Re: [WISPA] Looking for some...

[Blair Davis via Wireless]

  
  
Thanks... 

Streakwave is out of stock and will not get any more.  They have
  a bunch of panels in Utah, but someone already bought them last
  summer and is paying Streakwave to store them... For almost a year
  now...

Microcom is by the pallet of 25 only...  In the L. A. area...  If
  I haven't found smaller quantities by WISPAPALOOZA I'll look into
  getting some out there...
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On 7/20/2020 9:37 PM, RickG wrote:


  
  https://www.microcom.us/smsp260wdcus.html
https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SM-SP-260W-DCUS 
 

  
  
  
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:18
  PM Blair Davis via Wireless <wireless@wispa.org>
  wrote:

SunMax
  Solar Panels...
  
  SM-SP-260W-DC-US
  
  New or used...
  
  Within 500-600 miles of Grand Rapids.
  
  Need 6+
  
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[WISPA] Looking for some...

[Blair Davis via Wireless]

SunMax Solar Panels...

SM-SP-260W-DC-US

New or used...

Within 500-600 miles of Grand Rapids.

Need 6+

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Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

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President to address the nation at 9PM eastern about the
  administrations current actions and additional new response(s) to
  virus.
Announced at 7PM on FNC.
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On 3/11/2020 1:58 PM, Sean Heskett via
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  I’m sorry folks but this conference really should
be canceled for the safety of everyone.
  
  
  Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision
yesterday to pull out.
  
  
  I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s
finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure
WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members
to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.
  
  
  
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

  
  
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw


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[WISPA] FAA to effectively outlaw low cost drones and hobbyist RC aircraft

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If you use a drone for... Well, anything you might want to read the link 
below and then comment on the FAA website...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/02/new-faa-drone-rule-is-a-giant-middle-finger-to-aviation-hobbyists/

Comments due Monday.

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[WISPA] Used rocket M2

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Anybody got any used UBNT rocket M2 they would like to get rid of?

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[WISPA] Looking to buy...

[Blair Davis via Wireless]

used Mimosa B5, B5c, B5-Lite

used RouterBoard 433, 433AH, 433GL

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[WISPA] testing

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A quick test...   18:20 17JUN2019

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[WISPA] VOTE!!

[Blair Davis]

Members, if you haven't got a Ballot Submitted E-mail back from election 
buddy yet... Why not?


Time to vote!


Ballot submitted: WISPA - 2018 Board of Directors Election


Thank you for submitting your ballot for *WISPA — 2018 Board of 
Directors Election* on *August 2, 2018 at 6:03 pm Eastern Time (US & 
Canada)*. Your voter verification code is x and is used only 
in the case of an election challenge or vote audit to guarantee your 
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[WISPA] Looking to buy...

[Blair Davis]

M900 Rockets

Dual Pol 900MHz antennas

Prefer within 400 miles of Michigan to do an in person pickup but 
willing to ship Rockets from further away...

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[WISPA] Test

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Test

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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing rope

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Lee at Tower One can hook you up.
That is where we got ours.

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On 6/22/2018 6:37 PM, David Funderburk
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  We need more rope for a job on a 250 ft tower.   What rope do
you recommend and where can I get a good price?
  

  Regards,
  
  David Funderburk
  GlobalVision
  864-569-0703
  
  For Technical Support, please email gv-supp...@globalvision.net.
  
   
  
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[WISPA] Looking to buy....

[Blair Davis]

UBNT M365 gear.

Midwest, (500 miles or less from Michigan) preferred as I'd rather come 
get them...

Blair


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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

[Blair Davis]

No Omni's!

65deg max antenna beam pattern?

That kills all the consumer gear right there...  And cell phones.

And kills the Cable Co hanging PoP's.

NN... with the License # REQUIRED for a distributor to sell gear... With 
penalty's... say 200% of the gear sold without a license?

How about the gear has to be unlocked, like Mimosa, but also requires 
your NN license number to unlock and register...

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On 6/7/2017 5:38 PM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is it possible that it can be used for only PTMP / PTP and NOT consumer use 
> (i.e., wireless routers)? Thats my major complaint right now. My hilltop APs 
> see hundreds of comcast/xfinity APs along with everyones netgear home router.
>
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 14:34, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>> For 6Ghz it would likely be a coordinated system similar to the SAS system 
>> planned for CBRS but without the ESC portion.  The coordination from the SAS 
>> would protect existing users and links.  I would expect to see a 
>> professional installer requirement similar to CBRS rules.   Part 101 is a 
>> small part of the potentially available spectrum between 5900 and 7200.   
>> There are plenty of other users that would need to be protected as well.  
>> Whatever happens here isn't going to be true unlicensed spectrum.
>>
>> My question earlier was more general than just the 6Ghz space.   There are 
>> other frequency bands can be looked at for PTMP that can make use of a SAS 
>> type of system to allow multiple uses of currently underutilized spectrum, 
>> but they all have some form of incumbent.  The TV Whitespace rules are 
>> largely useless because the NAB tried so hard to protect its turf that the 
>> rules make it very difficult to use for PTMP.I don't believe we should 
>> be shutting down anything that can get us more PTMP space but should instead 
>> be supporting proposals that protect what we have while finding additional 
>> ways to reach customers.
>>
>> Mark Radabaugh
>> Amplex
>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>> Luckey, OH 43447
>> 419-261-5996
>>
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

 On 6/7/17 11:44, David Jones wrote:
 If its to be part 15 how will the 6ghz be protected? don't we now have
 problems in the DFS from people who don't know or don't care?
>>>
>>> I still want to able to coordinate new part 101 6GHz links. That band
>>> should not be removed from the box of tools WISPs have for licensed links.
>>>
>>> ~Seth
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[WISPA] Looking for a switch...

[Blair Davis]

Looking for a good rack mount unmanaged switch with at least thirty (30) 
10/100/1000 ports and at least 1 SPF optical port for 1G.

Don't need or want POE or any special features not listed above.

Vendors, feel free to email me a link...

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Re: [WISPA] Yet another test

[Blair Davis]

Most recent test involved changing my email address on wispa.org to a 
gmail address...  And it still doesn't work...

So I have informed Arielle and Gary and wait for the next step

As far as I know, Spam Assassin doesn't delete mail, it just marks it...

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On 4/5/2017 9:07 PM, Grand Avenue Broadband wrote:
> Maybe your email server is rejecting mail from wispa.org.  Maybe it uses a 
> blackhole list that is listing wispa's SMTP server.  I get this behavior all 
> the time (but in the other direction — a lot of hosts won't take mail from 
> our shared hosting provider).
>
>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 4:01 PM, Blair Davis <the...@wmwisp.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you.  Continuing to troubleshoot...
>>
>> Starting to think that @wispa.org can't find my email server...
>>
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>> On 4/5/2017 6:34 PM, Grand Avenue Broadband wrote:
>>> Just letting you know that what you are SENDING is still showing up.
>>>
>>>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Blair Davis <the...@wmwisp.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seems I am getting nothing from any @wispa.org mailing list...
>>>>
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[WISPA] And yet another try...

[Blair Davis]

I know mine are getting to the list, trying to figure out why none of 
them are making it back to me...


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Re: [WISPA] Yet another test

[Blair Davis]

Thank you.  Continuing to troubleshoot...

Starting to think that @wispa.org can't find my email server...

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> Just letting you know that what you are SENDING is still showing up.
>
>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Blair Davis <the...@wmwisp.net> wrote:
>>
>> Seems I am getting nothing from any @wispa.org mailing list...
>>
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[WISPA] Yet another test

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Seems I am getting nothing from any @wispa.org mailing list...


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[WISPA] Testing again

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I am testing to several lists to try to find out where my messages are 
being lost...


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[WISPA] test

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testing


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[WISPA] Lost the ad!

[Blair Davis]

I was looking at an ad from Link Tech on the list here and lost it  
About enclosures...

Could somebody who still has it forward it to me?

Thanks


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Re: [WISPA] Charge for remote thermostat?

[Blair Davis]

  
  
$9 per month
128Kb/s max
2GByte cap.
They pay full price for install and buy equipment.
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On 1/18/2017 6:53 AM, Mark Radabaugh
  wrote:


  
  We have a $5/mo vacation hold plan with no internet, and a $10/mo
  vacation monitoring plan that provides 256k.    It’s enough for
  the guys who want to look at a photo once in a while or check an
  alarm system / thermostat.
  
  
  We limit either plan to less than 6 months/year -
you have to be on a ‘normal’ plan the rest of the time.
  
  
  We used to let them suspend it for no charge but
that caused issues with us ‘forgetting’ the customer even
existed.  By having a charge for the suspended service we notice
if/when they stop paying.
  
  
  Mark
  

  
  



  
On Jan 17, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Jon Langeler
  
  wrote:


  Customer wants to have control of their
thermostat and heading south for 3-6 months. I'm
guessing they want a $5/mo connection. Suggestions on
how to handle or charge for this?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Hey Jamie,
I got our tickets to Monday night, but I keep getting more RSVP
  things...
Are they just going out to everybody?  Is having the tickets
  enough?
Blair
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On 9/29/2016 4:20 PM, Jaime Fink wrote:


  
  Mimosa's open event where we'll cover all our new things and
talk multipoint will be Monday 2-4PM at the Rio, Palma Room, no
RSVP needed. 
  
  
  Booze is officially separate from business ;)
  
  
  Jaime
  
On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

  
  

  Ok. That as one way to ask the question. Lol
  
On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:30, Gino Villarini 
wrote:

  
  

  Wheres the booze  
  
  
  

  From: 
  on behalf of Josh Luthman 
  
  
  

  

   
  Gino Villarini

  
  
President
  
  
Metro Office
Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico
00968
  

  
  
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  General List 
  Date: Thursday,
  September 29, 2016 at 3:25 PM
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  General List 
  Subject: Re:
  [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA




  
Those are just training, I think he's
  after the typical Ubnt Cambium and Mimosa
  announcement deals.

  

  


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
  
  On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at
3:23 PM, Trina Coffey 
  
wrote:

  All of the events that I was made aware of are
  listed here:
  http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training
  
  
  Respectfully,
  
  Trina Coffey
  Director of Operations
  WISPA
  260-622-5775 direct
  866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US
  only)
  530-227-6696 cell
  www.wispa.org
  
  Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA!!
  

  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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  On
  Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:37 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
  
  Is there a list of events happening during
  the show?  Like I believe Monday
  several vendors have some events going on,
  or the events happening in the
  evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] Marina Hotspot Setup

[Blair Davis]

  
  
We have several resorts and campgrounds and a fairground running
  UniFi AP's with  MT Hotspot / UserManager as the controller.
Works well for us.
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On 9/20/2016 1:50 PM, Eagle One
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Looking for some input. When we bought our
  wireless company we inherited a hotspot at a marina. We had to
  manually put in mac addresses in the AP’s in the beginning. It
  was brutal. So few years ago I found Chillifire.net and
  started using them with custom firmware for Rocket M2.
It really a lot of trouble because is there
  is issue they are in New Zealand so we might be down or having
  issues for couple days. Since its custom firmware I cant get
  much help.
Anyway fast forward to now. I was wondering
  what some of you are using at marinas? Ultimately this place
  doesn’t bring in much money as there is only a couple handfuls
  of customers that are there all the time. So I don’t want to
  spend a ton.
My other issue is coverage. That’s my
  biggest complaint there now. We have 1 AP on each covered
  dock. I have a total of 5 2.4 Aps in a small area and noise is
  an issue as well.
 
Have any of you tried the Outdoor Unifi
  with hotspot? If so how are your results?
 
They are only setup to get 4Mb each
I will attach a crude map of what it looks
  like as well.
We have a Rocket M5 at tower with sector.
  Each dock currently has a loco m5 feeding it. Rocket M2 with
  UBNT Omni on the dock. We also tried UBNT Sector and shot
  straight down dock but it didn’t help much really. Docks all
  have metal roof.
 
 
Thanks,
 
Kevin Melson
Eagle One Wireless\PC Station
1801 S Harper Rd
Suite 4A
Corinth, MS 38834
662-287-1722
e...@e1w.com
www.e1w.com
 
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I can't say much more that this, but on a similar front, some movie
and live theaters are moving toward making the viewing area into a
Faraday Cage...  

I expect to see it on a business level soon.  I've already been
asked about it...

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On 1/6/2015 5:53 PM, l...@mwtcorp.net
  wrote:


  On Tue, 6 Jan 2015 16:27:13 -0600 (CST)
  Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

  
A WISP doesn't own (or lease) everywhere. A company owns or leases their corporate space. 

If a Russian or Chinese spy snuck a MiFi into Lockheed Skunkworks and somehow passed their other forms of security, you'd be 
okay with them chugging away uploading whatever they found? 


  
  
If I tried to climb over the fence into a secure Lockheed facility I run the very real risk of being shot! humor Surely your not
asserting that you have the same right when someone climbs over your back fence /humor. When National Security is asserted the
rules change.

The FCC has a history of being fairly draconian when they smell "harmful interference". (I've always guessed it's personal
to them because your playing with their toys. ;-)
It's always a bad idea to expect to reason with a bureaucrat. It's either OK or not. It's all in the book.
If you have a very deep back pocket you can try and get it in front of a judge and argue the merits but they
tend to defer to the regulators.

Larry Ash

  



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- Original Message -

From: "Dennis Burgess" dmburg...@linktechs.net 
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:09:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection 



While I understand your reasoning, I would disagree. If you could do this, for the security of a WISP, we will shut down all 
Access Points via Deauth attack that my Access Points can see. Also note, I am not talking for the FCC, but for what I believe is 
right, in this case, you can’t own a location or area of the wifi bands, therefore, you can’t cause harmful interference, and a 
deauth attack would be harmful, and interference. 

I can agree that you can detect it and shut it off on a port on your network, but you should not be able to interfere with other 
operations, regardless if it is your property or not. Maybe that’s not the intent from those actions, but it’s clear that if it’s 
not on your network then you can’t do much about it. Now, if they are on your property, sure you can tell them to turn it off or 
leave, but that’s another issue. lol 


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:02 PM 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection 


There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the fact that they're charging for Internet access is brought up 
every time the deauthing activity is. 

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf 

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf 

In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott charged for Internet (and a lot at that). 

"Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent users from connecting to the Internet via their own personal 
Wi-Fi networks when these users did not pose a threat to the security of the Gaylord Opryland network or its guests." 

Sounds like security is a viable defense. 



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- Original Message -


From: "Dennis Burgess"  dmburg...@linktechs.net  
To: "WISPA General List"  wireless@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:43:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection 
You cannot do it at all…. 


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. 
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:06 AM 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection 


You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing it to force people to give them money. A company doing it 
has plenty of other reasons. 



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From: "Dennis Burgess"  dmburg...@linktechs.net  
To: "WISPA General List"  wireless@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection 
Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I 
think due to it. 


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. 
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Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol....

[Blair Davis]

Mee too!!

...Put your helmet on.

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to Major Tom

Sorry, the song's been in my head since this thread popped up.

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*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:07 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project

Didn't they change the provisioning mechanism in aircontrol 2? I 
thought they had moved from SSH to something that was supposed to be 
more efficient.




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[wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds 
[j...@spitwspots.com]

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:56 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project

I've done a bit of work previously to reverse engineering the 
provisioning mechanism, and I see nothing that would be a problem 
collecting stats via that method. You'd still have to use 
groundcontrol to initially connect/provision the units first to 
exchange SSH keys, and you'd want it to be on a different ip that your 
previous aircontrol server.


