Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

[lakeland]

Brad

Call me. 516 551 1131. ASAP
Tnx

Bob
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From: Brad Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:27:45 
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

Matt, I understand your frustration. Did you spend the time to try and
figure out what the cost would be for the Atlanta build out? Today most
Muni's want someone to build and maintain on the service provider's dollar
which puts larger projects beyond most wisp budgets. Brad

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George Rogato wrote:
> It helps you because you get to be the muni wireless company rather 
> than a new player who may infringe upon your market share.
>
Even if we did do a deal with the city that wouldn't stop a new player 
from entering the market. Again, without something of value provided by 
the city there is no reason to do the deal.

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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts

[lakeland]

OK.  Bob gets flamed..

AUGH!

Not this thread again! Freakin magnets Come on guys!!

 Does anyone consider what would happen if someone used these mounts for an 
anchorage point while working on a tank??  And please dont say that it is 
obvious and no one would do it because nothing is obvious to everyone.

It would be obvious to clip in and have 100 % tie off but 2 guys have died so 
far this year after falling from towers with their harnesses in tact.

My position is do it right or dont do it

Bob
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:12:54 
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Carl Shivers wrote:
> We are going to be mounting Panel Sector antennas to 2 Water Towers. One
> tower is ideal with a rail that has been designed for pipe mounting. The
> other is not so kind. It simply has a ladder up the side and over the top,
> no catwalk. We were thinking about using one of those 170 lbs. Water Tower
> mounts. This means we either have to get a welder up there to weld the
> plates or come up with an industrial epoxy solution.
I have successfully used magnets on a couple of towers for 2 years now...

I don't completely trust them, so I also run a safety cable around the mast
and anchor it to a solid projection on the tower so that if the magnets did
turn loose, the mast wouldn't hit the ground, but in two years, and through
several thunderstorms and pretty good winds, the magnets haven't shifted
a bit that I can see.

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[WISPA] Re: Need emergency wireless internet service

[lakeland]

Marlon

Tower Stream can cover that with both wireless data and voice

Bob
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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:32:00 
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Subject: Re: Need emergency wireless internet service


Anyone help a stranded motorist in NY? 
  
laters, 
Marlon
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Marlon 
We've been having trouble at our Long Island City, Queens, NY site with the 
telephone company… completely out.. No voice data etc, we are running 
everything over a cellular connection right now,but looking for a fixed 
wireless solution. 
Can you find out if anyone offers wireless internet for Anheuser-Busch, 55-01 
Second Street, Long Island City, NY 11101?
 
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[WISPA] Looking for cheap RAS

[lakeland]

Anyone have a good source or do it yourselfa

Tnx

Bob
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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[lakeland]

OMG!

I guess you dont love me anymore because you dont return my emails

:-(


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From: Allen Marsalis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:16:57 
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Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks


I was a WISP in the late 90s and early 00s. Some of you may know 
me.  It's good to see many familiar faces still here.  In recent 
years, I have pursued new interests but I keep thinking back on my 
experiences as a WISP.  I had a lot of good times back then.  I'm 
thinking about creeping back into the WISP business.

After I sold in 2004, I followed a new trend in wireless in the press 
called "muni wireless" promoted by manufacturers such as Strix and 
Tropos.  This concept has taken some major blows in the press this month:

http://wifinetnews.com/archives/007869.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20521155/
http://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?ne...2a10&view=news
 

http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...ng_sitedefault
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/08/...thlink-el.html
 

http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/6120

This hits close to home because the company who bought my WISP 
(ShreveNet) boasted being the largest WISP with the largest muni WIFI 
network in the nation in Tempe AZ (NeoReach aka Kite aka MobilePro) 
which sold these properties recently to Gobility.  (Big Yawn)..

http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/

I'm certainly am not posting this thread to defend or even discuss 
the somewhat failed muni wireless concept.  Some say it was a failure 
because of the model rather than technology, caused by giving away 
free service to the anchor tenant (the city) and so 
forth.  Whatever... I couldn't care less about the past or Earthlink 
or Google, or MobilePro or huge muni wifi networks.

However I am fascinated by the mesh technology in general, especially 
after witnessing the old Nokia "collapsible" bridged mesh networks of 
the 90s.  LOL, a lot has changed since then.  I often wonder how Dave 
Peterson and Ultramesh/locustworld turned out.  Once upon a time, he 
sold product to a WISP near me in Vivian LA to build the first mesh 
network in the US. He ended up with some heavy debt.  Also I knew of 
a WISP in Leesville LA using Wave Wireless (Speedcom) mesh gear with 
pretty good technical results, that is, for a single radio 
system.  I'm thinking more along the lines of multiple radio systems.

I am brainstorming a new WISP model and I am seeking feedback and 
advice.  The concept goes something like this.  The muni network 
model touted in the press had many flaws as I see it.  Coming into an 
urban market after DSL and Cable has to be a steep uphill climb. Yet 
in 2007 there are still rural areas with no high speed solution in 
sight, particularly in the wooded Southeast where the old wireless 
models don't always work.  I posted the following statistics to the 
wireless boards nearly a decade ago as the results of my first 2.4GHz network.

In my area (Shreveport LA) 65 out of 100 business surveys came back 
positive (35 negative) for LOS. This was made possible by multistory 
buildings and large parking lots (lack of trees) Yet for residential 
service, only 5 came back positive while 95 came back 
negative.  Clearly there is a tree issue in many residential parts of 
the country.  This is the market that has few if any options as many 
keep hoping for DSL and cablemodem. Chainsaw jokes grow old fast around here.

Traditionally the tools for Foliar NLOS have been (a) the use of low 
frequency spectrum to penetrate through the offending object, and (b) 
route around the offending object by hopping around it, (c) increase 
the power to try and punch through the offending objects.  Add to 
these maybe OFDM to use multipath interference to our advantage but I 
see that as an Urban solution (reflections off buildings) more than a 
foliar solution (reflections off trees)  The 700mw SR9 combined with 
a cheap SBCs and appropriate TCP routing protocols appears to go a 
long way to make new things possible.

Please imagine a muni wireless mesh network that utilizes 900MHz 
cards instead of 5.8 and 2.4 cards.  Instead of nodes being 1000 feet 
apart atop light poles, they are now spread 1 or 2 miles 
apart.  Instead of it taking 15 or 20 nodes to cover one square mile, 
perhaps one node could cover 1 to 4 square miles.  Could this be a 
solution for wooded areas with low to moderate population 
densities?  In other words, do you know anyone who has ever built a 
mesh network using SR9s and SBCs with multiple radios to achieve 
redundancy and ubiquitous coverage for small towns in the 
Southeast?  And using no towers by the way, LOL?  As I see it, the 
SR9 has 4 non-overlapping

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[lakeland]

XXL  What are you going to do with it??  Make a tent  :-)


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From: Allen Marsalis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:30:01 
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks


I was only about a half year off.  Not bad for an old man.  :)   I'm 
not sure I remember your youngest though.  A belated congratulations 
to you!  I know you are proud of them both.  My son is now a freshman 
in high school and has outgrown me already.  Homecoming is this 
Saturday.  Wow how time flies. My daughter is 9 and in a few more 
years, she might be taller than me as well..

Yeah got one of those old BreezeCom shirts in XXL?  That is, if they 
aren't collectors items by now... ;)

Allen


At 08:32 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:
>LOL. My girls are 6.5 and 4 now. They don't care much what the shirt
>says so long as it has something sparkly on it. :)  And I have plenty of
>old BreezeCOM shirts still.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

[lakeland]

I believe that if someone wilfully interferes with your business you would have 
a case. Perfect example would be if your competition operated on the same non 
overlapping channell when other clear channels are available and you notified 
them that they were interfering with your system.

Your canopy example does not really relate to the issue. Motorola could make 
guns if they wanted to but that doesnt make them killers. As such, just because 
they make a spectrally inefficient radio does not make them an interferer.

Bob
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I would have to disagree with most of this thread.  You have two things going 
against you in this.  

1.  A free market economy.  
2.  License Free spectrum.

You can no more sue for someone putting up wireless in your "area" than you can 
if you owned a restaurant and McDonalds moved in next door.  This is a critical 
component of American society, so I doubt that any judge would even allow the 
suit to ever get in front of a jury.  If you can prove they are doing something 
illegal, like shooting your antennas with a .22 you might have a chance.

License free spectrum means that you are going to get interference.  Period.  
If interference were actionable, then Canopy would be out of business.  Let's 
face it guys, Canopy interferes with most of all other equipment in its 
spectrum.  By now, someone would have sued Canopy both on their equipment and 
on their marketing.  (Who has seen the Wireless Thug pic at the shows.  I know 
I have.)

Your best bet is to prove that they are using unauthorized gear such as amps, 
etc. and cajole the FCC into investigating.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman
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Jack,

   I don't think it would have to be anything illegal about the
interference. If someone moves into an area established by you  - where you
have an ongoing business and (for instance) someone hangs some Canopy and
creates the inability to recover from the noise - - that is a law suit in
the making. I am sure you would have to do all you could do and present the
evidence of such, but the one who knocked you oout of business would be
responsible for your lost income. 

 My partner (20% owner) is a Corporate attorney and we have had this
discussion on several occasions. I will ask him what his take on this is and
what grounds he bases this line of thought.

Mac



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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:09 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
> Situations
> 
> Onlist for my reply.
> It's also a good onlist discusion.
> 
> I have always believed that there is some way to combat someone who
> intentionally causes interference with an existing network to cause
> harm
> to the business or operation and or for financial gain.
> 
> I'm not a lawyer, so I can't even give any advice that would be worthy
> of taking to court.
> 
> But, to me, it's just unbelievable that criminal case can't be brought
> against the offending party. The same way the Ricco statutes were first
> used against the mob and in other racketeering cases.
> 
> 
> Statutory remedies for intentional acts. Many statutes provide remedies
> for intentional harms. Civil rights statutes provide remedies for
> intentional discrimination. Consumer fraud statutes provide remedies
> for
> unlawful trade practices. The federal RICCO statute provides remedies
> for victims of conspiratorial intentional conduct.
> 
> http://www.rnoon.com/law_for_laymen/litigation/intent.html
> 
> 
> Jack Unger wrote:
> > It's hard for me to accept that there are a few inconsiderate bullies
> > out there who would intentionally and maliciously jam other WISPs in
> > order to take over the customer base. I have recently seen probable
> > evidence of just such behavior. Because the FCC has no law (that I
> know
> > of) against this disgraceful behavior, legal recourse needs to be
> made
> > in state court and state laws do vary from state to state.
> >
> > Would anyone who has fought against this type of unethical behavior
> > please share with me (offlist please) what State law(s) they used?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > jack
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[WISPA] Re: OT: Wasps

[Lakeland]

I personally don't think its the RF that attracts them.  I have been on many 
towers and tanks with no antennas mounted and still have to deal with my 
little friends. Personally I think its the heat that the metal draws from 
the sun and the static electricity present on the face of the steel. 

And I agree with Butch. They are pretty passive unless they have built a 
nest up there and you are the lucky one to find it or you happen to grip one 
while climbing. This is obviously avoided by using gloves. 

You really should be more concerned with birds (hawks, eagles, etc) that may 
nest or roost up there and snakes. Yes..snakes like to go up there too. 

And then there is the real beast everyone should be worried 
aboutFALLING!  100% tie off at all times please. 

Be safe and say hi to the bees for me.  :-) 

-B- 






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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Does anyone know what causes the swarming behavior in wasps around 
towers.  I dont mean a few of them hanging out having a smoke and 
sharpening their stingers.  I mean the big swarms of hundreds.  We were 
at 4 different locations yesterday.  All of them were unclimbable due to 
swarms of wasps.  No nests on the structures either.


They are attracted to the RF for some reason.  As for climbing, they are 
generally docile (at least around here).  We usually see them around this 
time of year (or a bit later) as it starts to cool off. I suspect that the 
RF warms them.  Either way, the ones around here usually are around 
50-150'.  It is spooky climbing through them, but so long as you don't set 
your hand on one, they are pretty calm.  I was on a water tower a few 
years ago that had HUNDREDS of wasps floating around the top.  
Unfortunately, I was around the top, too. I spent 4 hours "in the swarm" 
with no stings. 


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Re: [WISPA] Longest 18ghz link

[lakeland]

4 foot dishes but i would prefer 11 ghz

Bob
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Subject: [WISPA] Longest 18ghz link


Hi,

Does anyone have any information on long 18ghz links? I keep running the 
path calculations on a link I am considering (28 miles with 2ft dishes) 
and I come up with 99.99% uptime for my region.

I would really like to chat with anyone that has anything around that 
range and frequency. I'm having a hard time believing those uptime 
numbers even in my area.

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Re: [WISPA] Buyouts

[lakeland]

Start a new company and roll their subscribers into that company.  Then the 
theory that Travis proposed still works.

:-)

Bob
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Well, with the one that I'm eyeing, it would just be their wireless 
operations.  They do many other services.  I doubt I could still use their 
name.  Others, yes, I could do that.


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Buyouts


> Why not keep both company names and pricing? Then if a customer is upset 
> with one company, they can switch to the other and you still keep them. ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> To those of you that have bought other WISPs:
>>
>> How long after the purchase of that other WISP were you able to keep them 
>> on their existing pricing?  How likely (with adequate service level) were 
>> customers to stay?
>>
>> I'm eyeing the purchase of another WISP, but their plans cost more than 
>> mine.  I'd hate to buy them for a multiple of revenue, and then they all 
>> change to my plans, making breakeven take longer.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
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>> http://www.ics-il.com
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Re: [WISPA] Changing Signal Strength

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Rip the weatherproofing off the connectors and open them up.  The complaint you 
state is consistent with moisture in the connections. When the moisture freezes 
between the connections the ice crystals form and decrease the connectivity.

