Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....
insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing Right. Madwifi ( http://madwifi.org/ ) is pretty good but having trouble keeping up with new Atheros models. MadWiFi is a sort of reverse engineering.Atheros knows how the chipsets work and you can buy the documentation, raw code, the secrets of the HAL, everything, by licensing. You also have to agree to certain levels of confidentiality, etc.This is why MADWIFI isn't official Atheros code, why the HAL for open source doesn't actually belong to Atheros. Last I knew, the cost of this was around $25K + the lawyers fees, etc... But this strict arm's length development of MADWIFI is part of the reason why it performs so poorly... The people with the access to the engineering information CAN build almost anything they want, since the Atheros radios are actually software defined. Once you get into the core of how it works, you have the ability to build a whole new original MAC, sort of. The money is what you pay for the license to use the information that Atheros gives you under confidentiality agreements. Now, YOU HAVE TO KEEP CONFIDENTIAL what you get, and the people using the GPL license run into some grief with that. BSD frees you from much of those constraints, makes a better system for closed/open source mix. Basically, you have to have to have seriously legally bound writers for the closed part of the code, and everyone else has no access to it. Probably end up with either closed source LKM's or a userland app or a daemon to accomplish this. Nice thing about it, is there's a LOT of hardware that has BSD licensed kernels... I got several interested parties including developers and WISP's, but the obstacle is the funding. The reason you need substantial funding: The wireless driver holds the key here. You need the license from Atheros, and that alone is a serious chunk of money. We came up with a couple of viable methods of making the idea work. The driver development has to keep the Atheros sources closed, and like other people have done, fundamental adjustment of the MAC would be the ultimate function. So what exactly are you referring to here which requires a license? The IP core? The HAL? Specifically, the HAL, but also a lot of engineering information they pass on to you. YOu learn how the radio works and how it can be changed... and you keep it a secret :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents
We have not ran into that yet. But thanks for letting us know. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents Should have read have you been affected... Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Tom, on a semi-related note, have affected by the VLAN bug on these radios? The radio will not respond to any traffic originating outside if its own subnet if VLAN support is enabled. That means no monitoring by a NMS if it's not on the same subnet as the radio. Trango confirmed the bug back in February but has been unable / unwilling to fix it so far... Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: The T45 is probably my favorite ptp radio today, but I'm severally limited without support for 10mhz channels. I usually run 20Mhz channels, but the safety blanket to be able to drop to 10Mhz to get around interference is priceless, when it is needed. Thats never known until after the gear is deployed. I agree, just add supprot for 10Mhz channels, and Its all good for me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents Thay just need to add a couple of features to the t45... Better ethernet configuration options 5 10 40 channels support gino -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:13 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents Which really leaves me wondering what Trango is going to be selling? Kick ASX PTP systems. Both Tri-Band Atlases, and Licensed Links. The have the potential to stay a price leader in Quality PtP. As for the PTMP To this day, I have never been able to get over the need to do scans on the fly from APs, to determine best channel to try. The Atlas still gives us that, and makes it a long term contendor against all the other options. I think Trango realizes they can't miss the PTP licensed market, (its to important) and that they need to stay focused on it. What I don't understand is why they can't just write some quick firmware mods, and turn the Atlast PTP Ext into an Atlas PTMP AP? I sure hope they don't give up on the MM5, even if it can't give us everything we want. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents Hi, You are correct... my mistake. However, the MM5 was going to be 5ghz along with an MM2 (2.4ghz) and MM9 (900mhz)... but as you mentioned, the products have been discontinued. Which really leaves me wondering what Trango is going to be selling? Their 5 year old product is getting slow, and is still very expensive. :( Travis Charles Wu wrote: Travis, The Trango 5830 / 900 / 2400 were up/down-coverted 802.11b - not 802.11a systems The only 802.11a multipoint system that Trango had was MM5, and it is my understanding that (1) it was never for 900 MHz and (2) it has been put on hold / discontinued -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents What about Trango? Charles Wu wrote: So, what down converted 802.11a systems are there for 900? Mini-PCI: Ubiquiti Zcomax Vendor Solutions: Tranzeo Alvarion Vecima/WaveRider Wu-Wu Special* *We are doing some exploratory investigation =) -Charles - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents Even thought this thread is a bit old, couldn't help but add my 2 cents (as there seems to be a resurgence of puff in this space) DISCLAIMER: I
Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....
Right. Madwifi ( http://madwifi.org/ ) is pretty good but having trouble keeping up with new Atheros models. MadWiFi is a sort of reverse engineering.Atheros knows how the chipsets work and you can buy the documentation, raw code, the secrets of the HAL, everything, by licensing. Certainly. You are correct it's reverse engineering, and having access to the engineering data would result in a better product. You also have to agree to certain levels of confidentiality, etc.This is why MADWIFI isn't official Atheros code, why the HAL for open source doesn't actually belong to Atheros. Of course. :) Last I knew, the cost of this was around $25K + the lawyers fees, etc... But this strict arm's length development of MADWIFI is part of the reason why it performs so poorly... H define poor performance? As compared to what? Also 25k is very cheap many IP cores sell for over a million dollars. Naturally that's relative haha. :) The people with the access to the engineering information CAN build almost anything they want, since the Atheros radios are actually software defined. Ah now you have my attention even more... I have been getting into SDR recently: GNURadio http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/doc/exploring-gnuradio.html and http://openpattern.org/ Obviously serious assembly required. Once you get into the core of how it works, you have the ability to build a whole new original MAC, sort of. Right. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....
But the control point would be at the tower, not remote. I know some WISPs operate in remote areas, but this is more for a high density urban deployment, similar to what you would use AirSpan or Alvarion for. The reasoning behind the FDD style deployment would be to help compete against 10Mbps+ cable connections. Right now a 6 AP deployment usually has about 10Mbps for each AP (Canopy, Trango). My thought is to transmit-sync a 50Mbps (40mhz turbo-mode) signal, with the vision that you could give fiber speeds wirelessly. Or, with 50Mbps of bandwidth (per sector) it would give you the ability to serve thousands of subscribers in a high density deployment. The other though would be to be able to multicast MPEG4 video over it. My vision is to keep us being able to compete with cable DSL for years to come without spending a fortune. If an open source system could interface with 6 NS5's ($600) plus a rackmount PC ($1000), that's a Wimax-style QOS deployment for less than the price of a single Canopy unit. The other thought is that single NS5's are 802.11 and have no ability to transmit sync (i.e. share frequencies) like other systems do. By giving it the ability to do that, you have an inexpensive hardware platform with $1 per AP features. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing Doug Ratcliffe wrote: My thoughts on this I've even mentied on the Mikrotik forum a while ago were to have a 2 part system: An outdoor wireless unit (like a Nanostation) that does nothing but act as a raw wireless interface, that connects to a master station inside the tower control room that is the intelligence, like Wimax-style QoS, polling, VOIP control etc. Isn't that how the Cisco solution works with a Wireless Lan Controller? This works great in campus environments which usually have a 100mbps or gigabit wired backbone, but not necessarily in WISP type deployments. In the case of a WISP you may have an exclusive wireless network (wireless link between CPE and aggregation point with WiMAX or other RF back haul ). or a hybrid model (wireless link between CPE and aggregation point with DSL/T1 back haul). Having the additional network infrastructure overhead on networks carrying customer traffic may or may not saturate your pipe. If you have the money to build separate control and data paths great! The outside part could be connected via network switch to allow a failover master control unit. Certainly. You want a reliable core. I would think the inside part would be a rack mountable Intel/AMD server or even an inexpensive workstation (since even a $250 computer has 20x the CPU power of a Nanostation). Certainly. Perhaps something like a mini ITX server. It would also allow the ability to sync AP broadcast, and maybe even include GPS sync capability. That would allow the outdoor unit to be minimal in flash and CPU speed but still allow high speed communications. Taken further into a 6x60 deg NS2/NS5 AP tower, combine that with mesh for tower to tower communications and have a Skypilot system on steroids (tower to tower routing with no hop loss). Interesting. Didn't quite follow all that, but I will research it. I had taken the idea to a second level having a FDD-style system with a separate transmit unit and recieve unit outdoors where the CPE would simply switch frequencies or polarities to recieve their packets, and switch again to transmit. Seems like a massive amount of overhead. What would the reasons and advantages/disadvantages for such an approach be? That could allow for a 40mhz-turbo mode broadcast (GPS synced) with 5mhz channel upstream. My thoughts were having the capability of sending out 50Mbps+ downstream to clients (assuming a dumb wireless driver would be very light on CPU usage compared to, say, a Mikrotik unit that does everything but cook your breakfast). mmhmm. I tried some concept stuff using MadWifi but without CSMA/CD disable, 5/10 mhz channel support, etc it was kinda pointless. The separate TX/RX channels came as a crutch idea for CSMA/CD because you could tell the unit that it is recieving on a disconnected antenna for the transmitter unit (so it would never detect carrier). In theory, it's basically like piping the raw wireless data directly into the eth0 interface. Nothing else on the outdoor part, all of the intelligence is in the indoor portion of the unit. Interesting what kind of network stack tuning did you do? What packet classifer? etc etc etc. Anyone like it? It certainly warrants further discussion and investigation. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project
Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: But the control point would be at the tower, not remote. I know some WISPs operate in remote areas, but this is more for a high density urban deployment, similar to what you would use AirSpan or Alvarion for. Right. Makes sense. I re read the original post. My apologies. :) The reasoning behind the FDD style deployment would be to help compete against 10Mbps+ cable connections. Right now a 6 AP deployment usually has about 10Mbps for each AP (Canopy, Trango). My thought is to transmit-sync a 50Mbps (40mhz turbo-mode) signal, with the vision that you could give fiber speeds wirelessly. Or, with 50Mbps of bandwidth (per sector) it would give you the ability to serve thousands of subscribers in a high density deployment. The other though would be to be able to multicast MPEG4 video over it. Yes that makes sense. My vision is to keep us being able to compete with cable DSL for years to come without spending a fortune. If an open source system could interface with 6 NS5's ($600) plus a rackmount PC ($1000), that's a Wimax-style QOS deployment for less than the price of a single Canopy unit. The other thought is that single NS5's are 802.11 and have no ability to transmit sync (i.e. share frequencies) like other systems do. By giving it the ability to do that, you have an inexpensive hardware platform with $1 per AP features. Indeed. I think you are onto something here! :) -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most of are used to. Pay a little extra for product, gain access to cleaner spectrum and hopefully a rule set that helps keep it cleaner than our wild wild west unlicensed world. Now deploy 3.650 using 802.16e upgradeable products. The coverage difference when using diversity options goes up significantly. Now 3.650 begins to act and feel more like a 900Mhz product with NLOS coverage capability. Actually our customers, and our field tests are showing that it exceeds 900Mhz often by a large margin. Here are a couple recent field examples all 2nd order diversity: Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB download holding CPE in their hand on the ground! Decided to test 5.8 at this location and @ 50' AGL the CPE got a link. 5.8 mounted on the same tower, same height as 3.650. The 5.8 system could not pass data and could just barely maintain association. Customer 2- 12.4 miles away at the owners home. 1.0mb on the ground. This location could not be serviced by 2.4 or 5.8 at 40' above the ground previously. The owner is going to mount Wimax on the roof and I expect he will se 10-12MB at that height. Customer 2- 12.6 miles on the ground. Completely obstructed 6MB down 3MB up. Customer 3- This is one of the most telling. Canopy 900 operator. 3.650 2nd order diversity mounted 10' below Canopy. 100% coverage at 3.650 of a small city. It takes 2 tower locations with 900 here to serve the same area. They gave up field testing because it works everywhere. They the said lets try to break it. We drove to a part of town that is challenged with 900 coverage. They found a traditionally bad coverage spot and drove up to a big tree, took the CPE out of the vehicle and buried it in the tree. -101 signal. They then picked up their VOIP phone and called the NOC and did a can you hear me now? Toll quality voice call. Our internal testing is showing similar results. Using 4th order diversity is showing even better results than above. When you do the upgrade to 16e and add Wave II CPE, Katy bar the door. That coverage is nothing less than jaw dropping. 2.5 miles obstructed with a PC card! Same PC card 1 mile away entering a commercial building, no signal change. Not possible with a traditional system. In this case the wall measured a 25db loss, however STC and MRC diversity gains completely made up for the attenuation once the paths became uncorrelated. Bottom line is diversity is the place to be with Wimax. It is more expensive, so find a way to afford it. Push your vendor for price breaks and don't be bashful. Alvarion for example is willing to work to earn business as well as the others. CPE costs for D and E systems are the same today, E will be much cheaper in the near future. Not all Wimax is the same, so test a site or visit one, you will walk away amazed. My two cents, and we carry all D and E products. Each has its place. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Mike you have peaked my interest with the 900Mhz against the 3.65. Were any of these tests done with hills? My problem is we have hills, and lots of them and trees too. You can't drive much more than a mile without going up a hill with a change of 100 - 150 ft in elevation. Anyone tested or used 3.65 under these circumstances that care to chime in? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:06:59 -0400 With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most of are used to. Pay a little extra for product, gain access to cleaner spectrum and hopefully a rule set that helps keep it cleaner than our wild wild west unlicensed world. Now deploy 3.650 using 802.16e upgradeable products. The coverage difference when using diversity options goes up significantly. Now 3.650 begins to act and feel more like a 900Mhz product with NLOS coverage capability. Actually our customers, and our field tests are showing that it exceeds 900Mhz often by a large margin. Here are a couple recent field examples all 2nd order diversity: Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB download holding CPE in their hand on the ground! Decided to test 5.8 at this location and @ 50' AGL the CPE got a link. 5.8 mounted on the same tower, same height as 3.650. The 5.8 system could not pass data and could just barely maintain association. Customer 2- 12.4 miles away at the owners home. 1.0mb on the ground. This location could not be serviced by 2.4 or 5.8 at 40' above the ground previously. The owner is going to mount Wimax on the roof and I expect he will se 10-12MB at that height. Customer 2- 12.6 miles on the ground. Completely obstructed 6MB down 3MB up. Customer 3- This is one of the most telling. Canopy 900 operator. 3.650 2nd order diversity mounted 10' below Canopy. 100% coverage at 3.650 of a small city. It takes 2 tower locations with 900 here to serve the same area. They gave up field testing because it works everywhere. They the said lets try to break it. We drove to a part of town that is challenged with 900 coverage. They found a traditionally bad coverage spot and drove up to a big tree, took the CPE out of the vehicle and buried it in the tree. -101 signal. They then picked up their VOIP phone and called the NOC and did a can you hear me now? Toll quality voice call. Our internal testing is showing similar results. Using 4th order diversity is showing even better results than above. When you do the upgrade to 16e and add Wave II CPE, Katy bar the door. That coverage is nothing less than jaw dropping. 2.5 miles obstructed with a PC card! Same PC card 1 mile away entering a commercial building, no signal change. Not possible with a traditional system. In this case the wall measured a 25db loss, however STC and MRC diversity gains completely made up for the attenuation once the paths became uncorrelated. Bottom line is diversity is the place to be with Wimax. It is more expensive, so find a way to afford it. Push your vendor for price breaks and don't be bashful. Alvarion for example is willing to work to earn business as well as the others. CPE costs for D and E systems are the same today, E will be much cheaper in the near future. Not all Wimax is the same, so test a site or visit one, you will walk away amazed. My two cents, and we carry all D and E products. Each has its place. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Hi Scottie, No, all flat ground but Midwest trees. Your scenario would be an interesting test. Mike At 07:59 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Mike you have peaked my interest with the 900Mhz against the 3.65. Were any of these tests done with hills? My problem is we have hills, and lots of them and trees too. You can't drive much more than a mile without going up a hill with a change of 100 - 150 ft in elevation. Anyone tested or used 3.65 under these circumstances that care to chime in? Scottie Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Right, but my point was that Mikrotik doesn't need to be worrying about virtualization. They need to put some more work into QA and USEFUL feature expansion, like into 802.11 and 802.16, not Xen. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations No Mike, not just our systems, any x86 system. That is why we don't think they are ending x86 support any time soon. The package is in testing now and hasn't been officially released. Mikrotik continually works to improve the OS. They normally respond well to bugs and fixes. They take votes from users on feature requests. You can vote at: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik_RouterOS/v3/Feature_Requests Jim Mike Hammett wrote: So let me get this right... Instead of working on wireless drivers, improving the existing feature set, stabilizing the whole router, etc. Mikrotik has been working on making your router virtual server host? Before I complain directly to Mikrotik, could you point me to something official saying that is out? Why don't they add on Media Center capability so I can store movies and TV shows on my router and stream them to my XBox, or heck, let me plug in a TV so I can play them directly from the router? Maybe they could just directly integrate with an XBox 360 and a DirecTV? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Spell checker must have got Dennis. He meant Virtualization (Zen). So now you can have your router, Asterisk, billing, mail server, web server all on one Mikrotik box. Obviously it will take a beefy unit like the PR 2282 to do this. Jim// Mike Hammett wrote: Visualization? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Very seriously doubt they will be dropping support for x86. Seeing that they just introduced visualization only offered on the x86 platform! Scottie Arnett wrote: DD-WRT and OpenWRT pretty much already do this for quite a few chipsets. They are not near the software as Mikrotik or StarOS is...but, if Mikrotikl drops support for x86, I would not be suprised if they or a new project starts very quickly to serve that need. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:01:19 -0600 I am surprised an open source project has not sprung up to do this. - Original Message - From: Japhy Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Maybe Mikrotik should take a note from Microsoft's book.. Remember how we went through the whole Apple/Windows game? How the company that wrote software for specific hardware lost - hard? For me, (and perhaps the low-end market!) I really just want a card/enclosure/poe/N-connector that I can flash with Linux or something similar; why everyone wants to make their own proprietary firmware sort of baffles me - why not tap into all of the very good code already written and being developed? Unless you are trying to deliver a commercial, polished product aimed at users who are less savvy about the guts and want an easier admin. solution. I.e., Windows and Apple. Look at how the PC market converged towards x86! If Mikrotik or some of the other big firmware companies pressured the hardware market into some sort of interchangeable hardware standard, we wouldn't need to port every stinking firmware flavor. Just saying, I think that Windows is arguably the most successful business model .. ever? And just as a last thought - nobody's really said, well this firmware does X better. Is there anything particularly different between Mikrotik, or StarOS or AirOS? - japhy And no, I am not saying Mikrotik is evil. They are just a profit oriented company with clear idea how to explore their market share and having a really solid businessplan. And just as you will never see Microsoft supporting Linux type software, you will never see Mikrotik supporting NS2/5. Though it's likely you may see Mikrotik version of hardware pretty much the same as NS2/5 sometime soon. On 7/21/08, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While you may be right on their focus being
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most of are used to. Pay a little extra for product, gain access to cleaner spectrum and hopefully a rule set that helps keep it cleaner than our wild wild west unlicensed world. Now deploy 3.650 using 802.16e upgradeable products. The coverage difference when using diversity options goes up significantly. Now 3.650 begins to act and feel more like a 900Mhz product with NLOS coverage capability. Actually our customers, and our field tests are showing that it exceeds 900Mhz often by a large margin. Here are a couple recent field examples all 2nd order diversity: Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB download holding CPE in their hand on the ground! Decided to test 5.8 at this location and @ 50' AGL the CPE got a link. 5.8 mounted on the same tower, same height as 3.650. The 5.8 system could not pass data and could just barely maintain association. Customer 2- 12.4 miles away at the owners home. 1.0mb on the ground. This location could not be serviced by 2.4 or 5.8 at 40' above the ground previously. The owner is going to mount Wimax on the roof and I expect he will se 10-12MB at that height. Customer 2- 12.6 miles on the ground. Completely obstructed 6MB down 3MB up. Customer 3- This is one of the most telling. Canopy 900 operator. 3.650 2nd order diversity mounted 10' below Canopy. 100% coverage at 3.650 of a small city. It takes 2 tower locations with 900 here to serve the same area. They gave up field testing because it works everywhere. They the said lets try to break it. We drove to a part of town that is challenged with 900 coverage. They found a traditionally bad coverage spot and drove up to a big tree, took the CPE out of the vehicle and buried it in the tree. -101 signal. They then picked up their VOIP phone and called the NOC and did a can you hear me now? Toll quality voice call. Our internal testing is showing similar results. Using 4th order diversity is showing even better results than above. When you do the upgrade to 16e and add Wave II CPE, Katy bar the door. That coverage is nothing less than jaw dropping. 2.5 miles obstructed with a PC card! Same PC card 1 mile away entering a commercial building, no signal change. Not possible with a traditional system. In this case the wall measured a 25db loss, however STC and MRC diversity gains completely made up for the attenuation once the paths became uncorrelated. Bottom line is diversity is the place to be with Wimax. It is more expensive, so find a way to afford it. Push your vendor for price breaks and don't be bashful. Alvarion for example is willing to work to earn business as well as the others. CPE costs for D and E systems are the same today, E will be much cheaper in the near future. Not all Wimax is the same, so test a site or visit one, you will walk away amazed. My two cents, and we carry all D and E products. Each has its place. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most of are used to. Pay a little extra for product, gain access to cleaner spectrum and hopefully a rule set that helps keep it cleaner than our wild wild west unlicensed world. Now deploy 3.650 using 802.16e upgradeable products. The coverage difference when using diversity options goes up significantly. Now 3.650 begins to act and feel more like a 900Mhz product with NLOS coverage capability. Actually our customers, and our field tests are showing that it exceeds 900Mhz often by a large margin. Here are a couple recent field examples all 2nd order diversity: Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB download holding CPE in their hand on the ground! Decided to test 5.8 at this location and @ 50' AGL the CPE got a link. 5.8 mounted on the same tower, same height as 3.650. The 5.8 system could not pass data and could just barely maintain association. Customer 2- 12.4 miles away at the owners home. 1.0mb on the ground. This location could not be serviced by 2.4 or 5.8 at 40' above the ground previously. The owner is going to mount Wimax on the roof and I expect he will se 10-12MB at that height. Customer 2- 12.6 miles on the ground. Completely obstructed 6MB down 3MB up. Customer 3- This is one of the most telling. Canopy 900 operator. 3.650 2nd order diversity mounted 10' below Canopy. 100% coverage at 3.650 of a small city. It takes 2 tower locations with 900 here to serve the same area. They gave up field testing because it works everywhere. They the said lets try to break it. We drove to a part of town that is challenged with 900 coverage. They found a traditionally bad coverage spot and drove up to a big tree, took the CPE out of the vehicle and buried it in the tree. -101 signal. They then picked up their VOIP phone and called the NOC and did a can you hear me now? Toll quality voice call. Our internal testing is showing similar results. Using 4th order diversity is showing even better results than above. When you do the upgrade to 16e and add Wave II CPE, Katy bar the door. That coverage is nothing less than jaw dropping. 2.5 miles obstructed with a PC card! Same PC card 1 mile away entering a commercial building, no signal change. Not possible with a traditional system. In this case the wall measured a 25db loss, however STC and MRC diversity gains completely made up for the attenuation once the paths became uncorrelated. Bottom line is diversity is the place to be with Wimax. It is more expensive, so find a way to afford it. Push your vendor for price breaks and don't be bashful. Alvarion for example is willing to work to earn business as well as the others. CPE costs for D and E systems are the same today, E will be much cheaper in the near future. Not all Wimax is the same, so test a site or visit one, you will walk away amazed. My two cents, and we carry all D and E products. Each has its place. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: They just copied someone else's card, though I forget now who. It's in the FCC docs. IIRC, the MT cards are relabled Compex cards. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Jim Patient wrote: Spell checker must have got Dennis. He meant Virtualization (Zen). Got Jim, too...he meant Virtualization (Xen). :-) -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. DSL is mostly gravy. It gets shared through NECA in many cases, but it doesn't so much to support the local loop. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Well, not quite. A tarrifed pots line pays for the wire in the ground and the upkeep. DSL is gravy. Or did I miss something? marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates ONLY support tarrifed services. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Why not? Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: Right, but my point was that Mikrotik doesn't need to be worrying about virtualization. They need to put some more work into QA and USEFUL feature expansion, like into 802.11 and 802.16, not Xen. You don't think XEN can be useful? I have it in testing now on 2 unique types of deployments that will save me about $340 PER location (possibly over 2000 locations)...I find it pretty useful...if it works, that is. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with Aperto gear. We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork to become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list are). I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too me... basically the too good to be true type thing. Everyone else in the company thought really the same thing. Field testing, while not nearly as extensive as others have done on this list (we are limited by the tower location i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line of sight at full modulation was no problem. We were even getting 6Mb or so through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away. When I try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects! We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international market). I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested. I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug 6th to really grasp what this equipment can do. So far I have been really impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are promising me is on its way out) Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy,
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
If you needed virtualization of some type, you could install it as the host OS, then install your Mikrotik or Asterisk or... on top. I guess I meant things that we can't already get somewhere else. Mikrotik themselves has to do a lot of things, but we can do Xen on our own. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: Right, but my point was that Mikrotik doesn't need to be worrying about virtualization. They need to put some more work into QA and USEFUL feature expansion, like into 802.11 and 802.16, not Xen. You don't think XEN can be useful? I have it in testing now on 2 unique types of deployments that will save me about $340 PER location (possibly over 2000 locations)...I find it pretty useful...if it works, that is. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Hi, I would have bet any amount of money that I saw "polling" as an option in the AirOS stuff... but now that I am looking for it, I can't seem to find it. :( Travis Randy Cosby wrote: Where is the polling you refer to? Is that in the beta firmware or something? I haven't noticed it. Randy Travis Johnson wrote: The AirOS that comes on the Nanostations also has polling the issue is having a product that is compatible and has the features that people are already used to. Having Mikrotik on the Nano's would open up a whole new world. Travis Gino Villarini wrote: Well you all have the option to flash the nanostations with oswave firmware. The oswave has polling... gino -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:21 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, I agree with almost everything you said... except the polling part. Having a robust, efficient polling system is the best thing available for outdoor wireless. That is one of the main reasons we are now using Mikrotik is because of their Nstreme and polling system. We are finding now it's not the same quality as Trango's polling, but it does work. How else do you keep a single customer from taking down an entire AP with a large upload (usually from an infection, virus, worm, etc.)? I have tested this over and over and over, and every time I come back to the same conclusion... you have to have a polling system to control the upload, otherwise the customer with the best signal dominates the AP (on the upload side). Here is a very simple test... set up an AP with two connected clients without polling. Start an upload on one client and then try doing a download or even a ping from the 2nd client. My tests show the download and/or ping to be very unreliable and very sporadic. Now, if you turn polling on and do the same test, everything works fine while the upload is running and the 2nd client can't even tell there is an upload running. Um, bandwidth limiting? As long as the AP has the upload speed coming from the client capped to a rate slightly less than the total capacity of the pipe, its not a problem. I'm doing the test right now, and I have rock solid pings, with a little bit of jitter. What we really need is the Nanostation-ROS... a Nanostation running Mikrotik (even for $50 more per unit)... that would be the killer CPE... I would place an order for 500 right now today. :) Or Nanostation-SOS - a Nano running StarOS. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hi Travis, I'm with you - the Nanostations are a pretty amazing product. I've been deploying Nanostations on 10mhz channels in 2.4 and 5ghz with StarOS access points and the performance/interference resistance is pretty amazing at ANY price point. I could say the same thing for the newer Tranzeo CPE units as well, but they can't match up with the Ubiquity price point just yet. It is neat to see a product with many of the Canopy advantages (rich features, small footprint, inexpensive to produce, good interference resistance) that is compatible with the 802.11a/b/g standards and thus able to take advantage of the very innovative Mikrotik and StarOS platforms. I'm curious to see if someone comes up with a good reflector for the Nanostation radios. That would enable the use of the adaptive antenna mode, and since StarOS has the ability to switch connectors on the fly - and potentially polarity if hooked up to a dual-pol antenna - you would end up with a standards based product that would have nearly every feature that the Trangos had that made them special (noise threshold at the AP, software switchable polarity, site survey, etc). No polling, but that is one of the most overrated features anyway. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I would agree... I think there is an opportunity as well. There are some new products in the market recently (Ubiquiti Nanostation) that could shake things up a little. Getting an FCC product with PoE and a Ubiquiti quality radio for $79 is pretty amazing (I will be testing some this coming week). It really makes you wonder how much money some of these companies can really have into a radio system (Trango, Canopy, etc.) when Ubiquiti can sell a brand new product for $79 MSRP. Granted there are not a lot of "bells and whistles", but honestly most of the WISP's out there don't need that. If you can buy a radio for $79, you can put whatever you need behind it (Cisco, Mikrotik, etc.) and still be less than $200 for a nice CPE. I think Trango's first mistake was the "mesh" game they
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Maybe you got confused with the OSwave firmware Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Hi, I would have bet any amount of money that I saw polling as an option in the AirOS stuff... but now that I am looking for it, I can't seem to find it. :( Travis Randy Cosby wrote: Where is the polling you refer to? Is that in the beta firmware or something? I haven't noticed it. Randy Travis Johnson wrote: The AirOS that comes on the Nanostations also has polling the issue is having a product that is compatible and has the features that people are already used to. Having Mikrotik on the Nano's would open up a whole new world. Travis Gino Villarini wrote: Well you all have the option to flash the nanostations with oswave firmware. The oswave has polling... gino -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:21 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, I agree with almost everything you said... except the polling part. Having a robust, efficient polling system is the best thing available for outdoor wireless. That is one of the main reasons we are now using Mikrotik is because of their Nstreme and polling system. We are finding now it's not the same quality as Trango's polling, but it does work. How else do you keep a single customer from taking down an entire AP with a large upload (usually from an infection, virus, worm, etc.)? I have tested this over and over and over, and every time I come back to the same conclusion... you have to have a polling system to control the upload, otherwise the customer with the best signal dominates the AP (on the upload side). Here is a very simple test... set up an AP with two connected clients without polling. Start an upload on one client and then try doing a download or even a ping from the 2nd client. My tests show the download and/or ping to be very unreliable and very sporadic. Now, if you turn polling on and do the same test, everything works fine while the upload is running and the 2nd client can't even tell there is an upload running. Um, bandwidth limiting? As long as the AP has the upload speed coming from the client capped to a rate slightly less than the total capacity of the pipe, its not a problem. I'm doing the test right now, and I have rock solid pings, with a little bit of jitter. What we really need is the Nanostation-ROS... a Nanostation running Mikrotik (even for $50 more per unit)... that would be the killer CPE... I would place an order for 500 right now today. :) Or Nanostation-SOS - a Nano running StarOS. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hi Travis, I'm with you - the Nanostations are a pretty amazing product. I've been deploying Nanostations on 10mhz channels in 2.4 and 5ghz with StarOS access points and the performance/interference resistance is pretty amazing at
Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....