A nasty thing about ubnt provisioning... if you replace the server on 
the same ip or a different ip, all of the radios that were previously 
provisioned will always try to connect to the old ip/server, which 
causes quite a bit of arp traffic.


 one thing I'd like to do is create a cleanup tool for that, 
though pssh (parallel ssh) + wireshark helped me clean up that mess 
manually in the past.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  http://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/03/2014 11:09 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:

Would it pay to see if UBNT would allow us to continue to use some
of the provisioning mechanisms built into the radios for
aircontrol?  It's nice to have subscriber units phone home.

On 12/3/2014 12:39 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I was wondering if that might come about. Maybe another wisp that uses

their own software might offer something.

  


Mike Hammett wrote:

Further driven by today's post that summed up says, We don't care

what you want. This is what you get.

  

  

  


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*From: *Josh Reynoldsj...@spitwspots.com  
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*To: *WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org  
mailto:wireless@wispa.org, Ubiquiti Users

Groupubnt_us...@wispa.org  
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*Sent: *Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:19:23 PM

*Subject: *[WISPA] groundcontrol project

  


For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new

project yesterday.

  


https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol

  


Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2.

  


We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server,

and several people have decided to volunteer time to make this 
happen.

  


The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a

possibly paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar to

observium where the is a community (free as in beer) version that

comes out every 6mo or so, and a paid version with newer features

and direct support. We're not sure yet, but we want to make this

project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral.

  


If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation,

ideas, etc.it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and

for the WISP community. Thank you!

-- 


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Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts

[Blair Davis]

And, if one NEVER allows incoming or outgoing ACH or debit, it is 
trivial to defend against them when someone does attack your account.


My bank knows that neither have ever been allowed on any of my accounts...

We have never used ACH or debit since being screwed by PreyPal back in 2001.

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On 11/25/2014 11:02 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

On 11/25/2014 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Who are you writing checks to and why aren't you doing something better?

I haven't written a check in years.




One of my Interisle partners is a financial-IT expert, and knows the 
banking system inside and out.  He designed the network for Wall 
Street twice, most recently after a rather sudden massive failure 
event in September of 2001... but he doesn't do much finance work any 
more.  The industry has gotten too distasteful. We prefer that our 
major clients pay by check.  The partnership distributes member 
payments (e.g., my pay) by check.  Why not electronically? Because he 
knows the system too well. It turns out that if you open your account 
to make ACH payments, it's trivially easy for someone to take an 
unauthorized payment.  A personal account has 30 or 60 days to catch 
it and undo it, but a business account has two days.  So if somebody 
literally robs you via ACH, you're out the money if you're not 
checking it daily. Corporations with dedicated finance staffs can do 
that; small businesses like us (four partners, no staff) can't.  
Similarly, the cost of electronic payroll-type payments is way too 
high for a small business.


It is insane that the major automation to the US banking system 
(Europe is ahead of us) is to use scanners to pass around pictures of 
checks electronically.  But the system works pretty well for handling 
checks, so once you leave that paradigm, it gets funky fast.  So we 
print checks.  And I then write checks out of my own business account, 
both to pay myself and to pay rent and a few other business expenses.

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Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

[Blair Davis]

I'm gonna respectfully say that, from the inside, being told 'That not 
one of our clients, don't worry about how long the repair lasts.'  and 
'Why should we bother to put a DSLAM out there?  It's only gonna get 
used up by them anyway.' and 'That pair of T1's is more than enough to 
feed that subdivision...  They aren't our users anyway.' and lots more 
similar comments in the trenches tend to make me somewhat skeptical of that.


I won't say that it may not have been a part of it.  I will say, that as 
the workers saw it,  when forced to give away their bread n butter, they 
rightly felt that it wasn't their problem anymore. When I refer to 
workers, I mean anyone who would have been CWA or equivalent.  I'll even 
include lower management.


Prior to Judge Greene, there was an /'esprit de corps'/ among the people 
of the Bell System.  It persisted under Ameritec... for a while.  By the 
time SBC was trying to become ATT all over again, it was gone.  And 
when SBC became att, the employees, as far as I could see, didn't give 
a damn any more.  It became more 'Good enough to get paid.  By the time 
that becomes a problem, I'll be somewhere else...' .  Prior to that, 
people expected to be working on and using the plant forever.  When they 
fixed something, the fix was intended to last longer that the original.


Mary left after 28 years because the culture was gone.  She no longer 
liked working there.


--




//
On 11/22/2014 12:13 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

On 11/21/2014 7:39 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

Just and reasonable...  Give me a break.

There is a reason the carriers let the POTS network decay...  My 
wife, before she died, spent 28 years with Michigan Bell... From 
before Judge Greene, thru Ameritec and then SBC.  She saw this from 
the inside.


Because they were forced to allow others to use their wired plant at 
prices below the cost of maintenance, let alone upgrades.




That was the Bell party line, for public consumption, but it wasn't true.

Section 251 (sections of the Communications Act, 47 USC, beginning 
with 2 are in Title II) has the rules for demonopolization of PSTN 
carriers.  They had a de jure monopoly; they still have a natural 
monopoly on mass-market services.  So they have facilities that are a 
necessary inpu to competitive providers. They built their networks 
using rate of return regulation and de jure monopoly status 
(essentially a guarantee of profit) and that put them at the 24 mile 
line in the competitive marathon.


Section 251 says that ILECs specifically and uniquely have to provide 
unbundled network elements at forward-looking cost.  Just what cost 
is is not a simple answer.  Cost is not price.  Cost can be embedded 
direct cost, fully distributed (various methods), long-run 
incremental, total service long-run incremental, total element 
long-run incremental, etc.  Lots of room to argue cost, and that was a 
lot of fun back in the rate case days, to do cost studies and argue 
over details.


Non-ILECs have fewer obligations than ILECs.  There is a separate 
fundamental right of common carriage if a company is deemed a common 
carrier, but the just and reasonable standard is generally enforced 
only to what I call a shocks the conscience level.  No formulas, 
just don't horribly offend the Commission. It is very rarely invoked.


The Bells stopped maintaining their plant because in 1992-1993, they 
transitioned from rate of return regulation to price cap (alternate 
form of) regulation.  Under rate of return, their total profit was a 
percentage (11.25% return was the last number, still in use) of their 
rate base (undepreciated capital plant). So the investment was to 
invest heavily; investing in rural areas paid really well because the 
high cost would be recoverable from urban monopoly ratepayers.  Under 
AFOR, though, some basic service prices are capped but not profits, so 
they could increase profits by reducing costs.  And they sure did!  
AFOR was met by massive layoffs and a general decline in maintenance.  
Accountants running companies devalue the future, so disinvestment 
look good to short term profits, and CEOs live for quarterly bonuses, 
which are not based on how they position the company for 10 years 
out.  Well, 20 years of AFOR and the chickens have come home to 
roost.  The plant is very heavily depreciated, not maintained, and the 
parent companies have put their capital into wireless, which has been 
more profitable lately.  Such is deregulation, helping turn the USA 
into a third world country while rentiers take the money and run.


Do you want to be forced to allow other to use your wireless 
network?  And have your costs and reimbursements determined by 
bureaucrats?




This would not apply to WISPs even in the unlikely event that WISPs 
were covered by Title II (which I've strongly opposed). They were 
never common carriers, and WISP plant is generally not suited for it.  
(There are wireless common carriers, and you could create

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

[Blair Davis]

Just and reasonable...  Give me a break.

There is a reason the carriers let the POTS network decay...  My wife, 
before she died, spent 28 years with Michigan Bell...  From before Judge 
Greene, thru Ameritec and then SBC.  She saw this from the inside.


Because they were forced to allow others to use their wired plant at 
prices below the cost of maintenance, let alone upgrades.


Do you want to be forced to allow other to use your wireless network?  
And have your costs and reimbursements determined by bureaucrats?


Title II, if forced on the small wisps, will kill us.

--
On 11/21/2014 6:19 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

On 11/21/2014 5:47 PM, Drew Lentz wrote:
So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some 
point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some 
pretty good arguments on each. This article made me think about it 
all a little differently:


http://www.netcompetition.org/congress/the-multi-billion-dollar-impact-of-fcc-title-ii-broadband-for-google-entire-internet-ecosystem

To Fred's point, the article mentions:
That's because of the way the law and the forbearance provision are 
written; they apparently do not allow for any immaculate ruling where 
the FCC somehow rules the service and carrier of Internet traffic are 
regulated, but not the Internet traffic itself that is precisely what 
defines the service and carrier.




The article is pure garbage.  Read the January ruling of the DC 
Circuit.  It was quite clear that the Computer II framework was 
legal.  And the Telecom Act was meant to memorialize that, not 
overturn it.  The Computer II framework very explicitly held that the 
basic carrier function was regulated while the higher-layer 
enhanced traffic was not.  The reason the FCC keeps getting in 
trouble is that they don't want restore that working model, since it 
would hurt some carriers' fee-fees.


The idea that Title II requires metered pricing makes less sense than 
the average diarrhea that comes from Louis Gohmerts' tuchus. The .0007 
rate is for termination of local telephone calls; it has nothing to do 
with bits or data services.  Whoever wrote the article is either a) an 
utter ignoramus; b) an utterly contemptible liar, or c) both.


There are all sorts of reasons why Title II would break the Internet.  
But applied to the access layer, it would simply mean that ISPs could 
lease DSL for a certain price per line per month, and perhaps a 
certain number of cents per gigabit, but that price would have to be 
just and reasonable in light of its actual cost to provision.


Oh, and Scott Cleland is now a lobbyist for the Bells, a professional 
liar who used to pretend to be an industry analyst for the Wall 
Street crowd, but who always shilled for the Bells.


Anyhow, not trying to beat a dead horse, but this got me questioning 
things :) Have a great weekend y'all!


-drew

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com 
mailto:d...@drewlentz.com wrote:


So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some
point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some
pretty good arguments on each. This article made me think about
it all a little differently:




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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Blair Davis]

Maybe we should give it to them?

:P

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On 11/14/2014 1:33 PM, Aaron D. Osgood wrote:

Perhaps the Spanish want it back?

;-)


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 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
Date: Fri, November 14, 2014 1:29 pm
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org

I assume the spaniards or mexicans put that name on that town...
when California was under latin rule



Gino A. Villarini
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From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com mailto:pcurn...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 2:20 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

There is a running debate in CA as to which came first, the town
or the translation. :')

Phil

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish...



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
mailto:jtho...@quarnet.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service

Looking for 10 meg

1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
Manteca, CA 95337

/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/

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Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question....

[Blair Davis]

Set your device for 220-240VAC  Many devices have a switch on the power 
supply for this.  Some devices simply have an input range of 100-250VAC.

Tie your device hot to leg 1
Tie your device neutral to leg 2
Tie your device ground to the neutral/ground of the power outlet.

Can you post a picture of the outlet and of the power cord recptical on 
your device?


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On 11/6/2014 2:40 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:

Ok...  sorry to beat this horse but I'm apparently not following you.
There are three lugs my shiny new male plug has.
1-120v leg1 from single phase source
2-120v leg2 from single phase source
3- Neutral wire which bonds to ground at building main panel from 
power company.

Cloud Core has three wires feeding the power supply.
1-120v leg (1 or 2) from single phase source
2-Neutral
3-Ground
A) I completely understand how I can take a single 120v wire from leg1 
or leg2 of the power source and then take the neutral to both neutral 
and ground of the router power supply and make this work - thats easy 
- but not code.
B) I also understand how I could take a neutral, a ground and one hot 
wire with voltage anywhere from 110-250v and it will work with cloud 
core power supply. (but not I do not have this configuration at source)
C) I do not understand how you can take two hots and a neutral and 
turn that into anything (just by using a cable) that the router can 
use unless that cable is doing nothing more than what I described 
above in A

Thanks
Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


*From*: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
*Sent*: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:53 AM
*To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question
Here is the info on AC power arrangement
http://www.oempanels.com/what-does-single-and-three-phase-power-mean
The CCR specs show it having :
Dualpowersuppliesforredundancy,110-250Vinput,IECconnectors
which means that, you can use either 110 or 220 or 240 on the same 
power supply.

All you would have to do is match the power cables...
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


*From: *Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:55:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question
Cloud core.  There is a difference between having a hot (80-250v),
a neutral and a ground, vs. a neutral and two 120v hots.  I
believe the router can handle more than 120v but not in the sense
that its being delivered on two 120v legs with a neutral and no
ground.  Its a 3 prong twist lock type receptacle.  If there is a
way I'd like to be educated (aside from pulling one of the hots
and hooking the neutral to ground as well on my new non-code
engineered power cable.  Educate me.
I think I'm just going to plug it into the normal 120v 20amp plug
on the wall behind the rack though, seems like the best way
forward considering the options I was just trying to accommodate
the customers request prior to plan B.
Thanks
Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
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*From*: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
*Sent*: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:21 PM
*To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question

Everything can use 240 now days probably just need a new power cord

On Nov 5, 2014 12:10 PM, Bob M lakel...@gbcx.net
mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

Keep in mind that it is breakered for 240. Splitting the legs
after a 240 vac  circuit breaker is not code.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com mailto:br...@tekify.com
Date:11/05/2014 12:00 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question
Tim,

In most cases you can split the hot leads on the 240v outlet
into two 120v circuits. There are adapter pigtails for this if
you don't want to hardware it.

From memory, our local hardware store sells these (in the US).

A quick Google search revealed this:

http://www.wayfair.com/Champion-Power-Equipment-Generator-Y-Adapter-for-Champion-Power-Equipment-48035-L771-K~CXP1067.html?refid=GX50899353420-CXP1067device=cptid=75696510540gclid=CJ_Fktv348ECFUdffgod3z4ANw

Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question....

[Blair Davis]

I've never had a problem doing this.  While I see the theoretical issues 
you state, in practice it works.

The issue you are describing is caused by a defective outlet or wiring 
job.   While it happens, it is no more or less likely than your 117VAC 
outlet having the same issue with it's ground.   If you assume every 
outlet is defective, then you will need isolation transformers everywhere...

US 3 prong 240VAC outlets are wired as hot/hot/neutral with a strap on 
the device grounding the chassis metal to the neutral as a ground.  This 
was standard.  In most areas, new 240VAC outlets are wired as 4 prong 
hot/hot/neutral/ground and new devices are wired with a 4 prong cord. 
Most devices can have a 3 prong cord installed by following the device 
instructions.

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On 11/6/2014 7:00 PM, l...@mwtcorp.net wrote:
 On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:19:44 -0500
  Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 Set your device for 220-240VAC  Many devices have a switch on the
 power supply for this.  Some devices simply have an input range of
 100-250VAC.
 Tie your device hot to leg 1
 Tie your device neutral to leg 2
 Tie your device ground to the neutral/ground of the power outlet.

 Can you post a picture of the outlet and of the power cord recptical
 on your device?


 While this should work in theory you cannot assume that
 neutral and ground are the same. The farther you get from the service
 the greater the possibility that neutral varies from ground, and if
 you have a corroded junction somewhere between your location and the
 bonding point
 you can have significant voltage on neutral. Just try and make digital
 equipment work if your feed 5-10 volts AC in on the ground.

 To do this properly requires an isolation transformer to separately
 derive the source and
 a new bonding point or better yet a four wire source pigtail where
 neutral and ground are
 separately presented on the plug. (Be careful about over current
 protection.)

