerry
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
> well, why not? :)
>
> I don't know if the attenuator would change the impedance story.
>
>
>> Why would you do that?
>>
>> for bench testing I could see using a section of Coax with an attenuator 
>> inline.
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:51 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>> impedance is not the right one.
>>
>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>
>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>> installations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

2010-08-30 Thread Kristian Hoffmann

We use the UNAT-30+ from Mini-Circuits (usually 3 stacked together) to
test "bad" radios that come back, or for PtPs before we send them out.
It has been helpful for tuning/benchmarking MikroTik wirelsss settings
in a closed environment.

http://www.minicircuits.com/cgi-bin/modelsearch?model=UNAT-30%2B&x=0&y=0

So far we haven't burned anything out.

-Kristian

On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 22:50 +0200, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn 
> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the 
> impedance is not the right one.
> 
> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the 
> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what 
> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
> 
> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily 
> installations?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 




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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

I must be missing something. I can't fiure out why you would connect two radios 
together for any reason other than to bench test.


- Jerry


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

well, why not? :)

I don't know if the attenuator would change the impedance story.


> Why would you do that?
>
> for bench testing I could see using a section of Coax with an attenuator 
> inline.
>
> - Jerry
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:51 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
> Hi all
>
> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
> impedance is not the right one.
>
> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>
> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
> installations?
>
> Thank you
>
>


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[WISPA] WISPA Member's Directory Updated for August

2010-08-30 Thread Rick Harnish

I have updated the WISPA Member  's
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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

> It should all be 50 ohms, but you would need a big attenuator inline.

so, there should not be a impedance problem, right?

a big attenuator...hum...what about a loong cable? ;)

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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

well, why not? :)

I don't know if the attenuator would change the impedance story.


> Why would you do that?
>
> for bench testing I could see using a section of Coax with an attenuator 
> inline.
>
> - Jerry
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:51 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
> Hi all
>
> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
> impedance is not the right one.
>
> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>
> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
> installations?
>
> Thank you
>
>


-- 


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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

2010-08-30 Thread Greg Ihnen

The receiver impedance should match the cable impedance (50 ohms) for best 
receiver performance which the manufacturers are all trying to get.

Also if the cable has enough attenuation to not burn up the receiver at the far 
end then even if there is a mismatch at the receiver on the far end the 
reflected power will be so highly attenuated by the time it arrives back at the 
transmitter it will be inconsequential.

Greg

On Aug 30, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn 
> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the 
> impedance is not the right one.
> 
> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the 
> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what 
> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
> 
> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily 
> installations?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
> 
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> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
> Fax: +39-091-6406200
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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

2010-08-30 Thread Cameron Crum

It should all be 50 ohms, but you would need a big attenuator inline.

Cameron

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Paolo Di Francesco <
paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
> impedance is not the right one.
>
> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>
> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
> installations?
>
> Thank you
>
>
> --
>
>
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
> Teleinform s.r.l.
> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
> Fax: +39-091-6406200
>
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Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

Why would you do that?

for bench testing I could see using a section of Coax with an attenuator inline.

- Jerry


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

Hi all

I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn 
them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the 
impedance is not the right one.

Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the 
same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what 
impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card

Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily 
installations?

Thank you


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[WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

Hi all

I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn 
them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the 
impedance is not the right one.

Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the 
same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what 
impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card

Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily 
installations?

Thank you


-- 


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Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Blake Covarrubias

I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they also 
told me 75mbps was the magic number.

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On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, "Nick Olsen"  wrote:

> No clue, Just going from what I vaguely recall someone saying...
> Like I said, I think I heard it here, Might have been on NANOG.
> 
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (321) 205-1100 x106
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:52 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
> 
> Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via a public 
> peering point?  Some CDN type networks waive or minimize those requirements 
> if you connect via a public exchange.
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> On 8/30/2010 12:34 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is something 
>> like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand customers, Your 
>> most likely quite below that level.
>> Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the worlds 
>> content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big ones (Akamai, 
>> Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break more things then you 
>> can even imagine. If someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit 
>> them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, making 
>> the something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended transit. 
>> However, the bandwidth was almost level across the board, This had me 
>> stumped. Turns out every CDN I could find liked the prepended transit 
>> better. So even though 20% of the internet liked that transit, that 20% 
>> happened to include some of the most bandwidth intensive things around
>> 
>> Nick Olsen
>> Network Operations
>> (321) 205-1100 x106
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Justin Wilson" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>>AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a 
>> good deal of bandwidth to their network. 
>> http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html
>> 
>> Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they 
>> see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your upstream(s) 
>> might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries.
>> 
>> Justin
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>> 
>> From: Kurt Fankhauser 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400
>> To: 'WISPA General List' 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>> Interesting, whats an AS# ?
>>  
>> 
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>> Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of 
>> bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve 
>> much of the Akamai content locally.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>> 
>> 
>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that 
>> are abusing the service.
>>  
>> 
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>> 
>> Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses 
>> a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are 
>> the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots 
>> of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses 
>> Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible 
>> for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai 
>> wholesale would probably be the worst idea.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David Smith
>> 
>> MVN.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>  
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Nick Olsen

No clue, Just going from what I vaguely recall someone saying...
Like I said, I think I heard it here, Might have been on NANOG.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Mike Hammett" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:52 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via
a public peering point?  Some CDN type networks waive or minimize
those requirements if you connect via a public exchange.
- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/30/2010 12:34 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic
number is something like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a
few thousand customers, Your most likely quite below that level.
Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much
of the worlds content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking
any of the big ones (Akamai, Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser
extent)) will break more things then you can even imagine. If
someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit them.

To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is
prepended, making the something like 80% of the internet prefer
the un-prepended transit. However, the bandwidth was almost
level across the board, This had me stumped. Turns out every CDN
I could find liked the prepended transit better. So even though
20% of the internet liked that transit, that 20% happened to
include some of the most bandwidth intensive things around

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



  From:
"Justin Wilson" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM
To: "WISPA General List"

Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

AS # is for BGP advertisements.
Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of
bandwidth to their network.
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi
homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to
their network.  Your upstream(s) might already be
accelerated so you should make some inquiries.

Justin
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From: Kurt
Fankhauser 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Interesting, whats an
AS# ?


Kurt
Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405






  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are
using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your
facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai
content locally.

Regards
Michael Baird

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight
IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service.


Kurt
Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405






  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

Whats
the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and
Hulu.


It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses
Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for
"content delivery" services. These are the same
content-delivery services used by just about everyone that
has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm
pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for
instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20
percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking
Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea.

David Smith

MVN.net





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[WISPA] Slight variations in antenna height, big path loss change

2010-08-30 Thread Fred R. Goldstein

I'm doing some path loss estimates in RadioMobile.  Mainly 5.8 GHz stuff.

I have a place where I'd like to run a point-to-multipoint sector as 
an injection feed to multiple APs in the mesh.  This would need to 
run AirMax or Nstreme or NV2 in order to manage the traffic, but that 
part seems easy enough.  If I don't use NV2 and claim the SkyPilot 
rule, then my ERP is capped at +36 dBm.  (So I'm kind of marginal on 
path loss already.)  I can use a 20 dB sector antenna (AM2-60), whose 
footprint covers all of the APs I'd like to reach, up to 22 
kilometers away.  The APs are set to have 24 dB panel antennas.  So 
they can run "point to point" ERP upstream, to the extent that it 
helps the fade margin in that direction.  BTW the paths are mostly 
over water, but elevated by more than 2-3 Fresnel zones.

Now here's the weird part.  In RadioMobile, when I adjust the PtMP 
end's height in half-meter increments, path loss jumps all over the 
place.  To one destination 18.5 km away:
At 7 meters, 134.5 dB.  At 7.5 meters, 144.7 dB.  At 8 meters, 139.3 
dB.  At 8.5 meters, 134.4 dB.  At 10 meters, 137.0 dB.

Now to a different destination only 12.5 km away (the closest one), I get:
At 7 meters, 137.4 dB.  At 7.5 meters, 150.7 dB.  At 8 meters, 132.2 
dB.  At 8.5 meters, 131.7 dB.  At 10 meters, 136.5 dB.