I can't say whether I'm interested in your ideas yet or not. But unless you wanted to develop syncronization or some specific function of a centralized server for the base stations I don't see the point of adding the additional complexity. Canopy for example has synconization without the need for additional 'controllers'. Mikrotik's RB433AH have a *LOT* of extra cpu(from our expereinces) and they're only $150ea! Have you thought of using 802.11n/MIMO on the downstream with dual polarized setup? It's too bad we didn't have an FDD spectrum allocated to WISPs where there were channels dedicated to upstream and downstream. Almost exlusively we use FDD for PTPs as opposed to HDX for a handfull of reasons. Similar benefits exist in PTMP situations... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Doug Ratcliffe wrote: But the control point would be at the tower, not remote. I know some WISPs operate in remote areas, but this is more for a high density urban deployment, similar to what you would use AirSpan or Alvarion for. The reasoning behind the FDD style deployment would be to help compete against 10Mbps+ cable connections. Right now a 6 AP deployment usually has about 10Mbps for each AP (Canopy, Trango). My thought is to transmit-sync a 50Mbps (40mhz turbo-mode) signal, with the vision that you could give fiber speeds wirelessly. Or, with 50Mbps of bandwidth (per sector) it would give you the ability to serve thousands of subscribers in a high density deployment. The other though would be to be able to multicast MPEG4 video over it. My vision is to keep us being able to compete with cable DSL for years to come without spending a fortune. If an open source system could interface with 6 NS5's ($600) plus a rackmount PC ($1000), that's a Wimax-style QOS deployment for less than the price of a single Canopy unit. The other thought is that single NS5's are 802.11 and have no ability to transmit sync (i.e. share frequencies) like other systems do. By giving it the ability to do that, you have an inexpensive hardware platform with $1 per AP features. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing Doug Ratcliffe wrote: My thoughts on this I've even mentied on the Mikrotik forum a while ago were to have a 2 part system: An outdoor wireless unit (like a Nanostation) that does nothing but act as a raw wireless interface, that connects to a master station inside the tower control room that is the intelligence, like Wimax-style QoS, polling, VOIP control etc. Isn't that how the Cisco solution works with a Wireless Lan Controller? This works great in campus environments which usually have a 100mbps or gigabit wired backbone, but not necessarily in WISP type deployments. In the case of a WISP you may have an exclusive wireless network (wireless link between CPE and aggregation point with WiMAX or other RF back haul ). or a hybrid model (wireless link between CPE and aggregation point with DSL/T1 back haul). Having the additional network infrastructure overhead on networks carrying customer traffic may or may not saturate your pipe. If you have the money to build separate control and data paths great! The outside part could be connected via network switch to allow a failover master control unit. Certainly. You want a reliable core. I would think the inside part would be a rack mountable Intel/AMD server or even an inexpensive workstation (since even a $250 computer has 20x the CPU power of a Nanostation). Certainly. Perhaps something like a mini ITX server. It would also allow the ability to sync AP broadcast, and maybe even include GPS sync capability. That would allow the outdoor unit to be minimal in flash and CPU speed but still allow high speed communications. Taken further into a 6x60 deg NS2/NS5 AP tower, combine that with mesh for tower to tower communications and have a Skypilot system on steroids (tower to tower routing with no hop loss). Interesting. Didn't quite follow all that, but I will research it. I had taken the idea to a second level having a FDD-style system with a separate transmit unit and recieve unit outdoors where the CPE would simply switch frequencies or polarities to recieve their packets, and switch again to transmit. Seems like a massive amount of overhead. What would the reasons and advantages/disadvantages for such an approach be? That could allow for a 40mhz-turbo mode broadcast (GPS synced) with 5mhz channel upstream. My thoughts were having the capability of sending out 50Mbps+ downstream to clients (assuming a dumb wireless driver would be very light on CPU usage compared to, say, a Mikrotik unit that does everything but cook
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
I believe we were at 37dbm EIRP at both ends of the link. I agree that we can't change physics and I expected the same letdown that we all had when OFDM hit the scenes for 5.8ghz. All the tests I mentioned were using Alvarions base station with 2nd order diversity. 2nd order nets a 3db increase in transmit power and 12 db increase in uplink. 4th order is a 6db and 19 db increase on rx! Add subchannelization on top of this and I begin to see where the manufacturers R D money went. We are trying to better characterize how 3.650 propogates with no diversity, 2nd order, and 4th order as well as comparing same to 900Mhz. To that end we have installed 3.650 and 900 on the same tower, same AGL at 37 and 36 EIRP. Initial results within 1/2 mile show that 900 bests 3.650 from a signal strength perspective, but 3.650 normally has better thruput. However there is a section northeast of the tower that is a forest very close to the tower and behind that forest 3.650 coverage is spotty and 900 is fair. 3.650 apparently does not like its nearfield impacted. Out at the 2 mile range is where this begins to get interesting. 3.650 bests 900 on an RSSI measurement at all points tested. Of course 3.650 bested on performance at those locations as well. Scottie had asked about hilly terrain and I want to test in that environment. My gut tells me no go through a hill but I have seen so many good links at locations non wimax gear couldn't go that I am not ready to follow my gut and say no way to hills. We are going to put Wimax into a large coal mine application which is no tress and BIG holes in the ground. Propogation analysis shows we will need 5 base stations to cover the target area. I am betting that 2 or 3 bases will actually do the job once we begin the field testing. We also just completed field measurements of a 3.650 install. In this project we created a 2 meter High resolution Propogation study to predict coverage. Once these studies are tuned with real world field measurements we expect to see a predicted vs actual RSSI variance of less than 3db. We will also then begin to understand what real world attenuation values an oak vs a maple tree represent. These 1 or 2 meter studies are flat awesome. Through our in house process we generate trees and buildings as clutter + anything else of value to the prediction. Now the application knows about every tree, even the one in the curblawn. We are doing a high res extraction for our test site and will do an analysis at 900, and 3.650 using each variant of diversity. This data will be correlated and tuned for actual field results. I will make that data available once it is complete and that will tell a black and white story of what one can expect from the tested configurations. I am seeing that Wimax is a little harder to predict coverage as accurately as a traditional radio. What we are seeing is the prop model shows no coverage, field experience tells us that the model is correct. Field testing shows that we have Wimax coverage where we believe we should not. We may need to move to a 3D Ray Tracing model to more accurately predict Wimax, but this increases our processing time by a factor of 3 :-(. Luckily we have the best software available and it allows us considerable flexibility, not for the faint of heart though, I think at last tally we have over 500K invested :-(. Mike At 03:33 AM 7/22/2008, you wrote: insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB download holding CPE in their hand on the ground! Decided to test 5.8 at this location and @ 50' AGL the CPE got a link. 5.8 mounted on the same tower, same height as 3.650. The 5.8 system could not pass data and could just barely maintain association. I'm aware of the attenuation of trees on 5 ghz. It's deadly serious :) But the question I have is... Exactly what EIRP at the acess point, and what at the client? Adjusting the MAC does not magically change the physics of how or why RF does or does not get attenuated by trees or dirt or buildings, or whatever. I realize you can improve signal propagation and decoding reliability with OFDM, but it does not violate the law of RF and attenuation. On hte other hand, if you build a good enough front end, you can use extraordinary sensitivity to hear and decode the RF signals at very low levels. So, that all being said, What was the EIRP at the AP and CPE end? Does anyone here have solid information on the attentuation of 3.65 ghz t hrough trees? A random guess would put it between 2.4 ghz and 5 ghz, but perahps wavelenth at that frequency is amenable to penetration of foliage - lower than I would expect,
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is? http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82 I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used? Randy 3-dB Networks wrote: I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with Aperto gear. We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork to become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list are). I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too me... basically the too good to be true type thing. Everyone else in the company thought really the same thing. Field testing, while not nearly as extensive as others have done on this list (we are limited by the tower location i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line of sight at full modulation was no problem. We were even getting 6Mb or so through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away. When I try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects! We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international market). I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested. I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug 6th to really grasp what this equipment can do. So far I have been really impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are promising me is on its way out) Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
I don't usually agree with Mark's viewpoints, but I agree with this one 100%. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it, and let them fall into oblivion. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to rebrand the product their own). What is going on is they are using the same manufacturer. The PS and Case are the same, beyond that everything on the inside is Aperto. Trust me, I was very concerned about this when I was meeting with them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is? http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82 I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used? Randy 3-dB Networks wrote: I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with Aperto gear. We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork to become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list are). I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too me... basically the too good to be true type thing. Everyone else in the company thought really the same thing. Field testing, while not nearly as extensive as others have done on this list (we are limited by the tower location i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line of sight at full modulation was no problem. We were even getting 6Mb or so through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away. When I try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects! We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international market). I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested. I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug 6th to really grasp what this equipment can do. So far I have been really impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are promising me is on its way out) Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
There is nothing wrong with subsidees. Its the only way to level the playing field, in david vs goliath markets.. The problem is how subsidees are given and the criteria for how one qualifies. Subsidees are meant to be taken advantage of. Its what enables someone to survive, that otherwise would not. I'm personally glad there are many ILECs, and not just 5 RBOCs. Rural subsidees are what enable that. There is a bigger picture problem to solve via these programs, not just maximizing the dollar for rural deployment.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. I don't usually agree with Mark's viewpoints, but I agree with this one 100%. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it, and let them fall into oblivion. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Which picture matches? http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html -Hal -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0600 Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to rebrand the product their own). What is going on is they are using the same manufacturer. The PS and Case are the same, beyond that everything on the inside is Aperto. Trust me, I was very concerned about this when I was meeting with them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is? http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82 I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used? Randy 3-dB Networks wrote: I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with Aperto gear. We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork to become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list are). I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too me... basically the too good to be true type thing. Everyone else in the company thought really the same thing. Field testing, while not nearly as extensive as others have done on this list (we are limited by the tower location i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line of sight at full modulation was no problem. We were even getting 6Mb or so through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away. When I try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects! We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international market). I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested. I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug 6th to really grasp what this equipment can do. So far I have been really impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are promising me is on its way out) Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