Moisture may also be in the antennas or it may have "wicked" its way down to 
the connectors if the antennas have pigtails.

How are you weatherproofing your connectors???

Bob
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Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:22:25 
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Well, not really a pattern, but I know 2 mornings this week it was bad 
at 6:00AM and working at 8:00AM.
No dew this week.  Frost, but no dew.  We certainly tried to ensure all 
connectors were sealed.  I do have a climber going up that tower late in 
the week.  I will have him check the waterproofing on that antenna.  
Radios are at the bottom with 140' of LMR600.

Jason wrote:
> Does it happen in the morning when there is dew?  Could you be getting 
> water in the lmrX00 at the AP or something?  Is there some daily pattern?
>
> Jason
>
> Scott Reed wrote:
>> For the past week and a half, I have had a strange phenomenon going on
>>
>> that I can not explain.  I am hoping someone here can.
>> I have a couple of APs that have been exhibiting this, on that is 
>> doing it right now.  The one that is having problems is an RB333 with 
>> an SR9 card.  Normally the AP reports the 14 customers with signal 
>> strengths from -62 to -75 and all is fine.  Right now 3 are not 
>> connected and the remaining show signal strength of -84 to -91.  I 
>> have not found anything that makes a difference.  Sometime later this 
>> morning the signals will "magically" return to the good levels and 
>> all will be fine.
>> Any suggestions as to what is going on?
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Re: [WISPA] Moto Spectra lite

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If you get a Spectra link make sure you get a spare power supply. In the last 
three years i have replaced 9 of them.

I dont know what you are paying for the spectras but i have switched to Exalt 
EX5R equipment(www.exaltcom.com). Radio has 5.4 ghz. Built in spectrum 
analyzer. Asymetrical bandwith control. Gps sync, and comes in a connectorized 
version. And factory support is superb.

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From: "chris cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Subject: [WISPA] Moto Spectra lite


 

 

Hi-

 

Im looking at the Moto spectra lite units for a link that's just a hair
over 1 mile, clear LOS.  Vendor spec says they do 150 mb.  What actual
throughput have others seen using this product?  I'm looking for a
product that will deliver greater than 70 mb and am considering the
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Re: [WISPA] OT......Question

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K. Tnx
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Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:17:12 
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The only other issue you will have is finding all the XP drivers for the 
laptop. HP/Compaq no longer publish the XP drivers for laptops that come 
with Vista on them. You can still find them, it just takes a little 
searching.

Travis
Microserv

Bob Moldashel wrote:
> Thanks George.  I just want to leave Vista on there incase something 
> happens and I need to take the machine back to the geniuses at Best 
> Buy.  they love to turn stuff on and blame software for issues.  Its a 
> "just in case" issue.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> -B-
> On Dec 9, 2007, at 11:41 AM, George Rogato wrote:
>
>> Vista doesn't need partition magic, it has it's own partition utility 
>> built in.
>> So if you want to install linux, open up the vista partition utility, 
>> squeeze the partition size down for vista and then install linux. 
>> Linux will find the space.
>>
>> Also, no reason why you can't just wipe vista and put xp on there if 
>> you really don't want vista.
>>
>>
>> Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:
>>> I did basically the same thing a long time ago with Partition Magic 
>>> and OSXL
>>> boot loader. I resized the Windows partition, created a small one 
>>> for OSXL
>>> and used the remaining space for linux.
>>> Mike Bushard, Jr
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>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:29 AM
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>>> Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question
>>> Sorry for this one guys.  Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a 
>>> network  guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in 
>>> naturesort of
>>> I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the  
>>> dreaded MS Vista on it.  Is it possible to partition the hard 
>>> drive,  delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing 
>>> anything to  the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other 
>>> program available  to assist my non-OS compliant butt???  :-)
>>> If you want to reply offlist thats fine.
>>> Tnx.
>>> -B-
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Re: [WISPA] OT......Question

[lakeland]

It is not so much the new OS but the fact that many aftermarket programs do not 
work with it. And forget about printer drivers.  I have a plotter that is 
relatively new and there is no chance for a driver to work with Vista.

If you use it for present day sofware you are fine.

Bob
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In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

dreaded  MS Vista 


Why is everyone so down on Vista?  I have been using it for a long  time, 
starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without  
problems 
[laptops and PC's].  I think it is more a learning curve with so  many changes 
from the earlier versions.  Vista is here to stay and you  should be learning 
it-not going backwards.  


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Re: [WISPA] OT......Question

[lakeland]

My appologies to the list.  The one thing i was hoping to avoid was an OS 
thread.  We all know how that discussion loads up the list hard drive.


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Re: [WISPA] OT......Question

[lakeland]

Will do.  Tnx
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Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:45:32 
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Bob:

Take a look at http://apcmag.com/5023/dual_booting_xp_with_vista

And goto the section labeled: "Get Started - Using DISKPART".. Don't pay
any attention to the steps prior to the "Get Started - Using
DISKPART"...

It is very straight forward and simple...

It works.. I have done this for multiple laptops that I put in the
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Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
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Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question

Sorry for this one guys.  Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network  
guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of

I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the  
dreaded MS Vista on it.  Is it possible to partition the hard drive,  
delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to  
the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available  
to assist my non-OS compliant butt???  :-)

If you want to reply offlist thats fine.

Tnx.

-B-

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Re: [WISPA] Climbing gear

[lakeland]

www.midwestunlimited.com

You can tell them i sent ya. 

Bob
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:29:19 
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Subject: [WISPA] Climbing gear


Where do you guys get your climbing gear?


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Re: [WISPA] tranzeo weirdness

[lakeland]

Ground one side of the shielded cat5. Dont ground the top..ground the bottom.

Make sure the POE is grounded.

Is the radio grounded to tower steel or is it isolated from the tower somehow??

Make sure all the equipment is grounded to the master tower ground

Verify that the ground pins on all the AC plugs are in tact. No adapters.

Bob
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All-

I have the following setup that is giving me fits, (still):

350' FM tower, 25K watt FM bays up near the top, another set, 3k, down  
around 220'.   We have two MT backhauls w/ parabolics located in  
between the FM antennas that are running fine.  Down around 180' we  
have a tranzeo 5AN w/ a 120 sector that's got us all fouled up.  The  
first radio lived fine for a couple of months then started flopping up  
and down and finally died.  Replaced that unit with one that stayed up  
for @ 15 minutes, then locked us out, couldnt ping it either. It was  
powered up, but lan light was out. Swapped in another new unit that  
behaved the same. Swapped poe, AC adapters, recrimped and tested  
cabling good. Tried to get into unit, still no go.  We considered the  
cable length as a possible problem, so we spooled off the exact cable  
length needed (230') stretched it across the ground and sent  
continuous pings to a new radio for @ 20 minutes with no dropped  
packets.  We then raised this new cable up and plugged it into the  
existing radio on the tower.  It would power up fine, but couldnt find  
it with the discovery utility and couldnt ping it.  We regrounded,  
recrimped, retested everything and the stupid thing still wouldnt come  
to life.  So we dropped the 230' of cabling and radio back down to the  
ground, powered it back up and could get right into it. It would drop  
packets every now and then however.  We plugged a new radio into the  
cable and it ran flawlessly.  I thought of pointing at the lower FM  
array, but we had the same symptoms when the 3K watt station was  
powered off. The cabling is all sheilded.  The MT units are running  
fine on the same type of cabling on the same leg.  Ive considered  
running the cabling in conduit and isolating the radio and radio  
ground from the tower, but would like to consider anything else before  
going that route.  Maybe we are the victims of three bad radios in a  
row?  I dont want to have to shoot these radios, but they're starting  
to make us pretty cranky.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] DFS Rules

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5.4 is available now. What manufacturer are you using???
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Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:27:28 
To:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] DFS Rules 


Can anyone give me the low down on the DFS Rules.

Are there any channels in the 5.3 section that is not affected by
radar?

We have some towers that have multiple radios with channel plans
that incorporate all 5ghz spectrum from ap's to backhaul links.

To loose the 5.3 to radar dramatically affects our network because now
I have to figure out how I'm going to fit all the radios in 5.8ghz.

Has this hindered anyone else and to what extent? Any ideas to squeeze 
in radios on 5.8.

I heard 5.4 will be available,  is his so and when?

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

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Matt

I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24  months.  1 outage the 
result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day 
from Canada. 

Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU 
architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget.

I have no experience with the trango.

Bob
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I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave.  DragonWave is rock solid. 
Never a problem.  Have several systems.
We are still trying to get the Trango to play.  Lots of signal but not 
running well at all.

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> Matt,
>
> I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do
> 105Mbps full-duplex (200Mbps total) for your price range and you can do
> a software upgrade to 300Mbps full-duplex (600Mbps total) for about
> $5,000 extra (at a later date, when you need the speed). It's an IDU/ODU
> setup and you use LMR-400 between them.
>
> You could lease the 600Mbps version on a 36 month, $1 buyout for less
> than you are paying for your fiber. ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
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> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am
>> currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers
>> and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the
>> towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is
>> 2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm
>> planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be
>> able to maintain 100meg speeds.
>>
>> I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for
>> this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd
>> like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a
>> $12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list
>> about this one.
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question

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How do I turn off Airmax.  I don't see a setting for it

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From: "timothy steele" 
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Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question
Date: Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:23 pm
Turn AirMax off set to AP WDS

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:


Is it running Airmax and the old one was a Pico (not M)?

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What was the previous ap?

--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Bob Moldashel  wrote:





From: Bob Moldashel 
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question




To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 6:58 PM

OK   Quick question



Have a unit new out of the box will not connect to any subs.  Set up as 
an AP, 20 Mhz channel, 2.4 Ghz channel 1.

What am I missing???

Any input is appreciated.

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Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[lakeland]

The station engineer should be the lead information contact. If he is clueless 
most AM stations have engineering firms on retainer.

Adding equipment to certain stations can change the antenna radiation pattern. 
Obviously the FCC doesn't lie this.  ;-)

-B-

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From: "Brian Gray" 
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:43 pm
Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far as 
mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for us 
or the AM tower?
How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas?

How do I ground my gear?
My initial thoughts are:
Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower.Run 1" metallic 
liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200',
continue run from enclosure with 1" MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum 
enclosurerun 2 3/4" MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT 
NB25 to start with)run 3 3/4" MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas 
(probably UBNT Rocket M2)
drill small weep holes in 3/4" runs as they will not be weather tight to 
radiosrun shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight.Put 2-3 ferrite cores on 
the ends of all of the cables.
install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and just 
before router.wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from 
enclosure to circuit panelNo clue on grounding this thing.

Thank you in advance!


Brian Gray
 
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Re: [WISPA] Monopole mount

[lakeland]

Site Pro 1.  Part No. CHGPS.  Chain mount that normally is used in the cell 
industry for GPS antennas.  We have used them for microwave projects and the 
work great. $189 plus ship.

 www.sitepro1.com


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From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Monopole mount
Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:36 am
Wireless Beehive have the Tower Mount  Series of mounts, one of them its for 
corner mounting but can be adapted for monopoles:

http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=45&Cat=

just use a chain around it with a bolt to adjust


Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143


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On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan

Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:52 PM

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Subject: [WISPA] Monopole mount




Hello,





I've got a customer who's apparently installed a 120' monopole so they'll be 
able to get service from us. Anyone have a bead on a monopole mount? I looked 
it up on Tessco,
and they seemed to be $500ish. I'd like to find something more like $150.





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Re: [WISPA] OT: Proxim 5054

[lakeland]

I assume you don't have the log in user and password?  

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From: "Dan Petermann" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Proxim 5054
Date: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:26 pm


Does anyone know how to default a Proxim 5054 WITHOUT the stock power supply?

Basically I need to know what pairs to short out to do a full default.
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA

[lakeland]

Good luck Cliff.  There is so much LTE/4G upgrade work going on right now its 
almost impossible to come up with a last minute crew.




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From: Cliff Leboeuf  
Date: 04/25/2013  9:52 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA 
 
We need a climber for the Baton Rouge area today. Does anyone have a 
recommendation?

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Re: [WISPA] GA Aircraft Interrupting Microwaves?

[lakeland]

Unless one of your sites is right by the airport I would say aircraft are not 
the issue. 


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From: Matt Hoppes  
Date: 04/29/2013  10:39 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: memb...@wispa.org,WISPA General List  
Subject: [WISPA] GA Aircraft Interrupting Microwaves? 
 
I've got a bizarre one here

Has anyone else ever experienced a GA aircraft flying in front of a 
tower and breaking a microwave (in this case RADWin) path long enough to 
bring down the link for approximately 10 seconds?

We have a tower that loses connectivity about once or twice a day for 
around 10 seconds, and all data points to it being some GA aircraft 
taking off from a local field and having a flight path that takes them 
right in the RF path of the microwave.

Next calm day one of the local pilots is going to fly a few touch-n-goes 
for us to confirm the theory.

Just curious if anyone else has ever encountered this?

~ Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Electrical noise problem / need solution

[lakeland]

Scott,

A few questions.

What power are you running up the tower, 120VAC?

Need to know make and model on the Tsunami. 