Well, the obvious answer so far might be to avoid the 7.5 meter 
height, but now going to a third destination 16.8 kilometers away, I get:
At 7 meters, 141.6 dB.  At 7.5 meters, 134.3 dB.  At 8 meters, 136.6 
dB.  At 8.5 meters, 139.5 dB.  At 10 meters, 151.9 dB.

So there's no height that makes everyone happy, and that assumes I 
actually get a choice of height.  Most likely it goes on the power 
pole wherever they let us attach it.  And tweaking the remote ends 
doesn't make that much difference at all.

So here's the question.  Is this type of variation likely to exist in 
the real world, or is this just RadioMobile's propagation model being 
overly sensitive? Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Charging for business setup

 I haven't fully worked this lead yet, but there's 145 units and one 
said they can only get dialup (I'm assuming T1s as well).


Seems like a pretty ripe place for the picking, but I don't want to be 
too out of line for people to request someone else.


It should be fairly easy to wire all 145 units, put in redundant 
wireless feeds.  Sounds like the best course of action is to offer a 
free install for signing a longer term contract.  Otherwise, charge 
$100/unit.


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On 8/30/2010 2:03 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:

It really depends upon the service.

Are they purchasing cable modem / dsl or fiber / t1(+/1) service

The prices quoted by Robert here are true for cable modem stuff & DSL

T1 installs can - depending upon location go over 1K
Fiber can be around $2K from Time Warner depending on location

ALSO -  keep in mind the length of the contract.

a 1 year term vs a 5 year term the install fees on Fiber and/or cable 
modem from Time Warner are very different.


So - best to ask them for right of first refusal on the bid and outbid 
but dont under



Blessings,

On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Robert West wrote:


Time Warner charges for a business install and the amount depends on the
salesperson but I've seen 200 bucks being the average.

ATT doesn't charge for install here but you have to purchase your 
modem from

them and way above the normal cost.



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Subject: [WISPA] Charging for business setup

 Do Comcast, AT&T, etc. charge for setup\install on business lines?  I
got MRCs off their web sites, but not NRCs.

I have an MTU project I'm looking at and want to be competitive, but not
give away the farm.

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Re: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

That's terrible. My thoughts go out to Marks' family.

>From the image it appears the soil may have been moist or soft and a wheel 
>sunk. I can't think of many ways to get a bucket lift to tip over.

- Jerry


-Original Message-
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Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Minnesota_Death

The Isanti County Sheriff's Office said that Mark Robert Anderson, 40, was 
assisting in the erection of a tower for Genesis Wireless at 3389 Helium St. 
NW in Wyanett Township when the Lull Telehandler - with the boom fully 
extended approximately 40 feet - fell over.



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Re: [WISPA] TDWR database doing some good already!

2010-08-30 Thread Jack Unger

Ralph,

Thank you very much for helping to get the word out about the need
to stay clear of TDWR frequencies. Eliminating TDWR interference
certainly benefits everyone.

Your help is really appreciated.

jack

On 8/29/2010 9:33 AM, Ralph Fowler wrote:

I appreciate Jack Unger’s sending out the
TDWR
announcement on the announcement list, a portion of which I
have copied below.
We run a Muni mesh for a city that actually
includes part of
Atlanta airport property. It has a TDWR.
As part of their network, the City
installed some 5.4
links. We don’t maintain or own those links, instead they are
operated by
their Cisco VAR.
I sent the VAR the “What You Can Do”
section
below and they are changing frequency on one of the links as a
result.
I’m not sure where they actually sit- frequency wise but they
are
changing.
I expect that they will also register the
stations.
They are also checking all their other 5.4 links in other
areas.
Additionally, our backhaul partner has also
registered the
link that brings us part of our bandwidth.
Although Atlanta was not one of the problem
areas, I’m
sure any interference would have been very severe.
I hope everyone else also gets proactive on
this. It
might even become the thing that spurs on a volunteer
coordination effort on a
larger scale.
Ralph
N4NEQ
=
What You
Can Do

If you have base stations operating near a major metropolitan
area and especially
if you are located in one of the problem areas, it is
important that you go to
the WISPA/Spectrum Bridge database lookup page http://spectrumbridge.com/udia/search.aspx,
type in the location of your base station(s) and determine if
you are within 35
km (or line-of-sight distance) of a TDWR site. If so, please
make a note of the
TDWR frequency and exclude that frequency from use by your
base stations.
Further, consider registering your base stations in the TDWR
database.
Registration benefits you because when FCC enforcement teams
visit your area to
track down interference sources, they will see that you are
operating lawfully,
clear of the TDWR frequency. They will have no need to pay you
a visit.