The packetmax 100... it looks very similar... the PoE's are identical (not sure if the power output is the same but they look exactly the same) The case instead of being flat on the panel does have something of a raise, but if you have seen a Tranzeo before, the first thing you are going to think of when you see one of these is Tranzeo. Apparently though there has been enough negative feedback on that that they are going to change it hopefully to more of a Canopy Integrated 900 form factor Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Which picture matches? http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html -Hal -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0600 Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to rebrand the product their own). What is going on is they are using the same manufacturer. The PS and Case are the same, beyond that everything on the inside is Aperto. Trust me, I was very concerned about this when I was meeting with them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is? http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82 I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used? Randy 3-dB Networks wrote: I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with Aperto gear. We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork to become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list are). I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too me... basically the too good to be true type thing. Everyone else in the company thought really the same thing. Field testing, while not nearly as extensive as others have done on this list (we are limited by the tower location i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line of sight at full modulation was no problem. We were even getting 6Mb or so through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away. When I try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects! We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international market). I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested. I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug 6th to really grasp what this equipment can do. So far I have been really impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are promising me is on its way out) Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
The 300 looks like the Redline cpe On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which picture matches? http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html -Hal -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0600 Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to rebrand the product their own). What is going on is they are using the same manufacturer. The PS and Case are the same, beyond that everything on the inside is Aperto. Trust me, I was very concerned about this when I was meeting with them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is? http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82 I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used? Randy 3-dB Networks wrote: I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with Aperto gear. We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork to become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list are). I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too me... basically the too good to be true type thing. Everyone else in the company thought really the same thing. Field testing, while not nearly as extensive as others have done on this list (we are limited by the tower location i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line of sight at full modulation was no problem. We were even getting 6Mb or so through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away. When I try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects! We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international market). I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested. I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug 6th to really grasp what this equipment can do. So far I have been really impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are promising me is on its way out) Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
But you really are not harming the subsidized utility. For example, we have about 900 customer on our public utility. We charge them a little more than $10 for local service. $9000 per month. But the FUSF, SUSF, and NECA settlement probably amounts to 2-3 million a year. If you take my customers, the amount of my subsidy per customer increases since they have to keep me whole. That is the magic of rate of return regulation. The investment is what drives the amount of the support. Not the number of customers. We actually petitioned to give folks free service a few years ago and the regulators would not allow it. - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. I don't usually agree with Mark's viewpoints, but I agree with this one 100%. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it, and let them fall into oblivion. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
They are made by the same company along with a Moto wimax cpe and a few others... -Hal -Original Message- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:54:18 -0500 The 300 looks like the Redline cpe On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which picture matches? http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html -Hal -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0600 Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to rebrand the product their own). What is going on is they are using the same manufacturer. The PS and Case are the same, beyond that everything on the inside is Aperto. Trust me, I was very concerned about this when I was meeting with them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is? http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82 I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used? Randy 3-dB Networks wrote: I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with Aperto gear. We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork to become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list are). I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too me... basically the too good to be true type thing. Everyone else in the company thought really the same thing. Field testing, while not nearly as extensive as others have done on this list (we are limited by the tower location i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line of sight at full modulation was no problem. We were even getting 6Mb or so through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away. When I try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects! We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international market). I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested. I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug 6th to really grasp what this equipment can do. So far I have been really impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are promising me is on its way out) Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products.
[WISPA] A glorious victory
Just got back from a county commission meeting. We appealed conditions placed on a conditional use permit for a new tower. They wanted us to provide a full acre of fall protection clearance around the tower (leased land). That acre would be conveyed to the county. They wanted the parcel fenced, and landscaped. And the provision that no other development could ever be done there. This was for a 100 foot lattice tower in the middle of a cow pasture. I argued equal protection, I showed were they have never made us do this any other location. I told them I wanted the cows to graze under the tower. We argued telecom act and the inapplicability of the ordinance cited. I told them that they should require the local power company to have a clear fall zone around every power pole. The commissioners struck all the conditions. The planning guy was trying at the end to insert elements from the contract between us and the rancher. I objected to anything from that contract being read into the record for that proceeding. They shut him down on that too. The planner is a new guy, just graduated from college in May as a planner or some such thing. Our CUP was one of the first things he did. I tried to reason with him early in the process but he had to strut his stuff. So his stuff got rolled into a very tight tube and forcefully hammered into an orfice. I think I will go out on the back porch and crow a little. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
10k is NOT the price for an 802.16e solution- Try closer to 20-40k per sector Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most of are used to. Pay a little extra for product, gain access to cleaner spectrum and hopefully a rule set that helps keep it cleaner than our wild wild west unlicensed world. Now deploy 3.650 using 802.16e upgradeable products. The coverage difference when using diversity options goes up significantly. Now 3.650 begins to act and feel more like a 900Mhz product with NLOS coverage capability. Actually our customers, and our field tests are showing that it exceeds 900Mhz often by a large margin. Here are a couple recent field examples all 2nd order diversity: Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB download holding CPE in their hand on the ground! Decided to test 5.8 at this location and @ 50' AGL the CPE got a link. 5.8 mounted on the same tower, same height as 3.650. The 5.8 system could not pass data and could just barely maintain association. Customer 2- 12.4 miles away at the owners home. 1.0mb on the ground. This location could not be serviced by 2.4 or 5.8 at 40' above the ground previously. The owner is going to mount Wimax on the roof and I expect he will se 10-12MB at that height. Customer 2- 12.6 miles on the ground. Completely obstructed 6MB down 3MB up. Customer 3- This is one of the most telling. Canopy 900 operator. 3.650 2nd order diversity mounted 10' below Canopy. 100% coverage at 3.650 of a small city. It takes 2 tower locations with 900 here to serve the same area. They gave up field testing because it works everywhere. They the said lets try to break it. We drove to a part of town that is challenged with 900 coverage. They found a traditionally bad coverage spot and drove up to a big tree, took the CPE out of the vehicle and buried it in the tree. -101 signal. They then picked up their VOIP phone and called the NOC and did a can you hear me now? Toll quality voice call. Our internal testing is showing similar results. Using 4th order diversity is showing even better results than above. When you do the upgrade to 16e and add Wave II CPE, Katy bar the door. That coverage is nothing less than jaw dropping. 2.5 miles obstructed with a PC card! Same PC card 1 mile away entering a commercial building, no signal change. Not possible with a traditional system. In this case the wall measured a 25db loss, however STC and MRC diversity gains completely made up for the attenuation once the paths became uncorrelated. Bottom line is diversity is the place to be with Wimax. It is more expensive, so find a way to afford it. Push your vendor for price breaks and don't be bashful. Alvarion for example is willing to work to earn business as well as the others. CPE costs for D and E systems are the same today, E will be much cheaper in the near future. Not all Wimax is the same, so test a site or visit one, you will walk away amazed. My two cents, and we carry all D and E products. Each has its place. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Brian, Depends on many factors. The price point of 10k per sector is usually assuming you are talking about purchasing 1-6 sectors. Most of the MFR's are able to and willing to come down in price considerably when frame orders or larger deployments are taken into consideration. Best Regards, Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com http://www.apertonet.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Eric, How can it be possibly legal to use a 36dbm sector in 3.65ghz, unless you are talking about using a 3dbi antenna at the base? Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Redmax 100U - Lower power (23dbm) basesation $10k with sector antenna. Redmax 100UX - Certified last week, higher powered (36dbm) basestation $14k with sector antenna. -Eric John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireles s Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
You are correct. Don't shoot the messenger. -Eric Jeff Booher wrote: Eric, How can it be possibly legal to use a 36dbm sector in 3.65ghz, unless you are talking about using a 3dbi antenna at the base? Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Redmax 100U - Lower power (23dbm) basesation $10k with sector antenna. Redmax 100UX - Certified last week, higher powered (36dbm) basestation $14k with sector antenna. -Eric John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireles s Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: If you needed virtualization of some type, you could install it as the host OS, then install your Mikrotik or Asterisk or... on top. It's not that it was something I needed, but am using it since it is already installed. In order to get the particular projects I am working on, the way it is now is the best option. I guess I meant things that we can't already get somewhere else. Mikrotik themselves has to do a lot of things, but we can do Xen on our own. Since I don't direct MT in their plans (in fact, it seems the best way to ensure something DOESN'T happen is for me to ask for it), I can't offer you any advice here. In some respects, I agree with your sentiment. I just use what's there. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Mike, This does seem to good to be true. Could you provide more details on these links (for instance, tower heights, or maybe even coordinates that I can look over the path)? I was at a roadshow earlier this year. A Redline rep was there, he said that 3650 wasn't all that great thru trees. Maybe a kilometer. And Ball State U did a research study using 3.5GHz, they had spotty results starting at 3/4s of a of mile. You say these tests were in Ohio, that would seem to be pretty close to Michigan in tree foliage and perhaps topography. These are the sorts of results I've dreamed about, but can't really believe are possible. I was pinning my hopes on whitespaces radios. If you arrange a demo, I would love to drive down and look things over. Also, you mention a PC card ... is someone making a wimax card in 3.65? -John On July 21, at 7:06 PM July 21, Mike Cowan wrote: With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most of are used to. Pay a little extra for product, gain access to cleaner spectrum and hopefully a rule set that helps keep it cleaner than our wild wild west unlicensed world. Now deploy 3.650 using 802.16e upgradeable products. The coverage difference when using diversity options goes up significantly. Now 3.650 begins to act and feel more like a 900Mhz product with NLOS coverage capability. Actually our customers, and our field tests are showing that it exceeds 900Mhz often by a large margin. Here are a couple recent field examples all 2nd order diversity: Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB download holding CPE in their hand on the ground! Decided to test 5.8 at this location and @ 50' AGL the CPE got a link. 5.8 mounted on the same tower, same height as 3.650. The 5.8 system could not pass data and could just barely maintain association. Customer 2- 12.4 miles away at the owners home. 1.0mb on the ground. This location could not be serviced by 2.4 or 5.8 at 40' above the ground previously. The owner is going to mount Wimax on the roof and I expect he will se 10-12MB at that height. Customer 2- 12.6 miles on the ground. Completely obstructed 6MB down 3MB up. Customer 3- This is one of the most telling. Canopy 900 operator. 3.650 2nd order diversity mounted 10' below Canopy. 100% coverage at 3.650 of a small city. It takes 2 tower locations with 900 here to serve the same area. They gave up field testing because it works everywhere. They the said lets try to break it. We drove to a part of town that is challenged with 900 coverage. They found a traditionally bad coverage spot and drove up to a big tree, took the CPE out of the vehicle and buried it in the tree. -101 signal. They then picked up their VOIP phone and called the NOC and did a can you hear me now? Toll quality voice call. Our internal testing is showing similar results. Using 4th order diversity is showing even better results than above. When you do the upgrade to 16e and add Wave II CPE, Katy bar the door. That coverage is nothing less than jaw dropping. 2.5 miles obstructed with a PC card! Same PC card 1 mile away entering a commercial building, no signal change. Not possible with a traditional system. In this case the wall measured a 25db loss, however STC and MRC diversity gains completely made up for the attenuation once the paths became uncorrelated. Bottom line is diversity is the place to be with Wimax. It is more expensive, so find a way to afford it. Push your vendor for price breaks and don't be bashful. Alvarion for example is willing to work to earn business as well as the others. CPE costs for D and E systems are the same today, E will be much cheaper in the near future. Not all Wimax is the same, so test a site or visit one, you will walk away amazed. My two cents, and we carry all D and E products. Each has its place. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] A glorious victory