 I've had to do this in a remote locations with 240 V generator.
 I used a one-to-one isolation transformer with a center tap. The
 primary is connected to
 the two hot legs. The secondary center tap is bonded to earth ground
 and both neutral
 and ground originate at that point. 110 is present on either end of
 the secondary relative
 to the center tap.
 The whole thing has to go to a fuse/breaker box for protection. All in
 all if there is
 service anywhere close it's easier and cheaper to hire an electrician
 to drop a 110
 receptacle close by. Fires and/or electrocuted kids/pets are a PR
 problem of the first order.

 Larry Ash
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 --




 On 11/6/2014 2:40 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
 Ok...  sorry to beat this horse but I'm apparently not following you.
 There are three lugs my shiny new male plug has.
 1-120v leg1 from single phase source
 2-120v leg2 from single phase source
 3- Neutral wire which bonds to ground at building main panel from
 power company.
 Cloud Core has three wires feeding the power supply.
 1-120v leg (1 or 2) from single phase source
 2-Neutral
 3-Ground
 A) I completely understand how I can take a single 120v wire from
 leg1 or leg2 of the power source and then take the neutral to both
 neutral and ground of the router power supply and make this work -
 thats easy - but not code.
 B) I also understand how I could take a neutral, a ground and one
 hot wire with voltage anywhere from 110-250v and it will work with
 cloud core power supply. (but not I do not have this configuration
 at source)
 C) I do not understand how you can take two hots and a neutral and
 turn that into anything (just by using a cable) that the router can
 use unless that cable is doing nothing more than what I described
 above in A
 Thanks
 Scott Carullo
 Technical Operations
 855-FLSPEED x102

 

 *From*: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
 *Sent*: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:53 AM
 *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List
 wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question
 Here is the info on AC power arrangement
 http://www.oempanels.com/what-does-single-and-three-phase-power-mean
 The CCR specs show it having :
 Dualpowersuppliesforredundancy,110-250Vinput,IECconnectors
 which means that, you can use either 110 or 220 or 240 on the same
 power supply.
 All you would have to do is match the power cables...
 Regards.
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
 


 *From: *Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:55:36 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question
 Cloud core.  There is a difference between having a hot (80-250v

Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

[Blair Davis]

I don't know, but I am interested in devices that could cache Windows 
update and Apple updates...  But it HAS to be transparent to the end users.


I'd be willing to dedicate hardware and disk space to this  iOS and 
Windows update can often cause major traffic loads...


And, if these updates were stored on a local server at my head end, I'd 
be able to unrestrict traffic to them... making updates run faster... 
looking better in the eyes of my clients...


--
On 10/30/2014 5:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Quick question,

Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and 
DPI devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? Those are 
two entirely different classes of products.


Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote:


It can work on networks not behind a NAT.

http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573

Chris Wright

Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett

*Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



*From: *Chris Wright ch...@velociter.net mailto:ch...@velociter.net
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

Disregard my AFAIK answer. This is the real answer per 
http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/


The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it's 
public IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the 
dns)


Chris Wright

Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On 
Behalf Of *Mike Hammett

*Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of 
these caches running.




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http://www.ics-il.com



*From: *Chris Wright ch...@velociter.net mailto:ch...@velociter.net
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX 
in ESXi (of course it won't be supported by Apple unless it's Apple 
hardware.)


Chris Wright

Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On 
Behalf Of *Paul Conlin

*Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple 
put one of these in?


PC
Blaze Broadband

On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


I don't think many people care about caching servers in this
regard.  The issue  isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all
the APs.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way t...@way.lc
mailto:t...@way.lc wrote:

For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at
Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides
Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything
Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client.
Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content
and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My
day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college.
This has prevented the APPLE DAYS OF DOOM when they release
updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network.

Tim Way

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
paolo.difrance...@level7.it
mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote:

Hello,

it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much
bandwidth you have
(and the experince you want to give to the users)

In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they
(all) try to
improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing
the bandwidth
with their policies that could or could not fit your

[WISPA] Spring show...

[Blair Davis]

When can we sign up for the spring show?

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Re: [WISPA] Spring show...

[Blair Davis]

Thank you... We'll be there...

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On 10/27/2014 3:44 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
 Not yet, the website won't be completed until Trina returns from vacation in
 mid-November.

 Respectfully,

 Rick Harnish
 Executive Director
 WISPA
 260-622-5699 Cell
 866-317-2851 Ext. 101 WISPA Office
 260-622-5774 Direct Line
 Skype: rick.harnish.
 rharn...@wispa.org
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Blair Davis
 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 3:27 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Spring show...

 When can we sign up for the spring show?


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Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams

[Blair Davis]

I've never bothered with the DVR stuff...  just the cams themselves.

All of mine are running 1.1.5 with a script that pushes a .jpg capture 
to an off-site server once a min.


the box of new ones I just looked at have 1.2.0 on them... So, I guess I 
have to see if they can be flashed back to 1.1.5.


--
On 9/26/2014 12:34 AM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:


The newer UVC cams apparently don't have it at all. And the aircam 
beta is currently set to remove it for good. So your good if you never 
update. But what do you do if you need another or RMA? SOL I guess...


I started a thread in the beta forums and called on UBNT to answer for 
there crime and got crickets.


sent from my phone!

On Sep 25, 2014 8:18 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net 
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:


Do you know what firmware version lost RSTP?

Can the newer cams be rolled back to the old firmware or do I need
to return them to my supplier?

If I can't do RSTP directly from the cam, they are mostly useless
to me.

--


On 9/25/2014 5:57 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:


Be careful with UBNT cameras now. They are/have disabled RSTP
completly. So what you have to do now is backhaul your feed to a
Unifi Video server then get your RTSP stream from there. It
changed the game in how we are going to be doing cameras now as
we were taking RTSP streams selectively and directly from the
camera when we wanted the info so we didn't have to waste 5Mbps
per stream at all times to our head ends. Plus they will only
work with Unifi Video which is lame as well.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *LTI - Dennis
Burgess
*Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:37 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams

We use UBNT cameras and MT backhauls, SXTs are cheap: )

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:54 PM, TJ Trout t...@pcguys.us
mailto:t...@pcguys.us wrote:

I use geovision IP cameras, they work great but no wifi options.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

Got a project that requires 10-12 outdoor cams, prefer
wifi units so we can backhaul them in 5 ghz

Any ideas?

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com

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Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams

[Blair Davis]

Have to agree!! Axis is very nice, but they want your blood!

--
On 9/26/2014 12:58 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:


I haven't found a good solution that I like yet. We've used Axis in 
the past, and they are fantastic, but expensive L


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ryan McKenzie

*Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 6:26 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams

Chris,

Wow that is good info.  I had no idea they had removed the RTSP.  And 
I was just about to spec UBNT cams in a project using RTSP.


Have you found a good alternative?

Someone else in this thread mentioned Arecont cams.  Are they cheap 
and provide RTSP?


Thanks,
Ryan McKenzie
385-215-WIFI

On 9/25/14, 10:34 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:

The newer UVC cams apparently don't have it at all. And the aircam
beta is currently set to remove it for good. So your good if you
never update. But what do you do if you need another or RMA? SOL I
guess...

I started a thread in the beta forums and called on UBNT to answer
for there crime and got crickets.

sent from my phone!

On Sep 25, 2014 8:18 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

Do you know what firmware version lost RSTP?

Can the newer cams be rolled back to the old firmware or do I
need to return them to my supplier?

If I can't do RSTP directly from the cam, they are mostly
useless to me.

--

On 9/25/2014 5:57 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:

Be careful with UBNT cameras now. They are/have disabled
RSTP completly. So what you have to do now is backhaul
your feed to a Unifi Video server then get your RTSP
stream from there. It changed the game in how we are going
to be doing cameras now as we were taking RTSP streams
selectively and directly from the camera when we wanted
the info so we didn't have to waste 5Mbps per stream at
all times to our head ends. Plus they will only work with
Unifi Video which is lame as well.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *LTI -
Dennis Burgess
*Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:37 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams

We use UBNT cameras and MT backhauls, SXTs are cheap: )

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:54 PM, TJ Trout t...@pcguys.us
mailto:t...@pcguys.us wrote:

I use geovision IP cameras, they work great but no
wifi options.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

Got a project that requires 10-12 outdoor cams,
prefer wifi units so we can backhaul them in 5 ghz

Any ideas?

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com

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Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams

[Blair Davis]

Do you know what firmware version lost RSTP?

Can the newer cams be rolled back to the old firmware or do I need to 
return them to my supplier?


If I can't do RSTP directly from the cam, they are mostly useless to me.

--


On 9/25/2014 5:57 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:


Be careful with UBNT cameras now. They are/have disabled RSTP 
completly. So what you have to do now is backhaul your feed to a Unifi 
Video server then get your RTSP stream from there. It changed the game 
in how we are going to be doing cameras now as we were taking RTSP 
streams selectively and directly from the camera when we wanted the 
info so we didn't have to waste 5Mbps per stream at all times to our 
head ends. Plus they will only work with Unifi Video which is lame as 
well.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *LTI - Dennis Burgess

*Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:37 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams

We use UBNT cameras and MT backhauls, SXTs are cheap: )

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:54 PM, TJ Trout t...@pcguys.us 
mailto:t...@pcguys.us wrote:


I use geovision IP cameras, they work great but no wifi options.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

Got a project that requires 10-12 outdoor cams, prefer wifi
units so we can backhaul them in 5 ghz

Any ideas?

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com

@aeronetpr

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Re: [WISPA] att-and-verizon-say-10mbps-is-too-fast-for-broadband-4mbps-is-enough

[Blair Davis]

What Fred said.

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On 9/8/2014 5:58 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

On 9/8/2014 5:28 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/09/att-and-verizon-say-10mbps-is-too-fast-for-broadband-4mbps-is-enough/


Ironically, ISTM that would probably be good for WISPs.  If the FCC 
decides that 10 Mbps is the baseline and areas that don't get it 
become eligible for USF subsidies, areas with WISP unsubsidized 
competitors are among those likely to be hit by subsidized new 
entrants (usually ILECs).  4 Mbps isn't spectacular but other than HD 
video, it is adequate for most applications. Some 5 GHz systems can of 
course go faster than 10 Mbps, but it would be a real crunch on 900 
MHz and TVWS networks, low frequencies needed in wooded areas.

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Re: [WISPA] Download of Copyrighted Material - What do you do?

[Blair Davis]

Send a invoice back to the email originator pointing out our charge for 
IP to user lookup, and inform them that it will be forwarded once 
payment has cleared their bank.  Checks only accepted.


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On 8/15/2014 12:40 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
I just forward it on with a note that if they don't know this is going 
on they should investigate it.  If they do I would recommend they use 
an encrypted P2P client or turn on encryption.


Justin


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From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net 
mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
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Date: Thursday, August 14, 2014 at 4:57 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Download of Copyrighted Material - What do you do?

We forward the notice to offending customer and let them know that 
uploading and downloading of copyright content is not allowed. 
Recently we've been getting more notices and several from the same 
people. So I've started suspending the account until they call and 
acknowledge the notice we've sent them.
I'm really not trying to be the bittorrent police. However, when 
someone downloads 56Gb in three days of torrents and doesn't respond 
to the emails. We feel that is a gross waste of network resources and 
want them to understand what they are doing.


Adair



On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Russ Van Vlack 
rvanvl...@freedomnet.com mailto:rvanvl...@freedomnet.com wrote:


WISPA Colleagues,

We are fighting the neverending battle of dealing with the
IP-Echelon notices of copyright infringement and need a more firm
policy in place.  Our acceptable use policy and account terms and
conditions clearly state that these actions are illegal and/or
against company policy, however we do not have a firm course of
action in place in dealing with customers in violation.

Would anyone be willing to share what their company policy is in
regards to these notices?  Especially, if you do anything further
than passing the notice on to the customer?

Thanks.

--Russell Van Vlack


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Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

[Blair Davis]

We have been using it for almost 13 now...

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On 7/31/2014 8:05 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 Yes, we've been doing it for about... 10 years now.

 Josh Reynolds, CIO
 SPITwSPOTS
 www.spitwspots.com

 On 07/31/2014 03:56 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 Josh are you billing your Wisp customer with QuickBooks? I would stop that 
 practice. Get a billing system and keep QuickBooks for AP and GL.

 Steve Barnes
 PCSWIN.com

 -Original Message-
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 Subject: [WISPA] credit card processors

 Who are using for credit card processing, and why? What are your rates?
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testing

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Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

[Blair Davis]

Because NanoStation's, Loco's, Rocket dishes, PowerBridges and NanoBeams 
all have a place depending on what you are doing?


Even AirGrids and Bullets have value for some things

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On 4/28/2014 7:05 PM, timothy steele wrote:
Don't the nano beams come with hose clamps? Why still using the nano 
stations?

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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Joe Fiero joe1...@optonline.net 
mailto:joe1...@optonline.net wrote:


+1

One clamp, about a buck can save many service calls.

Just because they put them in the box, it doesn't mean you have to
use them.  Save them for the wiring and you get money back toward
the hose clamp!

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~
*Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2014 6:19 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

Why not use stainless hose clamps.

NGL

*From:*Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

*Sent:*Monday, April 28, 2014 3:14 PM

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

Those have never seemed like a good idea so I never tried them.

I have a local source for cheap ties - wintronic aka
WinElectric.  For good tower ties I love the TB.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 28, 2014 5:51 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net
mailto:b...@gowasabi.net wrote:

Apologies for the mundane question.  Anyone have a preferred
brand / source for replacements for the ~12 plastic zip ties
that UBNT packages with their AirMax gear?

Zip ties of similar thickness from the usual suspects (e.g.
Home Depot or Lowes) seem to only be 36 or longer, and their
thinner ties embrittle too easily in sunlight.


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Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

[Blair Davis]

Once they switched to the black UV resistant ones I've never had a 
problem with them.


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On 4/28/2014 6:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Those have never seemed like a good idea so I never tried them.

I have a local source for cheap ties - wintronic aka WinElectric.  For 
good tower ties I love the TB.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 28, 2014 5:51 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net 
mailto:b...@gowasabi.net wrote:


Apologies for the mundane question.  Anyone have a preferred brand
/ source for replacements for the ~12 plastic zip ties that UBNT
packages with their AirMax gear?

Zip ties of similar thickness from the usual suspects (e.g. Home
Depot or Lowes) seem to only be 36 or longer, and their thinner
ties embrittle too easily in sunlight.

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Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

[Blair Davis]

But that is exactly the point.  Been waiting for NanoBeam M2 for a while 
now.


Many locations, I don't need the extra gain or wind load.

Others, the Nano or Loco is less intrusive.

I simply see that having more gain choices is good...   In 2.4GHz we now 
have 8,11,18 and 24db in dual polarity, 16 and 20db in single polarity.


I would love to see a NanoBeam in M365.   Here we have 13db for the 
NanoStation, 20 db for the PowerBridg, 21db for the NanoBridge, 26db for 
the RocketDish.  The problem is, the PowerBridge M365 is crazy expensive 
and the NanoBridge M365 looks like cra...


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On 4/28/2014 8:31 PM, timothy steele wrote:
after nanobeam is out for a year or so I don't see why UBNT would 
still push nanostations i'm sure they will make a few for people that 
refuse to switch but after the new firmware comes out with nanobeam I 
don't think anyone will want a NS unless they need 365 or 900



On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net 
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:


Because NanoStation's, Loco's, Rocket dishes, PowerBridges and
NanoBeams all have a place depending on what you are doing?