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Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error

For a single domain.  It does not include all subdomains.  I think it
is roughly $400 for all subdomains.

IE, $20 for www.google.com and $20 for google.com and another $20 for
mail.google.com

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> a cert is literally only $20 now-adays  just worth spending to get over the
> questions imho
>
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed.
> The certificate is only valid for localhost.localdomain
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
> wrote:
>
> No kidding...
>
> https://vistabeam.com
>
> -Kristian
>
> On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:10 -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>
> OH NO!
>
> https://foxnews.com
>
> Who are we doing to trust now???
>
> :^)
>
> Matt Larsen
>
> mlar...@vistabeam.com
>
>
> On 8/30/2010 10:44 AM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
>
> Yeah.  And don't fear.  The Cyber Security Agency is going to keep the
>
> world safe..
>
> Too Funny
>
> -B-
>
>
>
> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>
> They forgot to redirect to match their cert.
>
> Greg
>
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> Even the computers know
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jason Hensley
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>      Haha - too funny!!
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>
>      Use mozilla firefox and go to:
>
>      https://whitehouse.gov
>
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>
>      No shit Sherlock!
>
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[WISPA] Tower/truck death

2010-08-30 Thread Blake Bowers

http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Minnesota_Death

The Isanti County Sheriff's Office said that Mark Robert Anderson, 40, was 
assisting in the erection of a tower for Genesis Wireless at 3389 Helium St. 
NW in Wyanett Township when the Lull Telehandler - with the boom fully 
extended approximately 40 feet - fell over.



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Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error

a cert is literally only $20 now-adays  just worth spending to get over the 
questions imho 


On Aug 30, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed.
> The certificate is only valid for localhost.localdomain
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  
> wrote:
>> No kidding...
>> 
>> https://vistabeam.com
>> 
>> -Kristian
>> 
>> On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:10 -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>>> OH NO!
>>> 
>>> https://foxnews.com
>>> 
>>> Who are we doing to trust now???
>>> 
>>> :^)
>>> 
>>> Matt Larsen
>>> mlar...@vistabeam.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/30/2010 10:44 AM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
 Yeah.  And don't fear.  The Cyber Security Agency is going to keep the
 world safe..
 
 Too Funny
 
 -B-
 
 
 
 Greg Ihnen wrote:
> They forgot to redirect to match their cert.
> 
> Greg
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> 
>> Even the computers know
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jason Hensley> >  wrote:
>> 
>>  Haha - too funny!!
>> 
>> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>  
>>  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>  ] On
>>  Behalf Of Marco Coelho
>>  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:16 AM
>>  To: WISPA General List
>>  Subject: [WISPA] Funny Website Error
>> 
>>  Monday Funny
>> 
>>  Use mozilla firefox and go to:
>> 
>>  https://whitehouse.gov
>> 
>>  It gives you an Untrusted Error...
>> 
>>  No shit Sherlock!
>> 
>>  Marco
>> 
>> 
>>  --
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Re: [WISPA] Charging for business setup

It really depends upon the service. 

Are they purchasing cable modem / dsl or fiber / t1(+/1) service 

The prices quoted by Robert here are true for cable modem stuff  & DSL 

T1 installs can - depending upon location go over 1K 
Fiber can be around $2K from Time Warner depending on location 

ALSO -  keep in mind the length of the contract. 

a 1 year term vs a 5 year term the install fees on Fiber and/or cable modem 
from Time Warner are very different. 