Nice victory Chuck. That guy was out of control. In all the zoning hearings I have ever participated in around the US, never had they gotten as restrictive as that guy tried to be! Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] A glorious victory Just got back from a county commission meeting. We appealed conditions placed on a conditional use permit for a new tower. They wanted us to provide a full acre of fall protection clearance around the tower (leased land). That acre would be conveyed to the county. They wanted the parcel fenced, and landscaped. And the provision that no other development could ever be done there. This was for a 100 foot lattice tower in the middle of a cow pasture. I argued equal protection, I showed were they have never made us do this any other location. I told them I wanted the cows to graze under the tower. We argued telecom act and the inapplicability of the ordinance cited. I told them that they should require the local power company to have a clear fall zone around every power pole. The commissioners struck all the conditions. The planning guy was trying at the end to insert elements from the contract between us and the rancher. I objected to anything from that contract being read into the record for that proceeding. They shut him down on that too. The planner is a new guy, just graduated from college in May as a planner or some such thing. Our CUP was one of the first things he did. I tried to reason with him early in the process but he had to strut his stuff. So his stuff got rolled into a very tight tube and forcefully hammered into an orfice. I think I will go out on the back porch and crow a little. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
John Valenti wrote: Mike, This does seem to good to be true. Could you provide more details on these links (for instance, tower heights, or maybe even coordinates that I can look over the path)? I was at a roadshow earlier this year. A Redline rep was there, he said that 3650 wasn't all that great thru trees. Maybe a kilometer. And Ball State U did a research study using 3.5GHz, they had spotty results starting at 3/4s of a of mile. You say these tests were in Ohio, that would seem to be pretty close to Michigan in tree foliage and perhaps topography. I drove down to Eldora Speedway (from Michigan) over a month ago and was pretty amazed and how far I could see. It was my first time down there and it was treeless and flat compared to Michigan. The people riding with me didn't have a clue what I was talking about but I kept telling them how I wish I was a WISP down there. :) These are the sorts of results I've dreamed about, but can't really believe are possible. I was pinning my hopes on whitespaces radios. If you arrange a demo, I would love to drive down and look things over. Also, you mention a PC card ... is someone making a wimax card in 3.65? -John On July 21, at 7:06 PM July 21, Mike Cowan wrote: With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most of are used to. Pay a little extra for product, gain access to cleaner spectrum and hopefully a rule set that helps keep it cleaner than our wild wild west unlicensed world. Now deploy 3.650 using 802.16e upgradeable products. The coverage difference when using diversity options goes up significantly. Now 3.650 begins to act and feel more like a 900Mhz product with NLOS coverage capability. Actually our customers, and our field tests are showing that it exceeds 900Mhz often by a large margin. Here are a couple recent field examples all 2nd order diversity: Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB download holding CPE in their hand on the ground! Decided to test 5.8 at this location and @ 50' AGL the CPE got a link. 5.8 mounted on the same tower, same height as 3.650. The 5.8 system could not pass data and could just barely maintain association. Customer 2- 12.4 miles away at the owners home. 1.0mb on the ground. This location could not be serviced by 2.4 or 5.8 at 40' above the ground previously. The owner is going to mount Wimax on the roof and I expect he will se 10-12MB at that height. Customer 2- 12.6 miles on the ground. Completely obstructed 6MB down 3MB up. Customer 3- This is one of the most telling. Canopy 900 operator. 3.650 2nd order diversity mounted 10' below Canopy. 100% coverage at 3.650 of a small city. It takes 2 tower locations with 900 here to serve the same area. They gave up field testing because "it works everywhere". They the said "lets try to break it". We drove to a part of town that is challenged with 900 coverage. They found a traditionally bad coverage spot and drove up to a big tree, took the CPE out of the vehicle and buried it in the tree. -101 signal. They then picked up their VOIP phone and called the NOC and did a "can you hear me now"? Toll quality voice call. Our internal testing is showing similar results. Using 4th order diversity is showing even better results than above. When you do the upgrade to 16e and add Wave II CPE, Katy bar the door. That coverage is nothing less than jaw dropping. 2.5 miles obstructed with a PC card! Same PC card 1 mile away entering a commercial building, no signal change. Not possible with a traditional system. In this case the wall measured a 25db loss, however STC and MRC diversity gains completely made up for the attenuation once the paths became uncorrelated. Bottom line is diversity is the place to be with Wimax. It is more expensive, so find a way to afford it. Push your vendor for price breaks and don't be bashful. Alvarion for example is willing to work to earn business as well as the others. CPE costs for D and E systems are the same today, E will be much cheaper in the near future. Not all Wimax is the same, so test a site or visit one, you will walk away amazed. My two cents, and we carry all D and E products. Each has its place. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] A glorious victory
Good job! -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] A glorious victory Just got back from a county commission meeting. We appealed conditions placed on a conditional use permit for a new tower. They wanted us to provide a full acre of fall protection clearance around the tower (leased land). That acre would be conveyed to the county. They wanted the parcel fenced, and landscaped. And the provision that no other development could ever be done there. This was for a 100 foot lattice tower in the middle of a cow pasture. I argued equal protection, I showed were they have never made us do this any other location. I told them I wanted the cows to graze under the tower. We argued telecom act and the inapplicability of the ordinance cited. I told them that they should require the local power company to have a clear fall zone around every power pole. The commissioners struck all the conditions. The planning guy was trying at the end to insert elements from the contract between us and the rancher. I objected to anything from that contract being read into the record for that proceeding. They shut him down on that too. The planner is a new guy, just graduated from college in May as a planner or some such thing. Our CUP was one of the first things he did. I tried to reason with him early in the process but he had to strut his stuff. So his stuff got rolled into a very tight tube and forcefully hammered into an orfice. I think I will go out on the back porch and crow a little. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Which is not your average WISP... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Brian, Depends on many factors. The price point of 10k per sector is usually assuming you are talking about purchasing 1-6 sectors. Most of the MFR's are able to and willing to come down in price considerably when frame orders or larger deployments are taken into consideration. Best Regards, Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com http://www.apertonet.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
That's probably EIRP, not radio power. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field You are correct. Don't shoot the messenger. -Eric Jeff Booher wrote: Eric, How can it be possibly legal to use a 36dbm sector in 3.65ghz, unless you are talking about using a 3dbi antenna at the base? Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Redmax 100U - Lower power (23dbm) basesation $10k with sector antenna. Redmax 100UX - Certified last week, higher powered (36dbm) basestation $14k with sector antenna. -Eric John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireles s Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP market doesn't need, but really drives up the price (I think its supposed to do 6 9's for availability?) It sucks that its going to limit the WISP's with small customers bases Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Which is not your average WISP... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Brian, Depends on many factors. The price point of 10k per sector is usually assuming you are talking about purchasing 1-6 sectors. Most of the MFR's are able to and willing to come down in price considerably when frame orders or larger deployments are taken into consideration. Best Regards, Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com http://www.apertonet.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
A 4-5 dBi antenna gets you to 10 watts which would be legal in theory with a 10 MHz wide channel ;-) Wind load would be very small for that sized sector --- heeehhe John Rock Wireless Connections Director of Operations - Senior Engineer ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Eric, How can it be possibly legal to use a 36dbm sector in 3.65ghz, unless you are talking about using a 3dbi antenna at the base? Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Redmax 100U - Lower power (23dbm) basesation $10k with sector antenna. Redmax 100UX - Certified last week, higher powered (36dbm) basestation $14k with sector antenna. -Eric John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireles s Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with each other all over the USA. CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz and yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be dictated by availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable 3.65 networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in place for this to happen. Hurdles... -CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices. -Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set. -Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with each other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge this does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in the 3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist between base stations along with the interoperability standards they are developing. The GPS peice may exist but I have yet to see in in the standerds. Thanks, John Rock Wireless Connections Director of Operations - Senior Engineer ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP market doesn't need, but really drives up the price (I think its supposed to do 6 9's for availability?) It sucks that its going to limit the WISP's with small customers bases Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Which is not your average WISP... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Brian, Depends on many factors. The price point of 10k per sector is usually assuming you are talking about purchasing 1-6 sectors. Most of the MFR's are able to and willing to come down in price considerably when frame orders or larger deployments are taken into consideration. Best Regards, Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com http://www.apertonet.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
Because many WISPs operate as part-time or shoe-string type operations, I would venture to say that the average WISP has less than 1000 CPE deployed. On the other hand, if you were to ask the question in a different manner... perhaps frame the question: Of those WISPs that have at least one employee other than the owner, how many CPE does the average WISP have? Then I think the 1000-2000 CPE range is more accurate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
I agree 100%... every WISP should really look at 3.65. The problem is the base station cost... I don't know many small WISP's that will be able to afford a 10k base station. Many have a hard time deploying say Canopy AP's that cost $1200 or so. My point is, unlike Canopy, Tranzeo, Ubquity, Trango, etc. etc. the equipment is not being built for the WISP. WISP's should be on board with it, but don't confuse that with the equipment being built and marketed for the average WISP (at least as what I think the average WISP is). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with each other all over the USA. CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz and yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be dictated by availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable 3.65 networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in place for this to happen. Hurdles... -CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices. -Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set. -Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with each other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge this does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in the 3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist between base stations along with the interoperability standards they are developing. The GPS peice may exist but I have yet to see in in the standerds. Thanks, John Rock Wireless Connections Director of Operations - Senior Engineer ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP market doesn't need, but really drives up the price (I think its supposed to do 6 9's for availability?) It sucks that its going to limit the WISP's with small customers bases Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Which is not your average WISP... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Brian, Depends on many factors. The price point of 10k per sector is usually assuming you are talking about purchasing 1-6 sectors. Most of the MFR's are able to and willing to come down in price considerably when frame orders or larger deployments are taken into consideration. Best Regards, Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com http://www.apertonet.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