Even AirGrids and Bullets have value for some things

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On 4/28/2014 7:05 PM, timothy steele wrote:

Don't the nano beams come with hose clamps? Why still using the
nano stations?
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Joe Fiero joe1...@optonline.net
mailto:joe1...@optonline.net wrote:

+1

One clamp, about a buck can save many service calls.

Just because they put them in the box, it doesn't mean you
have to use them.  Save them for the wiring and you get money
back toward the hose clamp!

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~
*Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2014 6:19 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

Why not use stainless hose clamps.

NGL

*From:*Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

*Sent:*Monday, April 28, 2014 3:14 PM

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

Those have never seemed like a good idea so I never tried
them.

I have a local source for cheap ties - wintronic aka
WinElectric.  For good tower ties I love the TB.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 28, 2014 5:51 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net
mailto:b...@gowasabi.net wrote:

Apologies for the mundane question.  Anyone have a
preferred brand / source for replacements for the ~12
plastic zip ties that UBNT packages with their AirMax gear?

Zip ties of similar thickness from the usual suspects
(e.g. Home Depot or Lowes) seem to only be 36 or longer,
and their thinner ties embrittle too easily in sunlight.


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Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

[Blair Davis]

That's it.  I don't use 5GHz for last mile.  Only backhaul.  Too many trees.

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On 4/28/2014 9:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I can't think of a place for the PowerBridge. Just get an antenna with 
an integrated enclosure and put the Rocket inside. That likely costs 
you less, cheaper to replace and has 5.4 GHz.




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*From: *Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, April 28, 2014 7:23:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

Because NanoStation's, Loco's, Rocket dishes, PowerBridges and 
NanoBeams all have a place depending on what you are doing?


Even AirGrids and Bullets have value for some things

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On 4/28/2014 7:05 PM, timothy steele wrote:

Don't the nano beams come with hose clamps? Why still using the
nano stations?
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Joe Fiero joe1...@optonline.net
mailto:joe1...@optonline.net wrote:

+1

One clamp, about a buck can save many service calls.

Just because they put them in the box, it doesn't mean you
have to use them. Save them for the wiring and you get money
back toward the hose clamp!

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~
*Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2014 6:19 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

Why not use stainless hose clamps.

NGL

*From:*Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

*Sent:*Monday, April 28, 2014 3:14 PM

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

Those have never seemed like a good idea so I never tried
them.

I have a local source for cheap ties - wintronic aka
WinElectric.  For good tower ties I love the TB.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 28, 2014 5:51 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net
mailto:b...@gowasabi.net wrote:

Apologies for the mundane question.  Anyone have a
preferred brand / source for replacements for the ~12
plastic zip ties that UBNT packages with their AirMax gear?

Zip ties of similar thickness from the usual suspects
(e.g. Home Depot or Lowes) seem to only be 36 or longer,
and their thinner ties embrittle too easily in sunlight.


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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Blair Davis]

Well, here, my power company simply says the equipment must be approved 
under these two standards...  I have to show them the inverter and it's 
nameplate.

I put in my own transfer switch and generator.

Oddly enough, around here, as long as I am only working on MY property, 
I seem to be able to do most anything.

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 And the certified Labor...  Remember that your grid-tie must be done by
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 On 04/18/2014 09:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
 The challenge is still the grid-tie inverter, which at this point may
 actually be more expensive than the panels themselves.   But the whole
 thing is definitely on my short list of home improvement projects.

 -forrest


 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
 mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  I saw $.57 per watt on that site...

  $2300 will buy just about 4kW...

  My state is net meter as well.  Forget the the market distorting
  incentive junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense.

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  On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
  Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity:

  http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html

  http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels

  It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider
  putting in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in
  a net metering state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at
  par (up to my annual usage).   1W of panel will generate
  1.7kW/year in my climate, or $0.23cents/year of electricity.   A 5
  year payback is $1.15/watt, not counting all of the incentives.
  Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar local rebate, and
  incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the local
  utility.


  -forrest



  On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
  mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...

  I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.

  At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...

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  On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181
  tel:%28509.982.2181) wrote:
  No.  But I do have a site.
   
  http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of
  stuff.  250 watts for my motorhome.
   
  At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with
  float charging* was around $400.
   
  They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good
  structure to hold them up.  I’ve also had better luck (so
  far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with
  anything else.  I get them from the regional Interstate
  Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of
  new and have a 90 day warranty.
   
  Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.
   
  marlon
   
   
  *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net
  *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
  *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
   
  I'm interested as well.



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  *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
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  *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
  *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

  Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
  customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a
  forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane.
   
  This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together
  a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer
  the price.  I thought I would ask here before reinventing the
  wheel.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Blair Davis]

Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...

I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.

At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...

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No.  But I do have a site.
http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff.  250 
watts for my motorhome.
At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float 
charging* was around $400.
They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to 
hold them up.  I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf 
cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else.  I get them from the 
regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the 
cost of new and have a 90 day warranty.

Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.
marlon
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*Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
I'm interested as well.



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*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  
For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can 
provide service at the end of their lane.
This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of 
Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I 
thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Blair Davis]

I saw $.57 per watt on that site...

$2300 will buy just about 4kW...

My state is net meter as well.  Forget the the market distorting 
incentive junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense.


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On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity:

http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html

http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels

It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting 
in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net 
metering state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to 
my annual usage).   1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my 
climate, or $0.23cents/year of electricity.   A 5 year payback is 
$1.15/watt, not counting all of the incentives.   Aka... 30% federal 
tax rebate, a similar local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt 
($6000maximum) from the local utility.



-forrest



On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net 
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:


Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...

I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.

At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...

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On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181
tel:%28509.982.2181) wrote:

No.  But I do have a site.
http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 
250 watts for my motorhome.

At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float
charging* was around $400.
They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure
to hold them up.  I've also had better luck (so far) with wet
cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else.  I get
them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run
less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty.
Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.
marlon
*From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
I'm interested as well.



-
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*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest
but you can provide service at the end of their lane.
This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a
kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the
price.  I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] FS: RocketDish + Rocket M2s

[Blair Davis]

Where are you/they?

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Re: [WISPA] FS: RocketDish + Rocket M2s

[Blair Davis]

I'm wondering where the seller is...  If in the mid-west, I'm interested...

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On 4/6/2014 2:22 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:

My mistake
I thought I was answering the seller
NGL

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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] FS: RocketDish + Rocket M2s

Where are you/they?

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I have a surplus of Ubiquiti RD-2G24 2ft dishes with Rocket M2s
attached. Used working pulls. $150ea or quantity discount, plus
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Re: [WISPA] FS: RocketDish + Rocket M2s

[Blair Davis]

Besides it's use as poison, I have no idea where Hemlock is...

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On 4/6/2014 2:43 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

Blair,I think Chris is in Hemlock.
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:41 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
I'm wondering where the seller is...  If in the mid-west, I'm 
interested...


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On 4/6/2014 2:22 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
My mistake
I thought I was answering the seller
NGL

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Where are you/they?

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Re: [WISPA] FS: RocketDish + Rocket M2s

[Blair Davis]

Well, then, not to cut anybody out, but I am interested and would come 
with a pickup.  I'm in Allegan, MI.


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On 4/6/2014 2:48 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:


Yep, hemlock mi 48626. Halfaay between saginaw and alma.

On Apr 6, 2014 2:46 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net 
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:


Besides it's use as poison, I have no idea where Hemlock is...

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Blair,I think Chris is in Hemlock.
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:41 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
I'm wondering where the seller is...  If in the mid-west, I'm
interested...

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On 4/6/2014 2:22 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
My mistake
I thought I was answering the seller
NGL

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Where are you/they?

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[WISPA] Advocacy Day

[Blair Davis]

I spoke to Elizabeth at WISPAmerica about the upcoming Advocacy Day but 
all the stuff on the WISPA site is from 2012.

I'm interested in this one...

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

[Blair Davis]

There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you 
describe...

www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php

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On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
 Good Morning Folks!

 Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
 boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
 I cannot remember the name of it.

 Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
 for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
 from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
 provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
 is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
 to their equipment at their home or business.

 Hopefully this makes sense

 Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

[Blair Davis]

It was built in the days of dial-up.  Works ok to about 10M.

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On 3/6/2014 11:29 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
I just loaded that one a few times and managed to get 217Mbps on a 
100Mbit fiber


*217739.688 Kbps*


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net 
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:


There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
describe...

www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
http://www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php

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On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
 Good Morning Folks!

 Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of
the Linux
 boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the
life of me
 I cannot remember the name of it.

 Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically
I'd like
 for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming
bandwidth
 from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
 provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my
equipment
 is providing them with service from this server at the base of
the tower
 to their equipment at their home or business.

 Hopefully this makes sense

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

[Blair Davis]

opps!

Anybody who wants it, send an email to me and I'll send you a zip.

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On 3/6/2014 1:31 PM, Sam wrote:
 Thanks to everyone who's helped with this and offered suggestions! As
 always, you guys are the best!


 On 3/6/2014 12:14, Blair Davis wrote:
 Quite honestly, it has been on my website since 2003.

 I have a zip of the directory it lives in.

 I just opened it up and looked at it.  It appears to be C1999 and C2001
 by WISPA...  under GPL

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 On 3/6/2014 12:39 PM, Robert wrote:
 These can usually be made more accurate for greater bandwidths by giving
 a variety of download file sizes for different pipe sizes..   Usually
 very easy programming...  If you wouldn't mind sharing the source...

 Best,

Robert


 On 03/06/2014 08:25 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
 There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
 describe...

 www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

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Don't think that anything to do with DFS has to make any sense.  It doesn't.

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On 2/14/2014 4:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It seems technically quite easy. Set compliance mode on an older 
device and associate to one that is compliant.


Does DFS certification only apply to AP operations or CPE operations 
as well? I'm guessing the former. If that's the case, UBNT hasn't done 
the paperwork to get them certified as CPE either, but should be a lot 
easier as they don't need to pass all of the other business. Also, 
that makes more sense...  that your AP control what happens in a given 
area.




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*From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Cc: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 3:31:32 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 
frequencies?


Ummm. And how are you connected uncertified devices to a DFS equipped 
sector?


On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:17, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com 
mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:


We have over 600 Airgrids deployed (Which did not get DFS approval
but we are using the frequencies listed and DFS on the Rocket
Sectors they connect to. I have been chasing jumping bunny rabbits
(False Positives from competitors putting  up new APs)) - cost to
replace $6000 not including labor costs. And money grows on trees.

All of our other equipment I have reprogrammed and updated to
bring them up to legal.

Same with Power Bridges - No DFS - So when the Nano beams came out
5.7-5.8 No DFS that triggered my question about the lower
frequencies whether it seemed like they were going to be withdrawn
and sold off to the highest bidder. It is all about the money
after all.

Are we the only ones that deployed so many Airgrids?.


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
li...@packetflux.com mailto:li...@packetflux.com wrote:

Yes but the lower ones require DFS and lower power and a
certified radio.

Your original message was complaining about the removal of
compliance test mode.  The specific purpose of compliance test
mode is to permit a radio to operate outside of legal
limits.   For instance over the legal power limit or on DFS
bands without DFS enabled or outside legal channels for that
radio.

UBNT has stated over and over that their intent was not to
prevent any legal operation of their radio.  I haven't heard
of any instances where not having compliance mode has resulted
in a meaningful impact to a legal operator.   I hate to defend
them but in this case it seems like they may have gotten it
nearly correct.

Is there a specific frequency and power you're using you think
is legal but isn't permitted unless you turn on compliance
test mode?

On Feb 12, 2014 2:08 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com
mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

5265-5320
5500-5580
5660-5700
5735-5840

Are these not USA channels?
If am wrong let  me know and I will change them.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
par...@cyberbroadband.net
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


Forrest...what is your offlist email ?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
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Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265
- 5700 frequencies?
Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 11:53 AM


I'm going to agree with others...

Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the
FCC, and it sounds like you are definitely running
outside the limits since you are whining about the
ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to
have no use than to exceed the limits.

I will also add that if you're running all your radios
hotter than they should be that your nose floor
problem is most likely self inflicted. My experience
over the years is that radios are designed to run at a
specific tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a
lot of out of channel bleed over. Even if the radios
don't do this you are introducing far more rf than is
likely needed causing an overall 

Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[Blair Davis]

Haven't we had this discussion before?  In reference to m-PCI radio cards?

Didn't it break down to a 'spirit of the law' group and a 'letter of the 
law' group last time?  Professional installer, anyone?

Won't it do that again?  Isn't insanity doing the same thing over and 
over and expecting a different result?

The fact is, if a DFS compliant AP changes channels and it's CPE follow 
it, the radar occupied channel is vacated.  Yes, it is not letter of the 
law compliant.  OTOH, it is unlikely to cause interference.  Isn't that 
the goal?

I don't have a dog in this fight.  The only thing I have in this band is 
a legacy 600 yard 5.3GHz PtP from before the new rules.  So it doesn't 
affect me either way.


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On 2/14/2014 7:35 PM, ralph wrote:
 Exactly-What Matt said!  or you are no better than the Mikrotik boys who use
 uncertified stuff.
 (yes a FEW MT devices radios are certified, but most are illegal to use in
 the US. But they don't seem to care)

 I feel that 5GHz is going to be toast anyway before long. In our Metro WiFi
 deployments we see hundreds of 5 GHz Linksys, Dlink, etc. neighbors on scans
 now. And many of them are overlapping many channels. And of course all
 Comcast's hotspots and everyone else's broadcasting on both bands.

 I often wonder how long WiFi has before it is totally unusable.  It is
 getting that way now here in the large Metro areas!
 You guys out in the sticks with your grain elevators and 20 mile
 unobstructed views have it so easy. Lol



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
 frequencies?

 Exactly... and this conversation just took a hair pin into exactly WHY we're
 being muscled out of the frequencies.

 Guys -- if you're going to run, play by the rules.  No unlocked radios,
 compliance with DFS, set to US country code, etc.


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312

 On 2/14/14, 6:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 We're talking about DFS certification requirements for CPEs. They exist :P

 *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS
 j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com

 On 02/14/2014 01:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 The DOD only cares that you stop using the channel. It's up to you if
 you want it to work somewhere else. ;-)



 -
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 *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 *To: *wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 3:58:13 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
 frequencies?

 CPE must be DFS compliant as well. CPE has to be able to respond to
 channel change requests from the AP, etc.

 *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS
 j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com

 On 02/14/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  It seems technically quite easy. Set compliance mode on an older
  device and associate to one that is compliant.

  Does DFS certification only apply to AP operations or CPE
  operations as well? I'm guessing the former. If that's the case,
  UBNT hasn't done the paperwork to get them certified as CPE
  either, but should be a lot easier as they don't need to pass all
  of the other business. Also, that makes more sense...  that your
  AP control what happens in a given area.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com


 
  *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
  *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
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  *Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 3:31:32 PM
  *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
  frequencies?

  Ummm. And how are you connected uncertified devices to a DFS
  equipped sector?

  On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:17, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com
  mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

  We have over 600 Airgrids deployed (Which did not get DFS
  approval but we are using the frequencies listed and DFS on
  the Rocket Sectors they connect to. I have been chasing
  jumping bunny rabbits (False Positives from competitors
  putting  up new APs)) - cost to replace $6000 not including
  labor costs. And money grows on trees.

  All of our other equipment I have reprogrammed and updated to
  bring them up to legal.

  Same with Power Bridges - No DFS - So when the Nano beams came
  out 5.7-5.8 No DFS that triggered my question about the lower
  frequencies whether it seemed like they were going to be
  

Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

[Blair Davis]

This sounds very interesting and competitive to KPP

I used their H-pol omnis and sectors on 2.4GHz back in the days of KarlNet

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On 2/13/2014 2:28 PM, Sam wrote:
 So I called the company (the Whittier CA branch, not the ones in Poland)
 and spoke with a gentleman named Pedro.