So - best to ask them for right of first refusal on the bid and outbid but dont 
under 


Blessings, 

On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Time Warner charges for a business install and the amount depends on the
> salesperson but I've seen 200 bucks being the average.
> 
> ATT doesn't charge for install here but you have to purchase your modem from
> them and way above the normal cost.  
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:42 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Charging for business setup
> 
>  Do Comcast, AT&T, etc. charge for setup\install on business lines?  I 
> got MRCs off their web sites, but not NRCs.
> 
> I have an MTU project I'm looking at and want to be competitive, but not 
> give away the farm.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error

2010-08-30 Thread Kristian Hoffmann

Doh!  Okay, I give up.

-Kristian

On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 14:36 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
> The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed.
> The certificate is only valid for localhost.localdomain
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  
> wrote:
> > No kidding...
> >
> > https://vistabeam.com
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:10 -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> >> OH NO!
> >>
> >> https://foxnews.com
> >>
> >> Who are we doing to trust now???
> >>
> >> :^)
> >>
> >> Matt Larsen
> >> mlar...@vistabeam.com
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/30/2010 10:44 AM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
> >> > Yeah.  And don't fear.  The Cyber Security Agency is going to keep the
> >> > world safe..
> >> >
> >> > Too Funny
> >> >
> >> > -B-
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Greg Ihnen wrote:
> >> >> They forgot to redirect to match their cert.
> >> >>
> >> >> Greg
> >> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Even the computers know
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jason Hensley >> >>> >  wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>  Haha - too funny!!
> >> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

 Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via a 
public peering point?  Some CDN type networks waive or minimize those 
requirements if you connect via a public exchange.


-
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On 8/30/2010 12:34 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is 
something like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand 
customers, Your most likely quite below that level.
Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the 
worlds content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big 
ones (Akamai, Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break 
more things then you can even imagine. If someone is abusing your 
service, I would rate limit them.




To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, 
making the something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended 
transit. However, the bandwidth was almost level across the board, 
This had me stumped. Turns out every CDN I could find liked the 
prepended transit better. So even though 20% of the internet liked 
that transit, that 20% happened to include some of the most bandwidth 
intensive things around


Nick Olsen
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*From*: "Justin Wilson" 
*Sent*: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM
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*Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

   AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who 
use a good deal of bandwidth to their network.

http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and 
they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your 
upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some 
inquiries.


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*From: *Kurt Fankhauser 
*Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
*Date: *Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400
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*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Interesting, whats an AS# ?


Kurt Fankhauser
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*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Michael Baird

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any 
amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), 
so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally.


Regards
Michael Baird


Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers 
that are abusing the service.



Kurt Fankhauser
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*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *David E. Smith

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.




It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu 
uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" 
services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just 
about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of 
people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for 
instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of 
all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would 
probably be the worst idea.




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Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error

The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed.
The certificate is only valid for localhost.localdomain

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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:
> No kidding...
>
> https://vistabeam.com
>
> -Kristian
>
> On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:10 -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>> OH NO!
>>
>> https://foxnews.com
>>
>> Who are we doing to trust now???
>>
>> :^)
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> mlar...@vistabeam.com
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/2010 10:44 AM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> > Yeah.  And don't fear.  The Cyber Security Agency is going to keep the
>> > world safe..
>> >
>> > Too Funny
>> >
>> > -B-
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Greg Ihnen wrote:
>> >> They forgot to redirect to match their cert.
>> >>
>> >> Greg
>> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Even the computers know
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jason Hensley> >>> >  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>      Haha - too funny!!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>      -Original Message-
>> >>>      From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> >>>      
>> >>>      [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> >>>      ] On
>> >>>      Behalf Of Marco Coelho
>> >>>      Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:16 AM
>> >>>      To: WISPA General List
>> >>>      Subject: [WISPA] Funny Website Error
>> >>>
>> >>>      Monday Funny
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>> >>>
>> >>>      https://whitehouse.gov
>> >>>
>> >>>      It gives you an Untrusted Error...
>> >>>
>> >>>      No shit Sherlock!
>> >>>
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>> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] FTTH Show

2010-08-30 Thread Francois Menard

I was there last year and you would want to go if you have an interest in 
deploying FTTH.