John, From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same GPS sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can be timed together. Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment to be certified. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with each other all over the USA. CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz and yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be dictated by availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable 3.65 networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in place for this to happen. Hurdles... -CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices. -Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set. -Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with each other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge this does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in the 3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist between base stations along with the interoperability standards they are developing. The GPS peice may exist but I have yet to see in in the standerds. Thanks, John Rock Wireless Connections Director of Operations - Senior Engineer ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP market doesn't need, but really drives up the price (I think its supposed to do 6 9's for availability?) It sucks that its going to limit the WISP's with small customers bases Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Which is not your average WISP... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Brian, Depends on many factors. The price point of 10k per sector is usually assuming you are talking about purchasing 1-6 sectors. Most of the MFR's are able to and willing to come down in price considerably when frame orders or larger deployments are taken into consideration. Best Regards, Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com http://www.apertonet.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
I agree with you. Being a small WISP, we really took a risk investing in RedMax gear for the simple fact that we are so rural. Selling Business Internet and Voip bundles with a small PBX phone system is the only way we're really going to see a decent return on this system in the near future. The equipment is incredible. I can't complain at all about the equipment or the support, and it is definitely Carrier Grade. I just hope at some point the equipment costs go down for us all to enjoy the benefits of WiMax. Having said that, I hope the equipment stays just expensive enough to keep the spectrum clean, if you know what I mean. On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:49 PM, 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree 100%... every WISP should really look at 3.65. The problem is the base station cost... I don't know many small WISP's that will be able to afford a 10k base station. Many have a hard time deploying say Canopy AP's that cost $1200 or so. My point is, unlike Canopy, Tranzeo, Ubquity, Trango, etc. etc. the equipment is not being built for the WISP. WISP's should be on board with it, but don't confuse that with the equipment being built and marketed for the average WISP (at least as what I think the average WISP is). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with each other all over the USA. CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz and yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be dictated by availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable 3.65 networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in place for this to happen. Hurdles... -CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices. -Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set. -Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with each other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge this does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in the 3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist between base stations along with the interoperability standards they are developing. The GPS peice may exist but I have yet to see in in the standerds. Thanks, John Rock Wireless Connections Director of Operations - Senior Engineer ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP market doesn't need, but really drives up the price (I think its supposed to do 6 9's for availability?) It sucks that its going to limit the WISP's with small customers bases Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Which is not your average WISP... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Brian, Depends on many factors. The price point of 10k per sector is usually assuming you are talking about purchasing 1-6 sectors. Most of the MFR's are able to and willing to come down in price considerably when frame orders or larger deployments are taken into consideration. Best Regards,
[WISPA] NS1 - KML conversion
I'm looking for scripts (perl, python, etc) that turn Netstumber (or equiv) data into the KML files necessary for Google Earth. So far, I've only found the following googling. http://code.google.com/p/ns2kml/ Has anyone found any others that work well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NS1 - KML conversion
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map?form=wifi Ryan On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:34 AM, Rogelio wrote: I'm looking for scripts (perl, python, etc) that turn Netstumber (or equiv) data into the KML files necessary for Google Earth. So far, I've only found the following googling. http://code.google.com/p/ns2kml/ Has anyone found any others that work well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
I'd say the average WISP is close to 300 - 400. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
just remember cpe count is not a reflection of customers served, unless talking about residential single family homes. Enabling business activity and commerce is just as valuable as getting residents served. I average 5 businesses per CPE currently, and have the ability to serve an average of 40 businesses per CPE. And average the abilty to serve 300 residents per CPE to residentail MTU. Keep that in mind, when talking CPE. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Jack, I would guess the average WISP is 1000-2000 subscribers strong. Mesa Networks was at 7300, but I know that is way above average. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need a Karlnet base station license
We had a bad storm that killed my last spare Karlnet base station this week and I have about 35 client systems I don't want to change out yet. My distributor said Proxim quit selling the license keys this year. The last board I have is loaded with SG4200 software and I wouldn't mind keeping it as I have a site running a PtP still using a pair of these. Does anyone have either a KN105 /205 board with SG4400 software? At the very least a SG4400 key. Please send responses off list. Thank you, David Hulsebus [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1568 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 6:55 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
Good point, maybe circuits per WISP? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? just remember cpe count is not a reflection of customers served, unless talking about residential single family homes. Enabling business activity and commerce is just as valuable as getting residents served. I average 5 businesses per CPE currently, and have the ability to serve an average of 40 businesses per CPE. And average the abilty to serve 300 residents per CPE to residentail MTU. Keep that in mind, when talking CPE. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Jack, I would guess the average WISP is 1000-2000 subscribers strong. Mesa Networks was at 7300, but I know that is way above average. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Edge Router or L3 Switch?
Hey, looking for some input here.. We have a single 100 Mbps Ethe Uplint to the net, with another one turning on in some weeks. Currently we have a Cisco 7240 handling the single Eth Circuit, but we need to upgrade to a beffeier unit. Would it make sense to put a Cisco L3 Switch instead of a Router? The unit would only be doing BGP for the uplinks, then all traffic go to our Mikrotik distribution unit. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OFFLIST: Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
Yep - I'm keeping it in mind. Tom DeReggi wrote: just remember cpe count is not a reflection of customers served, unless talking about residential single family homes. Enabling business activity and commerce is just as valuable as getting residents served. I average 5 businesses per CPE currently, and have the ability to serve an average of 40 businesses per CPE. And average the abilty to serve 300 residents per CPE to residentail MTU. Keep that in mind, when talking CPE. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Jack, I would guess the average WISP is 1000-2000 subscribers strong. Mesa Networks was at 7300, but I know that is way above average. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
Once I have average CPE per WISP I can scale a percentage of those CPE up to account for the total number of end-users taking into account some CPE serve households, some serve businesses, some serve MDUs, etc. But I have to start somewhere and that somewhere is average number of CPEs per WISP. The end number of end-users will still be an estimate but at least it will be an educated estimate. Gino Villarini wrote: Good point, maybe circuits per WISP? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? just remember cpe count is not a reflection of customers served, unless talking about residential single family homes. Enabling business activity and commerce is just as valuable as getting residents served. I average 5 businesses per CPE currently, and have the ability to serve an average of 40 businesses per CPE. And average the abilty to serve 300 residents per CPE to residentail MTU. Keep that in mind, when talking CPE. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Jack, I would guess the average WISP is 1000-2000 subscribers strong. Mesa Networks was at 7300, but I know that is way above average. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
Jack, how are we supposed to know? The only way to find anything approaching an average is to get those 500 responses and average them. And t hen you still gotta define what a WISP is. Is it the guy who covers an area the size of two city blocks and has backhauled in DSL from 3 miles away?Is it only the person who has hired help?You're not a real WISP until you're large enough to have employees.Huh, that seems self defeating.. But anyway, averaging our opinion of what is average...In my opinion there is no average that represents what a WISP is. They range from that guy with his 4 neighbors to people who cover 10 thousand square miles, and both are exceptional, rather than the norm. But yet to add them together and average that... I just can't seem to form an opinion of what average should be. And I'm not trying to argue with you... I'm just wondering, even if we could somehow tabulate all this with actual counts, would averaging give us any useful data... If I were to offer a response, i'd say that WISP's average between 50 and 500 cpe. And that still seems indefensible, really, as a number, even when given in a range... It's just a WAG... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
:: laugh :: Jack, it happens even in the best of regulated families :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Yep - I'm keeping it in mind. Tom DeReggi wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
Jack Unger wrote: Once I have average CPE per WISP I can scale a percentage of those CPE up to account for the total number of end-users taking into account some CPE serve households, some serve businesses, some serve MDUs, etc. But I have to start somewhere and that somewhere is average number of CPEs per WISP. The end number of end-users will still be an estimate but at least it will be an educated estimate. Something like 85% of the American population believes they're middle class, regardless of how much money they're bringing in. I suspect this will be similarly skewed - I know how big my business is, and I think we're a fairly average WISP, so I'll guess that most WISPs are similar to the one that signs my paychecks. Anyway, shouldn't the FCC already have this sort of data? At least for WISPs that file Form 477 like they're supposed to, they can just add up the fixed-wireless numbers, divide by the number of WISPs that filed, and call it a day. Intuitively, I suspect the ones that don't file are the smaller ones that don't even know they're supposed to, so unless there are a LOT of those it won't skew the average too much. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PacWireless POE
Has anyone used the PacWireless 48v POE injectors? I hear they also provide surge protection? The good the bad, the ugly? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command?
What is it? How do I activate the buzzer? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command?
i think its something like set Buzzer 1 Do you have any manuals? On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it? How do I activate the buzzer? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless POE
We use the 48, 24, and 18v and they have worked great for us. They have surge protection. Just be sure the ground in the 110 plug is actually grounded. Jim John McDowell wrote: Has anyone used the PacWireless 48v POE injectors? I hear they also provide surge protection? The good the bad, the ugly? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless POE
awesome, thanks On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use the 48, 24, and 18v and they have worked great for us. They have surge protection. Just be sure the ground in the 110 plug is actually grounded. Jim John McDowell wrote: Has anyone used the PacWireless 48v POE injectors? I hear they also provide surge protection? The good the bad, the ugly? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command?
Tried that, no workie -Original Message- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command? i think its something like set Buzzer 1 Do you have any manuals? On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it? How do I activate the buzzer? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command?
yeah, i tried it to...no workie I look through some of the manuals and see On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried that, no workie -Original Message- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command? i think its something like set Buzzer 1 Do you have any manuals? On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it? How do I activate the buzzer? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PowerDsine POE injectors
Anybody need some? I'm trying to get rid of them and buy something with built in surge protection. HIt me off list if interested -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command?
ON: set boardConfig Buzzer 1 OFF: set boardConfig Buzzer 0 They are not very accurate. I would still recommend that you have someone on the remote end giving you a verbal. -Eric John McDowell wrote: yeah, i tried it to...no workie I look through some of the manuals and see On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried that, no workie -Original Message- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command? i think its something like set Buzzer 1 Do you have any manuals? On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it? How do I activate the buzzer? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command?
set boardConfig Buzzer 1 On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried that, no workie -Original Message- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command? i think its something like set Buzzer 1 Do you have any manuals? On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it? How do I activate the buzzer? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command?
lol...3 at once On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: set boardConfig Buzzer 1 -Matt On Jul 23, 2008, at 4:14 PM, John McDowell wrote: yeah, i tried it to...no workie I look through some of the manuals and see On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried that, no workie -Original Message- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command? i think its something like set Buzzer 1 Do you have any manuals? On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it? How do I activate the buzzer? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by One Ring Networks, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless POE
I prefer to use PacWireless PoE over any other. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] PacWireless POE Has anyone used the PacWireless 48v POE injectors? I hear they also provide surge protection? The good the bad, the ugly? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless POE
I prefer to use PacWireless PoE over any other. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] PacWireless POE Has anyone used the PacWireless 48v POE injectors? I hear they also provide surge protection? The good the bad, the ugly? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless POE
I use them occaisionally and find they work ok. I once ran a box on them that ran them close to full power, and it fried them within 2 weeks. I went through two of them rapid fire before I found a different solution. Other than that, they've been good for me. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] PacWireless POE Has anyone used the PacWireless 48v POE injectors? I hear they also provide surge protection? The good the bad, the ugly? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless POE
What is your other solution? I haven't had too many problems, but we do occasionally have the POEs go bad so I'm interested in other options. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use them occaisionally and find they work ok. I once ran a box on them that ran them close to full power, and it fried them within 2 weeks. I went through two of them rapid fire before I found a different solution. Other than that, they've been good for me. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] PacWireless POE Has anyone used the PacWireless 48v POE injectors? I hear they also provide surge protection? The good the bad, the ugly? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
If the WISP filed their for 477 truthfully, the FCC should already have an idea of what the average is out of the WISPs that filed. Considering how many do or don't file them, I am not sure how accurate their data will be. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Jack, how are we supposed to know? The only way to find anything approaching an average is to get those 500 responses and average them. And t hen you still gotta define what a WISP is. Is it the guy who covers an area the size of two city blocks and has backhauled in DSL from 3 miles away?Is it only the person who has hired help?You're not a real WISP until you're large enough to have employees.Huh, that seems self defeating.. But anyway, averaging our opinion of what is average...In my opinion there is no average that represents what a WISP is. They range from that guy with his 4 neighbors to people who cover 10 thousand square miles, and both are exceptional, rather than the norm. But yet to add them together and average that... I just can't seem to form an opinion of what average should be. And I'm not trying to argue with you... I'm just wondering, even if we could somehow tabulate all this with actual counts, would averaging give us any useful data... If I were to offer a response, i'd say that WISP's average between 50 and 500 cpe. And that still seems indefensible, really, as a number, even when given in a range... It's just a WAG... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 1:31 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command?
Thanks to all Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command? lol...3 at once On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: set boardConfig Buzzer 1 -Matt On Jul 23, 2008, at 4:14 PM, John McDowell wrote: yeah, i tried it to...no workie I look through some of the manuals and see On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried that, no workie -Original Message- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline SUA buzzer command? i think its something like set Buzzer 1 Do you have any manuals? On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it? How do I activate the buzzer? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by One Ring Networks, and is believed to be clean. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
I agree with that. But, reality being what it is marlon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it, and let them fall into oblivion. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. DSL is mostly gravy. It gets shared through NECA in many cases, but it doesn't so much to support the local loop. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Well, not quite. A tarrifed pots line pays for the wire in the ground and the upkeep. DSL is gravy. Or did I miss something? marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates ONLY support tarrifed services. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Why not? Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need a Karlnet base station license
Been so long what is the Sg4200 license? We are decommissioning a large amount of Karlnet and will be selling them off. We have down some kn205 base stations with the license for base station mode. Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Hulsebus Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Need a Karlnet base station license We had a bad storm that killed my last spare Karlnet base station this week and I have about 35 client systems I don't want to change out yet. My distributor said Proxim quit selling the license keys this year. The last board I have is loaded with SG4200 software and I wouldn't mind keeping it as I have a site running a PtP still using a pair of these. Does anyone have either a KN105 /205 board with SG4400 software? At the very least a SG4400 key. Please send responses off list. Thank you, David Hulsebus [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1568 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 6:55 AM --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A glorious victory
lol coolness marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] A glorious victory Just got back from a county commission meeting. We appealed conditions placed on a conditional use permit for a new tower. They wanted us to provide a full acre of fall protection clearance around the tower (leased land). That acre would be conveyed to the county. They wanted the parcel fenced, and landscaped. And the provision that no other development could ever be done there. This was for a 100 foot lattice tower in the middle of a cow pasture. I argued equal protection, I showed were they have never made us do this any other location. I told them I wanted the cows to graze under the tower. We argued telecom act and the inapplicability of the ordinance cited. I told them that they should require the local power company to have a clear fall zone around every power pole. The commissioners struck all the conditions. The planning guy was trying at the end to insert elements from the contract between us and the rancher. I objected to anything from that contract being read into the record for that proceeding. They shut him down on that too. The planner is a new guy, just graduated from college in May as a planner or some such thing. Our CUP was one of the first things he did. I tried to reason with him early in the process but he had to strut his stuff. So his stuff got rolled into a very tight tube and forcefully hammered into an orfice. I think I will go out on the back porch and crow a little. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
It's not possible to know that for sure. But if I had to guess I'd have to say 500 to 1000 these days. But there are getting to be a LOT of wisps with 1000+++ subs these days. I remember reading about one that's 25k subs. I think that a more important number would be the number of homes passed. In my case that's probably upwards of 20,000 people. Too bad that there is so much competition around here. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: [WISPA Members] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080723/20080723006177.html?.v=1 I got a couple of these in my hands to sample yesterday. Haven't had a chance to experiment with them yet. George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
We have an official definition of a wisp. It was part of what we had to define in order for a person/company to be a principal member. marlon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Jack, how are we supposed to know? The only way to find anything approaching an average is to get those 500 responses and average them. And t hen you still gotta define what a WISP is. Is it the guy who covers an area the size of two city blocks and has backhauled in DSL from 3 miles away?Is it only the person who has hired help?You're not a real WISP until you're large enough to have employees.Huh, that seems self defeating.. But anyway, averaging our opinion of what is average... In my opinion there is no average that represents what a WISP is. They range from that guy with his 4 neighbors to people who cover 10 thousand square miles, and both are exceptional, rather than the norm. But yet to add them together and average that... I just can't seem to form an opinion of what average should be. And I'm not trying to argue with you... I'm just wondering, even if we could somehow tabulate all this with actual counts, would averaging give us any useful data... If I were to offer a response, i'd say that WISP's average between 50 and 500 cpe. And that still seems indefensible, really, as a number, even when given in a range... It's just a WAG... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Multiple DNS implementations vulnerable to cache poisoning
Thought the community should be aware of this one. A rather lengthy blog detailing the exact mechanics of DNS cache poisoning got leaked yesterday. -Eric http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/security/showArticle.jhtml? articleID=209401195 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 The Domain Name System (DNS) is responsible for translating host names to IP addresses (and vice versa) and is critical for the normal operation of internet-connected systems. DNS cache poisoning (sometimes referred to as cache pollution) is an attack technique that allows an attacker to introduce forged DNS information into the cache of a caching nameserver. DNS cache poisoning is not a new concept; in fact, there are published articles that describe a number of inherent deficiencies in the DNS protocol and defects in common DNS implementations that facilitate DNS cache poisoning. The following are examples of these deficiencies and defects: Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A glorious victory
You rock!!! It isn't often when you are able to out do the planning dept. Crow...Man...Crow!!! --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] A glorious victory To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 12:00 AM lol coolness marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] A glorious victory Just got back from a county commission meeting. We appealed conditions placed on a conditional use permit for a new tower. They wanted us to provide a full acre of fall protection clearance around the tower (leased land). That acre would be conveyed to the county. They wanted the parcel fenced, and landscaped. And the provision that no other development could ever be done there. This was for a 100 foot lattice tower in the middle of a cow pasture. I argued equal protection, I showed were they have never made us do this any other location. I told them I wanted the cows to graze under the tower. We argued telecom act and the inapplicability of the ordinance cited. I told them that they should require the local power company to have a clear fall zone around every power pole. The commissioners struck all the conditions. The planning guy was trying at the end to insert elements from the contract between us and the rancher. I objected to anything from that contract being read into the record for that proceeding. They shut him down on that too. The planner is a new guy, just graduated from college in May as a planner or some such thing. Our CUP was one of the first things he did. I tried to reason with him early in the process but he had to strut his stuff. So his stuff got rolled into a very tight tube and forcefully hammered into an orfice. I think I will go out on the back porch and crow a little. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
That is what they make Dragonwave for . - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing. We have BW from $6 to $14/meg in this area. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that difference. Well, at least not around here. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is what they make Dragonwave for . - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing. We have BW from $6 to $14/meg in this area. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing. We have BW from $6 to $14/meg in this area. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here. Saving 2-3K per month pays off a Dragonwave pretty quickly. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that difference. Well, at least not around here. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is what they make Dragonwave for . - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing. We have BW from $6 to $14/meg in this area. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We have an official definition of a wisp. It was part of what we had to define in order for a person/company to be a principal member. Without knowing what Jack's up to, I imagine the more important part would be how does the FCC define a WISP. They probably have some big flowery thing that boils down to someone that sends in 477, where more than X percent of their customers are in the fixed-wireless category. X is probably higher than 50%, but beyond that it's all guessing. Anyone know whether the FCC makes available a more complete breakdown of the 477 data, beyond the one really simple thirty-page report they put out twice a year? Data broken down by a state or even ZIP level. Something that will make Excel weep. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing. We have BW from $6 to $14/meg in this area. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
Single or multiple hop(s)? Is a 60 mile single hop possible? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here. Saving 2-3K per month pays off a Dragonwave pretty quickly. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that difference. Well, at least not around here. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is what they make Dragonwave for . - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing. We have BW from $6 to $14/meg in this area. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