 Their current model holds only a single Rocket. However within the next
 couple of weeks (estimated availability) they will have a model that
 holds two Rockets. The downside of this is that there is space in the
 enclosure for two Rockets, however it's not molded or designed for them
 to snap into place - it's up to us to determine how to stabilize the
 Rockets inside the enclosure. I understood Pedro to say they are looking
 into rectifying that. (That was the only downside of this product that I
 saw. That's not to say I didn't ask the right questions, but of the ones
 I did ask, this was the only negative.)

 They are 90 degree -3dBi sectors.

 The gain on the antennas is 15 dBi (for the 2.4 GHz), and 18 dBi (for
 the 5 GHz).

 List price is currently $209 per unit. This may increase slightly (10 to
 20 percent) when the units are released that hold two Rockets. Pedro
 felt the cost would remain less than $250 though, after the increase.

 Hope this helps someone. I'm pretty psyched about it, and am very
 interested in testing them out.

 Sam


 On 2/13/2014 13:10, Larry A. Weidig wrote:
 Yes, I have come across that section and specifically interested in the 
 PRO-SECTOR-XL 2.4/5dual band_2xdual HV  antenna.  However, it states will 
 hold Mikrotik stuff, but nothing about Ubiquiti.  Assuming that can be 
 overcome then pricing and availability would be next as this would be a 
 phenonmenal solution assuming the antennas perform well and hold up.


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 (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area
 (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free

 - Original Message -
 From: Sam w...@csilogan.com
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:07:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

 Hi Larry,

 I've not looked at it yet, but I did see this link...this may be the one
 for which you're looking. (Same for me as far as that goes) :)

 http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas/

 Sam

 On 2/13/2014 12:58, Larry A. Weidig wrote:
 Everybody sounds like they are pleased with the Itelite antennas as
 well?  Because three antennas to give us 3 120 2.4GHz and 3 120 5GHz
 sectors sounds awfully appealing.  They seem to state that they will
 house the Rocket M radios as well as found on this page:

 http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Ubiquiti-Antennas/

 Though from that page it does not appear to have any 2/4/5 combo
 antennas listed.  Would prefer to keep the rockets mounted inside of
 something and preferably metal.

 Thanks for any feedback.

 
 Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net)
 Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/
 (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area
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 *From: *Mike Delp miked...@gmail.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:53:26 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

 Itelite Sectors with 2.4 and 5 GHz wireless cards in a Mikrotik
 Routerboard is what we have on a couple of towers.  Three antennas for
 full coverage in 2.4 and 5g.  Point to multipoint on both bands.

 Mike


 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com
 mailto:w...@csilogan.com wrote:

   Good Morning,

   I believe I know the answer to this already, however my managers 
 wanted
   me to ask. Has anyone ever heard of an access point that has two
   different frequencies (ie. 2.4 and 5.8) and each of their antennas
   integrated all into a single unit? The thought process behind this 
 being
   to save on tower space and load.

   This isn't referring to a full duplex configuration used for ptp links
   where one frequency transmits while the other frequency listens. This
   would be for PTMP between the tower and CPE units.

   Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[Blair Davis]

I've got a 10 year old PtP at 5.3GHz.

--
On 2/12/2014 5:56 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

On 2/12/2014 5:23 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Yea, but the power levels of some are not likely usable in an outdoor 
WISP environment.

A good explanation is at Wikipedia strange enough...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII

People running equipment in frequencies at a power level higher than 
intended is the issue.  Also, the 5470-5725 band requires DFS.




Actually, so does 5.25-5.35, as of 2004 or so.  It didn't originally, 
but when they added the 5.47-5.725 band, which needs DFS, they added 
the requirement to the original U-NII-2A band.  So

15.407(h)(2) Radar Detection Function of Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS).
U-NII devices operating in the 5.25-5.35 GHz and5  
http://www.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/2013/5/47-5/section.pdf.47-5  
http://sujan.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/2013/5/47-5/index.php.725 GHz bands
shall employ a DFS radar detection mechanism to detect the presence of
radar systems and to avoid co-channel operation with radar systems.

The power level down there is adequate for some applications, like 
half-mile links.  Lots of old Motorola PTP-400s are legally pumping +5 
to +9 dBm into panels... one urban path is working over 2 miles, 
though we're replacing it.




On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com 
mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:


5265-5320
5500-5580
5660-5700
5735-5840

Are these not USA channels?
If am wrong let  me know and I will change them.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


Forrest...what is your offlist email ?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

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From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
li...@packetflux.com mailto:li...@packetflux.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?
Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 11:53 AM


I'm going to agree with others...

Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC,
and it sounds like you are definitely running outside the
limits since you are whining about the ability to run your
radios in a mode which seems to have no use than to exceed
the limits.

I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter
than they should be that your nose floor problem is most
likely self inflicted.   My experience over the years is that
radios are designed to run at a specific tx power and if
you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed
over.  Even if the radios don't do this you are introducing
far more rf than is likely needed causing an overall rising
of the noise floor.

Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly.   We've
just all either dealt with an operator like you are now or
have been an operator like you are now.  And right now we're
trying to gain credibility with the FCC which is hard to do
when some operators are flagrantly breaking the rules.  Which
makes us a bit grumpy.

I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help
you better understand what you are doing to yourself and help
you improve your operations which will in turn improve your
quality of service.   Heck, I'd drive over there for a
weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed.

In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let
us help you reap the rewards of a correctly and legally
operating network.

On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com
mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to
muscle wisps out of these frequencies.
Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only
speak from that platform.
First the latest firmware update removes compliance test
which for about 40% of our equipment deployed would
render them unusable since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 50dBm or
higher noise levels in our area,
Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not
want to mess with it.
Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support
5725-5850 for USA.
Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or
deploy supports 5170-5875.

Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP
which makes more money for the FCC and drives the cost of
wireless internet up for both wisps and consumers.

-- 

Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[Blair Davis]

I don't even know of amps for 5GHz?

I thought this was mainly about antenna gain...

--
On 2/10/2014 3:14 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:

I would be happy to drive out there to give you a hand Arthur.

ryan


On 2/10/14 9:19 AM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote:

I'm with Forrest here.
Back in the back ol' days of everyone running amps (we had to back 
then in many cases) some vendors loved to sell more power.  More 
power means faster service at longer ranges right?
WRONG.  Carrier to interference level is where your speed and 
distance comes from.
The high power systems, as Forrest says, cause the radios to produce 
much more *detectable* power outside their main band.  That power 
outside the main band causes the interference.
It was always a struggle, but when I used to do interference I 
convinced many WISPs that LOWER powers would actually improve the 
performance of their networks. It was nearly 100% true.  In the rare 
cases when lower power levels didn't work it was because people were 
trying to use higher powers to over-ride physics and go through 
trees, buildings etc.
One very important note here.  If you do try lower power levels 
you'll have to lower ALL of the devices back down to reasonable 
levels (RSSI should be between --65 and --75 for most modern radios 
to perform their best, --55 will work but see the above notes about 
self inflicted interference).
A quick check is to shut down all of your AP's in an area and see 
what the noise goes to.
Oh yeah, very few radios really report accurate interference 
information.  If you are checking those levels via anything other 
than a real spectrum analyzer you'll likely find out that there are 
also other things happening in your area.

Call if you'd like and we can talk this out a bit more.
509.988.0260
laters,
marlon
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) mailto:li...@packetflux.com
*Sent:* Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:53 AM
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 
frequencies?


I'm going to agree with others...

Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it 
sounds like you are definitely running outside the limits since you 
are whining about the ability to run your radios in a mode which 
seems to have no use than to exceed the limits.


I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than 
they should be that your nose floor problem is most likely self 
inflicted.   My experience over the years is that radios are designed 
to run at a specific tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a 
lot of out of channel bleed over.  Even if the radios don't do this 
you are introducing far more rf than is likely needed causing an 
overall rising of the noise floor.


Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly.   We've just all 
either dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an 
operator like you are now.  And right now we're trying to gain 
credibility with the FCC which is hard to do when some operators are 
flagrantly breaking the rules.  Which makes us a bit grumpy.


I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you 
better understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve 
your operations which will in turn improve your quality of service. 
Heck, I'd drive over there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed.


In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help 
you reap the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network.


On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com 
mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:


Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps
out of these frequencies.
Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from
that platform.
First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which
for about 40% of our equipment deployed would render them
unusable since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 50dBm or higher noise levels
in our area,
Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to
mess with it.
Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850
for USA.
Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy
supports 5170-5875.
Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which
makes more money for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless
internet up for both wisps and consumers.
-- 
Arthur Stephens

Senior Networking Technician
Ptera Inc.
PO Box 135
24001 E Mission Suite 50
Liberty Lake, WA 99019
509-927-7837 tel:509-927-7837
ptera.com http://ptera.com
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twitter.com/Ptera http://twitter.com/Ptera

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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[Blair Davis]

maybe time to stock up on dishes.

--
On 2/8/2014 8:11 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

Chuck has it right. See below.
33.
/Antenna Gain/. Under Section 15.247, the assumed antenna gain is 6 
dBi, with a 1 dB
reduction in power required for every 1 dB that the antenna gain 
exceeds 6 dBi. For fixed point-to-point
systems, no power reduction is required. Section 15.407 assumes the 
same antenna gain of 6 dBi, with 1
dB reduction in power required for every 1 dB that gain exceeds 6 dBi. 
For fixed point-to-point systems,
a 1 dB reduction in power is required for every 1 dB that gain exceeds 
23 dBi. The only difference
between the two rule parts is the maximum antenna gain that can be 
deployed without a penalty in
transmitter power. We propose to apply the more stringent 23 dBi 
maximum antenna gain that is
currently required under Section 15.407. We believe that using the 
more stringent antenna gain
requirement will ensure that there is no increase in the potential for 
interference from unlicensed devices

operating under the new combined rule parts.


On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:32 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com 
wrote:
/Revision of Part 15 of the Commission's Rules to Permit Unlicensed 
National Information

Infrastructure (U-NII) Devices in the 5 GHz band, ET Docket No. 13-49./

Regards,
Chuck


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:


Yeah, I'd let someone official provide something. I wouldn't want
to try to discern public information from internal information.




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*From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:03:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?


Chuck,
Do you have a link or any information to what the FCC is
specifically discussing?

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2014, at 18:48, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

People running on those TDWR frequencies like that without
proper configuration are ruining the Unlimited Gain Antenna
rule in the 5.8GHz band.  It is before the FCC right now and
WISPA just held a manufacturer's webinar about it.  Every dish
2'+ would be affected, and would not be allowed any longer.
 No more 20-30 Mile 5GHz links.  I truly hope you are not
running your equipment inappropriately.

Ubiquiti already has DFS certified gear, they are VERY
familiar with the process, and they typically produce DFS
options on their 5GHz platform.

Regards,
Chuck


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Matt Hoppes
mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

The new NanoBeams will support DFS, they are just pending
approval.

Compliance Test - do you really want to go down that road?
 So what you just said, in a public forum, is that 40% of
your radios are running illegally on frequencies they are
not authorized to be on.

Please pack up and go home.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:29, Art Stephens
asteph...@ptera.com mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to
muscle wisps out of these frequencies.
Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only
speak from that platform.
First the latest firmware update removes compliance
test which for about 40% of our equipment deployed
would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840 runs at -
50dBm or higher noise levels in our area,
Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do
not want to mess with it.
Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support
5725-5850 for USA.
Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or
deploy supports 5170-5875.

Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP
which makes more money for the FCC and drives the cost
of wireless internet up for both wisps and consumers.

-- 
Arthur Stephens

Senior Networking Technician
Ptera Inc.
PO Box 135
24001 E Mission Suite 50
Liberty Lake, WA 99019

Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[Blair Davis]

I just went and read a bunch of the comments on the proceeding...

I didn't read them all, but I didn't find one in favor of the lower 
antenna gain...


Has anyone else?

--
On 2/8/2014 8:11 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

Chuck has it right. See below.
33.
/Antenna Gain/. Under Section 15.247, the assumed antenna gain is 6 
dBi, with a 1 dB
reduction in power required for every 1 dB that the antenna gain 
exceeds 6 dBi. For fixed point-to-point
systems, no power reduction is required. Section 15.407 assumes the 
same antenna gain of 6 dBi, with 1
dB reduction in power required for every 1 dB that gain exceeds 6 dBi. 
For fixed point-to-point systems,
a 1 dB reduction in power is required for every 1 dB that gain exceeds 
23 dBi. The only difference
between the two rule parts is the maximum antenna gain that can be 
deployed without a penalty in
transmitter power. We propose to apply the more stringent 23 dBi 
maximum antenna gain that is
currently required under Section 15.407. We believe that using the 
more stringent antenna gain
requirement will ensure that there is no increase in the potential for 
interference from unlicensed devices

operating under the new combined rule parts.


On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:32 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com 
wrote:
/Revision of Part 15 of the Commission's Rules to Permit Unlicensed 
National Information

Infrastructure (U-NII) Devices in the 5 GHz band, ET Docket No. 13-49./

Regards,
Chuck


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:


Yeah, I'd let someone official provide something. I wouldn't want
to try to discern public information from internal information.




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/


*From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:03:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?


Chuck,
Do you have a link or any information to what the FCC is
specifically discussing?

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2014, at 18:48, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

People running on those TDWR frequencies like that without
proper configuration are ruining the Unlimited Gain Antenna
rule in the 5.8GHz band.  It is before the FCC right now and
WISPA just held a manufacturer's webinar about it.  Every dish
2'+ would be affected, and would not be allowed any longer.
 No more 20-30 Mile 5GHz links.  I truly hope you are not
running your equipment inappropriately.

Ubiquiti already has DFS certified gear, they are VERY
familiar with the process, and they typically produce DFS
options on their 5GHz platform.

Regards,
Chuck


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Matt Hoppes
mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

The new NanoBeams will support DFS, they are just pending
approval.

Compliance Test - do you really want to go down that road?
 So what you just said, in a public forum, is that 40% of
your radios are running illegally on frequencies they are
not authorized to be on.

Please pack up and go home.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:29, Art Stephens
asteph...@ptera.com mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to
muscle wisps out of these frequencies.
Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only
speak from that platform.
First the latest firmware update removes compliance
test which for about 40% of our equipment deployed
would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840 runs at -
50dBm or higher noise levels in our area,
Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do
not want to mess with it.
Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support
5725-5850 for USA.
Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or
deploy supports 5170-5875.

Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP
which makes more money for the FCC and drives the cost
of wireless internet up for both wisps and consumers.

-- 
Arthur Stephens

Senior Networking Technician
Ptera 

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Approved Ad] 2xWireless Advertisement

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I thought this was interesting the first time I heard about it.
Sorta NetStream Dual with PtMP added.

Still interesting, but a few defects from my POV...

1) AP price is too high for me
2) No connectorized AP
3) CPE price is kinda high... Could deal with this if the AP
pricing was substantially better.
4) No connectorized CPE

I don't have the density in many locations to need sectors. 

But still interesting. As it evolves and pricing improves, I can
see a major place for it...

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  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

[Blair Davis]

Right on.

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On 1/18/2014 2:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Law? What's that? If I buy one I'm going to fly it regardless of what 
laws there may or may not be.