On 2010-08-30, at 12:39 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

>  Anyone here going to this show?
> 
> http://www.ftthconference.com/FTTH10/public/enter.aspx
> 
> Still deciding whether I should go or not.
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Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error

2010-08-30 Thread Kristian Hoffmann

No kidding...

https://vistabeam.com

-Kristian

On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:10 -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> OH NO!
> 
> https://foxnews.com
> 
> Who are we doing to trust now???
> 
> :^)
> 
> Matt Larsen
> mlar...@vistabeam.com
> 
> 
> On 8/30/2010 10:44 AM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
> > Yeah.  And don't fear.  The Cyber Security Agency is going to keep the
> > world safe..
> >
> > Too Funny
> >
> > -B-
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg Ihnen wrote:
> >> They forgot to redirect to match their cert.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> >>
> >>> Even the computers know
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jason Hensley >>> >  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Haha - too funny!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  -Original Message-
> >>>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>>  
> >>>  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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> >>>  Behalf Of Marco Coelho
> >>>  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:16 AM
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> >>>  Subject: [WISPA] Funny Website Error
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>  It gives you an Untrusted Error...
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error

2010-08-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

  OH NO!

https://foxnews.com

Who are we doing to trust now???

:^)

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mlar...@vistabeam.com


On 8/30/2010 10:44 AM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
> Yeah.  And don't fear.  The Cyber Security Agency is going to keep the
> world safe..
>
> Too Funny
>
> -B-
>
>
>
> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>> They forgot to redirect to match their cert.
>>
>> Greg
>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>>> Even the computers know
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jason Hensley>> >  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Haha - too funny!!
>>>
>>>
>>>  -Original Message-
>>>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>  
>>>  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>  ] On
>>>  Behalf Of Marco Coelho
>>>  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:16 AM
>>>  To: WISPA General List
>>>  Subject: [WISPA] Funny Website Error
>>>
>>>  Monday Funny
>>>
>>>  Use mozilla firefox and go to:
>>>
>>>  https://whitehouse.gov
>>>
>>>  It gives you an Untrusted Error...
>>>
>>>  No shit Sherlock!
>>>
>>>  Marco
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

What kind of feed back are you looking for ?

They work great, they have a couple of specifics, listed in the spec 
sheets that you should be aware off... but no show stoppers.

(they have built-in electrical downtilt, and the antenna sectors are 
speced at 6db, the 90 degree pannels are not 'symmetric' on the two 
planes at the edges.)

Regards.

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Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

2010-08-30 Thread Mark Nash - Lists

You could put 100' of cheap RG58 cable between the radio and the antenna... at 
5800MHz gives you something like 31dB loss...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jason Hensley 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

  Not in this case.  Cables are already run so we're good there.  Thanks though!

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:35 PM
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

  Is there Coax or POTS in the building?

  A couple of Etherther Extenders can take care of difficult cable runs.

  - Jerry

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:30 AM
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  Wall shot is not workable either.  These are old buildings that 2.4 does not 
penetrate at all (and 900 is out of the question) - we've already tried because 
the cable runs are just a real big pain!!

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:24 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

  Then you have to have two, client and ap . if you are only going thru  say 
one wall, how about a single ruckus, the packman one.

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:06 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

  The Nanos have a hard time adjusting power down that far, though.

 -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com 
  On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, RickG wrote: 

  You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. 

  On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley  wrote:

  Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150') with power 
that's able to adjust down to where it doesn't burn up radios.  Has to mount 
outside, and no, there's no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this situation.  
Bandwidth is not that big of a deal - 3-6meg will be more than enough.  Need 
only for VoIP traffic between two buildings.  

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Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

2010-08-30 Thread Jason Hensley

Not in this case.  Cables are already run so we're good there.  Thanks
though!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

 

Is there Coax or POTS in the building?

 

A couple of Etherther Extenders can take care of difficult cable runs.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:30 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

 

Wall shot is not workable either.  These are old buildings that 2.4 does not
penetrate at all (and 900 is out of the question) - we've already tried
because the cable runs are just a real big pain!!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:24 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

 

Then you have to have two, client and ap . if you are only going thru  say
one wall, how about a single ruckus, the packman one.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

 

The Nanos have a hard time adjusting power down that far, though.