Are they losing the link on both sides or just one?

Your cable may be inducing something onto their cable that is screwing with the 
radio's conversion freq if its a two piece radio like a Tsunami 45 or Tsunami 
100.

Did an AM RF engineering firm review your proposed install?

Let me know what cha got...

Bob


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From: Scott Carullo  
Date: 05/13/2013  10:10 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] Electrical noise problem / need solution 
 
I'll try to keep this as brief as possible while providing pertinent info - 
thanks if you reply

FM tower with AM detuner skirt from 0-150ft - fm tower has isolated guy wires 
and is well grounded at base
AM tower ~60 yards away operating at 50KW with 4 arrays max

We did new install there and ran power wire up tower in non-shielded SOOW 14/3 
wire to 325ft from inside building at base
Right after it was pulled up tower I happened to be running the bottom into the 
building and got shocked, not just by the cable but by about everything around 
me.  Not fun, RF burn is something you don't want to experience lol.  Its 
unbelievable really, watch this short video from my phone - you can hear the am 
station coming out of the arc welder like sparks.  
http://flhsi.com/files/wow.mov  Remember, this cable is not powered up its just 
hanging there...  Gives you something to think about.

So obviously I decided it was best not to hook it up to the equipment at 325ft 
or the power UPS at the bottom.  I looked for a solution and ended up buying 
replacement power cable called Armor-X which is fully armored / shielded 14/3 
power cable.  Actually really nice stuff it looks like 1/2 inch coax from the 
outside almost exactly.  I used coax grounding kits about every 50ft up the 
tower and one at top where enters my stainless box and one where it enters the 
building on the common ground plate.  I also ran the cable up the inside of the 
tower instead of the outside - a seasoned engineer told me running it inside 
the tower would provide shielding as well from the AM station.  This fixed my 
AM issues and allowed me to successfully power the equipment without issue.

Next problem - Another customer at the tower lost link on their 5Ghz when I 
powered up the new cable.  They are using an older tsunami radio with coax up 
the tower to their antenna.  I believe that our power cable is located about 6 
- 12 inches from their coax the whole run up to 325ft (not positive though - I 
have not been back to find out yet).  I need to not have their tsunami get 
noise on the coax and drop the RF chains and lose link.  When I unplug the 
power to my cable their radio link comes up / plug in theirs goes down in 
minute or so.  Repeatable.  Not an RF issue we turned all transmitters off - 
its just the power cable causing the issue.

Since I have it bonded well I'm not sure how to rectify this.  I need to deal 
with this soon.  Any ideas would be very appreciated.  Thanks for your time.

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

[lakeland]

Sounds like yoy could use a couple of Dragonwave Pseudowire units.  16 T1 to 
Ethernet. Copper only for you would need to media convert for f iber.

Bob


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From: m...@tc3net.com 
Date: 05/20/2013  11:33 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX 
 
Check for pseudowire devices, I have also used Cisco routers to create a 
transparent bridge group over MLPPP, as well as bonding using the Zhone 
etherextend products. Most of the time I use the Zhone's.

Regards
Michael Baird

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:16:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

Matt,

We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day.
They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products
were pretty simple to setup:
http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/


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Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

Hi All,
Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be
transparent) and Ethernet?  I need to MUX them together on one end, and then
unMUX on the other end.  Again... it all needs to be transparent.
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Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Ghz links and high tension inter-state powet lines...

[lakeland]

Go for it.  You should be fine.  There will be no power issues as the 200 feet 
greatly exceeds the allowable distances for fixed appurtences. 

RF wise you should also have no issue.  We have many links passing through 
lines with no issue.

-B-


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From: Mike Lyon  
Date: 05/26/2013  12:59 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Ghz links and high tension inter-state powet lines... 
 
Howdy!

Has anyone ever installed wireless equipment close to high-tension
power lines? Like inter-state HV transmission lines?

If so, what do i need to be aware of? Would they interfere with the
radios at all? If say a 40ft towet was installed within 200 ft of an
80ft power line tower,  would there be any issues? Any chance of the
tower coupling with HV lines?

Thoughts on the matter?

-mike

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Re: [WISPA] Metal building parapet wall mount for 3ft dish question

[lakeland]

Scott,

Its either brick with metal covering it or it hollow with light steel H beam 
construction.

If its block underneath or if its steel I would drill all the way through and 
sandwich the wall on each side.

We would use a Site Pro 1 WM1665 or SP250-6 with 2 pieces of 3 x 3 angle on the 
back side. 

If the wall is hollow just dandwich both sides of a vertical beam. 

You may need to notch out the metal for the mount to sit flush against the beam.

If its block you just need to shim up the mount to accomodate the corrugated 
surface. Site Pro sells square backer washers that can be used for this.

Bob

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From: Scott Carullo  
Date: 05/26/2013  10:09 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] Metal building parapet wall mount for 3ft dish question 
 
I've never disassembled a parapet wall on a metal building to see whats back 
behind the sheet metal that runs vertical on the roof side of the parapet wall, 
but I need to know whats back there and the best way to attach a 3ft licensed 
radio and dish and the mount needs to be beefy - as in welded galvanized mount 
that probably weighs 50 pounds itself.  I'm going to need to tie into something 
substantial behind the flimsy wall sheet metal.  I've mounted lighter loads to 
these walls but I just need this to stay put - it can't flex or move at all I 
have 3deg to work with on 11ghz and its out of town.

Anyone know of a mount that works good for this or can tell me whats back in 
there?  They must all be made similarly as every metal building I've seen is 
built the same.  I have included a link to a photo showing exactly what it 
looks like.  Dish needs to go next to the other jpole there - I have no idea 
what that is and I didn't put it there fyi :)

Thanks, appreciate it.   

Link - http://flhsi.com/files/parapet.jpg

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti M5 Powerbridge

[lakeland]

Ok. Tnx


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From: Stuart Pierce  
Date: 07/12/2013  7:11 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com,WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti M5 Powerbridge 
 
What they said Big Bob, definitively more flexibility with a RocketM5, actually 
less expensive when paired with a panel and being able to use DFS is a plus if 
the situation allows.

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From: Scott Carullo 
Reply-To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List 
Date:  Fri, 12 Jul 2013 00:29:31 -0400

>what he said
>
>Scott Carullo
>Technical Operations
>855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>From: "Mike Hammett" 
>Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:20 PM
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti M5 Powerbridge
>
>Get a pair of Rockets and put them into a flat panel with an enclosure by 
>someone like ARC Wireless or IT Elite. They're a lot more flexible in terms 
>of antenna selection, DFS availability, lower replacement cost, better RF 
>shielding, etc.
>
>-
>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>http://www.ics-il.com
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Bob Moldashel" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:13:49 PM
>Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti M5 Powerbridge
>
>Anyone have any good or bad things to say about these?  I am getting 
>roped into a couple of links and looking for feedback before I marry 
>them to myself.
>
>Tnx
>
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[WISPA] Alvarion Demise?

[lakeland]

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/60986.php


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Re: [WISPA] Siklu/Dragonwave 80 Ghz..

[lakeland]

There are no 3' dishes at 80 Ghz.  We have quite a bit of experience installing 
Bridgewave and Proxim milimeter wave equip.  We actually installed the first 
few pairs of Bridgewave AR80x units for Bayone Medical Center. They weree the 
first set of parallel links ever placed.

While I agree that 80 is much more resilient than 60 Ghz, reliable distances at 
throughput modulation levels are limited to less than a mile with 2' dishes and 
moderate rain. Every link we have in place has adaptive rate modulation and 
where it is turned on, really regardless of distance, has throttled back at on 
time or another.

And a clarification on the Dragonwave ... Looking for feedback on Horizon E 
band unit which is private labeled Siklu.  We have plenty of experience with DW 
and they are easily one of my manufacturers of choice. They make $hit that 
works the first time.


Bob


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From: Fred Goldstein  
Date: 10/14/2013  11:57 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Siklu/Dragonwave 80 Ghz.. 
 
On 10/14/2013 11:08 PM, Robert wrote:
> What are the max distances these will do with the 3 foot dishes?
> (moderate rain, not tropical rain)...
>

I don't think we have pushed the envelope here.  I've seen the charts, 
though.  It very much depends on your tolerance for outages.  If this is 
the sole link to some place, and it is mission-critical, then you can't 
tolerate much down time and you can get really hurt by rain.  If the 
rain is falling 40 mm/hour, it could knock around 15 dB/km off your 
path, which doesn't get you very far.  But that's unusual here in the 
northeast; most storms are maybe half that strong. Three or four miles 
should be quite reliable; a 10-mile link might be workable if you have a 
fallback path, but we haven't done it.

> On 10/14/2013 07:47 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>> On 10/14/2013 7:33 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
>>> OK.  So a customer pops up out of no where and says he is interested in
>>> one of these links.  Does anyone have any positive/negative/neutral
>>> comments/experience?
>>>
>>> On or off list
>>>
>>
>> We have a few Dragonwaves going, 50 and 200 Mbps, some for a few miles
>> in an urban core environment, and they seem pretty nice.  The licensed
>> 80 GHz band has much better range than unlicensed 60 GHz, though of
>> course the very narrow beamwidth means you have to have a good antenna
>> mount and be careful about storm damage, or about some bozo working on
>> the roof who disturbs it.
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Re: [WISPA] iPerf as a Real-World Performance Simulation Tool

[lakeland]

Don't remember.  Solved the problem with matching machines


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From: Josh Luthman  
Date: 11/12/2013  9:10 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPerf as a Real-World Performance Simulation Tool 
 
Don't use cheap chipsets on the laptop.  Who shipped the laptops you had 
problems with?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 12, 2013 9:09 PM, "Bob Moldashel"  wrote:
We have seen download/upload irregularities when using it with different types 
of laptops/processors.  Overall it is a good tool.

Something to check first is to test laptop to laptop with a cossover cable and 
see what your results are first.  Nothing like chasing a problem that isn't 
there.

-B-




On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bret Clark  wrote:

I've used it on a PI and found it to be   very accurate.  Next to Iperf, 
put/get files from an FTP server provides good throughput measurements. 

On 11/12/2013 02:49 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
Is it accurate using it on a Raspberry-pi? I was loading up my first one today 
to try out Iperf. Since someone on this thread mentioned 'CPU', I was wondering 
if that would be an issue on a PI? Clocked at 800Mhz..


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Mike Hammett 
   wrote:
iPerf is very accurate in what it tells you. What you draw from those 
conclusions may or may not be accurate.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Sam" 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:50:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] iPerf as a Real-World Performance Simulation Tool


Has anyone used iPerf before? I'm curious of your thoughts as to the
reliability, and how the results would map to a real-world environment.
For example, a friend was testing some 3.65 radios (which had no
connection to the Internet) using iPerf. Based upon the iPerf results, a
determination was made regarding maximum concurrent users per AP and
maximum aggregate bandwidth capacity of the radio. For the maximum
concurrent users I believe they tested this at several different
download and upload speed for the fictional users.

Having never used iPerf, I don't know if the results from their tests
(which were very poor by the way - much lower than common configurations
of DL/UL rates as well as number of users per AP I've read many of you
describing on these lists) map reasonably to what one would expect from
a given AP, or if they tend to be wonky.

Thanks,
Sam
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[WISPA] Need Bandwidth in Ft Myers FL

[lakeland]

Looking for 25 Meg FD with SLA.  Brokers need not apply.  

Contact me offlist.

Tnx

-B-

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Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

[lakeland]

Scott

It is not possible to get a link licensed in 2-3 weeks.  Where is this info 
coming from?

Bob


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From: Scott Carullo  
Date:01/13/2014  1:38 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List ,WISPA General List 
 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

Yep, we use ligowave gear.  I can usually count on it providing 50-100mb with 
20mb channel if not a lot of interference.

for 200fdx you have one real option.  buy yourself a SAF licensed link 11Ghz 
2ft dishes high powered.  You can get a license as quick as you can buy and 
setup the gear.  If you think otherwise you should call me I can help you with 
getting the gear and the license.  Only way to fly and for less than 10K 
you have all of it bought, delivered, licensed and installed in about 2-3 weeks.

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:38 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Anyone with first-hand experience in this type of setup ?

http://www.ligowave.com/ligoptp-5-23-unity

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

From: "Ian Framson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:10:07 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Hi Wisps,

We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles 
(real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking 
at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, 
although we're open to suggestions. 

The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade 
license.  We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the 
limiting factor at this point.

Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility.

Your thoughts?

Ian Framson
Co-founder


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Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

[lakeland]

Thats great and all but here is the argument...

Coordination is not licensing.  There are coordinators out there that say you 
can start operating after the coordination is complete. The Commission says 
otherwise.  Only the FCC can grant transmitter authorization and their position 
is that until authorization has been granted, operating otherwise is illegal.

If someone can show me otherwise then by all means please do.

Bob


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From: Daniel White  
Date:01/13/2014  2:28 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

Expedited PCN is 15 day response time.
 
So long as you are licensing your gear in a Conditional Authorization band… 3 
weeks is more than possible from when you first submit paperwork to your 
frequency coordinator.
 
Some coordinators charge more for Expedited PCN response though FYI.
 

Daniel White | Sales Manager West & Southeast USA
SAF North America LLC

Cell:
+1 (303) 746-3590
Skype:
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E-mail:
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of lakeland
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:22 PM
To: sc...@flhsi.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
 
Scott
 
It is not possible to get a link licensed in 2-3 weeks.  Where is this info 
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Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

[lakeland]

On the coordination yes.  On the licensing... no.