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*From: *Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:53:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

I have heard that you are welcome to fly it as a private citizen, but 
if it is for commercial, you MUST have a pilot's license.  I think it 
is a great idea to do tower inspections/surveys but I think the laws 
need to catch up with the technology.


Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Clay Stewart

*Sent:* Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:51 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

Same here. Is it worth spending 1k-1.5k, or will a 500-600 model work 
for site survey jobs? What models


On Jan 18, 2014 2:11 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:


I've been thinking about getting a $1k quadcopter. Are you happy with 
the PV2? I'm looking at once to survey rooftops, both the roof itself 
and from the roof. Tis a lot easier to just fly one of those up than 
wait for management to figure out a schedule.




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*From: *Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
*To: *WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent: *Friday, January 17, 2014 6:52:04 PM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

Snip Shot from Phantom Vision 2

http://youtu.be/FwavCd5ffHI

More to come

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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[WISPA] Getting nasty out there

[Blair Davis]

14inches in the last 24 hours.
temp from 33F to 11F

an additional 10-12inches by tomorrow night
temp will drop to -8 tomorrow night

wind chill currently -6
expected wind chill -38 tomorrow night

20mph now expected 30mph with gust to 45mph.

time to stay in for a couple days!

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Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

[Blair Davis]

I wouldn't be doing this if we didn't make a profit.

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On 12/31/2013 1:57 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote:

We are suppose to make a profit?

On 12/30/2013 09:51 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:
Granted that our model is way different then yours, we are a 
non-profit member owned, volunteer operated, coop, but we give 
everybody 2 up and 2 down (now that we have an AirFiber backhaul) and 
are still scrambling to keep up with the members usage (400 members 
covering 600 square miles).  And, they always want more.


Charging $30 a month.  Of course we only have one paid employee.  The 
folks here in NM are happy to get that as their only alternative is 
dial-up or satellite.  When CenturyLink finally moves into a 
neighborhood we actually encourage new inquires to go with them as we 
still have tons of folks with no options other then us.


It cost us about $30K every time we have to upgrade the backbone and 
back haul and APs, but luckily we have enough time between upgrades 
to bank the funds.


I don't know how you guys can make a profit.

Phil


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:


It's cut down in confusion. Oh yeah. 5 meg is x in town a but y
in town b.

And we don't do the upto game. So if you want 5 and can only get
3 we won't install you unless you'll take 3. We don't charge for
packages folks can't get.

Likewise this keeps our network happy since most links are pretty
clean.

On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:48, CBB - Jay Fuller
par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:



That is a good idea

Sent from my wy too expensive android mobile vzw 4gish
device.

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From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography
Date: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 9:34 PM


What we have done is offer the same packages across the board.
If you can't get at least the package you want we don't install
you.

On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:11, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com
mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote:


We are getting to the point in a lot of our markets that we
need to offer different speed packages. Issue being some
markets, being 900 or slightly sub-par infrastructure, we
wouldn't be able to promote these packages across the board.
Was curious if others are offering packages to different areas
that would not be possible in some? And if so, do you get any
backlash from those who cannot get those packages? Is it
appropriate to offer extended packages to users on one tower
when another tower down the road wouldn't be capable of these
packages? Its bad but we just offer a residential rate, no
matter if that customer can get 1 meg down via Canopy 900 or
close to 10 meg on a UBNT SM. I have caught a little heat in an
area where we fired up 900 about 4 years ago to a market that
had only satellite. Then we hooked up a tower in a small town 4
miles away with UBNT M2 and news spread like wild fire. We went
from 40 900 subs to about a dozen, and a pile of radios I don't
want to deploy again.  Shame on me for not offering the
extended packages at that time for those wanting more bandwidth.
I also have the area outside my home town that Century Link
offers what they claim is 12 meg service, but it never gets
close. I am constantly adding more sectors in these areas, Im
getting to the point where I am adding UBNT to offload Canopy,
then adding more UBNT to offload the UBNT that was offloading
the Canopy, it gets to be a vicious circle. I am already $20
per month more than CL, not sure if a lot of customers would
stay if I were to charge them more for what they are getting
now. Once again shame on me. The bosses think the prices should
be the same across the board, but technically performances
cannot be matched across the board, plus Im running ragged
satisfying existing customers when I should be looking at new
areas, and start the vicious circle all over again LOL.
thanks
heith
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Re: [WISPA] Marketing idea

[Blair Davis]

I wouldn't mind buying that...

What was the bill and what do you want for it?  If you are interested in 
selling...


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Thinking about how to get my company name out there more in our area...

A thought that I came up with was a raffle... Raffle off a 2002 KZ 
C800, (see attached) at $5.00 a ticket. Someone will own this for 
$5.00. but instead of the conventional way of the actual paper ticket, 
come up with something that is web based where they can buy tickets 
through a web page. I haven't got the details on how to do this yet, 
but looking for ideas. Say start on 1/1/14 and have the drawing on the 
4^th of July or something like that.


Someone owed me money for a job, and this is how I got paid. the 
motorcycle is company owned, and it runs very well.


Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

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Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

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Where does it say it runs LP?

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On 11/26/2013 12:29 PM, Steve Utick wrote:

Actually, I just looked, and they are down a bit from that:

http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400E-Portable-Generator-Electric/dp/B001BMDFPS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1385486828sr=8-2keywords=xp4400eh

$400.   They are an electric start dual fuel generator.   The 
PacketFlux generator controller takes care of auto starting the 
generator when needed.   We used a $5 electric door lock actuator 
motor from eBay on the thing to take care of opening and closing the 
choke to start it.   Works great.





On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com 
mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:


Steve, what LP gas gen did you buy for $650? You say it has an
automatic electric start?


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Steve Utick sut...@gmail.com
mailto:sut...@gmail.com wrote:

We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator
($650) and used one of these:


http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_id=55

We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and
attached to the battery array. We've got the controller set to
auto start the generator if the batteries dip to a set
voltage, and run for a pre-set amount of time and then shut
off.   We are about $1,000 into the whole setup.  (Doesn't
include the battery charger, that was already at the site)






On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Mike Lyon
mike.l...@gmail.com mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane
TEG. $7960
plus a $300 mount.


It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for
$1900 with free
Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal...

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Re: [WISPA] Dielectric Grease

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Where do you get it in reasonable quantity and how would it be used
in N connectors.

Starting to see some water ingress on old, 5year, weather
proofed N connections.

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On 11/15/2013 6:12 PM, Chuck Hogg
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  We have been and it has eliminated ethernet issues
due to bad cable or bad weatherproofing. I've seen where the
cable jacket is messed up, water in the ethernet connector area,
but because the grease was used it prevented the ethernet from
failing.

  

We've also seen issues where the LMR cabling fails or
  weather proofing fails and because of the grease, the same
  thing applies.


We put it on every RJ45 and every RF connector for installs
  and tower work. Remember though, a little dab will do ya, no
  need to put a lot on it, otherwise it makes it a mess.


There's a reason that all the big telco companies have been
  using it on phone lines for years.
  
  
Regards,
  Chuck


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:48 PM, ~NGL~
  n...@ngl.net
  wrote:
  

  Anybody using dielectric grease on RJ45 connectors?
  Thanx
  NGL
  
  

  

If you can read this Thank A
Teacher.
And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
  

  


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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Blair Davis]

I am SO, so glad I am rural!!!

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On 11/15/2013 8:57 PM, ralph wrote:


nods to Zach-

I've been building outdoor wireless (mostly mesh) networks since about 
2002.  When I worked for Earthlink in 2006 and 2007 and deployed about 
7 large Muni systems (12,000 APs in Philly for example), it was an 
open system. Anyone (including a WISP) who had the up-front $$ could 
get an SSID and be handed off their traffic. We had SSIDs for Vonage 
and DirectV as others.


Several local towns here also installed various (mostly Cisco) Cisco 
mesh systems. Then they chose an ISP to power them. The later company 
I was with (a small WISP, not Earthlink) was chosen in two of the 
towns. We were handed an Ethernet cable. On the other end of that 
cable were all the residences and businesses in town that the Muni 
system passed. Pretty sweet.


Back years ago when the WISPS on the lists were worrying about the 
Muni systems, you may remember that I promoted a don't fight 'em, 
join 'em strategy. Very few did.  Now of course it is different 
because the Cablecos realized they could do it too. They have the 
(almost) unlimited wired backhaul, the access rights, the strand 
provided 60-90v power, and the DEEP pockets.  This is why Cisco even 
stayed in the outdoor AP business at all. Their mesh did not perform 
well. But who needs mesh if you can make every AP a root (wired) 
access point.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Zach Mann

*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 11:41 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own 
SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't pay COMPANY A for 
their own SSID for their subscribers.  :)   It will be interesting to 
see how this all develops.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:


Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
cable plants and blasting all over the town.

On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
covering the town!



Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
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On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
 How would you 'legally' define a WISP?

 What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
Internet over Wireless?

 If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we
also deliver Internet over cable and fiber?

 If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).

 Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just
having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast
and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few
of us.

 --Eric

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

 Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying
to use
 the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.

 This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only
spectrum...
 with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a
WISP.


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
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 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
 Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them
there
 shouldn't be much noise..

 On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
 He's talking about these... (see attached)


 On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
 sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote:

   I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm
talking about
   the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside
runing through
   the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower
around.

   Scott Carullo
   Technical Operations
   855-FLSPEED x102

Re: [WISPA] Batteries?

[Blair Davis]

Trojan T-105

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On 10/28/2013 9:42 AM, Clay Stewart wrote:

6VDC golf cart batteries 105AH or so. SAMS Club.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com 
mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:


What is everyones favorite 12vdc battery for there solar sites? I
believe Interstate is a WISPA vendor member, correct?

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Re: [WISPA] Windows XP

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That was why I brought it up.

I don't believe we can force users off XP.
Obviously, proper port blocking helps.  Placing your XP users on source 
NAT'ed IP's might help.


Are there other options?  Packet filtering?  Email filtering? Something 
else?


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On 10/17/2013 6:31 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
That is a good point, is there anything we can do to get users off 
XP? When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy hackers 
and spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches), we will suffer 
too... in our networks.



On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn gregwosb...@gmail.com 
mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com wrote:


It works itself out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik

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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Windows XP

Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade.



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*Subject: *[WISPA] Windows XP

Windows XP security updates end in April 2014.

Windows XP usage still above 30%.

Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for
whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade?

I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they
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Re: [WISPA] Windows XP

[Blair Davis]

Us too.  They are isolated from the internet, but we still have them 
doing things.


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I still run Windows 2000 on some computers. :)



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On Oct 17, 2013, at 16:56, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net 
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:



That was why I brought it up.

I don't believe we can force users off XP.
Obviously, proper port blocking helps.  Placing your XP users on 
source NAT'ed IP's might help.


Are there other options?  Packet filtering?  Email filtering? 
Something else?


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That is a good point, is there anything we can do to get users off 
XP? When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy 
hackers and spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches), we 
will suffer too... in our networks.



On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn gregwosb...@gmail.com 
mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com wrote:


It works itself out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik

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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Windows XP

Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade.



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*Subject: *[WISPA] Windows XP

Windows XP security updates end in April 2014.

Windows XP usage still above 30%.

Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who,
for
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I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they
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Re: [WISPA] Windows XP

[Blair Davis]

For those who do computer repair, there is a good opportunity there.

But we closed our repair shop when my business partner retired.

I don't have time to do it.  And, IMO, it is not a job for someone at 
the installer level. Let alone the fact that doing it on-site is a major 
time waster.


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Offer service to upgrade for $99... WIN7 plus labor?


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net 
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:


That was why I brought it up.

I don't believe we can force users off XP.
Obviously, proper port blocking helps.  Placing your XP users on
source NAT'ed IP's might help.

Are there other options?  Packet filtering?  Email filtering? 
Something else?


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That is a good point, is there anything we can do to get users
off XP? When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy
hackers and spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches),
we will suffer too... in our networks.


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn
gregwosb...@gmail.com mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com wrote:

It works itself out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik

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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Windows XP

Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade.



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*Subject: *[WISPA] Windows XP

Windows XP security updates end in April 2014.

Windows XP usage still above 30%.

Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users
who, for
whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade?

I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system
if they
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti radios failing?

[Blair Davis]

I've seen this issue with xr-2 mPCI cards,  f.20 mPCI cards and others.  
Don't really think it is a UBNT only issue.

I think it is just one of the failure modes of the Atheros chipset.

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On 10/16/2013 3:00 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
 Hi Jason

 well it looks like Ubiquiti is failing again. Our first surprise was the
 cable around 1-2 year ago (we had to replace something like 20 reels of
 cable) and now we have to replace units.

 As far as I know there is no mailing list to read something like yes we
 have a problem on these units do not install them but if you are aware
 please send me the right pointer. It would save us a lot of money just
 checking the serial numbers instaed of doing the installation twice (or
 3-4-5-6 times).

 Now we have to monitor which unit is failing which is not, then
 reorganize the logistics with the customer, stay at the phone with the
 customer to explain that have to fix a failing unit (the custoer will
 think we are taking excuse for some reason) and then finally go there
 and HOPE that the new unit is not broken

 Now, I hope mikrotik will release new products and we will see if it's
 time to switch to mikrotik.

 Regards
 Paolo

 Do a little searching on the UBNT forums. There were a few batches of
 the AirGrid HP's that had this issue. I installed about ten of them. I
 then replaced 10 of them with grid/bullets and scrapped them.


 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:55 PM, Paolo Di Francesco
 paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote:
 dear all

 lately we are having some strange issues with some airgrids. We see that:

 1) the signal on some radios is droppiing around 10dbi
 2) it works in one direction but not the other (eg. tx=ok but rx not
 working)

 Is that happening to you too?

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[WISPA] Windows XP

[Blair Davis]

Windows XP security updates end in April 2014.

Windows XP usage still above 30%.

Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for 
whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade?

I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they 
don't see a good reason to.


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Re: [WISPA] Mixed Single and dual polarity?

[Blair Davis]

It works ok as long as all are AirMax for UBNT.

The single pol units take a preformance hit.

Not a good idea if the AP is heavly loaded.

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On 10/10/2013 3:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
You mean in Ubnt?  It's not devastating, but your 1x1 clients are 
eating up twice as much time doing the same work a 2x2 radio would do. 
 Cuts your APs capacity in half while using the full spectrum =(



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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Robert Andrews 
nos...@avantwireless.com mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com wrote:


Simple questions:

 1) Does anyone have experience running systems with mixed
clients?
i.e. Dual polarity AP and mixed single and dual polarity clients?

 2) Is anyone willing to summarize their experiences?


Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

[Blair Davis]

We moved to this model years ago.

50G per month, up to 10Mb/s burst,1am to 7am doesn't count against cap, 
drop to 256K/128K when you reach the cap, no contract


Very few complaints.

If they want streaming, we sell them a CIR at whatever speed they want.  
$200 for 2M, $350 for 4M and so on.  Contract required.


Very few takers.

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On 9/25/2013 5:55 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

On 9/25/2013 1:00 PM, heith petersen wrote:
I just got off the phone with a customer. I made some adjustments to 
his SM the other day to make netflix work. He called back today to 
tell me it works good but his direct tv showtime package is OK but 
not great. I kind of wanted to ask him what the hell gives dish net 
the right to sell you a service that rides on my back bone where I do 
not make anymore money for your additional use of my service. Anyways 
I got that off my chest.
So our situation has been for years residential customers pay a flat 
rate, we have no speed or usage based packages. When the customer 
calls about netflix I make throttle adjustments in the SM to make 
them happy. Well eventually I have an overloaded AP, then I have to 
either sectorize or add a different frequency, add higher capacity 
BHs out of my pocket, just to keep my customers happy at the same 
price we have been charging for 10 years. (We recently, since going 
to new billing service, added a $2 paper fee for non emailed invoices 
and I get crucified by the same customers every month). Ideally I 
want to get away from mechanical throttles.
We are in the middle running our authentication thru our new billing 
system, and converting bridged to fully routed. You know, the things 
we should have been doing from day one. Anyways, once we get things 
squared away, what's a common practice on doing packages? If you have 
basic customers out there that do not stream or use tons of bandwidth 
would you keep them at the current rate, or drop the rate and 
throttle them tight? I would assume that we would want to offer an 
increased package to known streamers, maybe throttle them down to a 
basic level and wait to hear from them when they are willing to 
upgrade their package? I would then anticipate that making the 
expenditures to provide them with the service would be worth the venture.
Anyways just looking for some suggestions. There is always time to do 
it right the second time around

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This is a really big problem for WISPs.  Streaming high-quality video 
has been the potential elephant in the room of the ISP business for a 
long time.  It is finally starting to show up in the room, thanks to 
Netflix, Hulu, and others like them.


Poisoning the well is the public's paranoia about cable companies, who 
usually have ample Internet capacity (fiber to a major peering point; 
high capacity HFC networks).  So if they do anything to limit 
streaming, it's seen as an anti-competitive trick, to get people to 
buy more channels.  This may or may not be true, but that's the public 
perception, which was a major driver of the network neutrality 
kerfuffle now in court.


Of course most WISPs are nothing like cable!  But the public doesn't 
see the difference, and if the FCC gains authority over WISPs (which 
they shouldn't have, by law, but what's the law when the public wants 
their circuses, I mean teevee?), then if WISPs do anything that 
selectively blocks video, or even UDP, it might be seen as a 
violation.  So your legal authority to act is in question.  And who is 
leading the appeal against the law? Verizon, who is actually behind it 
(since it hurts Comcast more than them).  Hence their arguments are on 
the lame side.  The only things going for us in the DC Circuit are 
that the DC Circuit dislikes the FCC in general, and the FCC did a 
really bad job in claiming the authority.


Thus the neutral answer is to move towards bandwidth caps.  This to 
me makes more sense, to a WISP, than a rate-based price tier. Somebody 
can burst at 10 Mbps once in a while and put little load on the 
network, but somebody watching TV at 3 Mbps all day will clobber you.  
Gigabytes/month represents a monthly average load. If you do this, you 
can raise everyone's base rate to the max. Cellular does this.


But there are two very different approaches taken even by cellcos when 
the cap is reached.  If you are on VZ, ATT or Sprint, you are charged 
extra when you exceed the cap.  A lot extra.  This leads people to buy 
bigger plans than they need, just to be sure they don't hit the cap.  
If on the other hand you're on T-Mobile, once you hit the cap your 
data is throttled WAY down to EDGE speeds (around 80 kbps if the wind 
is from the west), but they don't charge more.


So my gut feeling is that the best strategy for dealing with pink-eyed 
elephants is to move to usage-based plans.  Look at the actual monthly 
usage for each customer and see how many would fall into any given 
tier, if you draw tiers.  Set it 

Re: [WISPA] question for the group

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Oh boy!

IANAL... That phrase 'Professional Installer' is likely the single
most contentious thing the FCC has done in the last 20 years...

In general, it seems that as long as you follow the EIRP and
frequency rules and don't cause interference to a licensed user, all
is good.

OTOH, if you run way over the power limits, operate out of
band or interfere with licensed users,
they will, sooner or later, come find you.

Others have other opinions.

My opinion is that the terms 'Professional Installer' and '
Professionally Installed', have no real meaning as the FCC has, to
the best of my knowledge, failed to define either term.

YMMV

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On 9/19/2013 10:53 PM, Chris Stradtman
  wrote:


  
Hi all,


Most of my work is done inside so I don't really deal with most
of the WISP issues.


However I'm being asked by a client to do an outside
  install. This is likely to be in the 5Ghz range.


I've found a reference to


"Devices must be professionally installed when operating in
  the 5470  5725 MHz band"





I'm aware of avoidance of TDWR systems and the allowed and
  disallowed frequencies in that band.


However, I can't find reference to what is meant by a
  "Professional Installer".


Is there a licensing program that I can't seem to find by
  googling??

  

Thanks in advance,


Chris Stradtman
  
  
  
  
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[WISPA] 802.11 and roaming

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I've tried MikroTik.

I've tried Cisco.

I've tried UniFi.

I pretty much don't think there is a working way to roam from AP to
AP with 802.11 in an open system.

The client holds on to the weak AP long after there are stronger
AP's to talk to.

I think this is just the way it works.

Now, we are giving each AP a unique ESSID but keeping them bridged
on the wired side and requiring the user to change the connection
when out of range...

Not the best answer, but it works much better for the clients who
don't move much... I'd love a better answer...

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Re: [WISPA] 802.11 and roaming

[Blair Davis]

  
  
They may claim it,(UBNT) but, as far as I can tell it doesn't work
on an open network. Haven't tried on an encrypted network.

3.1.3 software. All were on same ESSID, but different channels.
Chose channels to minimize interference. Users work just fine as
long as they can only see one AP. When they can see more than one
some users seem to jump back and forth. Some will grab one AP in a
death grip and keep it to -88. Some just freeze for a min or two.

This is a public area, fairground, and as best I can tell, users
just can't roam reliably.

Of course, LOTS of noise! I remember reading something once about
being able to shut down 'rogue AP's', i.e. AP's that don't belong to
the fairground, but I can't remember who that was. Maybe that would
cut the noise.

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On 9/7/2013 11:28 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  The new Unifi will. Cisco I think will. The truck
is to have the same bssid and essid on all the APs.
  Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  On Sep 7, 2013 11:20 PM, "Blair Davis"
the...@wmwisp.net
wrote:

   I've tried MikroTik.

I've tried Cisco.

I've tried UniFi.

I pretty much don't think there is a working way to roam
from AP to AP with 802.11 in an open system.

The client holds on to the weak AP long after there are
stronger AP's to talk to.

I think this is just the way it works.

Now, we are giving each AP a unique ESSID but keeping them
bridged on the wired side and requiring the user to change
the connection when out of range...

Not the best answer, but it works much better for the
clients who don't move much... I'd love a better answer...

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Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I often use a pair of 17db yagi, 1 V and one H with a rocket to
maximize gain for a CPE.

For a PtP link we once stacked 17db yagis to get 20db at each end (H
and V)

Haven't yet found a good AP answer yet.

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On 8/22/2013 2:32 PM, Mike Hammett
  wrote:


  
  How would it be impossible?

These calcs aren't going to be able to factor in the foliage
loss because of how variable it is. We'll just use 5 miles of
free space as the loss.

Rocket + UBNT sector as the AP and a NanoBridge as the CPE.

AP - CPE = -63
CPE - AP = -61

Now if we had antenna of the same gain in 900 as I'm using in 5
GHz (18 AP, 25 CPE)

AP - CPE = -49
CPE - AP = -56

So I guess its not as optimistic as I thought because of the PtP
rule in 5 GHz, but in the downstream direction (AP - CPE), we're
14 is dB better and CPE to AP we're 5 dB.

Manufacturers, give us bigger antenna!


  
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



From: "Erik
  Anderson" erik.ander...@hocking.net
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:16:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded
  areas
  
  With Cambium, we have connections
that are stable at -82 dB.

We have a backup backhaul for a tower that is about 5 miles.
One ridge in between towers must have trees that interfere
with freznel zone. Towers are 200'. Originally had a Cambium
900 with 6 foot single polarity yagis. It worked for
emergencies in most situations (sometimes rain or snow would
interfere). Put in UBNT with UBNT dual polarity yagis.
Bandwidth available is slightly lower than the Cambium.

From what I have experienced with UBNT 900, it works
marginally better than 2.4 with tree penetration. Cambium
900 actually does work, even without freznel zone clearance
at times. There are many situations it will not work, but it
will reach 50% more of the households than UBNT.

As for interference, I have mounted a Cambium 900 SM with
the UBNT dual polarity with 40 foot horizontal separation
without interference (for testing purposes, not real world
implementation). It did work.

GPS sync is better. I have two horizontal 900 omnis and 1
vertical omni mounted with less than 12" of horizontal
separation on a tower using Cambium (no sectors will not
work in this situation, and additional tower space is not
available). It works. 

We have a tower currently with a 900 backhaul and 900 ap for
distribution. Sync makes this possible. When we raise the
tower another 100 feet this 900 backhaul will go away.
2.4/5.x do not work on this. A few 80+ foot trees
(somewhere) are the problem

Yes, the smartmeter usage of 900 spectrum is problematic
around here and they seem to be a 919 mhz center channel.
Using channels higher than 915 becomes more difficult.

This is why I state that UBNT 900 is not good. Increasing
signal by 15 dB is IMPOSSIBLE for our situations... well,
legally that is.

On 8/22/2013 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  
  

Almost every time
  someone has detailed their installations to me, there just
  isn't enough signal to do anything. They're getting a -76
  and wondering why it doesn't work. Increase that another
  15 dB and try again. The Canopy will work a little better
  because it requires less signal, but it also has nowhere
  near the same throughput, so they're really apples and
  oranges.
  
  

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
  
  
  
  From: "Josh

Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy
wooded areas

Ubnt 900 apparently has extremely poor nlos for 900 MHz.
I've heard
this 

Re: [WISPA] Scam Warning!!!

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Spell check wins again... $#$%@!!

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  wrote:


  Revived or received. :). You may just have incriminated yourself. 

On Aug 16, 2013, at 17:49, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:


  
Fake credit card settlements from authorize.net are being revived by 
myself and others!!!

Be warned!

Amounts are in the range of $6,000-10,000 and refunds in the range 
$500-$2,000.

The links all look legit, but they not.

Blair

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[WISPA] Scam Warning!!!

[Blair Davis]

Fake credit card settlements from authorize.net are being revived by 
myself and others!!!

Be warned!

Amounts are in the range of $6,000-10,000 and refunds in the range 
$500-$2,000.

The links all look legit, but they not.

Blair

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Re: [WISPA] Spam:********, Re: Hotspot Router/Software

[Blair Davis]

  
  
This is MAC address spoofing... If you are going to run a public
hotspot, not too many ways to avoid it...

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On 7/17/2013 1:12 PM, Zach Underwood
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  Before you use the hotspot manager take a look at
thishttps://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-abq=bypass%20mikrotik%20hotspotoq=gs_l=pbx=1bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.bvm=bv.49405654,d.aWcfp=9b00a9e3977196d6biw=1280bih=675pf=ppdl=300
  

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Bryce
  Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca
  wrote:
  

  
MikroTik
with Radius Manager works fairly well.
You
can enable the trial account under the Hotspot in
MikroTik and use Radius Manager to manage paid
users.


Bryce
  Duchcherer
bduc...@netago.ca
WWW.NETAGO.CA


From:
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot Router/Software


  

  

  I need
suggestion for a hotspot system for a
campground. Requirements:

Need to provide two levels
  of service
  
  Basic Free Service - lower
speed, limited MB per day

Paid
  Service - faster speed, unlimited use, billed as
  daily, 3 days or monthly service
  
  
Paid
  service can be purchased via credit card in online
  portal, would be easiest if it could collect
  payment to our Propay merchant account, paypal is
  a less desirable option, but we do have a paypal
  acct as well. 
  
  
Compatible
  with any wifi APs, this year we will connect to
  current wifi APs in the park, probably overhaul
  that next season. Capable of handling 100-200
  users, maybe 50megs traffic max.

  
  
I
  would prefer an "all in one box" type system over
  a home made/server/open source solution. Needs to
  be proven reliable product and "just work." Budget
  is ideally 200-300 for hardware and some modest
  monthly cost is OK if necessary. 
  
  
So, any suggestions? Thanks!
  

  


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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

[Blair Davis]

  
  
The key is getting your own IP space.

Then the upstream will leave you alone.

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On 6/3/2013 6:24 PM, James Howard
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Do
you get notices from your upstream for addresses that arent
in one of their IP blocks? We used to get them from
ATT before we got our own IP block but only get them
from HBO, Starz, Warner Bros etc now. Havent ever gotten
one from Cogent but havent had that circuit for even a year
yet either.

I
understand the logic behind telling them that youll
research it for a fee but typically the ones that we get
never ask for any response. They just ask that you notify
the offending party and make it stop. We never reply to
them but do check the IP address. If its a NATed address
we note it on the ticket and close it. If its a public IP
we send the customer a notice that there was illegal
activity detected on their connection. That usually stops
the activity right away. The last one that I sent out, the
customer replied thanking us for letting her know. Said she
told her neighbors that they couldnt do that anymore
because she didnt want to lose her Netflix over somebody
doing something illegal. I think we were about halfway
through the month and they had transferred about 250Gb at
that point. Usage dropped to normal Netflix user amounts
after that. 


James
Howard
LiteWire
Internet Services, Inc.






  
From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Wilson
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents
  



  
  The
  problem with us isn't the party who initiated the
  complaint. The upstream providers are getting more and
  pushy that we need to give them (the backbone provider) a
  resolution. If not they say it violates the Terms of
  Service. Cogent is the worst about this. We have
  actually had them turn us off because we did not answer
  complaints.


  


  
  Justin


  


  From:
  Jim
  Patient jpati...@linktechs.net
  Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Date: Monday, June 3, 2013 4:34 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents


  


  

  I
  just respond to them and tell them we would be happy
  to investigate the alleged infringement however, there
  will be a cost incurred for investigation. Pricing
  for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp
  I
  have never had any of them respond to it in over 3
  years. I guess if any of them do, Ill cross that
  bridge when it happens. I think most of it is
  vaporware.
  
  Has
  anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops
  show up over one of these? 
  
  Jim
  
  

  From:
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  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Hass, Douglas A.
  Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

  
  
  Jim,
  
  Your
  policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what
  about service of DMCA notices without a subpoena
  attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or not
  at all)? 
  
  Doug
  
  
  Douglas
A.Hass
  Associate
  312.786.6502
  d...@franczek.com

  Franczek
Radelet P.C.
300
  South Wacker Drive
  Suite 3400Chicago,IL60606

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Especially with those small, cheap 2-cycle, 800-1000W generators, a
200-400W light stabilizes it well.

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On 5/8/2013 1:27 PM, Joel Mulkey wrote:


  We've noticed that our cheap generators won't charge the UPSs back up without some extra load to stabilize things. To provide that load we include a 500w or 1000w halogen construction light with each generator kit. Plug the light in and the voltage stabilizes, which allows the UPS to kick back on to the line power. It also provides some nice lighting if it's at night.

Joel Mulkey
CIO
Freewire
Direct: 503-616-2557 | Support: 503-614-8282
http://www.gofreewire.com
http://twitter.com/FreewireNetwork

On May 8, 2013, at 10:17 AM, wireless-requ...@wispa.org wrote:


  
This is the third time in about two years that we've had some major 
power outages across our region due to the supplier lines going down.

Every time the situation is the same,

We roll out our portable generators to a few of our smaller sites that 
don't have full-time generators -- and every time we have to fight with 
them to get clean power out of them -- usually just ending up putting 
equipment directly on the generators and bypassing the UPS systems.

I've seen the generators go everywhere from 40Hz to 90Hz.

Has anyone come across a nice portable alternator (as opposed to a 
generator) that can be taken to tower sites as supplementary power?