 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, RickG wrote: 

You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley 
wrote:

Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150') with
power that's able to adjust down to where it doesn't burn up radios.  Has to
mount outside, and no, there's no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this
situation.  Bandwidth is not that big of a deal - 3-6meg will be more than
enough.  Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings.  

 

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Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

You could do thru the window if possible ?

Or.. use the UBNT Loco's... and turn the power down all the way down.
(Loco or LocoM and your favorite frequency )

plus if the signal is too hot, then you can tilt them to face the ground...

Regards.

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On 8/30/2010 1:29 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> Wall shot is not workable either.  These are old buildings that 2.4 does
> not penetrate at all (and 900 is out of the question) – we’ve already
> tried because the cable runs are just a real big pain!!
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Chuck Profito
> *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:24 PM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation
>
> Then you have to have two, client and ap . if you are only going thru
> say one wall, how about a single ruckus, the packman one.
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 10:06 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation
>
> The Nanos have a hard time adjusting power down that far, though.
>
>
>
> -
>
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>
> On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, RickG wrote:
>
> You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2.
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley  > wrote:
>
> Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150’) with
> power that’s able to adjust down to where it doesn’t burn up radios. Has
> to mount outside, and no, there’s no way to run Ethernet or fiber in
> this situation. Bandwidth is not that big of a deal – 3-6meg will be
> more than enough. Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings.
>
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[WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

2010-08-30 Thread Bob Moldashel

Any feedback on these at 5 Ghz would be appreciated



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Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

2010-08-30 Thread Chuck Profito

2 Picos then

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:30 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

Wall shot is not workable either.  These are old buildings that 2.4 does not
penetrate at all (and 900 is out of the question) - we've already tried
because the cable runs are just a real big pain!!

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:24 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

Then you have to have two, client and ap . if you are only going thru  say
one wall, how about a single ruckus, the packman one.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

The Nanos have a hard time adjusting power down that far, though.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, RickG wrote: 

You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley 
wrote:

Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150') with
power that's able to adjust down to where it doesn't burn up radios.  Has to
mount outside, and no, there's no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this
situation.  Bandwidth is not that big of a deal - 3-6meg will be more than
enough.  Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings.  

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Nick Olsen

Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is something 
like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand customers, Your most 
likely quite below that level.
Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the worlds 
content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big ones (Akamai, 
Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break more things then you 
can even imagine. If someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit them.

To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, making the 
something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended transit. However, 
the bandwidth was almost level across the board, This had me stumped. Turns out 
every CDN I could find liked the prepended transit better. So even though 20% 
of the internet liked that transit, that 20% happened to include some of the 
most bandwidth intensive things around

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From: "Justin Wilson" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a 
good deal of bandwidth to their network.
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see 
if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your upstream(s) might 
already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries.

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From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Interesting, whats an AS# ?


Kurt Fankhauser
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P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Michael Baird
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of 
bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve 
much of the Akamai content locally.

Regards
Michael Baird

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are 
abusing the service.


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.


It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a 
mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are the 
same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of 
content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai 
for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 
20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale 
would probably be the worst idea.

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Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

Is there Coax or POTS in the building?

A couple of Etherther Extenders can take care of difficult cable runs.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:30 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

Wall shot is not workable either.  These are old buildings that 2.4 does not 
penetrate at all (and 900 is out of the question) - we've already tried because 
the cable runs are just a real big pain!!

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:24 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

Then you have to have two, client and ap . if you are only going thru  say one 
wall, how about a single ruckus, the packman one.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

The Nanos have a hard time adjusting power down that far, though.

-

Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions

http://www.ics-il.com

On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, RickG wrote:
You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley 
mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com>> wrote:
Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150') with power 
that's able to adjust down to where it doesn't burn up radios.  Has to mount 
outside, and no, there's no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this situation.  
Bandwidth is not that big of a deal - 3-6meg will be more than enough.  Need 
only for VoIP traffic between two buildings.