Licensing is presently running 10-12 weeks


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 Original message 
From: Josh Luthman  
Date:01/13/2014  2:23 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Cc: sc...@flhsi.com 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

I thought you could do a rush on it?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 2:21 PM, lakeland  wrote:
Scott

It is not possible to get a link licensed in 2-3 weeks.  Where is this info 
coming from?

Bob


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 Original message 
From: Scott Carullo 
Date:01/13/2014 1:38 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List ,WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

Yep, we use ligowave gear.  I can usually count on it providing 50-100mb with 
20mb channel if not a lot of interference.

for 200fdx you have one real option.  buy yourself a SAF licensed link 11Ghz 
2ft dishes high powered.  You can get a license as quick as you can buy and 
setup the gear.  If you think otherwise you should call me I can help you with 
getting the gear and the license.  Only way to fly and for less than 10K 
you have all of it bought, delivered, licensed and installed in about 2-3 weeks.

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102




From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:38 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Anyone with first-hand experience in this type of setup ?

http://www.ligowave.com/ligoptp-5-23-unity

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

From: "Ian Framson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:10:07 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Hi Wisps,

We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles 
(real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking 
at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, 
although we're open to suggestions. 

The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade 
license.  We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the 
limiting factor at this point.

Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility.

Your thoughts?

Ian Framson
Co-founder


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Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

[lakeland]

I know what Daniel was saying but the statement was 3 weeks to license but 
that's not the case


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From: Mike Hammett  
Date:01/13/2014  4:50 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

I believe what Daniel was referring to was the FCC. The coordination part was 
just saying that in addition to extra FCC fees, you may have extra coordination 
fees.



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From: "lakeland" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 3:51:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Thats great and all but here is the argument...

Coordination is not licensing.  There are coordinators out there that say you 
can start operating after the coordination is complete. The Commission says 
otherwise.  Only the FCC can grant transmitter authorization and their position 
is that until authorization has been granted, operating otherwise is illegal.

If someone can show me otherwise then by all means please do.

Bob


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 Original message 
From: Daniel White 
Date:01/13/2014 2:28 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

Expedited PCN is 15 day response time.
 
So long as you are licensing your gear in a Conditional Authorization band… 3 
weeks is more than possible from when you first submit paperwork to your 
frequency coordinator.
 
Some coordinators charge more for Expedited PCN response though FYI.
 

Daniel White | Sales Manager West & Southeast USA
SAF North America LLC

Cell:
+1 (303) 746-3590
Skype:
danieldwhite
E-mail:
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of lakeland
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:22 PM
To: sc...@flhsi.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
 
Scott
 
It is not possible to get a link licensed in 2-3 weeks.  Where is this info 
coming from?
 
Bob

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Re: [WISPA] Completed Video of Tower work and quadcopter

[lakeland]

Yeah...Thanks alot for the video Gino..  Now I have $1250 less in my account 
thanks to you and your video..

;-)

-B-


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From: Mike Hammett  
Date:02/03/2014  10:05 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Completed Video of Tower work and quadcopter 

Oh, that's not bad, then. So if the guys can be on the tower, it can be there 
to record? Well, for a few minutes, anyway.



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From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 9:03:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Completed Video of Tower work and quadcopter

Not sure, I'm guessing it was 20-25 mho winds the day of our shooting



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com   
@aeronetpr



From: Mike Hammett 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Monday, February 3, 2014 10:35 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Completed Video of Tower work and quadcopter

How much wind can it handle?



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From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:14:24 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Completed Video of Tower work and quadcopter

Final edited version:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spQgL3bS_Y
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Guy Wire Calculator

[lakeland]

Kevin

Do yourself a favor and put up the Nello 25N version not the Rohn.  The legs 
will line up better and you wont have to deal with holes plugged with 
galvanizing.

Nello will provide you with a material list for your install according to your 
area.

Bob

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From: Eagle One Wireless  
Date:03/16/2014  5:05 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Guy Wire Calculator 

Thanks chuck
That wil work perfect



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On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

If you haven't bought the tower already, it's just as easy to buy a kit.  The 
kit also has the lengths as well...so you can review that.  Also, there's a 
document on the Rohn site that has it as well under the Rohn25 specs.

Regards,
Chuck


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Eagle One Wireless  wrote:
We are putting up a 120 ft rohn 25 tower. First tower we have actually put up 
in a few years. Anyone have a calculator to help me figure up how much guy wire 
to order?

And maybe how many sets i need?

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin Melson

Eagle One Wireless

1505 Hwy 72 E

Corinth, MS 38834

662-287-1722

e...@e1w.com

www.e1w.com

 

 

 

 


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Re: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question

[lakeland]

Scott

First I have heard of military radar operating in the upper 5.8 spectrum but 
the equipment is probably older than the NTIA/FCC database.

Part 15 states your equipment must accept interference and must not cause 
interference.  As such, if the military can prove that your equipment is 
causing interference to theirs and they are authorized to operate in that 
spectrum, and the interference is effecting their mission, they could get the 
FCC involved and could issue you a cease and desist notice.

Do I think that will happen? No. 

Do I think if it is really causing an issue you may get a "request"?  Thats a 
possibility.

Do I think the military/Nasa has a real good relationship with the Miami field 
office? Yes

Politically I dont think you will see anything happen unless they can prove the 
issue and state a heavy case. The Commission does not have the resources to 
track down all the 5.8 operators on the Florida coast.

I would be concerned if someone from the field office shows up at your door 
(with proper ID) or you have to sign for your mail because it comes certified. 
I would also be concerned if a humvee full of guys with assault weapons showed 
up in uniform but thats a long shot. :-)

(Considering how warm it is in Florida right now i dont think you will find a 
commission field engineer in a hurry to come out and visit you in one of their 
1986 Ford Escort fleet vehicles with no AC... Lol)

Just make sure you have your EIRP's where they are suppose to be and if you are 
using the.lower spectrum, your DFS is enabled.

Finallyif you do get a visit...say nothing. The more info you provide the 
more trouble you will create. Let them request info. You do not have a FCC 
license so that puts you on a different playing field from licensed spectrum. 
Get professional counsel if you get contacted.

I have had numerous dealings with the Commission with interference issues and 
most of those were reasonable meetings.

Good luck but I think you're safe.

-B-


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From: Scott Carullo  
Date:05/07/2014  12:01 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question 

Good morning,
 
We operate between two local Air Force bases and near KSC as well.  We were 
notified recently that the AFB has resorted to using an older radar system that 
was previously retired due to the newer range radar system catching fire or 
something to that effect.  During the two months or so the repairs are expected 
to take we have had several space launches scheduled during this window from 
CCAFS / KSC.  The USAF has fired up the old radar and has recently contacted us 
asking about equipment we have in the area at customer premises.  I asked the 
frequency coordinator what freq their radar uses he said the center freq was 
5735 and that it had a very wide bandwidth of like 100 Mhz basically taking the 
whole ISM/UNII bands worth of spectrum in 5Ghz.
 
So any way to the point...  When the USAF shows up and says hey, I see you are 
using FCC approved equipment in accordance to the FCC spectrum rules the 
equipment was designed to operate in on freq 5765Mhz - but I need you to turn 
it off to see if its your equipment we are seeing - and if it is please change 
freq "preferably below 5600 MHz or above 5850 MHz" (actual quoted request).
 
Obviously we can't accommodate their request for several reasons,most notably 
because the equipment nor the FCC allows it.  I'm just curious if any of you 
have had anything like this happen and what your response was / would be.
 
I try to be a nice neighbor and work with them any way possible but them trying 
to shut down the whole 5Ghz non-licensed upper band all our equipment uses 
(including every other cable and wireline providers wifi 5Ghz equipment in the 
county) to work their range RFI issues is a bit much and ultimately 
unattainable within the 3 days they have left prior to launch, IMO.
 
Any insight or suggestions you smart fellers have would be appreciated.  I am 
particularly interested in those more intimate with FCC rules regarding this 
situation.  Do I have to comply?  Do they have legal justification to just say 
- turn it off...  etc
 
Thanks...   I appreciate your time in responding.
 
Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
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Re: [WISPA] looking for feedback on Exalt - ExploreAir

[lakeland]

Great product.  Works like a dream. No sales fluff in that stuff

-B-

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Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 02:21:15 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for feedback on Exalt - ExploreAir

Which session?

-
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On 9/4/2010 10:37 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:

Marco,

I don't have experience but there is a PowerPoint presentation on the wiki  

from the regional meeting.


Rick

Marco Coelho  wrote:


Exalt - ExploreAir
http://www.exaltcom.com/ExploreAir-all-outdoor-licensed.aspx

Is anyone using these in a production environment that want's to share
performance and reliability data?

Marco
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Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower

[lakeland]

Nello.  The holes line up, the hardware count is always complete, the  
construction drawings are simple, no need to drill galvanizing out of the  
legs and the price is right


Rohn makes em but you will pay for the name.

-B-

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Subject: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower





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Re: [WISPA] Rope

[lakeland]

BOB.  <--  Head getting much bigger than it already is  :-)

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From: Rick Harnish 
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Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2011 22:10:55 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope

I was hoping Bob would chime in here.  There isn't anyone I could recommend
that everyone listen to more than Bob!

Rick


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Steve,

Rope is usually sold in 600 and 1200 foot rolls.  My crews use 7/16"
Kernmantle on most jobs. 5/8" for big stuff.

We have small rope bags with 5/16" Kernmantle that gets carried up and
thrown down.  Then the bigger stuff is pulled up. The bags will store
500-600' and it plays out of the bag fine without binding.

All of our other rope is carried in garbage pails with covers. Two
handles
make it easy to carry and it stays watertight when snapped closed.

You can find 600' of 1/2" Arborist Rope on E-Bay for about $250 includes
shipping.  Longer lengths will cost considerably more.

Bob





Steve Barnes writes:

> Looking at rope to winch equipment (antennas, Boxes, etc) to top of
towers None over 275' nothing more than 100 Lbs.
>
> Couple Questions.
>
> What Rope do you prefer and size and what length do you recommend?  I
have a 400Ft Spool of 3/8 Poly double braided but its not long enough.
>
> How do you store your rope for transport to keep it untangled.
>
> What do you use as a throw line to get the rope to the top.   Most of
my towers the climber cant pull to the top.
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi<http://www.rcwifi.com/>



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Re: [WISPA] Rope

[lakeland]

Throwing down a smaller rope may not seem like a good idea but what are you  
going to do when you have to rig a pedestal water tank where you need to  
climb up the center tube or a tower that has 6 carriers below you and you  
can't make a straight climb?


My statement comes from 30 years of experience. 

Having one rope might work in 90 percent of the situations but its those" oh  
sh#t" moments where having a throw line makes life easy and expedites the  
project.  


-B-

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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

[lakeland]

Agreed.  Fiber is dirt cheap on Ebay. NOS.  Media converters for less than  
$100 each


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Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 22:24:44 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 17:17 -0400, Blair Davis wrote:

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or
cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to
site 4 is 2400 ft. 


I would HIGHLY recommend fiber for this.  I am assuming these are
different buildings.  If they are, and they are on their own electric
meters, then grounding alone would make me want use fiber instead of
copper.  There are some solutions out there that will use the copper
lines, but I'd still go with fiber.Cost difference is likely to be
minimal and by the time you save $$ on the ethernet extenders (SDSL type
devices), you may come out at nearly the same cost with more bandwidth
to boot.

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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

[lakeland]

With copper you need to consider the differences of ground potential between  
sites.  Fiber eliminates that issue


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Re: [WISPA] Wind Safety regulations for towers

[lakeland]

There are no OSHA regulations.  The safety falls on management and the"  
competent" climber.  In some areas like NYC there are construction  
regulations that corrspond to high wind conditions.


Bob

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motor...@afmug.com

Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 15:24:26 GMT+00:00
Subject: [WISPA] Wind Safety regulations for towers

Anybody know of any OSHA regulations for the speed of wind and tower  
climbing? Is there a certain wind speed that anything beyond that point is  
not safe? Not allowed to climb in?


Thanks,

John M. McDowell 
Boonlink Communications 
307 Grand Ave NW 
Fort Payne, AL 35967 
256.844.9932 Office
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Re: [WISPA] Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic at 5.8Ghz ?

[lakeland]

Not gonna be a problem. I have antennas behing 1" Lexan with no real  
discernable difference




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Subject: [WISPA] Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic at 5.8Ghz?

Subject: Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic plastic?


Hi, we're building a wireless video observation system for a lumber mill 
loading area.

This is an extremely rough-duty environment with huge logs swinging around,
and any exposed antennas, cameras, etc. would shortly be smashed to bits.
We're thinking of installing everything in a 1.5 ft. diameter thickwall
steel pipe, and installing our required 5.8Ghz panel antenna flush with the
end of the pipe, covered with a 2" thick piece of polycarbonate or acrylic.
The link only needs to work at a distance of around 150 feet. However I
can't find much info on-line about the RF attentuation of clear plastic
materials (or if it's even enough to matter) at 5.8Ghz. Anyone out here ever
had to do something like this?

Thanks,

Tom S. 




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Re: [WISPA] Towers

[lakeland]

Price wise  Titan freestander...  Make sure you buy it from a  
distributor that gets it already kitted.  Got several of these from Tessco a  
few years ago and they were a nightmare because Tessco kitted the tower  
themselves


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Re: [WISPA] Grounding hardware/connector to bus bar

[lakeland]

Ground lug.  Come in 3/8 or 1/4 inch holes.  You have 3/8.

Hole spacing is one of two different gaps.

Go to www.sitepro1.com and go to overstock tab.  They have them on clearance 
without inspection windows.

If u r size is not there go to the grounding tab.

If you buy universals lugs they will fit either gap size.

Bob


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From: Josh Luthman  
Date:12/05/2014  9:54 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: [WISPA] Grounding hardware/connector to bus bar 

Does anyone know what these things are called (the double hole terminal that 
goes in the bus bar)?  Goes to 6 gauge grounding wire.

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Re: [WISPA] Any IgniteNet MetroLinq customers out there

[lakeland]

Do they work if you set them up on the bench with the power turned all the way 
down?  If you can turn the power down.  What receive level do you have at 5 ghz?
Not totally familiar with the Metrolinqjust starting with basic initial 
setup questions


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Date: 6/15/16  7:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Any 
IgniteNet MetroLinq customers out there 
I have been trying for a couple days to get a new PTP60-35 60 GHz link up and 
running with no luck. Looking for some help / suggestions from anyone who has 
been successful getting links up. The 5 GHz link is working but 60 never trains 
up. I bought the spotting scopes and each end is dead center. Good old 
fashioned up/down/left/right aiming methods do not seem to work either and 
IgniteNet is lacking in the support department.
Anyone want to contact me off list if you have any suggestions on what worked 
for you?
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Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz interference

[lakeland]

Good luck with that.  No gonna block a -45 carrier at900 mhz easily. That is 
going to be a real challenge


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 Original message From: Clay Stewart 
 Date: 12/14/16  7:04 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
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interference 
Try to relocae with structure blocking and some distance.
On Dec 14, 2016 5:47 PM, "Ian Fraser"  wrote:

  

  
  
None in my exp. with the same gear


Ian




On 14/12/2016 5:36 PM, Marco Coelho
  wrote:



  Yes.  A few of the utilities here have moved to
them.  Some at 900Mhz others at 2.4 GHz.  Any setting changes
that can keep the link up?

  
  

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Sean
  Heskett 
  wrote:

  
Smart meter





  

  
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:14 PM Marco Coelho
  
  wrote:


  


  

  
I've
  got an old pmp100 900MHz AP with just a couple
  of customers on it.  Recently an extremely
  noisy hopper started bringing this down every
  10-20 seconds.  The link won't even stay up on
  1x.


Any
  ideas out there?  The hopper is at -45!!!


 

  

  


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Re: [WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures

[lakeland]

Go by square footage.  Your footprint is much smaller than a cell provider...


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 Original message From: Seth Mattinen  
Date: 1/11/17  7:32 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 
Going Rate for Smaller Structures 
On 1/11/17 15:56, Tim wrote:
> Free internet
> Warranty on all equipment
>
> Would not do a per sub.  The trust factor is to high risk.
>
>

How do you guys handle people that have been poisoned by what cell 
companies pay? Like if someone says they need at least $2,500/mo from 
you because that's what they would get from Verizon/AT&T/Sprint. I 
usually want to say if a cell company wanted to be at your site they 
probably would have by now, but I say something like they have a bigger 
subscriber base than we do and we're only looking to target X customers 
in this area vs. thousands of mobile devices.

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Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range

[lakeland]

I would not do more than about 2-3 miles on an 18 ghz hop depending on your 
weather.  The other issue is only 60' elevation.  Not happy at all with that 
elevation for more than a mile.


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1/16/17  9:34 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 18 Ghz 
Range 
At what distance would one expect to start having attenuation issues
with an 18 GHz link? Assume 2ft dishes on each end with clear Fresnel
zone. (Dishes at 60ft AGL on each end in case that makes a difference)

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range

[lakeland]

Note my comment was based around 2' dishesnot spectrum. 


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 Date: 1/16/17  5:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: WISPA General 
List  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range 
We have a couple of 18ghz at about 10 miles full modulation.  We are in rain 
zone B though, we have never had issues with fading in the rain at all though.


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1/16/17  2:51 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range 
I would not do more than about 2-3 miles on an 18 ghz hop depending on your 
weather.  The other issue is only 60' elevation.  Not happy at all with that 
elevation for more than a mile.


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1/16/17  9:34 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 18 Ghz 
Range 
At what distance would one expect to start having attenuation issues
with an 18 GHz link? Assume 2ft dishes on each end with clear Fresnel
zone. (Dishes at 60ft AGL on each end in case that makes a difference)

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Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

[lakeland]

If your equipment is on airport property proper you need approval to place 
there.

You do not need approval to shoot accross the airport.

Now depending on your proximity to air traffic you may experience packet loss 
but unless your path was where aircraft may park or taxi I would not expect 
loss of link.

As for interference from radar, that's a crap shoot and depends what band you 
are on and what is colocated at the airport.

Bob
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:55:46 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?


We shoot across an airport (the big ones as well) with a bunch of 5.8 
stuff, but I believe we needed to get clearance from the airport and 
maybe the FAA before installing. Otherwise we've had zero problems with 
interference from their systems. I would start by calling or gong to see 
the person who runs the airport first and explain what you would like to 
do. I don't recall it being a big deal to get permission from the Airport.


Robert West wrote:
> Looking at a possible path but we would run right down the runway of an
> airport.  Not small planes, the big ones!  Towers are 300' on both
> ends..  I don't see any issues here but have no idea what to expect
> from the RF over that thing.  They are fully automated with all the latest
> in radio controlled landing systems.  
>
> Anyone ever have issues with this?  It's a perfect path for us so it would
> be my luck this thing might cause me issues.
>
> Would 5ghz be out of the question?
>
> Thanks
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> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

[lakeland]

Agreed

 But in this case he said they were going on 300' towers on each side and 
because they were already existing I did not touch on structure construction 
and FAA Letters of Determination.

And I assumed they were existing structures because people don't build 300' 
towers every day for a WISP system.  :-)

Bob

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From: Bret Clark 

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:54:22 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?


I somewhat disagree, in terms of the signal, no you don't need approval,
but to put a wireless network up  with antenna's  near any airport the
height of the antenna is governed by the FAA, you need their approval
from them in terms of  an antenna perspective. Antenna heights are
governed by distance from runways; give them the exact distances from
runways, then they tell you the height allowed at that location. 


On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:31 +, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

> If your equipment is on airport property proper you need approval to place 
> there.
> 
> You do not need approval to shoot accross the airport.
> 
> Now depending on your proximity to air traffic you may experience packet loss 
> but unless your path was where aircraft may park or taxi I would not expect 
> loss of link.
> 
> As for interference from radar, that's a crap shoot and depends what band you 
> are on and what is colocated at the airport.
> 
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bret Clark 
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:55:46 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?
> 
> 
> We shoot across an airport (the big ones as well) with a bunch of 5.8 
> stuff, but I believe we needed to get clearance from the airport and 
> maybe the FAA before installing. Otherwise we've had zero problems with 
> interference from their systems. I would start by calling or gong to see 
> the person who runs the airport first and explain what you would like to 
> do. I don't recall it being a big deal to get permission from the Airport.
> 
> 
> Robert West wrote:
> > Looking at a possible path but we would run right down the runway of an
> > airport.  Not small planes, the big ones!  Towers are 300' on both
> > ends..  I don't see any issues here but have no idea what to expect
> > from the RF over that thing.  They are fully automated with all the latest
> > in radio controlled landing systems.  
> >
> > Anyone ever have issues with this?  It's a perfect path for us so it would
> > be my luck this thing might cause me issues.
> >
> > Would 5ghz be out of the question?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Wire taps (AC electrical)

[lakeland]

Jerry

Its proibably #6.  You should be able to tap at the base of the pole.  Usually 
the contractor that installs the underground cable is not from the same 
division as the crew that sets the poles.

If you still need to tap Brundy makes a "T" tap that will clip on and do what 
you want to do. If you can't find them or the part number let me know off list 
and Ill do some quick research

Bob
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Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

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Won't be a problem. Planes will not cause you an issue unless they fly into the 
tower.

I have a link accross a runway at 5Ghz and jets pass through the path all day 
long without a glitch.  And the path is only about 2 miles long.

Bob  
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:22:40 
To: ; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?


This path I'm considering is 33 miles in length and the airport is 11 miles
from the closest tower.  Both towers are existing structures so their
placement is okay but I was concerned when I saw that the path runs right
down runway 22R.  Sigh.   so every plane approaching that runway will be
smack in the signal at almost 300 feet 11 miles out from the tower.  Now,
this airport isn't as busy as it used to be, it was the DHL hub here in
Ohio, but they are trying to get it back in operation again either as a
package sort hub or maintenance center.  Either way, lots of big planes over
there.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

I somewhat disagree, in terms of the signal, no you don't need approval,
but to put a wireless network up  with antenna's  near any airport the
height of the antenna is governed by the FAA, you need their approval
from them in terms of  an antenna perspective. Antenna heights are
governed by distance from runways; give them the exact distances from
runways, then they tell you the height allowed at that location. 


On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:31 +, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

> If your equipment is on airport property proper you need approval to place
there.
> 
> You do not need approval to shoot accross the airport.
> 
> Now depending on your proximity to air traffic you may experience packet
loss but unless your path was where aircraft may park or taxi I would not
expect loss of link.
> 
> As for interference from radar, that's a crap shoot and depends what band
you are on and what is colocated at the airport.
> 
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bret Clark 
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:55:46 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?
> 
> 
> We shoot across an airport (the big ones as well) with a bunch of 5.8 
> stuff, but I believe we needed to get clearance from the airport and 
> maybe the FAA before installing. Otherwise we've had zero problems with 
> interference from their systems. I would start by calling or gong to see 
> the person who runs the airport first and explain what you would like to 
> do. I don't recall it being a big deal to get permission from the Airport.
> 
> 
> Robert West wrote:
> > Looking at a possible path but we would run right down the runway of an
> > airport.  Not small planes, the big ones!  Towers are 300' on both
> > ends..  I don't see any issues here but have no idea what to
expect
> > from the RF over that thing.  They are fully automated with all the
latest
> > in radio controlled landing systems.  
> >
> > Anyone ever have issues with this?  It's a perfect path for us so it
would
> > be my luck this thing might cause me issues.
> >
> > Would 5ghz be out of the question?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Robert West
> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[lakeland]

Try 12.5 kHz. Channel size
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-Original Message-
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:31:16 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Anyone remember how licenses were handed out for UHF or VHF two way systems? 
Any reason a guy can't use that mechanism again?

I don't know how much spectrum was available per channel.  If it were even 
500khz that's enough to move a lot of data these days.
marlon

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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth


>> I also further the idea that
>> release of public spectrum in the UHF bands would be a great shot in
>> the arm towards the goal of ubiquitous broadband.  Cheaper than a
>> stimulus package too.
>
> OK. We are getting somewhere. You do want the government to do something.
> You want the government to open up the UHF bands for wireless data 
> services.
> How should this be done? Should the spectrum be "free" or sold at auction 
> to
> the highest bidder? Unlicensed, licensed, or semi-licensed? What
> restrictions, if any, should be placed on the devices using the spectrum -
> power output, cognitive radios, etc.? What about interference with 
> wireless
> mics?
>
> Tim
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Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

[Lakeland]

Randy, 

You cant go by that spectrum analyzer.  Something is wrong. Most receivers 
can't handle 5dbm pumped into them without killing them. 

 -B- 

 

 


Randy Cosby writes: 

> Over the weekend we started getting complaints about a bad linktests for 
> all customers on an old trango AP site.  I've tried finding a cleaner 
> channel, but am not having much luck getting good linktests up there. 
> 
> This is one of the first sites I built, and use a couple OSBridge 5Gxi 
> radios to backhaul.   I found they added a spectrum analyzer to a newer 
> firmware version, so I installed it and ran a analysis of the site.  It 
> shows a 5dBm signal at 5785!  Not -5, but 5.   See attached.  It appears 
> that something VERY hot is either pointed at my AP site, or something up 
> there has started interfering.  
> 
> Spectrum analysis from the near side of the link was relatively clean. 
> 
> Any suggestions on where to start my search? 
> 
> Randy 
> 
 


Bob Moldashel
Lakeland Communications, Inc.
1350 Lincoln Avenue
Holbrook, NY 11741
800-479-9195
631-286-8873 Fax
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Re: [WISPA] customer information

[lakeland]

Don't do it. Cell companies don't do it


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: jp 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:40:42 
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] customer information

We've got a municipal lease for one of our towers in a town (We have 
several towers/sites in the town) and it's up for renewal.

The municipal leaders wants a map of all users in town and where they 
get their service from. They want a listing of all users intown and out 
of town, who use the tower on the site we lease from the town. They want 
a listing of revenues attributed to the site since the lease began.

I don't mind giving out maps of our service area, but I think this is 
going a bit far, and isn't likely to be helpful. I wouldn't want such 
information to fall into other companies hands with an FOI request or 
careless distribution either.

Is any of this illegal to provide? I know CPNI would prevent me from 
disclosing VOIP records. Any other legal impediments to sharing this? I 
don't make any security/privacy promises in our AUP. Showing them enough 
information might be helpful with my case to contribute enough 
information to show we aren't getting rich off the site and wish for 
more coverage or expansion. Showing a town coverage information is good 
for spreading word of mouth about where we can serve in case people 
didn't think we served that area. But showing all of it would be good 
for competitors and customers might distrust us a bit for being too free 
or think we are promoting identity theft. I know darn sure some 
celebrity customers don't want their name on a local list of clients.

Any suggestions on gracefully handling such a request?

-- 
/*
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KB1IOJ|   Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting 
 http://f64.nu/   |   for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/
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Re: [WISPA] customer information

[lakeland]

Are there other non-municipal users on this tower?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: jp 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:40:42 
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] customer information

We've got a municipal lease for one of our towers in a town (We have 
several towers/sites in the town) and it's up for renewal.

The municipal leaders wants a map of all users in town and where they 
get their service from. They want a listing of all users intown and out 
of town, who use the tower on the site we lease from the town. They want 
a listing of revenues attributed to the site since the lease began.

I don't mind giving out maps of our service area, but I think this is 
going a bit far, and isn't likely to be helpful. I wouldn't want such 
information to fall into other companies hands with an FOI request or 
careless distribution either.

Is any of this illegal to provide? I know CPNI would prevent me from 
disclosing VOIP records. Any other legal impediments to sharing this? I 
don't make any security/privacy promises in our AUP. Showing them enough 
information might be helpful with my case to contribute enough 
information to show we aren't getting rich off the site and wish for 
more coverage or expansion. Showing a town coverage information is good 
for spreading word of mouth about where we can serve in case people 
didn't think we served that area. But showing all of it would be good 
for competitors and customers might distrust us a bit for being too free 
or think we are promoting identity theft. I know darn sure some 
celebrity customers don't want their name on a local list of clients.

Any suggestions on gracefully handling such a request?

-- 
/*
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KB1IOJ|   Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting 
 http://f64.nu/   |   for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser

[lakeland]

Be careful of the new federal encryption requirements for anything hooked up to 
the National Crime Computers. 

A lot of states have new rules also when interfacing to the state DMV and crime 
networks

Just FYI

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Jayson Baker 
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station
to Cruiser

We currently do this for a local PD.  They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell
laptops, mounted in all the cars.
We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz.  Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we
decided to go with Verizon Aircards.

Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD
system, which is tied into the whole state.
So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched
on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc.

I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot
of it.

Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the
backend by tying their CAD into the Internet.

Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that
area.

Jayson

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West wrote:

> I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot
> in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the
> station network via a wireless link.  (He is the "Police Chief" but I
> suspect he is also the entire police force)  He said that the local
> Wal-Mart
> has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7" screen laptops,
> which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on
> them...  Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to
> the
> network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney
> General's
> office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his
> reports.
>
>
>
> Here's the setup..
>
>
>
> This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles
> wide.  The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have
> a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall.  The terrain is flat as can
> be
> and they have the normal scattering of trees.  The Town Hall and water
> tower
> are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right
> outside of town.  Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from
> his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town.
>
>
>
> We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz
> band.  He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but
> I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney
> Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research.  So
> this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J
>
>
>
> Has anyone been down this path?  What can we do and not do?
>
>
>
> I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of
> what we're up against on this one.  (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as
> the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license
> plate...  I won that one by the way)
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
> Robert West
>
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>
> 740-335-7020
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser

[lakeland]

You did not expect me to type all that from a Blackberry did you?

LOL

Thanks
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Blake Bowers" 
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:59:03 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station
toCruiser

Regardless of the technical side, I would urge you before spending
any money or time - contact the AG's office or whoever is the TAC for
NCIC in Ohio.  While OHLEG does have
an internet portal, when you go to the other data centers such as LEADS
or NCIC your transport options begin to disappear, as well as mixing the
pipe with internet.

I have seen this issue cause a couple of real issues before.

NLETS is the tool for checking information from other states.   It ties
all the state networks and the federal systems together.
http://www.nlets.org/

When an officer runs a tag, or DL, etc, it dips the state databases, and
also dips many other databases through NLETS.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station 
toCruiser


>I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot
> in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the
> station network via a wireless link.  (He is the "Police Chief" but I
> suspect he is also the entire police force)  He said that the local 
> Wal-Mart
> has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7" screen laptops,
> which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do 
> on
> them...  Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to 
> the
> network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney 
> General's
> office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his
> reports.
>
>
>
> Here's the setup..
>
>
>
> This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles
> wide.  The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also 
> have
> a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall.  The terrain is flat as can 
> be
> and they have the normal scattering of trees.  The Town Hall and water 
> tower
> are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right
> outside of town.  Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town 
> from
> his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town.
>
>
>
> We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 
> 5ghz
> band.  He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good 
> but
> I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney
> Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research.  So
> this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J
>
>
>
> Has anyone been down this path?  What can we do and not do?
>
>
>
> I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of
> what we're up against on this one.  (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as
> the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license
> plate...  I won that one by the way)
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
> Robert West
>
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>
> 740-335-7020
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser

[lakeland]

Yeah. We would dump this right in their lap and outline that the system is 
strictly for transporting data. Data security is their responsibility.

We do the same thing in the banking and health care industry. 


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Robert West" 
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:05:05 
To: ; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto
Cruiser

Yeah, that's the part I was leery of when he asked.  I knew there were some
sort of safeguards that had to be followed and I'm totally green in that
area.  We've done a few medical sites that had to be HIPPA compliant and it
wasn't such a big deal but I hate messing with the cops.  They have other
ways to complain other than not paying an invoice.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto
Cruiser

Be careful of the new federal encryption requirements for anything hooked up
to the National Crime Computers. 

A lot of states have new rules also when interfacing to the state DMV and
crime networks

Just FYI

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Jayson Baker 
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station
to Cruiser

We currently do this for a local PD.  They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell
laptops, mounted in all the cars.
We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz.  Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we
decided to go with Verizon Aircards.

Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD
system, which is tied into the whole state.
So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched
on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc.

I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot
of it.

Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the
backend by tying their CAD into the Internet.

Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that
area.

Jayson

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West
wrote:

> I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot
> in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the
> station network via a wireless link.  (He is the "Police Chief" but I
> suspect he is also the entire police force)  He said that the local
> Wal-Mart
> has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7" screen laptops,
> which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do
on
> them...  Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to
> the
> network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney
> General's
> office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his
> reports.
>
>
>
> Here's the setup..
>
>
>
> This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles
> wide.  The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also
have
> a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall.  The terrain is flat as can
> be
> and they have the normal scattering of trees.  The Town Hall and water
> tower
> are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right
> outside of town.  Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town
from
> his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town.
>
>
>
> We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and
5ghz
> band.  He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good
but
> I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney
> Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research.  So
> this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J
>
>
>
> Has anyone been down this path?  What can we do and not do?
>
>
>
> I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of
> what we're up against on this one.  (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as
> the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license
> plate...  I won that one by the way)
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
> Robert West
>
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>
> 740-335-7020
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Exhalt vs. Moto

[lakeland]

Solid reliable radio. We have deployed over 50 links with a few failures early 
on (first generation) but are solid otherwise

And DFS works great. I have not had a DFS hit yet.

-B-


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Marco Coelho 
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:59:28 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Exhalt vs. Moto

We've got lots of the Moto PTP600 radios in our network.  They have
been a solid reliable performer.  I'm looking at the Exhalt
EX-5r-c GigE Radios...  They are spec'd at 400 Mb/s TDD or 200 in each
direction.

I'm looking for opinions from those who have deployed these.

Marco

-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Used Tower Pricing.

[lakeland]

Maybe $2-2.5K
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Scottie Arnett" 
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:24:45 
To: 
Cc: 
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Used Tower Pricing.

What is a good price to give for a standard Rohn SSV tower, 100' with sections 
7N, 6N, 5N, 4N, and 3WN in real good shape, each section still assembled, 
already down and ready for loading. I priced it new at around $8500. I have 
looked at www.usedtowers.com, but those are way higher than what I got this one 
for. I already won it at auction, but just checking to make sure I didn't screw 
up.

Do any of you know where to find used towers besides qth.com, eham.net, ebay, 
and usedtowers.com? I have a few local places, but I am looking to expand my 
searches beyond those mentioned and local.

TIA,
Scottie 

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Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

[lakeland]

The problems with the Gabriel 2' dual polarity dishes has been fixed.  Chances 
are you only saw these issues because you were not using radomes. The epoxy or 
whatever sealant they were using at the tip of the feedhorn to hold the end cap 
on was breaking down and the feedhorn would wick moisture when the feedhorn 
temp would change hot to cold and back.  We had quite a few failures but none 
with radomes because there was no direct moisture contact with the end.

Still use them to this day with no issues.

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: jp 
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:42:32 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

I bought some gabriel dishes probably 8-10 years ago, and they all failed, so 
gabriel gave us a deal on new feedhorns, and most of them have since failed 
too. Perhaps things are better now. We had one fail this past winter, and 
just took it off the tower this summer. We just tossed the dish and feedhorn 
in the grass and forgot about it. I'm not going to buy another feedhorn for 
it.

We're mostly using pacwireless for dishes as a result. We've had a few of 
them fail a couple years ago, but they've fixed that, and percentagewise, 
they've been more reliable. A radome also protects the feedhorn quite well, 
and we use a radome anytime where we are near the ocean or are being careful 
not to overload a tower, as the radome both protects the feedhorn and reduces 
windloading. 


We also only buy the dual pole ones now. We'd started to for the 
trangolink45's which can switch polarity with software. Now, it looks like 
2x2 MIMO based products are the future for backhaul, and we'd like to not 
have to upgrade antennas with the radios. If you use a radome, you have to 
actually disassemble the thing to change feedhorns, so do it right the first 
time.

The Gabriels are a lot lighter due to their all alloy construction.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:38:17AM -0500, ccrum wrote:
> I'll second that. I can't tell you how many pac dishes have either 
> leaked water into the feed or have major problems with icing in the 
> winter. I triple seal everything on my dishes and have had pac grids and 
> solids somehow still get water into the center pin of the connector. I 
> have no idea how it happens, but after about the 20th time, I just plain 
> quit using them. I've never had this trouble on a Gabriel or Radiowaves 
> dish and I apply the same sealing technique. Also, I've noticed in bench 
> testing that that the Gabriel feeds have better SWR plots and provide 
> MUCH better isolation between their dual pol feeds than the PAC.
> 
> Cameron
> 
> Brad Belton wrote:
> > BTW Mark, if you determine they are PacWireless antennas I'd just punt them
> > on EBay and replace them with RadioWaves or Gabriel 2' antennas.  In the
> > long run you'll be a lot happier.  Just my opinion...
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Brad Belton
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:01 AM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
> >
> > Ok, just checking.  Good cover...
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
> >
> > The feedhorn specifically.  Maybe the length will help you too.  I know with
> > higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or are
> >> you speaking of the diameter of the feed?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
> >>
> >> Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes?
> >> Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes.
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> >> improbable, must be the truth."
> >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy  wrote:
> >>
> >> 
>

Re: [WISPA] OT: Used Tower Pricing.

[lakeland]

That will not work. Federal banking laws make it illegal to write any other 
date other tan the present on a bearer instrument

That's an uphill battle. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Spott 
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:34:13 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Used Tower Pricing.

In WA state they are trying to make it a law that no cash leaves the
scrapyard. Only checks dated 2 days in the future.

Makes it harder to turn a quick buck on metal "recycling"

ryan

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Robert West  wrote:
> It's funny but I bet that happens.  Good example of that is stolen man hole
> covers to be sold at the scrap yard, road signs and on the metal light
> poles, the little covers at the bottom that cover the electrical
> access..  They were stolen so much that now they don’t even come with
> them.  This sort of thing is why they now require picture ID when you sell
> your junk at the yard.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:08 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Used Tower Pricing.
>
> Hey someone was on my roof and stole my dish!
>
> Get your livestock offa my roof!
>
> mc
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>> I have a guy who pays his bill in dish mounts.  $2 per mount delivered.
>> We only accept the ones that are clean and reusable.  He drops by every
>> couple of weeks with 40-50 of them.  Looks like they were removals from
>> Dish/Direct TV.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:36 AM
>> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Used Tower Pricing.
>>
>> Scottie,
>>
>> I've had some minor success by talking to a local metal scrap yard.
>> It's a
>> pretty good sized one, they put up a small sign at the pay window saying
>> that if they get any tower sections to not crush or bend them.  If they
>> get
>> a get sections they call and I go over.  It's usually old American Tower
>> 8
>> foot sections, like TV tower, but some are pretty useful.  They charge
>> usually 30 cents per pound and I pay a few cents over that for good
>> sections
>> in exchange for the sign next to the pay window.  A month or so ago they
>> called and I had to go out to a field to look at some that were too big
>> for
>> the metal collector guy to take into the yard.  2 80 foot heavy duty
>> free
>> standing towers in good shape laying in the field all overgrown with
>> weeds.
>> 150 bucks for the pair.  Didn't know how much they weighed so I just
>> offered
>> the 150.
>>
>> They will also hold old DirectTV dishs and the J arm mounts for them if
>> the
>> sorters remember.  Those are handy to have at 2 bucks each.  As long as
>> I
>> pay more than scrap value, they are all over it.  They usually have more
>> stuff than I need though.
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:25 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Cc: motoro...@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] OT: Used Tower Pricing.
>>
>> What is a good price to give for a standard Rohn SSV tower, 100' with
>> sections 7N, 6N, 5N, 4N, and 3WN in real good shape, each section still
>> assembled, already down and ready for loading. I priced it new at around
>> $8500. I have looked at www.usedtowers.com, but those are way higher
>> than
>> what I got this one for. I already won it at auction, but just checking
>> to
>> make sure I didn't screw up.
>>
>> Do any of you know where to find used towers besides qth.com, eham.net,
>> ebay, and usedtowers.com? I have a few local places, but I am looking to
>> expand my searches beyond those mentioned and local.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Scottie
>>
>> Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as
>> $30.00/mth.
>> Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webinar Announced

[lakeland]

Can I make a recommendation that someone record it and put it in a members only 
area for review by new members.

Great idea getting the manufacturers to present. 

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Forbes Mercy" 
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:54:57 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Webinar Announced

This is to WISPA Members, if you're not a member you have time to join!

LEAVE YOUR CALENDAR OPEN FOR NOVEMBER 4th at 2PM Eastern, 11AM Pacific
and all time zones in between.  WISPA Promotions announce the first ever
Webinar.  This event is our outreach for members only, a personal visit
from a product manufacturer relevant to our industry.  We are hoping to
make this a regular event with different member manufacturers in our
industry. It is a pure question/answer session.

Several top administrators and highly-placed technical staff from a
manufacturer will be available to answer questions about any topic from
specifications to distribution/inventory control or future releases.
The first session will be with Ubiquity, the fast growing manufacturer
of many popular radios.  This idea came from a long thread of member
emails that essentially were 'guessing' about what these radios could or
could not do.  We consider these answers 'from the horse's mouth', and a
rare chance to talk to someone knowledgeable.  Again this is a session
for paid members only as a service of WISPA as we add value to your
membership.

The personnel attending from Ubiquity are:

Mike Ford - Technical Support and Applications Manager
Ben Moore - VP Bus. Dev.

We invite other manufacturers to email our Promotions Committee so we
may make this exclusive feature available on an ongoing basis. Simply
email for...@wispa.org and we can put together a schedule for these
sessions.  These are not sales presentations and video content is at the
option of the manufacturer.  The session will run 30-45 minutes for this
first one.  As it is our trial edition many of the rules and procedures
for future sessions will be based on how this session runs.  The exact
details of how to access, and the moderated rules for this forum will be
released Monday, November 2nd.

This Webinar is for you to learn more about the Vendors and their
equipment, we hope you attend and thank you for being a member of WISPA!

Forbes Mercy
WISPA Promotions Committee Chair




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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webinar Announced

[lakeland]

I think if the vendor agrees to speak before "WISPA" then the recording should 
really be implied. 

WISPA has all the right in the world to "archieve" their media and if they are 
hosting the webinar for the benefit of their members. Now if WISPA wanted to 
sell the webinar to someone outside the WISPA membership that may require a 
release but not for membership distribution.

Bob  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Mike Hammett" 
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:17:55 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webinar Announced

I know a lot of people feel that way, but it's bull.  If it's that 
important, don't divulge it to anyone in the first place, which defeats the 
purpose of the webinar or any presentation to your clients of any kind. 
Once it's released, your technology is just as good as someone else's 
anyway.  What's to prevent your competitor that you're afraid of from 
directly attending the webinar?

It kinda goes along with the privileged email thread.

Trust me, there is very little if anything any vendor or WISP does that's 
secret or special.  Intel, IBM, AMD, etc...  I'll buy it.  None of these 
guys.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:26 PM
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webinar Announced

> Although I think that would be a good idea, before such is done, make sure
> the vendor authorizes it to occur.
> Depending on the outcome of the meeting, they may or may not want it as
> public record.
> And as teh vendor member they should ahve the right to determine if their
> webinar can go on the archive or not.
> Otherwise we'd need the vendor to sign a relase form in advance, as a
> condition of the webinar. But I dont recomend that.
> If a vendor knows the webinar is public archived, they may hold back
> important information  to protect their strategic interests.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webinar Announced
>
>
>> Can I make a recommendation that someone record it and put it in a 
>> members
>> only area for review by new members.
>>
>> Great idea getting the manufacturers to present.
>>
>> -B-
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Forbes Mercy" 
>> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:54:57
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Webinar Announced
>>
>> This is to WISPA Members, if you're not a member you have time to join!
>>
>> LEAVE YOUR CALENDAR OPEN FOR NOVEMBER 4th at 2PM Eastern, 11AM Pacific
>> and all time zones in between.  WISPA Promotions announce the first ever
>> Webinar.  This event is our outreach for members only, a personal visit
>> from a product manufacturer relevant to our industry.  We are hoping to
>> make this a regular event with different member manufacturers in our
>> industry. It is a pure question/answer session.
>>
>> Several top administrators and highly-placed technical staff from a
>> manufacturer will be available to answer questions about any topic from
>> specifications to distribution/inventory control or future releases.
>> The first session will be with Ubiquity, the fast growing manufacturer
>> of many popular radios.  This idea came from a long thread of member
>> emails that essentially were 'guessing' about what these radios could or
>> could not do.  We consider these answers 'from the horse's mouth', and a
>> rare chance to talk to someone knowledgeable.  Again this is a session
>> for paid members only as a service of WISPA as we add value to your
>> membership.
>>
>> The personnel attending from Ubiquity are:
>>
>> Mike Ford - Technical Support and Applications Manager
>> Ben Moore - VP Bus. Dev.
>>
>> We invite other manufacturers to email our Promotions Committee so we
>> may make this exclusive feature available on an ongoing basis. Simply
>> email for...@wispa.org and we can put together a schedule for these
>> sessions.  These are not sales presentations and video content is at the
>> option of the manufacturer.  The session will run 30-45 minutes for this
>> first one.  As it is our trial edition many of the rules and procedures
>> for future sessions will be based on how this session runs.  The exact
>> details of how to access, and the moderated rules for this forum will be
>> released Monday, November 2nd.
>>
>> This Webinar is for you to learn more about the Vendors and their
>> equipment, we hope you attend and thank you for being a member of WISPA!
>>
>> Forbes Mercy
>> WISPA Promotions Committee Chair
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Link stability

[lakeland]

Ok. Weather might be water incursion.  CM9 might be PIGTAIL. You didn't say 
what mfg antenna so its hard to guess. There is always the alignment thing.

Did you replace the pigtail after the storm damage?
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-Original Message-
From: "Mark McElvy" 
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:39:47 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Link stability

I have a wireless backhaul link that is not as stable as I would like.
It is a 15.5 mile shot that has been up for 3 years. MT/CM9/32db dish on
both ends. On a clear day I am only seeing a -83 on each end. All the
radio equip was replaced April 08 due to lighting, still have the
original 3ft LMR-400 and antenna. I seem to remember the signal being in
the -70 range prior to the lightning replacements. 

 

Right now the link is down with random reconnects with a -92 and then it
will drop again. Weather is misty thick and overcast. I kinda of have a
twofold question, could the weather be attenuating the signal enough to
drop the connection? I think yes. Second, could I have a
weakened/damaged antenna causing the general drop in signal?

 

Mark 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

[lakeland]

I will second the Moxa's.  We buy from Neteon out of NJ
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-Original Message-
From: Jerry Richardson 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:25:08 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

Nothing but good things to say about MOXA.

Hardened industrial switches with DC redundant power supplies.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
heat.

-- 
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Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
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Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors

[lakeland]

No 400 connector from any of the manufacturers is weatherproof by itself.  You 
need to weatherproof all of your connections. If they are not getting wet you 
are lucky. Plain and simple.

Bob
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-Original Message-
From: "MDK" 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:20:52 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors


I've run out of these, and none of the vendors I use commonly carry them. 
Anyone out west have these?

Yeah, I know, it costs more to buy two of these than a whole pre-built 10 
foot cable, but every danged pre-built I buy has water issues.

We have never had to seal any of the cables we built ourselves, and none of 
them have ever leaked (except when someone who'll forever remain nameless 
forgot to tighten the cable...), but I have no luck at all with the pre-made 
I've bought from multiple places.   Our temporary site needed to go up in a 
real hurry, so I bought a whole pile of parts and cables, and most of them 
have had issues.

 




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Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

[lakeland]

Radiowaves does I believe
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-Original Message-
From: "MDK" 
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot 
solid dish w/dual polarity.

Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are 
made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium?



--
From: "Phil Curnutt" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

> Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 
> to
> 30 dB?
>
> Phil
>
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Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors

[lakeland]

Yeah I left PPC connectors out of the conversation.  We used them quite a bit. 
The ability to keep out water is 100 times better than standard N type LMR400 
connectors but I know of sweeoing issues with these from other users. And the 
cost is a little higher.

We still waterproof even when using PPC connectors

Bob
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-Original Message-
From: "Lawrence E. Bakst" 
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:32:10 
To: WISPA General List
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors

This is going to sound like a Huber+Suhner commercial.

1. Waterproof connectors
At 11:41 PM + 11/19/09, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
>No 400 connector from any of the manufacturers is weatherproof by itself.  You 
>need to weatherproof all of your connections. If they are not getting wet you 
>are lucky. Plain and simple.

True for most low end connectors. However, H+S makes connectors with integrated 
o-rings that are IP68/NEMA-6 rated. That means they have to pass a water 
submersion test. I have used the product with success. They are probably more 
expensive than most WISP's can afford, but you get what you pay for. I don't 
know if they have one that would work for LMR-400 cable.

They also make hermetically sealed connectors.

http://www.hubersuhnerinc.com/co-ca-us/mozilla/us-news.htm?org=4F0184A3DC3E6840&newsid=D05AABE63966F25E&itemstate=2&back=ECC6CA06810995BD1581FAC18CAA4AFB


2. adhesive shrink tubing
At 4:42 PM -0700 11/19/09, AJ wrote:
>CANUSA adhesive shrink tubing is your friend :)

Adhesive shrink tubing probably won't pass IP68, but that doesn't mean it won't 
help.

3. There is better cable out there than LMR-400. Again H+S makes one that is 
quite a bit better, especially at 5.8 GHz, and not too expensive.

Contact me off list if you need pointers. Having said that I suspect that H+S 
doesn't want to sell directly to WISPs but rather to large customers and 
distributors.

Best,

leb



At 11:41 PM + 11/19/09, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
>No 400 connector from any of the manufacturers is weatherproof by itself.  You 
>need to weatherproof all of your connections. If they are not getting wet you 
>are lucky. Plain and simple.
>
>Bob
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-Original Message-
>From: "MDK" 
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:20:52
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors
>
>
>I've run out of these, and none of the vendors I use commonly carry them.
>Anyone out west have these?
>
>Yeah, I know, it costs more to buy two of these than a whole pre-built 10
>foot cable, but every danged pre-built I buy has water issues.
>
>We have never had to seal any of the cables we built ourselves, and none of
>them have ever leaked (except when someone who'll forever remain nameless
>forgot to tighten the cable...), but I have no luck at all with the pre-made
>I've bought from multiple places.   Our temporary site needed to go up in a
>real hurry, so I bought a whole pile of parts and cables, and most of them
>have had issues.
>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable

[lakeland]

Tape around the splice, mastic around the tape then 3 more layers of tape.  But 
I would waitfor a nice dry day so there is no moisture to deal with.

Just like a transmission line connector

Bob
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-Original Message-
From: Scott Reed 
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:19:17 
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable

I have a customer that cut the cat 5 right at the ground in September.  
I put a jack at the ground and a plug on the remaining cable and wrapped 
it up as well as I could, knowing I would be back. Sure enough, today I 
went back to re-fix it in the sleet.  What fun.  I think it is better 
because I used a cat5 splice device and filled it  with RTV.
Anyone have a way to fix a cable that is underground?  I would rather 
not run a new cable and make her bury another one if there is another way.

-- 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239




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Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable

[lakeland]

We have those. Use them all the time but I would not bury these. 
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-Original Message-
From: "Robert West" 
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:19:26 
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable

Looks good but did you check that availability?  12 weeks?  Yikes!!! 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable

Ah!  Took me an hour to find this (everyone wanting to chat and text and
call and ask and...)

http://mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=p08Uhw9w2FyOGS2yhLmq6g%3d%3d

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> I think anything you do, as long as the conductors are connected and
> protected from the weather will be fine.  Just keep as many twists in the
> wire as you can.  I've made some pretty nasty splices in the past and they
> all worked perfectly.  I just have a thing about looking professional and
> not like duct tape and twine.  But that stuff works too!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:40 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable
>
> Ugly isn't an issue as the cable is so short I want dig up a foot of it,
> re-splice it and bury the splice.
>
> Robert West wrote:
> > I've used those 3-m or scotch crimp button connectors before, got a box
> of
> > them still in the van.  It's really ugly though and you have to make
sure
> > you keep as many twists in the wire as you can.  But then you still have
> to
> > seal it all and RTV would be my choice.  If I had to, and if I had any
> > slack, stick the splice down a short tube of maybe PVC and pump it full
> of
> > silicone.  Still an ugly way to go.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Scott Reed
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:19 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable
> >
> > I have a customer that cut the cat 5 right at the ground in September.
> > I put a jack at the ground and a plug on the remaining cable and wrapped
> > it up as well as I could, knowing I would be back. Sure enough, today I
> > went back to re-fix it in the sleet.  What fun.  I think it is better
> > because I used a cat5 splice device and filled it  with RTV.
> > Anyone have a way to fix a cable that is underground?  I would rather
> > not run a new cable and make her bury another one if there is another
> way.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Scott Reed
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> GAB Midwest
> 1-800-363-1544 x4000
> Cell: 260-273-7239
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable

[lakeland]

I revise that.  Use them and wrap them with tape and mastic. :-)

And we use them on Dragonwave and Ceragon installs (100 Mb+) without issue.
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-Original Message-
From: lakel...@gbcx.net
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:16:03 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable

We have those. Use them all the time but I would not bury these. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Robert West" 
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:19:26 
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable

Looks good but did you check that availability?  12 weeks?  Yikes!!! 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable

Ah!  Took me an hour to find this (everyone wanting to chat and text and
call and ask and...)

http://mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=p08Uhw9w2FyOGS2yhLmq6g%3d%3d

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> I think anything you do, as long as the conductors are connected and
> protected from the weather will be fine.  Just keep as many twists in the
> wire as you can.  I've made some pretty nasty splices in the past and they
> all worked perfectly.  I just have a thing about looking professional and
> not like duct tape and twine.  But that stuff works too!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:40 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable
>
> Ugly isn't an issue as the cable is so short I want dig up a foot of it,
> re-splice it and bury the splice.
>
> Robert West wrote:
> > I've used those 3-m or scotch crimp button connectors before, got a box
> of
> > them still in the van.  It's really ugly though and you have to make
sure
> > you keep as many twists in the wire as you can.  But then you still have
> to
> > seal it all and RTV would be my choice.  If I had to, and if I had any
> > slack, stick the splice down a short tube of maybe PVC and pump it full
> of
> > silicone.  Still an ugly way to go.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Scott Reed
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:19 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable
> >
> > I have a customer that cut the cat 5 right at the ground in September.
> > I put a jack at the ground and a plug on the remaining cable and wrapped
> > it up as well as I could, knowing I would be back. Sure enough, today I
> > went back to re-fix it in the sleet.  What fun.  I think it is better
> > because I used a cat5 splice device and filled it  with RTV.
> > Anyone have a way to fix a cable that is underground?  I would rather
> > not run a new cable and make her bury another one if there is another
> way.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Scott Reed
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> GAB Midwest
> 1-800-363-1544 x4000
> Cell: 260-273-7239
>
>
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[WISPA] 2.4 GHz Dual Pol Flat Panel

[lakeland]

Need one of these with something 13 dB or higher.  Anyone have any leads on 
such an animal.

I needed it yesterday

Tnx

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Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff

[lakeland]

Is there a versiom of Google maps that is freestanding that can be used on a 
laptop or PC without an Internet connection?  I just need a small region like 
NYC or Washington DC Metro.
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-Original Message-
From: Brian Webster 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:06:32 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff

 The suggestion to convert to Google Earth/Google Maps kml/kmz file
format is probably best. The issue most will have is that different GPS
companies can format the data differently for their particular GPS and even
the same company can format it differently for various models. The Google
mapping file formats seem to have become a defacto standard that most of the
software packages support and can import and export.
 Converting to kmz will also allow the data to be shown easily in Goggle
Earth and with a little programming can also be displayed in the Google Maps
API on a web site. Nice thing about the Google Maps API is being able to
display street maps, aerial images as well as terrain relief. There are
plenty of ways to skin this cat and I am sure others with suggest their
favorite tools of the trade. Whichever you chose just realize that you
should do whatever supports the most brands of GPS's possible.


Thank You,
Brian Webster



On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:18 PM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:

> If Mr Webster does not speak up. Perhaps I can help!
>
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> > know
> > the routes to be used etc.
> >
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> > map the
> > routes.  I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a
> > format that
> > others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out
> > here to
> > follow our routes.
> >
> > Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS
> > unit and
> > upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS,
> > Google
> > maps, TopoUSA or whatever.
> >
> > Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how
> > to do
> > that or to export that data to something others could download.
> >
> > Anyone here good with such projects?
> >
> > thanks!
> > marlon
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 SUO initial config

[lakeland]

What are the street prices on the base and sub?

Bob
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-Original Message-
From: Eric Muehleisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:03:00 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 SUO initial config


I did 6 miles near line of sight last week with the SU hanging out the 
window in my truck on an omni setup. I've heard that with a sector setup 
at the basestation and a connectorized SU you can go into the teens with 
the AN-100UX.

-Eric

Travis Johnson wrote:
> What is maximum distance you could get with line of site?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>> John runs the Redmax AN-100U which is limited to 23dbm transmit power. 
>> However, the AN-100UX is limited to 36dbm. With a sector antenna at the 
>> base station running 27-28dbm transmit power you could easily do 2+ 
>> miles NLOS with 64QAM/16QAM which would give you about 11mb/s down and 
>> 4mb/s up @ 60% downlink ratio.
>>
>> FYI...In our experience the omni setup really hurts with the AP hearing 
>> the SU's. The uplink modulation degrades substantially vs. a sector setup.
>>
>> I would say that 3.65 is it's a blend of 900mhz and 2.4ghz in terms of 
>> penetrability.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>> John McDowell wrote:
>>   
>>> We have an omni with 3.65 Redmax. I have it on a 140' tower with flat
>>> terrain, moderate trees. I have about 5 customers completely NLOS, one of
>>> which is almost a mile away, shooting through dense trees, and getting 5
>>> mbps down, 1 mbps up.
>>> We've been very please with the ease of installation and the performance.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 1:40 PM, John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>> 
 Would you mind sharing with us your experiences with this product? Do you
 have hilly or tree covered areas where you serve? Does the propagation you
 see in 3.65 GHz with Redmax reflect similar experiences you have had with
 other bands like 5.8 GHz, 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz? Any feedback is much
 appreciated.
 Thank you,
 John Scrivner



 On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:

 
   
> Scriv
>
> The 3.65 SUO is the "Subscriber Unit Outdoor" for the Redline Redmax
> 3.65 ghz 802.16d line of products
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of John Scrivner
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:21 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 SUO initial config
>
> Sorry to be nosy but would you mind sharing what a 3.65 SUO is? I have
> never
> heard of this. I am looking for feedback about any 3.65 products
> installed
> and in use out there.
> Thanks,
> Scriv
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>   
> 
>> Do I need to config anything on the SUO units to get the to register
>> 
>>   
> to
>   
> 
>> the Base?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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Re: [WISPA] link across airport?

[lakeland]

No. The only reason would be if all the licensed spectrum was occupied
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:20:53 
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] link across airport?


I am getting ready to put up a new licensed link, probably 11 or 18ghz. 
  I have a small airport right in one potential path.  Anyone know if 
that's going to kill the FCC approval?


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[WISPA] Satellite internet

[lakeland]

I have a customer looking for "enterprise quality" ( his words)  satellite 
service. Money is not really an issue.ooling for a couple of Megs guaranteed.  
Any suggestions? 

Tnx

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Re: [WISPA] Tower "general contractors"

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Randy

You should be able to call Crown and ask them for a list of authorized 
cobtractors. They should be able to supply you names. 

You may want to check with Crown and make sure the contractor does not have to 
be approved by them. Get it in writing if they say no BEFORE signing your 
contract

Bob
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From: Randy Cosby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:52:07 
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] Tower "general contractors"


We have the opportunity to get on a tower owned by Crown Castle 
International for a pretty decent rent.  However, they want the "general 
contractor" over any work to have a 5 million dollar umbrella policy. 
Having a hard time finding a general with anything near that.  Any 
recommendations in the Utah area?

We're only mounting equipment around 30 feet up the tower (planned to 
even use a bucket truck), and putting in a little enclosure on the 
ground.  Bah...


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Re: [WISPA] quality rugged, outdoor-friendly switches?

[lakeland]

I second Eric's nomination on the 2955 and the Moxa.  We have over 400 Cisco's 
in the field on a big municipal video project without a hickup

Bob
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:26:41 
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] quality rugged, outdoor-friendly switches?


Cisco 2955 - http://cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6738/index.html
Moxa EDS series - http://www.moxa.com/product/Managed_Redundant_Switches.htm
Garrettcom Magnum - http://www.garrettcom.com/mp62.htm

to name a few

-Eric


Rogelio wrote:
> I've got tons of various Bridgewave devices that I will need to connect 
> to some BelAir BA200s for a large muni rollout, but since this is 
> outdoors in a harsh environment, I'm guessing I'll need some sort of 
> hardened outdoor-friendly switch.
>
> I suppose I could look at various NEMA enclosures to put on a regular 
> switch, but I'd rather just start from the getgo with some quality 
> rugged switches.
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Re: [WISPA] Distance on 18ghz with 2' dishes?

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Depends on manufactuer, product and reliabilty goal.
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From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:52:17 
To: Motorola Canopy User Group<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; WISPA General 
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Subject: [WISPA] Distance on 18ghz with 2' dishes?


Anybody have an idea of what distance can be achieved with an 18ghz link and
2' dishes?

-- 
John M. McDowell
Boonlink Communications
307 Grand Ave NW
Fort Payne, AL 35967
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Re: [WISPA] filtered power in cop cars for wireless gear

[lakeland]

Run all your power cnnections, including the ground wires.

Most police package cars have high quality ingnition package ( resistor plugs, 
wires, etc) to reduce radio/rf noise. When we placed MDT systems in these 
vehicles we had almost no problems related to noise on the power side.

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-Original Message-
From: Rogelio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:33:34 
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Subject: [WISPA] filtered power in cop cars for wireless gear


The other day, I was talking to some people about wireless solutions in 
cop cars, and they said something about the power being provided to the 
wireless equipment in the trunk not being "filtered"

What does this mean?  (Sorry, but I have limited knowledge about 
power-related issues)



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Re: [WISPA] filtered power in cop cars for wireless gear

[lakeland]

This should have said runn all your power connections directly to the battery. 

Maintaining clean battery connections (no corrosion, etc) is extremely 
important.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:17:22 
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] filtered power in cop cars for wireless gear


Run all your power cnnections, including the ground wires.

Most police package cars have high quality ingnition package ( resistor plugs, 
wires, etc) to reduce radio/rf noise. When we placed MDT systems in these 
vehicles we had almost no problems related to noise on the power side.

Bob
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-Original Message-
From: Rogelio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:33:34 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] filtered power in cop cars for wireless gear


The other day, I was talking to some people about wireless solutions in 
cop cars, and they said something about the power being provided to the 
wireless equipment in the trunk not being "filtered"

What does this mean?  (Sorry, but I have limited knowledge about 
power-related issues)



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[WISPA] OT Network Question

[lakeland]

I am not a net guy so here is probably a quick easy question.  If there are two 
switches on a network does it effect network traffic or is it strictly a 
management issue only?

Tnx

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[WISPA] OT. Network Question

[lakeland]

It was just brought to my attention that I omitted an important piece of my 
question last night. Let's try it again...

If two switches on the same network HAVE THE SAME IP, will it effect network 
traffc???

Bob
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Re: [WISPA] Trylon Titan Foundation Work

[lakeland]

Easy project

Foundation for a 40 Trylon is probably something like 6 x 6 x 4'.  Any concrete 
contractor should be able to do this real cheap. 6 yards of crete at $90 or so 
a yard. Rent a mini excavator for about $200. Rebar the hole another couple of 
hundred. Install the base, make sure its level, pour the crete, float and wait.

Build the tower on the ground and lift it in place with a boom truck.

Boom truck for a couple of hours should be less than $500.

Do it yourself for $1600 or less. Have contractors do it for around $2500-3000 
or so.

I don't know what your antenna loading is but a 60' telephone pole with 
climbing steps is a lot cheaper. Like $2K.

Good luck
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-Original Message-
From: "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:15:02 
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Trylon Titan Foundation Work


I am working on a project that is going to involve installing a Trylon Titan
40' tower.  I'm really not interested in pouring the foundation, does anyone
know what it would cost to have a local concrete company pour it (rough
estimate. I know its going to vary).

 

Anyone know what a rough guess would be to have a tower company build the
tower?

 

Thanks in advance!

Daniel White
3-dB Networks 

 




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[WISPA] FYI

[lakeland]

* Broadcasters petition to extend white-spaces comments 
 

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Re: [WISPA] OT, just wondering

[lakeland]

You have too much spare time on your hands
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:01:35 
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Subject: [WISPA] OT, just wondering


How many barrels of oil per day does it take to keep all of these lights 
running?

http://www.physics.sfasu.edu/observatory/NightLights/lp_model.gif

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Re: [WISPA] star os help

[lakeland]

Told ya Marlon.  Told ya so

:-)
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:05:14 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] star os help


Marlon... call Matt Larsen.  I know he knows Star OS inside and out

Daniel White
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Subject: [WISPA] star os help
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Hi All,

I have a StarOS system that's running slow.  It's probably an interference 
issue but I'm not good enough with these units to figure out what channels 
to use based on scans etc.  I'd also like some help with tweaks etc.

Who would be a good consultant or operator to hire to help with this?

This is somewhat urgent.  I've tried to fix it myself a couple of times now 
and I'm not doing much good.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC licensing

[lakeland]

They might not be licensed. Go past the transmitter site, get the gps 
coordinates and enter them into the FCC search site and see what comes up


Wouldn't be the first unlicensed licensed link I have seen

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Re: [WISPA] billboards

[lakeland]

Travis

Alan Marsalis was doing that before he sold ShreveNet. I believe the only real 
issue he had was electrical power not being at a lot of sites

I know Clear Channel is doing site leasing on their billboards and I can't 
remember the name of the other big company that Alan was dealing with.

Bob
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:48:07 
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Subject: [WISPA] billboards


Hi,

Has anyone had success using billboards for small repeaters? Just a 
small backhaul antenna and a small omni?

We are considering contacting some billboard companies about this, and I 
was just wondering what we may run into?

thanks,

Travis
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