~ Matt


  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Waterproofing the NanoBridge

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Even the black ones get brittle.

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On 4/16/2013 7:47 PM, ralph wrote:


  
  
  
  
Of
course they are black now.
But
they were white when they were white.
And
black (allegedly UV resistant) ties are used outdoors a lot,
for many things.
Bet
you even have some on your tower. 
And
yes, we use hose clamps. The tie is a pointless inclusion
in the packaging.

From:
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh
Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waterproofing the NanoBridge

First off they're black now. Have been for some time.
Secondly, who uses zip ties outdoors?!
I have a radio on the roof pointing home. I just went up
  there today to look at our stuff and saw it had rotated 90
  off. Using two of those zip ties. Turns out it happened
  around Christmas, but today I hose clamped it as it should be.
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  On Apr 16, 2013 6:51 PM, "ralph" ralphli...@bsrg.org
wrote:
  

  
Oops,
I typed all this up before I read the OP again and
saw it was about NanoBridges and not NanoStations.
But
I was proud of it, so Im sending it anyway. lol



The
first step in waterproofing the NanoStation is:

NEVER,
NEVER, EVER, EVER use that stupid white wire tie
they come with to mount it!
The
foil tape holding it folded is worth more that the
wire tie itself. Come to think of it, I should have
gotten a roll of the foil tape and used it for
mounting.

If
you use the white one, you will be back in 3 years
and the Nano will be hanging upside down by its
wire, filled with water.



From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waterproofing the
NanoBridge


  I
know we've seen it with our limited Picos and
Nanobridges. The sticker covering the LED hole lets
water in =(


  

  
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  Luthman
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  Suite 1337
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On
  Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
  wrote:

  Say
what? NanoBridges are pretty much an all-in-one
piece of plastic...
shouldn't be anything to water proof.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312
  

  On 4/16/13 1:08 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
   Because of the problems I have had with
  the Bullets, I wonder if there
   is any thing I should do to waterproof
  the NB's?
   Thanx
   NGL
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Waterproofing the NanoBridge

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I love coax seal.

But, I remember a story about it and a kind of wasp that lives in
AU/NZ.

Seems that the wasp just love the stuff and will eat a connection
clean in hours...

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On 4/16/2013 8:16 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  On the few I've got, coax seal did fix it. That's my
solution for all things that need water proofed.
  Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  On Apr 16, 2013 8:13 PM, "Clay Stewart"
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com
wrote:

  We had those issues with Bullets too, and used
Coax Seal on them which worked quite well... but we have not
used anything on NBs or NSs or NLs and have had no issues.
We do mount lights down on NBs, to see them, and trusting
that position against water.
  

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:08 PM,
  ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
  wrote:
  

  Because of the problemsI have had with the
Bullets, I wonder ifthere is anything I should do
to waterproof the NB's?
  Thanx
  
  NGL
  

  

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Re: [WISPA] Complete list of WISP used billing products

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Is your objective a list? or a comparison?

I'd like to see a feature comparison... things like: 
Do you rent it or own it? (personally, I hate the idea of 'software
as service')
Is it local or in the cloud? (I trust the cloud as far as I can
throw it.)
Support type? 
Support cost? Ongoing or incident?
Integrate with MT?
Integrate with UBNT?
Payment systems? IPPay, Authorize.net, other
Support for a Hotspot system? MT or UBNT?

We currently use QB. and renewal is coming up in 2-3 months...
We are open to different answers, but those questions come to mind
right away. 

Vendors, if you will be at KY, consider it a chance to persuade me.

Blair

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  freeside

On 03/20/2013 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  
I'm looking to put a complete list together.  Does anyone have any
additional ideas?


  
  
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[WISPA] KY show in April

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Is anyone else looking to save some cash by staying a mile or two
away instead of right downtown?

To me, $126 a nite +tax is a LOT for a motel room.

Especially when I can find places within 4 miles for less than $50 a
nite + tax.

I can't believe that parking or a taxi will cost more than $75 a
day...

Maybe I'm just cheap, but the only time I've ever paid more than $69
a night was for a special weekend away.

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Re: [WISPA] KY show in April

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I saw it on priceline.

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  Where was 50/night?
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  On Feb 8, 2013 11:15 PM, "CBB - Jay
Fuller" par...@cyberbroadband.net
wrote:

  

Many of us are cheap...that's why
we're still here. :)


  - Original Message -
  
  From:
    Blair
  Davis 
  To: WISPA
  General List 
  Sent: Friday, February
08, 2013 9:51 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] KY
show in April
  
  
  Is anyone else looking to save some cash by staying a mile
  or two away instead of right downtown?
  
  To me, $126 a nite +tax is a LOT for a motel room.
  
  Especially when I can find places within 4 miles for less
  than $50 a nite + tax.
  
  I can't believe that parking or a taxi will cost more than
  $75 a day...
  
  Maybe I'm just cheap, but the only time I've ever paid
  more than $69 a night was for a special weekend away.
  
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Re: [WISPA] KY show in April

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Never looked at it that way...

Thanks!

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  Many of us are cheap...that's why we're
  still here. :)
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: Blair
Davis 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Friday, February 08,
  2013 9:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] KY show in
  April


Is anyone else looking to save some cash by staying a mile or
two away instead of right downtown?

To me, $126 a nite +tax is a LOT for a motel room.

Especially when I can find places within 4 miles for less than
$50 a nite + tax.

I can't believe that parking or a taxi will cost more than $75 a
day...

Maybe I'm just cheap, but the only time I've ever paid more than
$69 a night was for a special weekend away.

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Re: [WISPA] KY show in April

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I have no problem with the $498 I paid to WISPA for the conference.

I have no problem with my yearly membership to WISPA. I think it is
worth every penny.

I am also one of those who has no interest in Vegas and who pestered
Rick for another Mid-West show like St. Louis. (Thanks, Rick!! And
for the next non-Vegas conference, let's be thinking
AL,AR,MS,OK,TN,TX. After all, Vegas as anchor pretty much covers
the west.) 

But, I can't justify $126+tax for a room I'll be in 9-10 hours a
day, and asleep most of that! And that extra $250 is, well, $250.
I can think of a lot of things I'd rather spend $250 on than a room
to sleep in.

Maybe it is just a different way of looking at things. When we go
out on vacation, most of the time we are in Motel 6 or Super 8. We
drive and look at things and stop where ever things look
interesting.

Technically, this is work. I'm less likely to spend more on a motel
for work than for play! 

And I am not complaining... I was just looking to see if I was
alone... Seems not.

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On 2/9/2013 12:45 AM, Joel White wrote:

Or you could look at the advantages of staying on
  location, supporting WISPA that went out of their way to get a
  location that would support the conference yet be affordable to
  the 500 mile radius that a majority of the WISPS are in. Or just
  accept that no matter what you do you can never satisfy everyone.
  Remember that any conference needs volume to get a reduced rate.
  Stay elsewhere and the numbers go down. Jmo.
  
  Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

  Ya that's my usual plan :)
  There's actually a meta search site that aggregates them
for me.
  Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373
  On Feb 8, 2013 11:29 PM, "Justin
Wilson" li...@mtin.net wrote:

  
 Hotwire.com
  is your friend.



  
From:  Josh
Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Reply-To: 
WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: 
Friday, February 8, 2013 11:17 PM
To:  WISPA
General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject:  Re:
[WISPA] KY show in April
  
  
  
  
Where was 50/night?
Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 8, 2013 11:15 PM,
  "CBB - Jay Fuller" par...@cyberbroadband.net
  wrote:
  

  
  Many of us are
  cheap...that's why we're still here. :)
  
  
- Original
  Message - 
        From: Blair Davis 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent:
  Friday, February 08, 2013 9:51 PM
Subject:
  [WISPA] KY show in April


Is anyone else looking to save some cash by
staying a mile or two away instead of right
downtown?

To me, $126 a nite +tax is a LOT for a motel
room.

Especially when I can find places within 4
miles for less than $50 a nite + tax.

I can't believe that parking or a taxi will
cost more than $75 a day...

Maybe I'm just cheap, but the only time I've
ever paid more than $69 a night was for a
special weekend away.

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Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.

I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace all my
UBNT CPE?

How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? 

Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?

Pricing?

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On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary
  wrote:


  
  Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450
series. Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub
$50, outdoor CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion,
though I'm feeling a lot older!

Sent from my iPhone
  
On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:

  
  

  
  So when can more information about these devices be had?
Is the licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment
from yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what
you buy?

Sent from my iPad
  
On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com
wrote:

  
  

  
  
  
  
I
actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and
different from
the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware
(filters and such), so I
don't yet have North American anecdotal examples.
Most international examples
are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions
for apps like smart
cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc.
The WISP market is a big
reason why we are doing the sector versions.

The
specs on the dual band sector are:
2.4
GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120H x 16V
5
GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120H x 8V

Effective
directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the
PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive
beamforming:
2.4
GHz: 48 dBm
5 GHz: 49 dBm

Those
of you smarter than I can probably do the math then
to get
an idea of range at various heights. The one example
I know from a trusted
source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps
with the USB device one mile
away from his house with the BTS mounted on the
railing of his 2nd story porch.
I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I
should assume mostly LOS to
be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the
CPE up as well, so that
should help the range too.


  Patrick
  Leary
  Alvarion
  727.501.3735



  
From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Matt
Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP
alternatives?
  



  Patrick,


  Out of curiosity what kind of
distance can you get from the
tower running 3X3?

Sent from my iPad


  
On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com
wrote:


  
Thanks
for the details Tyson. You are right, that
version is the
legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally
opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate
(obviously in top modulation). The new 2450
series are N-based and feature 6
radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3
MIMO. The versions include:

WBSn
2450-S which is a single 

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Thanks.

Along with the pricing, please send or link to some
documentation... 

I like the idea of beam-forming for both Tx and Rx. Under the PtP
power/gain rules, I suspect that there may be some usability in
NLoS.

I also suspect that beam-forming may help solve the 'hidden node'
problem.

Now, I'm thinking of how cool it would be to combine this with
AirMax. (not gonna happen, I know. Still cool)

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On 1/27/2013 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
The
2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single
sector or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE
connect to it just fine.
I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some
pricing examples
offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested
hit me OFFLIST and
I'll do the same. 


  Patrick
  Leary
  Alvarion
  727.501.3735



  
From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair
Davis
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP
alternatives?
  


I'd like more info on these or similar
  things as well.
  
  I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace
  all my UBNT
  CPE?
  
  How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? 
  
  Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?
  
  Pricing?
  
  --

  On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary
wrote:


  
Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted
  webinar on the 2450
  series. Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor
  CPE sub $50, outdoor
  CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm
  feeling a lot older!
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  

  On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" mhop...@indigowireless.com
  wrote:
  
  

  
So when can more information about
  these devices be had?
  Is the licensing going to be similar to the VL
  equipment from
  yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what
  you buy?
  
  Sent from my iPad
  
  

  On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com
  wrote:
  
  

  I
  actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and
  different from
  the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware
  (filters and such), so I
  don't yet have North American anecdotal examples.
  Most international examples
  are not WISP-based I understand, using omni
  versions for apps like smart
  cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums,
  etc. The WISP market is a big
  reason why we are doing the sector versions.
  
  The
  specs on the dual band sector are:
  2.4
  GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120H x 16V
  5
  GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120H x 8V
  
  Effective
  directed EIRP totals are high because they meet
  the
  PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive
  beamforming:
  2.4
  GHz: 48 dBm
  5 GHz: 49 dBm
  
  Those
  of you smarter than I can probably do the math
  then to get
  an idea of range at various heights. The one
  example I know from a trusted
  source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps
  with the USB device one mile
  away from his house with the BTS mounted on the
  railing of his 2nd story porch.
  I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I
  should assume mostly LOS to
  be safe. The beamforming is bi-direct

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Blair Davis]

  
  
BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear
Projection TV's as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got
bit by that capacitor issue...

You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well. Two of the
big boys in electronics.

Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s
you.

Live and learn.

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On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:


  
  Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me
elaborate.
  
  
  Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to
distributors. Why would they be any different? That wouldn't
make any sense and would go against every previous beta Ubiquiti
has ever done.
  
  
  Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take
months to get completed - usually involving sending it direct
yourself or back to your distributor who batches them back to
Latvia. With Ubiquiti, being US based, you just send the device
back to SJ and you get a new one.
  
  
  Support? You must have a secret number for MT support. The
only way I know to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums
where you'll get beat up... And heaven forbid you find a
bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And certainly no
discussion of competitors products on their forums because that
would be a bad thing.  I think it speaks worlds that MT uses
sometimes come over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help  and
people help them!
  
  
  Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum.
When was the last time you saw a MT firmware developer on the
forum answering questions?
  
  
  And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after
being in service for a year. . Oh it wait That issue
was never acknowledged was it?

Sent from my iPad
  
On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

  
  

  I'm not bitter, I just don't see their
advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that
of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price
doesn't have a huge gap between them.

  

Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months
  when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a
  beta unit or something, which is probably not the same
  product that you'd buy from a distributor.
  
Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have
over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer...

  
  
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  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM,
  Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
  wrote:
  

  Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these
things? Many of us have had them in heavy
production without issue for months.

Sent from my iPad
  

  
On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

  
  

  Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some
batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo
uptime.
  Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  On Jan 8, 2013 8:56
PM, "Mike Hammett" wispawirel...@ics-il.net
wrote:

  Do you have anything to base that on?
  
  I have both MT and UBNT devices that have
  been up without missing a beat since they
  last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
  
  Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to
  fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik,
  but give them a couple years and I think
  they'll be alright. I likely won't use the
   

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Of course. I run ROS on my own x86 all over the place.

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On 1/9/2013 6:35 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86
hardware?
  Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:

  
Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I
  don't like MikroTik. With Uniquiti there are no license
  levels. You get what you purchased.
  
  On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:
  


  
Because a bunch of people run cracked copies...
Josh Luthman
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matt
  Hoppes" mhop...@indigowireless.com
  wrote:
  
supp...@mikrotik.com?
Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to
supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for
support for a product I don't own.

On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org
wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike
Hammett wrote:
 I've been using both MT and UBNT for many
many years and I plan to
 use them both for many years. MT support
has been almost completely
 absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly
quickly. That said,
 usually when I notice a problem with my MT
product, it's already been
 fixed in a newer release.

 MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I
get timely responses
 from supp...@mikrotik.com.
I don't understand the people who
 complain on the forums that MT support is
horrible and refuse to
 e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.
I am not saying that Mike is one of
 those guys. I don't know if his statement is
based on experience
 with supp...@mikrotik.com
or not.

 The east europe/western asia folks just seem to
have a bit of a
 different take on things than we in North
America do. I think
 that's just due to the culture and language
differences. They tend
 to come off as being a bit brusk to us.

 I don't trust any newly shipping product in a
production environment.
 They go into designated test environments. The
Edge Router may be
 the best thing since sliced bread. However,
the devices I've used
 the Quagga stack on have let me down more than
the MikroTik routing
 stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices
were StarOS which
 had its own problems. Thankfully, we have
completed our 100% StarOS
 to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik
routers transition.

 When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it
on the desk. Then
 it will be put a nearby but small tower site.
If it behaves, I'll
 put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a
hurry to get my
 first EdgeRouter.

 Until then, I really like my 493Gs running
5.21. We have not run
 any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just
haven't. We picked
 up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason.

 I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It
has wireless. It
 works for my personal devices. I wouldn't
consider using RouterOS
 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when
they are calling it the