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Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

2010-08-30 Thread Jason Hensley

Wall shot is not workable either.  These are old buildings that 2.4 does not
penetrate at all (and 900 is out of the question) - we've already tried
because the cable runs are just a real big pain!!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:24 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

 

Then you have to have two, client and ap . if you are only going thru  say
one wall, how about a single ruckus, the packman one.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

 

The Nanos have a hard time adjusting power down that far, though.

 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, RickG wrote: 

You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley 
wrote:

Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150') with
power that's able to adjust down to where it doesn't burn up radios.  Has to
mount outside, and no, there's no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this
situation.  Bandwidth is not that big of a deal - 3-6meg will be more than
enough.  Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings.  

 

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

 Not necessarily.  You can do BGP with provider assigned space as 
opposed to provider independent space.  You need BGP to properly utilize 
multiple providers.


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On 8/30/2010 12:15 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
You need it if you have your own IP space, for BGP.  If you don't 
"own" your OWN public IPs, then you don't have one.


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*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Interesting, whats an AS# ?

Kurt Fankhauser

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P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Baird
*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any
amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for
free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally.

Regards
Michael Baird

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the
customers that are abusing the service.

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith
*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:k...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and
Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery"
services. These are the same content-delivery services used by
just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots
of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows
Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15
to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking
Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea.

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MVN.net

  

  

  

  





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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's


 https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#five


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On 8/30/2010 12:15 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


Interesting, whats an AS# ?

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Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Michael Baird

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any 
amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), 
so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally.


Regards
Michael Baird

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers 
that are abusing the service.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote:


Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu 
uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" 
services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just 
about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of 
people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for 
instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of 
all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would 
probably be the worst idea.


David Smith

MVN.net

  

  
  
  


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Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

2010-08-30 Thread Chuck Profito

Then you have to have two, client and ap . if you are only going thru  say
one wall, how about a single ruckus, the packman one.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

The Nanos have a hard time adjusting power down that far, though.

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On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, RickG wrote: 

You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley 
wrote:

Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150') with
power that's able to adjust down to where it doesn't burn up radios.  Has to
mount outside, and no, there's no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this
situation.  Bandwidth is not that big of a deal - 3-6meg will be more than
enough.  Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings.  

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_system_(Internet) 




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On 8/30/2010 12:15 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


Interesting, whats an AS# ?

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Michael Baird

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any 
amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), 
so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally.


Regards
Michael Baird

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers 
that are abusing the service.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote:


Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu 
uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" 
services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just 
about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of 
people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for 
instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of 
all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would 
probably be the worst idea.


David Smith

MVN.net

  

  
  
  


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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Justin Wilson

AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a
good deal of bandwidth to their network.
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they
see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your upstream(s)
might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries.

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From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Interesting, whats an AS# ?
 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
 
Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of
bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve
much of the Akamai content locally.

Regards
Michael Baird


Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP¹s just for the customers that
are abusing the service.
 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
 
 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP¹s to block so my customers can¹t use Netflix and Hulu.
 

 

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses
a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are
the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots
of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses
Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible
for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai
wholesale would probably be the worst idea.

 

David Smith

MVN.net

 
 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Mark Nash - Lists

You need it if you have your own IP space, for BGP.  If you don't "own" your 
OWN public IPs, then you don't have one.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kurt Fankhauser 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

  Interesting, whats an AS# ?

  Kurt Fankhauser

  WAVELINC

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  419-562-6405

--

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Michael Baird
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

  Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of 
bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve 
much of the Akamai content locally.

  Regards
  Michael Baird

  Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that 
are abusing the service.

  Kurt Fankhauser

  WAVELINC

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  419-562-6405

--

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of David E. Smith
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

  On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

  Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

  It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a 
mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are the 
same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of 
content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai 
for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 
20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale 
would probably be the worst idea.

  David Smith

  MVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Interesting, whats an AS# ?

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

 

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of
bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve
much of the Akamai content locally.

Regards
Michael Baird



Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that
are abusing the service.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

 

 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

 

 

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses
a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are
the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots
of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses
Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible
for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai
wholesale would probably be the worst idea.

 

David Smith

MVN.net

 

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation