[WISPA] Maxxwave x86 router ethernet port problem

[Chris Fabien]

We have a maxxwave i7 x86 router from Baltic Networks. What I'm seeing is a
problem where the ethernet ports stop working one at a time. The remote
side will still show a 1G link but the router either shows 10Meg or No Link
and no traffic will pass.

This happens to the ports one at a time maybe once a week or so, until
several are not working. Then I have to power cycle the router to get them
all back working again.

Running 6.32.3

Is this just faulty hardware that I need to replace, or any other
suggestions?

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Vendor Recommendation

[Chris Fabien]

We have been happy with VOIP Innovations. They did have some problems a
year or two ago with DOS attacks but I think they handled it well and made
several key network improvements to prevent it happening agian.

On Mar 13, 2017 11:07 AM, "Joey Craig"  wrote:

> Yes, this is a serious problem. Not only is our office down, but also to
> the residential  and business companies we resale too.
>
> We currently use Momentum are they claiming routed issues from their
> Atlanta switch. Sure, I can understand, but no word since Friday and
> ongoing since then?
>
> On Mar 13, 2017 9:54 AM, "Mike Francis"  wrote:
>
> Joey,
>
> We provide a lot of enterprise and wholesale voip for other carriers and
> ISPs. In fact we are also the VOIP provider for the WISPA offices. I can
> connect you with one of our sales engineers if you would like to discuss.
>
> Thank you,
> John Michael Francis II
> JMF Solutions, Inc
> Wavefly - Internet Voip Cloud
> INC 5000 #2593
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> We are having  many problems with our current VoIP vendor and would like
> any recommendations that anyone would have.
>
>
>
> Currently, our phone service for in our office is not working and hasn’t
> since last Friday.
>
>
>
> Please make any recommendations ASAP. Please use my mobile number listed
> below with any phone calls.
>
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> Thank You.
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Re: [WISPA] Active Ethernet switches

[Chris Fabien]

There is a 10 SFP mikrotik switch...

On Mar 2, 2017 11:22 AM, "Fred Goldstein" <f...@interisle.net> wrote:

> On 3/2/2017 10:54 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>
> CRS series. As well. Depending on how dense you want.  229 bucks gets you
> a pair of 10 gig ports and 24 copper. ?
>
>
>
>
> I'm not looking for copper, except maybe a couple ports for the local
> connection; I'm looking for lots of SFPs, something that could be useful
> for a rural FTTP build, dropped into a pedestal somewhere in the middle of
> noplace, to feed a cluster of nearby buildings. MikroTik isn't in that
> space yet; CRS seems to be lots of copper.
>
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> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Fred Goldstein
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 1, 2017 9:37 PM
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Active Ethernet switches
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2017 8:31 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>
> Planet mgsw-28240
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the model number. I had looked on Planet's web site but there
> were no switches under "Braodband Communications"; that model was in the
> "LAN switch" section. The product name then says "Managed Metro Ethernet
> Switch" but it doesn't mention any MEF compliance, the application page
> says "core/department network" (though it uses SFPs, which is odd there),
> and its QoS features don't seem up to MEF standards (three-color marking,
> etc.). So it might work but I'm not sure if it really wants to be a carrier
> box.
>
> What's the price? My recollection is that Planet was very very reasonable.
>
> The other one that looks really interesting is the new IgniteNet Fusion
> Switch. The 20-SFP/4-SFP+ box is under $500, and seems to be aimed at
> Active carrier deployments. Of course it's kinda new so I don't know if
> anyone has it deployed yet. And I have no need for higher-layer features in
> a switch; I'd rather let a real router do that.
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2017 7:07 PM, "Fred Goldstein" <f...@interisle.net> wrote:
>
> For a small outdoor or semi-outdoor (not a/c) deployment of a couple of
> dozen ports or so, what's a good cheap Active Ethernet switch? This would
> be to supplement wireless and focus on business customers, so Active makes
> more sense. Thanks.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Active Ethernet switches

[Chris Fabien]

Planet mgsw-28240

On Mar 1, 2017 7:07 PM, "Fred Goldstein"  wrote:

> For a small outdoor or semi-outdoor (not a/c) deployment of a couple of
> dozen ports or so, what's a good cheap Active Ethernet switch? This would
> be to supplement wireless and focus on business customers, so Active makes
> more sense. Thanks.
>
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[WISPA] Federal requirements for video providers

[Chris Fabien]

We are considering launching a video product. I understand local
franchising and state registration requirements in my state.

What is required on a federal level in terms of forms, annual filings, and
are there any costs/fees on a federal level? (Like NANP and Telecom Relay
Fees for VOIP providers)

Thanks
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LakeNet LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole

[Chris Fabien]

Has the edgepoint been rock solid for you? Thats my main concern with that
approach. This tower is a difficult climb (its actually a light pole) so
avoiding trips up top is ideal.


On Jan 18, 2017 3:50 PM, "Clay Stewart" <
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:

> UBNT EdgePoint
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Because no SFP bro
>>
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>> On Jan 18, 2017 3:17 PM, "Clay Stewart" <cstewart@stewartcomputerservi
>> ces.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We use UBNT Carrier. We have attached it to 1/8 cable for support. You
>>> do have to be careful not to tear the outer shield, as otherwise you will
>>> have water go into the cabinet.
>>>
>>> We now do not use cat5 on commercial towers, and have opted to a power
>>> cable with fiber. Why run 10-12 strands of cat5 when one strand of fiber
>>> does the job, with ESD?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We are doing a deployment on a 90ft steel monopole where our cable will
>>>> hang inside the pole. It seems like we should be using a better grade of
>>>> cable than the Primus shielded cat5 we usually use for towers where it is
>>>> taped to the leg. Any suggestions?
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole

[Chris Fabien]

Tips on what connectors to use? That looks like a very thick cable. Also
how to hang it at the top?


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:31 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> bbdge or bbdg6
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We are doing a deployment on a 90ft steel monopole where our cable will
>> hang inside the pole. It seems like we should be using a better grade of
>> cable than the Primus shielded cat5 we usually use for towers where it is
>> taped to the leg. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Chris Fabien
>> LakeNet LLC
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[WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole

[Chris Fabien]

We are doing a deployment on a 90ft steel monopole where our cable will
hang inside the pole. It seems like we should be using a better grade of
cable than the Primus shielded cat5 we usually use for towers where it is
taped to the leg. Any suggestions?

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Charge for remote thermostat?

[Chris Fabien]

You want internet connected devices to work, you have to keep paying for
your internet right? I don't know of any provider who has a super-slow plan
for thermostats. I would tell them pay the normal rate, $50/mo is a LOT
cheaper than a broken pipe right?

We do offer "vacation hold" for $5/mo but that is service not active, just
lets the equipment stay at the house.


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Customer wants to have control of their thermostat and heading south for
> 3-6 months. I'm guessing they want a $5/mo connection. Suggestions on how
> to handle or charge for this?
>
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> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
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[WISPA] Is ePMP 1000 Lite AP discontinued?

[Chris Fabien]

Was going to use these + RF element horns for a micro-cell deployment,
can't seem to find them in stock. I know the 2000 AP is out now, did that
replace the 1000 AP?
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[WISPA] The Cord Cutting Sales Pitch

[Chris Fabien]

We have several areas where we will soon have FTTH or 50Mbps+ Wireless
available and feel we are capable of competing against the cable company on
speed/price for Internet service. It seems like some portion of current
cable customer would be resistant to change without us being able to
provide their TV service.

We have been evaluating two IPTV service offerings and just don't feel like
they are going to be profitable or a good business line to invest in long
term.  Interested in feedback but between the slim margins, setup costs,
ongoing support, and the transport or transit that would be required it
seems break-even would be a best case. I know it would probably win us more
internet customers but not sure it would be enough to be worthwhile.

We have done satellite TV  sales in the past and I don't want to get back
into that either.

I am curious if any of you are actively marketing or encouraging streaming
to try to make cord cutting part of your sales pitch. We are even
considering giving one of the $30 Roku players along with installation. I
am curious how you are marketing this and how much support you offer to
people on the streaming side. Like most rural areas we have a large number
of not very tech savvy users.

Also curious about installing OTA TV antenna as an additional service at
installation. Anyone doing that and how is that working out?

Thanks
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[WISPA] ePMP vs Mimosa for 50Mbps+ Speed plans.

[Chris Fabien]

We have deployed 5Ghz ePMP on some remote sites with omni antennas and been
happy overall. I am considering what our next step should be for our major
5Ghz sites.

These are ubnt M5 gear currently selling up to 15 Mbps. Most of these
towers will be fiber fed soon and I would like to start offering at least
25-50 meg speed plans. I think either ePMP or Mimosa should be capable...

I am interested to hear reports from operators using either platform to
offer these or higher speeds. Mimosa seems a bit of an immature product
line with maybe higher capacity, ePMP seems mature and stable.

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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

Even with their methodology being flawed, it is also very broken and only
listing 10% of the blocks where we have customers.

I did talk with powercode, they have been aware of this bug for a couple
weeks... I stressed that this is a major issue and they really owe their
customers to notify them of something like this especially in light of
todays deadline for submitting revised data. I am sure most powercode users
have been just submitting the generates files.

On Aug 31, 2016 1:25 PM, "Kameron Blomquist" <kame...@sightlinewireless.com>
wrote:

The deployment data is always wrong, you cant just submit that. It just
goes off of subscriber info.

We got the deployment data from Towercoverage and use the subscriber data
from PC.



*Kameron B.*
*SightLine Wireless*
*(503) 967-7222 <%28503%29%20967-7222>*
*www.sightlinewireless.com <http://www.sightlinewireless.com>*


On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Charles Wu <cwu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> While I can’t speak directly for PowerCode, I suspect that if you got an
> unsolicited voicemail from them that they probably have someone monitoring
> this list.
>
>
>
> -Charles
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:38 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
>
>
> FYI guys I got a voicemail at my office yesterday afternoon from powercode
> confirming they are aware of this issue.
>
> I have not spoken to them yet and I am not sure if they are aware this is
> a time critical issue for some WISP who may have CAF funding becoming
> available for someone to overbuild them due to faulty 477 data.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
> I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> wrote:
>
> I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would
> line up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down
> from one plan and an upload that from a different plan.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
> That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
>  others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
> with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what blocks
> can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription counts
> actual subscribers in tracts.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
> Well then. That sucks.
>
>
>
> -
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> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

FYI guys I got a voicemail at my office yesterday afternoon from powercode
confirming they are aware of this issue.

I have not spoken to them yet and I am not sure if they are aware this is a
time critical issue for some WISP who may have CAF funding becoming
available for someone to overbuild them due to faulty 477 data.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

> I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would
>> line up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down
>> from one plan and an upload that from a different plan.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <
>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
>>>  others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
>>> with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what
>>>> blocks can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription
>>>> counts actual subscribers in tracts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <
>>>> wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well then. That sucks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>
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>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
>>>>> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <
>>>>> wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch..

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would
line up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down
from one plan and an upload that from a different plan.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

> That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
>  others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
> with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
>> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what
>> blocks can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription
>> counts actual subscribers in tracts.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well then. That sucks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>
>>> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
>>> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>>
>>>> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
>>>> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
>>>> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
>>>> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
>>>> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
>>>> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
>>>> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
>>>> them shortly.
>>>>
>>>> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
>>>> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
>>>> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
>>>> background a

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

The first value in the deployment data is a census block ID. That file
reports your coverage area, and what technology and speeds offered on a
per-census block basis. There should be a LOT of census blocks in the list
if you have a large coverage area like most WISPs. How many lines do you
have in the deployment file compared to the 350 in the subscriber file?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

> Interesting. I think I understand the data that's in the files for the
> most part.  The deplyment data looks like info about plans what whatnot.
> and the subscriber info is the blocks/tracts covered.
> We have over 350 lines in the subscriber file.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
>> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
>> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
>> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
>> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
>> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
>> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
>> them shortly.
>>
>> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
>> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
>> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
>> background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.
>>
>> Chris Fabien
>> LakeNet LLC
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>
>>>
>>> *shrug*
>>> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
>>> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
>>> to the fcc 477 site.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have subscribers
that powercode should have included in the CSV.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
wrote:

> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
> them shortly.
>
> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
> background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.
>
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>>
>> *shrug*
>> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
>> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
>> to the fcc 477 site.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chris 

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
them shortly.

If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477, you
really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one other
powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
wrote:

> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
>
> *shrug*
> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
> to the fcc 477 site.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM
>> *Subject: *[WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>> Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS
>> software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the
>> blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone
>> else noticed this?
>>
>> We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting
>> it bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

Imported a shapefile of the census blocks and matched up the output from
powercode. We were getting like 20 blocks from powercode when we should
have several hundred...

On Aug 30, 2016 4:53 PM, "Kevin Sullivan" <kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net>
wrote:

How did you check it?



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:47 AM
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*Subject:* [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate



Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone
else noticed this?



We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting
it bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage.

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[WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone
else noticed this?

We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting
it bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage.
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[WISPA] High-Rise Building Rooftop Grounding

[Chris Fabien]

We are quoting the installation of two 5ft tall Non-Pen mounts with some
small dish antennas as part of a security camera project. I am trying to
determine what is required by code for grounding these masts and the cat5
lines to the radios where they enter the rooftop mechanical building.

It is an older 10-story apartment tower. I did not pay very close attention
to grounding when I was on site, I do not believe there is any sort of
lightning rod system. There is an elevator mechanical room on the roof,
where we will be installing a small POE switch to power the APs. Hoping
someone on the list has done this before and can tell me what is required.

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[WISPA] Anyone deployed RealChoiceTV yet?

[Chris Fabien]

Would like to discuss experience if you have we are considering.

Chris Fabien
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[WISPA] Anyone sell ICOM IDAS radios/repeaters?

[Chris Fabien]

We are evaluating a couple different options for 2-way radios and would
like to get some info/pricing. Ive heard it discussed on this list before.
If any wispa members sell this please contact me off list.

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Re: [WISPA] Look up DID owner

[Chris Fabien]

Thanks that is the tool I needed!
On Jun 13, 2016 7:18 PM, "Jon Hebb" <jh...@interfornetworks.com> wrote:

> Free LRN lookup at the bottom of this page:
> http://www.alcazarnetworks.com/data_services_lnp_lrn.php
> On Jun 13, 2016 5:26 PM, "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
>> We are having a porting problem. Is there anyone who can lookup a number
>> and find out whose system we are hitting when we dial it. It's a current
>> customers porting away from us and I think the other provider messed up the
>> port but are blaming us.
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[WISPA] Look up DID owner

[Chris Fabien]

We are having a porting problem. Is there anyone who can lookup a number
and find out whose system we are hitting when we dial it. It's a current
customers porting away from us and I think the other provider messed up the
port but are blaming us.
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[WISPA] Fake Survey Ad/Scam from Zedo.com

[Chris Fabien]

We are getting reports from our users that we took your online survey

Finally happened to catch it on my personal computer, it is a fake survey
that offers $120 gift for taking a survey from LakeNet LLC, asks a series
of questions about our service and then lets the user select their choice
of some junk cosmetics or a free credit report.

I'm not even sure what the point of this is, but I tracked it back to
Zedo.com which is an advertising agency. I've tried calling them, only able
to get to a voicemail box which tells me to email their support address,
which I've done

Is this type of thing even legal for them to do? It's totally
misrepresenting their ad as being from my company.

I'm attaching a screenshot.

Any suggestions?

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Re: [WISPA] Fake Survey Ad/Scam from Zedo.com

[Chris Fabien]

Going further, it looks like your free gift is actually a free trial of a
$149 cosmetics package and an auto-enrollment in their $99/mo auto
replenishment - real nice.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 Typical phishing thing...just warn your customers I suppose?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 We are getting reports from our users that we took your online
 survey

 Finally happened to catch it on my personal computer, it is a fake survey
 that offers $120 gift for taking a survey from LakeNet LLC, asks a series
 of questions about our service and then lets the user select their choice
 of some junk cosmetics or a free credit report.

 I'm not even sure what the point of this is, but I tracked it back to
 Zedo.com which is an advertising agency. I've tried calling them, only able
 to get to a voicemail box which tells me to email their support address,
 which I've done

 Is this type of thing even legal for them to do? It's totally
 misrepresenting their ad as being from my company.

 I'm attaching a screenshot.

 Any suggestions?

 Chris Fabien
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[WISPA] Mikrotik AC for PtP

[Chris Fabien]

Ordered a couple of the NetMetal5 which have the RB/922UAGS-5HPacD in them.
Anyone used these yet? Is there a version of RouterOS known to work well?
Are they stable yet software wise on the AC stuff?
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Re: [WISPA] 5GHz CPE Install Information

[Chris Fabien]

Well, first, we've found having multiple towers covering an area helps a
lot in these situations where a house might have trees in the wrong
direction blocking one tower, it may be open in another direction to a
different tower. So you may want more towers than necessary just to cover
the area on a map. We've actually added some 5ghz only towers to fill in
coverage gaps where we had marginal coverage on 900mhz, 2.4 or 3.65 all of
which we use for NLOS customers.

If the tech still finds they have trees in the way, then we try to get
above or around the trees. We have several options: 4x4 wood yard post with
10ft metal mast, mounted on far side of trees (like for your windbreak
example), 5 or 10ft roof tripod with 10ft mast may give just enough extra
height to clear a more distant tree line. We occasionally put a 50ft
push-up mast on an outuilding, but those are a PAIN to install and service.
And we have a lot of customers where a tower is their only option - we sell
them the tower in those cases. Sometimes they can turn into a repeater
tower to expand your 5ghz LOS service to the nearby neighbors.

Of course, there will be customers that can't afford a 60-100ft tower, so
they won't be able to get service - you can't get every customer with
wireless

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Timothy Way t...@way.vg wrote:

 I am doing a lot of research as well as a lab built 5GHz test system for a
 point to multi-point build. It seems everything is going the way of 5GHz
 and with that I have a fair amount of concern regarding getting a definite
 clear line of site from a customer to a tower offering them service.
 Specifically I am struggling with what others are doing on the customer
 side.

 The area I am looking to build out with 5GHz would be pretty typical
 farmland. The vast majority of it is wide open but around the houses people
 do have a fair amount of trees to create wind blocks and just physical
 separation from the fields.

 If the customer has an obstruction like trees or other rooftops that might
 block a signal do you put up your own small tower to get them service? Do
 you not try to service them?

 What type of equipment do you use to actually do the installation then? Do
 you generally say because of xyz reason you need a tower and we do it for
 you but it will be a one time fee of x or a monthly fee of y?

 Thanks in advance, Tim



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[WISPA] Cogent Sales Contact

[Chris Fabien]

Does someone have a contact they've been happy dealing with? Earlier this
year we were cold called by a Cogent rep who was a huge jerk, I'd like to
get an updated quote but don't want to deal with that guy.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Cogent Sales Contact

[Chris Fabien]

Thanks Guys.


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.com
wrote:

 Chris,

 Phil Davis
 Global Account Manager
 pbda...@cogentco.com
 (202) 295-4347

 Good luck!


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 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 Does someone have a contact they've been happy dealing with? Earlier this
 year we were cold called by a Cogent rep who was a huge jerk, I'd like to
 get an updated quote but don't want to deal with that guy.

 Chris Fabien
 LakeNet LLC


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Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

[Chris Fabien]

We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very
reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through
the process the first time.  I can share details of pricing off list, but
the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the
tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs
additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did
take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo
and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some
additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their
requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do
this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably
makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost
makes it much more expensive.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart 
timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:

 Mike
 see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell
 Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there
 water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an
 other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor
 told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one
 water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the
 city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the
 city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying
 them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these
 municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically
 think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider.


 --
 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent
 totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each...  because that's
 what ATT or Verizon paid.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From:* Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 Brian
 when you say they  do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that?
 because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water
 towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower
 Co.

 Tim

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 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

  American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They
 did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where
 their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will
 pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests
 for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are
 much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something
 about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that
 they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in the first
 couple of years to give the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream
 going on that site.



 While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build
 their own towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower
 company in a way that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model
 is a major leap in the right direction compared to years past.



 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com



 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of* CBB - Jay Fuller
 *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's





 For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it.
 Geez.

 Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town

 - Original Message -

 *From:*Zach Underwood z...@zachunderwood.me

 *To:*WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent:*Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM

 *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's



 Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot tower in a in a
 very well to do part of town for $750 mrc. Setup cost was $4k.



 On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com
 wrote:

 How pricing looked like?







 Gino A. Villarini

 President

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 www.aeronetpr.com

 @aeronetpr

Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

[Chris Fabien]

One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal with
than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water tower.
We will probably not pursue water towers any more.


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very
 reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through
 the process the first time.  I can share details of pricing off list, but
 the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the
 tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs
 additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did
 take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo
 and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some
 additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their
 requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do
 this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably
 makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost
 makes it much more expensive.


 On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:

 Mike
 see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT
 Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on
 there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call
 an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city
 mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for
 one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted
 the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the
 city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying
 them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these
 municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically
 think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider.


 --
 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose
 rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each...  because
 that's what ATT or Verizon paid.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From:* Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 Brian
 when you say they  do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that?
 because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water
 towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower
 Co.

 Tim

 --
 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

  American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week.
 They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas
 where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction
 you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or
 requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty)
 they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention
 something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also
 said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in
 the first couple of years to give the WISP a break until they get a revenue
 stream going on that site.



 While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build
 their own towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower
 company in a way that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model
 is a major leap in the right direction compared to years past.



 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com



 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of* CBB - Jay Fuller
 *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's





 For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on
 it.  Geez.

 Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town

 - Original Message -

 *From:*Zach Underwood z...@zachunderwood.me

 *To:*WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent:*Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM

 *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's



 Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot

Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

[Chris Fabien]

We did the install ourself. You do have to get certified as an authorized
climber with American Tower. Just insurance and training, mainly.


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Tim Reichhart 
timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:

 Mike n Chris
 but see the problem with these cell phone towers they will not allow you
 personally get on there towers you have to use there sub contractor to do
 all your equipment on there towers from one rep from american tower told me.


 --
 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: 05/24/14 10:25 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 *nods*  They won't have the restricted hours a water tower has either.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

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  *From:* Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:55:49 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal
 with than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water
 tower. We will probably not pursue water towers any more.


 On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien  ch...@lakenetmi.comwrote:

 We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very
 reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through
 the process the first time.  I can share details of pricing off list, but
 the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the
 tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs
 additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did
 take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo
 and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some
 additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their
 requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do
 this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably
 makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost
 makes it much more expensive.


 On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:

 Mike
 see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT
 Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on
 there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call
 an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city
 mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for
 one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted
 the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the
 city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying
 them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these
 municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically
 think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider.


  --
 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hammett  wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org
  Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose
 rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each...  because
 that's what ATT or Verizon paid.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From:* Tim Reichhart  timreichh...@hometowncable.net
 *To:* WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 Brian
 when you say they  do graduated rent increase what do you mean by
 that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there
 water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American
 Tower Co.

 Tim

 --
 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Webster  i...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: 'WISPA General List'  wireless@wispa.org
 Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

  American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week.
 They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas
 where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction
 you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or
 requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty)
 they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention
 something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also
 said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in
 the first couple of years to give the WISP

Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

[Chris Fabien]

Yes American Tower


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

   Who has the Wisp friendly program? American Towers?



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
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Re: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM

[Chris Fabien]

It seems like a box on site would make routing/nat issues easier to manage
especially for customers who may not have our Internet or want to keep a
second internet provider for redundancy.  It seems like a bunch of ip
phones behind nat connecting up to our switch or a hosted solution would be
problematic.

  If you have a suggestion on a solid solution i'm all ears, want to learn
whats available and how others are doing this.
On May 14, 2014 1:21 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote:

 Why do you want to put  a 'box' on-site ?

 Why not hosted PBX, and have IP Phones  ?

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

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 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:40:10 PM
 *Subject: *[WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM

 Anyone tried out this Grandstream IP PBX? Looking for a low cost option we
 can use for small businesses with 4-8 phones. Also need to redo our office
 phones so I have a nice chance to try out a new product before selling one
 to a customer. Any suggestions other than the grandstream are welcome too.

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[WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM

[Chris Fabien]

Anyone tried out this Grandstream IP PBX? Looking for a low cost option we
can use for small businesses with 4-8 phones. Also need to redo our office
phones so I have a nice chance to try out a new product before selling one
to a customer. Any suggestions other than the grandstream are welcome too.
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Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

[Chris Fabien]

Wow. Sounds like you need to find someone who can port the numbrrs away
fast for you.
On May 1, 2014 7:25 PM, Joe Fiero joe1...@optonline.net wrote:

 Anyone else using VoX for VoIP service?



 We lost inbound calling today.  I just received this from VoX:



 Dear Customer,

 At approximately 1:00PM EDT today one of our main suppliers of inbound
 phone numbers disconnected us.
 We apologize for this. We know it  will cause problems for some customers.
 VoX did everything it could to keep all services running smoothly.
 Unfortunately, this was unavoidable.
 This problem should not affect outbound calls and we urge you to email
 customerc...@voxcorp.net should you have issues calling out from your VoX
 service.

 Due to recent problems the company has had raising funds for continued
 operations, we have had to make some very tough decisions with the
 resources and carriers that are currently available to us.

 If your service was affected because of this issue, you have two options.

 1. We can offer you a replacement phone number in your rate center at no
 cost to you.
 2. You can switch your service to another phone company.


 If you want a replacement phone number, please send an email to
 customerc...@voxcorp.net. Please be sure to include your account number,
 or, current VoX phone number.


 Thank You,
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Re: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures

[Chris Fabien]

For micro-pops we use 12x12x6 plastic box from home depot. Big enough for a
rb750up power supply and a duplex outlet.
On Apr 30, 2014 5:38 PM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

 We use a lot of Hoffman 18x18x6 boxes... best to have a little more
 room then you plan as it is hard to go back and change out for a bigger
 box, and easy not to use a little extra space.


 On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote:

 What do you guy use for small NEMA waterproof enclosures? These would be
 the size to hold three UBNT PoE and a small (four-port) switch and
 corresponding AC adapter, and an electrical block with four receptacles
 for plugging in the aforementioned items.

 Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures

[Chris Fabien]

The 12x12s are $33 at home depot I think. Agree you have to be careful with
the screws.
On Apr 30, 2014 6:03 PM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

 I use to use those boxes (same as Lowes) but the issue was after opening
 them a few times, the screw holes would get stripped out by a heavy handed
 tech, or power screwdriver. They cost around $54 [image: Inline image 1] and
 for $30 more you can get a real outdoor Huffman NEMA heavy gauge metal box
 that had a lockable latch. I buy them from a local electrical supplier -
 Foster Electric... pickup, no shipping costs.


 On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 For micro-pops we use 12x12x6 plastic box from home depot. Big enough for
 a rb750up power supply and a duplex outlet.
  On Apr 30, 2014 5:38 PM, Clay Stewart 
 cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

 We use a lot of Hoffman 18x18x6 boxes... best to have a little more
 room then you plan as it is hard to go back and change out for a bigger
 box, and easy not to use a little extra space.


 On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote:

 What do you guy use for small NEMA waterproof enclosures? These would be
 the size to hold three UBNT PoE and a small (four-port) switch and
 corresponding AC adapter, and an electrical block with four receptacles
 for plugging in the aforementioned items.

 Thanks,
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[WISPA] BGP Initial Setup Consult

[Chris Fabien]

Anyone who is able to setup BGP routing on a CCR1016 please contact me
offlist for details. We just got our initial IP allocation and need to hire
out setting this up and some initial training.

Thanks
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[WISPA] Roku 3 Wifi Interference

[Chris Fabien]

Has anyone run into this yet?

The Roku 3 uses it's own dedicated wifi network to communicate with the
remote control. If the roku is connected to the customer's wifi router to
get online, the remote wifi will always use the same channel and cause
interference with other wifi devices.

We just had an install today where the router was hearing the interfering
SSID from the roku at a -22. And as you might expect the wifi performance
was garbage.

Just one more thing to look out for and cause support headaches.

The workaround is to plug in the roku via ethernet, which will make it use
the 5ghz band to talk to remote - of course that might interfere with your
5ghz CPE now.

Are IR remotes really all that bad?
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket AP through put

[Chris Fabien]

You cam ssh in and run top to see if its cpu limited. What are your details
on the APs giving trouble? Max throughput it sees, speeds sold, modulation
of customers etc?
On Apr 17, 2014 1:20 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  PS, We have ~ 1400 subs and don't see but around 36Kpps going through
 our core even right now (peak time, 9pm).

  *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
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   On 04/16/2014 08:03 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:

 Whats the magic PPS number for the Rockets? I forget...
 On Apr 16, 2014 8:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote:

  My guess is that you are running out of PPS capacity (packets per
 second).

  Video tends to be smaller packets in size but larger number in
 quantity...

  So, here come a lot of if's and's or buts.

 How do the other folks (Wisp's) Manage this issue. ?

   Lots of different ways, but before you dive into that.. you will
 have to describe your network a bit

  Bridged ? Routed ?
 What is doing Traffic Shaping ?

  How many AP's/ Pop ? what is the Backhaul ? etc.

  I wish there was a simple answer for the problem you are
 describing..

  :)

  Regards.


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 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 305%20663%205518%20x%20232

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 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:50:07 PM
 *Subject: *[WISPA] Rocket AP through put

  Looking for some feed back concerning Rocket APs. We have quite a few
 of these in the field with UBNT Sectors and KPerformance Sectors.

  What we run into is customer complaints about slow speeds at night when
 they call into after hours support. We come in the next day and run speed
 tests to the radios and they look ok.

  Some APs have 20 subs and some as high as 50 subs.

  Yesterday one of our employees ran speed tests from his home connected
 to one of those APs during the day and he got 15M. Then that evening he
 tried to watch Netflix - biggest complaint from most subs - and it would
 not start. He ran a speed test and got 500K. The AP he is connected to has
 19 subs.

  Trying to figure out just how many subs streaming on an AP will bring
 the through put down to 500K?

  We are considering limiting how many streams can run on a given AP but
 need to figure where the breaking point is if that makes any sense.

  Thanks for any insight any one can shed on this.

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Re: [WISPA] Rocket AP through put

[Chris Fabien]

Can u send a screenshot of the station list on one of the struggling APs?
On Apr 17, 2014 11:11 AM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

 5gig 20Mhz


 On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 5:29 AM, Clay Stewart 
 cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

 Need to know - Freq, and CW?


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.comwrote:

 Looking for some feed back concerning Rocket APs. We have quite a few of
 these in the field with UBNT Sectors and KPerformance Sectors.

 What we run into is customer complaints about slow speeds at night when
 they call into after hours support. We come in the next day and run speed
 tests to the radios and they look ok.

 Some APs have 20 subs and some as high as 50 subs.

 Yesterday one of our employees ran speed tests from his home connected
 to one of those APs during the day and he got 15M. Then that evening he
 tried to watch Netflix - biggest complaint from most subs - and it would
 not start. He ran a speed test and got 500K. The AP he is connected to has
 19 subs.

 Trying to figure out just how many subs streaming on an AP will bring
 the through put down to 500K?

 We are considering limiting how many streams can run on a given AP but
 need to figure where the breaking point is if that makes any sense.

 Thanks for any insight any one can shed on this.

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[WISPA] VOIP Security Consultant

[Chris Fabien]

I need help troubleshooting some fraudulent activity on our FreePBX system
and implementing safeguards to prevent it happening again. Anyone who is
knowledgeable with this please contact me offlist.
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Security Consultant

[Chris Fabien]

This was someone relaying international calls through somehow. I don't
think the server itself was compromised. We caught very quickly but need to
figure out where the security flaw is.


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

 You'll probably get a visit from the fbi soon.  We had a server penitrated
 for a couple hours one day a few years back. I pulled the hd and rebuilt
 the box on a new disk and tightened up my firewall. A year later I got a
 visit from two agents asking about it with a warrant. I told them what
 happened and gave them the hd. Luckily I just left it sitting on top of the
 box all that time. Never heard anything else.

 Cameron
 On Apr 17, 2014 6:28 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Security Consultant

[Chris Fabien]

That would be fine, thank you


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Chris Stradtman 
cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com wrote:

 Chris,

 I'm on an Asterisk mailing list where a lot of folks do this for a living.
  Would you like me to forward your request onto that list??

 Chris Stradtman


 On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 This was someone relaying international calls through somehow. I don't
 think the server itself was compromised. We caught very quickly but need to
 figure out where the security flaw is.


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 You'll probably get a visit from the fbi soon.  We had a server
 penitrated for a couple hours one day a few years back. I pulled the hd and
 rebuilt the box on a new disk and tightened up my firewall. A year later I
 got a visit from two agents asking about it with a warrant. I told them
 what happened and gave them the hd. Luckily I just left it sitting on top
 of the box all that time. Never heard anything else.

 Cameron
 On Apr 17, 2014 6:28 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] FS: RocketDish + Rocket M2s

[Chris Fabien]

Yep, hemlock mi 48626. Halfaay between saginaw and alma.
On Apr 6, 2014 2:46 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  Besides it's use as poison, I have no idea where Hemlock is...

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 On 4/6/2014 2:43 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

  Blair,I think Chris is in Hemlock.
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:41 PM, Blair Davis 
 the...@wmwisp.netthe...@wmwisp.netwrote:
I'm wondering where the seller is...  If in the mid-west, I'm
 interested...

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 On 4/6/2014 2:22 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:

   My mistake
 I thought I was answering the seller
 NGL

  *From:* Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
 *Sent:* Sunday, April 06, 2014 11:09 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] FS: RocketDish + Rocket M2s

  Where are you/they?

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[WISPA] FS: RocketDish + Rocket M2s

[Chris Fabien]

I have a surplus of Ubiquiti RD-2G24 2ft dishes with Rocket M2s attached.
Used working pulls. $150ea or quantity discount, plus shipping.
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[WISPA] Light Duty self-support

[Chris Fabien]

Who is your first call for an economical self support tower for a customer
to clear trees?

We typically build guyed Rohn 25 towers but this customer doesn't want guy
wires.

Needs to be 100ft and enough wind load to hold a small repeater site, maybe
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[WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP

[Chris Fabien]

We have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our
voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us.
Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way
to find out if anyone can port this number? Like a master list or database
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Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP

[Chris Fabien]

This is the adjacent rate center to one of our main service areas, it is a
local call. Different telco though.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 Typically, you can check to the local calling guide and if the rate center
 with the numbers is local to a rate center your providers are in, you
 should be good to go. YMMV.



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 *Subject: *[WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP


 We have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our
 voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us.
 Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way
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Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...

[Chris Fabien]

It's not as different or complicated as you think. Basically it's a
standard protocol that was designed for ptmp broadband access. It's a
standard, so in theory different operators equipment will talk to each
other unlike most of the popular WISP products that have drifted toward
proprietary protocols. The protocol is rather sophisticated and has some
tricks that help it have better success in nLOS situations than a
wifi-based protocol or canopy. The main downside from a performance
standpoint is higher latency due to how the scheduling works.

Your statement about adding another AP to get around obstructions is not
quite right, what you might be looking at is a base station that uses
antenna diversity to increase signal gain for nlos situations. Basically
multiple receive antennas on the same base station giving it ability to
hear the CPE better.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote:

 Today we had a company come to us pushing wimax. Admittedly I've never
 used wimax, nor do I know a lot about it. From what I can see looking at
 Google images of the technology and how it's deployed, it looks no
 different than the PtP and PtMP that we all use with 900 MHz, or 2.4 and
 5.x GHz.

 Is the only advantage to wimax the presumably clearer and less-used
 frequencies upon which they operate? I had (evidently mistakenly)
 thought that perhaps wimax was a code word for some sort of mesh, and
 that's how it achieved NLOS service. However in looking at the network
 layouts on Google, it doesn't look like that at all. Rather, it looks
 like that add another AP to get around the obstruction(s), and simply
 backhaul it to an intermediary AP/tower to get it back to the PoP.

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Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...

[Chris Fabien]

Thought I should add, the wimax protocol is independent from the frequency
band used. 3.65ghz is commonly used for wimax by WISPs in this country due
to the light licensing, but equipment is available to run wimax in 5.8,
3.65, 3.5, 2.3/2.5, 900, 700 that I'm aware of.  There is also non-wimax
equipment that will operate in all of those bands as well.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 It's not as different or complicated as you think. Basically it's a
 standard protocol that was designed for ptmp broadband access. It's a
 standard, so in theory different operators equipment will talk to each
 other unlike most of the popular WISP products that have drifted toward
 proprietary protocols. The protocol is rather sophisticated and has some
 tricks that help it have better success in nLOS situations than a
 wifi-based protocol or canopy. The main downside from a performance
 standpoint is higher latency due to how the scheduling works.

 Your statement about adding another AP to get around obstructions is not
 quite right, what you might be looking at is a base station that uses
 antenna diversity to increase signal gain for nlos situations. Basically
 multiple receive antennas on the same base station giving it ability to
 hear the CPE better.


 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote:

 Today we had a company come to us pushing wimax. Admittedly I've never
 used wimax, nor do I know a lot about it. From what I can see looking at
 Google images of the technology and how it's deployed, it looks no
 different than the PtP and PtMP that we all use with 900 MHz, or 2.4 and
 5.x GHz.

 Is the only advantage to wimax the presumably clearer and less-used
 frequencies upon which they operate? I had (evidently mistakenly)
 thought that perhaps wimax was a code word for some sort of mesh, and
 that's how it achieved NLOS service. However in looking at the network
 layouts on Google, it doesn't look like that at all. Rather, it looks
 like that add another AP to get around the obstruction(s), and simply
 backhaul it to an intermediary AP/tower to get it back to the PoP.

 Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...

[Chris Fabien]

Purewave also falls under whatever their name is now ...
On Mar 27, 2014 5:13 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 PureWave, RunCom, Alvarion (well, whatever their name is now), the
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 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...

 Yeah, I had heard canopy/cambium was doing other stuff. What are the other
 companies using though?

  *Josh Reynolds*
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   On 03/27/2014 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Wimax on the pmp320 and others is 3.65

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 27, 2014 2:36 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  Different frequencies (2.5 in the US, 2.3 in Asia, 3.3 and 3.5GHz in
 other areas)
 5bps/Hz vs 2.7bps/Hz on 802.11-stuff
 smart antenna systems
 on the fly bandwidth and channel changes
 channel bandwidths of things like 1.25MHz - 20MHz
 hybrid automatic repeat-request (HARQ -
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_automatic_repeat-request)
 etc.

 It's a different animal. It's very expensive though, and I've heard some
 pretty outrageous claims from it that I just don't believe.


  *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS
 j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
   On 03/27/2014 11:25 AM, Sam wrote:

 Today we had a company come to us pushing wimax. Admittedly I've never
 used wimax, nor do I know a lot about it. From what I can see looking at
 Google images of the technology and how it's deployed, it looks no
 different than the PtP and PtMP that we all use with 900 MHz, or 2.4 and
 5.x GHz.

 Is the only advantage to wimax the presumably clearer and less-used
 frequencies upon which they operate? I had (evidently mistakenly)
 thought that perhaps wimax was a code word for some sort of mesh, and
 that's how it achieved NLOS service. However in looking at the network
 layouts on Google, it doesn't look like that at all. Rather, it looks
 like that add another AP to get around the obstruction(s), and simply
 backhaul it to an intermediary AP/tower to get it back to the PoP.

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[Chris Fabien]

This can vary by locality too. We offer voip and collect/pay USF, sales
tax, state 911, and a different county 911 fee for each county we serve.


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:

  Doesn't sound right to me, unless they are going to do all the billing
 and tax filing in your behalf.

 If they charge you USF on your wholesale rate, who pays on the difference
 between your wholesale rate and the customer's marked up rate?

 On 3/26/2014 10:51 AM, Roger Howard wrote:

 So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with
 freeswitch, and it works great.

 I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the only
 thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought I had to
 collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. Maybe sales tax.
 etc.

 I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity
 booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the e-911
 is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get better
 pricing and charge what I like to the customers.

 Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something doesn't
 sound right, surely it can't be that easy?

 Thanks,
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[WISPA] ePMP won't pass DHCP?

[Chris Fabien]

I tried to switch traffic over to a new backhaul that is using ePMP radios
in a ptp configuration. We use Mikrotik DHCP Relay feature on our network
to relay requests to the powercode BMU in the NOC. The ePMP raidos do not
appear to pass this traffic -  can see 15pps of dhcp requests going in to
the one side of the link and nothing coming out to the router on the other
side. Using Ubiquiti radios we always set WDS mode which passes DHCP - on
mikrotiks it works as well. Is this really not supported on ePMP? Hard to
believe...

I did find this FAQ on their website which seems to indicate it's a known
issue but there is nothing in the release notes.

http://epmp.community.cambiumnetworks.com/customer/portal/questions/4596456-broadcast-transmission?b_id=646

Anyone run in to this or figure out how to get around it?

Chris Fabien
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Re: [WISPA] 8x8 antenna for ubnt?? pic attached

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The RPSMA Connectors spaced just right for rockets seems unlikely for a
Carrier panel antenna. I would guess that is a custom job , Maybe they put
the guts from several ubnt Sectors into a recycled case.
On Mar 16, 2014 9:20 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

   I think one of the many local wisps popping here are getting very
 creative

  Anyone can ID this sector? Im thinking its a Mobile Carrier antenna that
 they are reusing... but what band?



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[WISPA] ePMP PTP Results

[Chris Fabien]

I spent some time tonight working with a couple ePMP radios on a test link
and thought I'd share some results since I didn't get much feedback when I
asked about this use case a couple weeks ago.

Setup
The link is a 7.5 mile link in a fairly noisy area, it has 2ft ubiquiti
rocket dishes with RF Armor shield kits and formerly had normal Rocket M5
radios. Mikrotik CCR on one end and RB450 on other end. Evaluated latency
and throughput between the two routers using the RouterOS bandwidth test.
Used 20mhz channel throughout test.

On a noisy frequency where the link had been running, about -75 noise
floor, the Ubnt link would pass around 40 mbps aggregate with low latency
10ms. The ePMP would pass about 70mbps with stable 18ms latency, but
performance was inconsistent when changing direction (tx/rx/both) - almost
like the noise was little higher in one direction and affecting link
stability when I tried to run traffic in that direction. It seemed a little
less stable overall on that freq than the Ubnt radios. Throughout the
testing at this freq MCS varied 9-13.

On a cleaner frequency (DFS band) I was able to achieve solid MCS15. The
ePMP was able to deliver 100mbps aggregate throughput consistently, which
I found very impressive. The most I usually see from normal Rockets in this
type of test is usually around 70mbps.

The ePMP latency performance was a little unusual however. I noticed that
when I saturated the link, latency jumped up to 200-400ms. If I restricted
bandwidth to 90Mbps, I got nice consistent 18ms pings. When I run this type
of test on ubnt I do not see a latency spike like this. Mikrotik radios
running NV2 do increase at saturation, but only to around 100ms typically.
So I would say ePMP performance is worse in this regard.

I also noticed some inconsistent performance with regard to the ping times
expected for the fixed/flexible scheduling in the ePMP. When I was first
testing, I ran flexible mode and saw pings generally 6-10ms. In fixed mode,
I saw 17-18 ms which I think is what's expected. That was several days
ago... tonight I was seeing the 17-18ms even though I'm set to flexible -
almost like it's stuck. I am able to push nearly full speed in both
directions so it is definatley not in fixed mode.

Hope this feedback is valuable for you all. I think these radios could be a
very good option for low cost ptp radio, it would be nice if they could get
the latency spike reduced.

Chris Fabien
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Re: [WISPA] ePMP PTP Results

[Chris Fabien]

Some clarification:

These were $99 connectorized radios which I chose because I am interested
in a cheap upgrade from rockets or a more stable alternative to mikrotik.
On a 40mhz channel I'm sure you'd see a benefit from the gigabit eth ports
on the $500 radios.

When I say limiting it to 90Mbps eliminated the latency spike, that is true
for aggregate as well. So If I limited it to 50Mbps TX and 40Mbps RX, it
would not spike, if I limited TX to 50Mbps and left RX open, it would run
up to ~55-60Mbps RX and then I saw the latency spike. I did this to
eliminate 100mbps eth port as a bottleneck in testing.

I am not real familiar with the Buffer Bloat issue Fred mentioned, but I
can confirm I was seeing these results for 10 minutes constant using the
Mikrotik bandwidth test, TCP, 20 connections, whatever packet size is the
default (I think large).

I was testing using a CCR at one end and a RB450 at the tower end. The 450
CPU may have been a bottleneck but througput was still much higher than the
Rockets. I did ping the RB450 from a different interface and the ping times
were normal so the latency spike was not due to CPU load on the RB450.

Chris




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 The test setup they had at AF did not give me much hope that they are
 doing real world testing they had the RF outputs from the SM's hard wired
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 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote:

 Very interesting, Chris, thanks  If the latency is going up to 200-400
 ms. and there are no other buffered network elements in the path, then it
 would seem to me that the ePMP has a very serious case of bufferbloat.
 This is sometimes done because it makes the radio seem to perform better on
 artificial speed tests (as it did), to the severe detriment of real-world
 performance.  Nowadays, it's inexcusable.  Are there any settings to
 control buffer sizes?  Can someone find out from Cambium how much buffer is
 in there?

 On 3/10/2014 3:26 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 I spent some time tonight working with a couple ePMP radios on a test
 link and thought I'd share some results since I didn't get much feedback
 when I asked about this use case a couple weeks ago.

 Setup
 The link is a 7.5 mile link in a fairly noisy area, it has 2ft ubiquiti
 rocket dishes with RF Armor shield kits and formerly had normal Rocket M5
 radios. Mikrotik CCR on one end and RB450 on other end. Evaluated latency
 and throughput between the two routers using the RouterOS bandwidth test.
 Used 20mhz channel throughout test.

 On a noisy frequency where the link had been running, about -75 noise
 floor, the Ubnt link would pass around 40 mbps aggregate with low latency
 10ms. The ePMP would pass about 70mbps with stable 18ms latency, but
 performance was inconsistent when changing direction (tx/rx/both) - almost
 like the noise was little higher in one direction and affecting link
 stability when I tried to run traffic in that direction. It seemed a little
 less stable overall on that freq than the Ubnt radios. Throughout the
 testing at this freq MCS varied 9-13.

 On a cleaner frequency (DFS band) I was able to achieve solid MCS15. The
 ePMP was able to deliver 100mbps aggregate throughput consistently, which
 I found very impressive. The most I usually see from normal Rockets in this
 type of test is usually around 70mbps.

 The ePMP latency performance was a little unusual however. I noticed that
 when I saturated the link, latency jumped up to 200-400ms. If I restricted
 bandwidth to 90Mbps, I got nice consistent 18ms pings. When I run this type
 of test on ubnt I do not see a latency spike like this. Mikrotik radios
 running NV2 do increase at saturation, but only to around 100ms typically.
 So I would say ePMP performance is worse in this regard.

 I also noticed some inconsistent performance with regard to the ping
 times expected for the fixed/flexible scheduling in the ePMP. When I was
 first testing, I ran flexible mode and saw pings generally 6-10ms. In fixed
 mode, I saw 17-18 ms which I think is what's expected. That was several
 days ago... tonight I was seeing the 17-18ms even though I'm set to
 flexible - almost like it's stuck. I am able to push nearly full speed in
 both directions so it is definatley not in fixed mode.

 Hope this feedback is valuable for you all. I think these radios could be
 a very good option for low cost ptp radio, it would be nice if they could
 get the latency spike reduced.

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Re: [WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs

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All our customers are mostly static (powercode assigns static DHCP leases)
but they occasionally change if we swap equipment etc. But I'm thinking for
residential customers calling them dynamic would be more appropriate.


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Mark Spring m...@nktelco.net wrote:

 Seems to me you wouldn't want to run down the list and create rDNS in the
 blind that says static in it unless it is truly static.

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 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote:

 We have entries for all of our space that is like
 4-2-2-1.static.flhsi.com. And will insert records for a customer at
 their request for their static IP's.

 Never seen a website query for PTR before it would serve a page. But
 nothing surprises me these days.

 We specifically used the word Static in the PTR record because we found
 some mail providers would reject mail from them if it didn't include that
 word. And it was worse if it included anything like dynamic dyn. /YMMV

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 It helps to include the word static in the PTR record.  At least one
 RBL uses this as a litmus test for whether or not IPs are static vs.
 dynamic, and will add your addresses en masse to their dynamic address
 block lists.  That is, if your give static IP addresses.

 -Kristian

 On 03/05/2014 01:16 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 Is it customary to provide rDNS for all customer public IP addresses? We
 just had a complaint of one particular website running very slow, our
 customer contacted the website owner who said it was because we needed to
 fix our rDNS. The website acts like it must be doing a rDNS lookup and
 waiting for it to time out before serving a page.

 We've not ever had this configured for customer IPs before. Are we
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[WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs

[Chris Fabien]

Is it customary to provide rDNS for all customer public IP addresses? We
just had a complaint of one particular website running very slow, our
customer contacted the website owner who said it was because we needed to
fix our rDNS. The website acts like it must be doing a rDNS lookup and
waiting for it to time out before serving a page.

We've not ever had this configured for customer IPs before. Are we supposed
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[WISPA] Recommend Managed Switch

[Chris Fabien]

I am trying to set up a VLAN trunk between our office and tower over a
60ghz gigabit link. I want to have all the tower APs and backhauls plugged
in to a port at the tower and have them show up on a matching port in the
office, one VLAN per port.

I tried to do this with one of the new Mikrotik CRS but the configuration
is incredibly clunky and I can't get it working. They also seem to be
missing a few key features like STP.

I need a switch that has:
tag/untag traffic on access ports
run STP/RSTP on two trunk ports for a primary and backup wireless link
1 or preferably more SFP ports (gigabit link is fiber interface)
min 16 copper gige ports
outdoor temperature rated
prefer runs on DC power

Any suggestions? I've not done much with managed switches and VLANs before,
so no idea what is out there.

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Recommend Managed Switch

[Chris Fabien]

These all look like indoor switches to me, are they OK at -20 or -30 C?

Was hoping for outdoor rated and DC power, this box already has 24v and 48v
power.

My issue with the CRS is it only apparently supports STP on a bridge
interface which is CPU throughput limited. Also the switch functionality
seems about half finished currently.

 On Feb 5, 2014 5:01 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote:

 Turn routing off in pfsense? Think there is a switch app for it too

 Or Cisco off eBay or have the guys at linkteks get the microtik working
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 On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

 He's looking for a switch, not a router.

  *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS
 j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
  On 02/05/2014 12:55 PM, timothy steele wrote:

 Build your self a a PFsense box the GUI is very easy and how to's all
 over the pfsense forums
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 On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Harold Bledsoe hbledso...@gmail.comwrote:

 Here's another option too:


 http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SMC-EZ-Switch-SMCGS26C-Smart-switch-26-ports-managed-desktop-rack/3191553.aspx

 -Hal


 On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.comwrote:

  Not sure if it's outdoor temp rated, but for the price of an HP
 1810-24G v2 (around $250), you really can't go wrong. Very good feature
 sets, excellent prices.


 http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/networking/products/switches/HP_1810_Switch_Series/index.aspx#tab=TAB2

 Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
 :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::

 On 02/05/2014 10:49 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 I am trying to set up a VLAN trunk between our office and tower over a
 60ghz gigabit link. I want to have all the tower APs and backhauls plugged
 in to a port at the tower and have them show up on a matching port in the
 office, one VLAN per port.

 I tried to do this with one of the new Mikrotik CRS but the
 configuration is incredibly clunky and I can't get it working. They also
 seem to be missing a few key features like STP.

 I need a switch that has:
 tag/untag traffic on access ports
 run STP/RSTP on two trunk ports for a primary and backup wireless link
 1 or preferably more SFP ports (gigabit link is fiber interface)
 min 16 copper gige ports
 outdoor temperature rated
 prefer runs on DC power

 Any suggestions? I've not done much with managed switches and VLANs
 before, so no idea what is out there.

 Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Recommend Managed Switch

[Chris Fabien]

Well, if it's $1000 vs $200 i'd probably do a heater. $300-400 might get
the outdoor switch.
On Feb 5, 2014 5:08 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  How much are you looking to spend? direct DC switches are often very
 expensive, same for lower temp range ones. It may be cheaper to put a
 heater in an enclosure and run an indoor switch.

  *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS
 j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
   On 02/05/2014 01:05 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 These all look like indoor switches to me, are they OK at -20 or -30 C?

 Was hoping for outdoor rated and DC power, this box already has 24v and
 48v power.

 My issue with the CRS is it only apparently supports STP on a bridge
 interface which is CPU throughput limited. Also the switch functionality
 seems about half finished currently.

   On Feb 5, 2014 5:01 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Turn routing off in pfsense? Think there is a switch app for it too

  Or Cisco off eBay or have the guys at linkteks get the microtik working
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  On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.comwrote:

 He's looking for a switch, not a router.

  *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS
 j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
   On 02/05/2014 12:55 PM, timothy steele wrote:

 Build your self a a PFsense box the GUI is very easy and how to's all
 over the pfsense forums
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  On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Harold Bledsoe hbledso...@gmail.comwrote:

 Here's another option too:


 http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SMC-EZ-Switch-SMCGS26C-Smart-switch-26-ports-managed-desktop-rack/3191553.aspx

  -Hal


 On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.comwrote:

  Not sure if it's outdoor temp rated, but for the price of an HP
 1810-24G v2 (around $250), you really can't go wrong. Very good feature
 sets, excellent prices.


 http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/networking/products/switches/HP_1810_Switch_Series/index.aspx#tab=TAB2

 Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
 :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::

  On 02/05/2014 10:49 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 I am trying to set up a VLAN trunk between our office and tower over a
 60ghz gigabit link. I want to have all the tower APs and backhauls plugged
 in to a port at the tower and have them show up on a matching port in the
 office, one VLAN per port.

  I tried to do this with one of the new Mikrotik CRS but the
 configuration is incredibly clunky and I can't get it working. They also
 seem to be missing a few key features like STP.

  I need a switch that has:
 tag/untag traffic on access ports
 run STP/RSTP on two trunk ports for a primary and backup wireless link
 1 or preferably more SFP ports (gigabit link is fiber interface)
 min 16 copper gige ports
 outdoor temperature rated
 prefer runs on DC power

  Any suggestions? I've not done much with managed switches and VLANs
 before, so no idea what is out there.

  Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Wind Farms

[Chris Fabien]

We have two large farms in our area, 230 turbines between them and haven't
noticed any issues that we could blame on the turbines. They were built
recently so we had customers in the area before the farm.
On Jan 31, 2014 10:03 PM, Mark Spring m...@nktelco.net wrote:

 We have had a handful of customers inquire about the effects of a wind
 farm on their wireless signal. As it turns out, we have a wind farm in part
 of our wisp and there is a proposed farm in another portion of our wireless
 network. We haven't had any issues of note in the existing market, but it
 was not under our operation when the farm was launched, so perhaps there
 was a good amount of customer loss but we didn't see it. I see online some
 claims about actual interference but not many people believe in
 this...beyond physical obstruction anyways.

 Polling opinions from anybody that has any experience.

 Thanks,

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[WISPA] Greenpacket Ethernet Speed Setting

[Chris Fabien]

Does anyone know if or how I can force a Greenpacket OX-350i to run at
10/Full? We swapped a customer from UBNT to wimax on a long cable run and
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Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

[Chris Fabien]

Primus has a new single PE jacket shielded cable now available in pull box
and great price point.
On Jan 22, 2014 8:35 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Tough cable here

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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Jan 22, 2014 8:34 PM, Mark Spring m...@nktelco.net wrote:

 we use toughcable but have had good luck with shireen when it's not
 available, i hear the UBNT story a lot...missed that boat where I'm at
 though!

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   Just looking for what others are using for boxed cable shielded that
 simple or easy for customer installs. We use a certain cable now, buts on
 rolls, which is ideal for towers, but a pain in the ass for installs. I
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Re: [WISPA] Lanbowan Antennas Quality

[Chris Fabien]

Hi Pedro,
What I'm looking for is
Qty 60 2.4Ghz 24dbi Grid
Qty 40 2.4Ghz 19/20 dbi panel
Qty 30 2.4Ghz 60deg mid-gain sector HPOL or dual pol

Is this something you can help with?
Thanks
Chris



On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Pedro Ramirez wi...@itelite.net wrote:

  Itelite antennas are made in Europe, specifically in Poland since 2001.
 With a Distribution warehouse in California.

 Pedro Ramirez
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 8136 Byron Rd, Ste G
 Whittier, CA 90606


 On 07-Jan-14 7:54 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 Need some sectors, panels and grid antennas for an upcoming project. Got
 some attractive pricing from Lanbowan. Can anyone comment on
 performance/quality? This is a budget sensitive project so won't be using
 high end antennas, I'd be using laird or ITElite as other options. I feel
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[WISPA] Lanbowan Antennas Quality

[Chris Fabien]

Need some sectors, panels and grid antennas for an upcoming project. Got
some attractive pricing from Lanbowan. Can anyone comment on
performance/quality? This is a budget sensitive project so won't be using
high end antennas, I'd be using laird or ITElite as other options. I feel
like all the antennas I normally buy are made in China anyway, so it might
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[WISPA] Wanted: Canopy PMP100 2.4Ghz Equipment

[Chris Fabien]

We have several towers we need to switch off of legacy equipment, that
don't justify PMP450. I will eventually need about 10 APs and ~100 SMs of
PMP100 2.4Ghz. Need high gain antenna (reflector or grid) for the SMs. P9+
preferred, a mix with some P8 can work. Please email me offlist to let me
know what you have and asking price.

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

[Chris Fabien]

We offer two different sets of rate plans in different areas of our network
based on the equipment we have on those towers. We offer our standard
service everywhere and where we have overbuilt with 5Ghz APs we also offer
a 5G service which is faster speeds at the middle and higher tier prices.
So for $50 in some areas you can get 3/256 and others you get 5/1. We do
not clearly define this as geographic boundaries but more along the lines
of whether or not the customer has clear LOS to a tower with 5Ghz APs on
it. Overall it's been well received, only a little friction from people
angry that they can only get the slower speeds because of their location.

We have thought about trying to do different plans by area (mainly to
compete more on price with cable/DSL) and came to the conclusion that we
might do it via a promotion that is only run in one area, but not by adding
permanent cheaper service plans in town - that just didn't seem fair.




On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Granted that our model is way different then yours, we are a non-profit
 member owned, volunteer operated, coop, but we give everybody 2 up and 2
 down (now that we have an AirFiber backhaul) and are still scrambling to
 keep up with the members usage (400 members covering 600 square miles).
 And, they always want more.

 Charging $30 a month.  Of course we only have one paid employee.  The
 folks here in NM are happy to get that as their only alternative is dial-up
 or satellite.  When CenturyLink finally moves into a neighborhood we
 actually encourage new inquires to go with them as we still have tons of
 folks with no options other then us.

 It cost us about $30K every time we have to upgrade the backbone and back
 haul and APs, but luckily we have enough time between upgrades to bank the
 funds.

 I don't know how you guys can make a profit.

 Phil


 On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Matt Hoppes 
 mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote:

 It's cut down in confusion. Oh yeah. 5 meg is x in town a but y in town
 b.

 And we don't do the upto game. So if you want 5 and can only get 3 we
 won't install you unless you'll take 3. We don't charge for packages folks
 can't get.

 Likewise this keeps our network happy since most links are pretty clean.

 On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:48, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
 wrote:


 That is a good idea

 Sent from my wy too expensive android mobile vzw 4gish device.

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 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography
 Date: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 9:34 PM


 What we have done is offer the same packages across the board. If you
 can't get at least the package you want we don't install you.

 On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:11, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote:

  We are getting to the point in a lot of our markets that we need to
 offer different speed packages. Issue being some markets, being 900 or
 slightly sub-par infrastructure, we wouldn’t be able to promote these
 packages across the board. Was curious if others are offering packages to
 different areas that would not be possible in some? And if so, do you get
 any backlash from those who cannot get those packages? Is it appropriate to
 offer extended packages to users on one tower when another tower down the
 road wouldn’t be capable of these packages? Its bad but we just offer a
 residential rate, no matter if that customer can get 1 meg down via Canopy
 900 or close to 10 meg on a UBNT SM. I have caught a little heat in an area
 where we fired up 900 about 4 years ago to a market that had only
 satellite. Then we hooked up a tower in a small town 4 miles away with UBNT
 M2 and news spread like wild fire. We went from 40 900 subs to about a
 dozen, and a pile of radios I don’t want to deploy again.  Shame on me for
 not offering the extended packages at that time for those wanting more
 bandwidth.

 I also have the area outside my home town that Century Link offers what
 they claim is 12 meg service, but it never gets close. I am constantly
 adding more sectors in these areas, Im getting to the point where I am
 adding UBNT to offload Canopy, then adding more UBNT to offload the UBNT
 that was offloading the Canopy, it gets to be a vicious circle. I am
 already $20 per month more than CL, not sure if a lot of customers would
 stay if I were to charge them more for what they are getting now. Once
 again shame on me. The bosses think the prices should be the same across
 the board, but technically performances cannot be matched across the board,
 plus Im running ragged satisfying existing customers when I should be
 looking at new areas, and start the vicious circle all over again LOL.

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[WISPA] Need a SIP Trunk for outbound TODAY

[Chris Fabien]

We are having issues with our current VOIP provider with outbound calls
failing - I would like to add another outbound route to our switch so I can
determine if it's their problem. Can anyone recommend a VOIP provider I
where I can set up a trunk online or someone who can get me set up quickly.
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Re: [WISPA] Need a SIP Trunk for outbound TODAY

[Chris Fabien]

Thanks, I will set up a flowroute for testing. Probably good to have a
second outbound trunk anyway.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.comwrote:

 Those using flowroute for reselling voice to their customers, what are you
 doing to provision and manage individual subscribers? Flowroute looks like
 a wholesale service and not setup for white label reselling. You must have
 a softswitch setup on site for this?


 On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  I'm looking into flowroute right now after getting these emails this
 morning... there's some stuff going on between the FCC and our upstream
 (statewide monopoly) that needs to stop, otherwise they get to bypass CAF
 phase II requirements.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer :: spitwspots
 :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::
  On 12/03/2013 10:46 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

  We also use Flowroute and they’ve always been good.



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
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 I am a big fan of flowroute

 On Dec 3, 2013 2:36 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

  We are having issues with our current VOIP provider with outbound calls
 failing - I would like to add another outbound route to our switch so I can
 determine if it's their problem. Can anyone recommend a VOIP provider I
 where I can set up a trunk online or someone who can get me set up quickly.
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Re: [WISPA] Chase Mission Main St. grant

[Chris Fabien]

We've also applied and would appreciate votes as well (you can vote for
multiple businesses). We only need 65 more votes! It would be nice to see a
few WISPs get these grants.

https://www.missionmainstreetgrants.com/business/detail/80730

Thanks!
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On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 I had applied for a Chase Mission Main St. grant and am looking for votes.
 Once you overcome their tipping point (250 votes), your application moves
 on to review by a panel. I'd be looking to use the grant to build some
 pockets of FTTH and some public Wi-Fi in some downtown areas. Please vote
 for my application and check out my company on the various social media
 sites.

 https://www.missionmainstreetgrants.com/business/detail/99390

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/111943069741512605438/ (Waiting on custom URL)



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Re: [WISPA] Network enabled solar controllers

[Chris Fabien]

Morningstar MPPT controller + packetflux base II + packetflux morningstar
interface


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 What is everyone using?

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Re: [WISPA] Network enabled solar controllers

[Chris Fabien]

No we use the SunSaver MPPT line, cheaper one.


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Tristar MPPT? http://www.morningstarcorp.com/en/tristar%20mppt ?

 -Mike



 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 Morningstar MPPT controller + packetflux base II + packetflux morningstar
 interface


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 What is everyone using?

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Re: [WISPA] Network enabled solar controllers

[Chris Fabien]

300W currently, really need to increase to 400W.


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 How many panels you running?


 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 No we use the SunSaver MPPT line, cheaper one.


 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Tristar MPPT? http://www.morningstarcorp.com/en/tristar%20mppt ?

 -Mike



 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.comwrote:

 Morningstar MPPT controller + packetflux base II + packetflux
 morningstar interface


 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 What is everyone using?

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Re: [WISPA] Any TESSCO reps on here?

[Chris Fabien]

Contact me too TESSCO rep.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:07 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 If so, please contact me offlist.

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Re: [WISPA] Any TESSCO reps on here?

[Chris Fabien]

I have an account, have no idea who my rep is, last time I called in for a
quote on a special accessory, never heard back.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Looking for one or are you looking to hear from one subscribed to this
 list?

 If you make an account, you'll be given a rep.  They tend to rotate a
 little bit in my experience.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 Contact me too TESSCO rep.


 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:07 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 If so, please contact me offlist.

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[WISPA] Equipment for Fiber+Power to tower top

[Chris Fabien]

I am planning out a site where some of our radios have fiber interfaces and
the rest are cat5. If we are running fiber up the tower, I think it makes
sense to just put a switch and POE control at the top and run fiber up to
that as well.

My first thought is packetflux for POE control and a RB2011iLS-IN for the
cat5-fiber. But this grade of equipment makes me a bit nervous putting up
at 220ft on a tower. Is there better quality equipment I should be
considering? This will be a major site for us so $1000 for a hardened
switch or media converter would not be out of the question, if it's
justified.

Is it better in this approach to bring all the runs (via several fibers)
down to a router at the base of the tower? This site is all wireless fed so
we don't really need anything at the base other than power equipment,
except for the ability to plug in for troubleshooting. Or should I just run
power up top and put my router right up there too?

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[WISPA] 2.4ghz AP interfering with 2-way radio

[Chris Fabien]

We have a tower site where we agreed to allow a friend of the tower owner
to install a 2-way radio repeater. I believe it is using a frequency around
450 mhz. We installed their omni antenna on a 3ft stand off close to a UBNT
Nanobridge M2 radio which is pointing directly away from the omni - omni is
about 4ft behind the dish.

They are complaining about loud noise/interference when using the repeater
from a handheld. From a mobile(vehicle) radio it works fine. What's the
solution to fix this? Move the antennas further apart? Their radio supplier
is suggesting that their omni should be installed at top of tower above all
our equipment. We were reserving the use of the top mast mount for future
needs, and don't want to do this.
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Re: [WISPA] MDU wiring

[Chris Fabien]

Can you put switches every few floors, like every 3 or 5? Would cut down
the wiring distance and reduce to only needing 5 or 3 UPSes, racks, etc.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  Then I have to add a switch and ups on each floor… I was thinking of
 home running all to the top floor… no?

 ** **

 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
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 Switch on each floor, cat5e to each unit.  If you have the ability, wire
 each floor back to the telco room on the roof, otherwise you could
 'daisy-chain' each floor to the one above it back to the roof.  Second
 option has a lot more points of failure though.

 On 10/29/2013 09:05 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

 Given the following scenario:

  

 New MDU , 15 floors, telco room on top, telco closet on each floor with
 conduit to each Unit… what would be the cheapest way to wire this for Cat5
 Ethernet?

  

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Re: [WISPA] Proxim Gigalink 6451R

[Chris Fabien]

This is both ends right? Ill buy it. Contact offlist.
On Oct 23, 2013 10:02 AM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 I have a link of Proxim Gigalink that we just removed for a hospital
 client. They closed the remote clinic this was mounted on so it was no
 longer needed. Comes with power supplies, documentation, power supplies,
 and new power connectors. It has fiber interface and 1 Gbps full duplex
 throughput.  1' integrated antennas. Asking $1200 for this. Buy it here and
 I will donate $200 to WISPA.

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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Questioin

[Chris Fabien]

We stay at 25-30 max typically.


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

 We have up to 40, although more may be done, just do not have any
 locations going above this range at this time.


 On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:04 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:

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 How many clients are you associating to a Rocket M2?
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[WISPA] Towercoverage.com down?

[Chris Fabien]

Our coverage map has not been working all day, it comes up Service
Unavailable We had two leads email saying it was broken. It looks like
their website is down also... anyone else seeing this or have any knowledge
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Re: [WISPA] Shielded Cable for Installation

[Chris Fabien]

Been very happy with Vertical and Primus cable, have some vertical 4+ years
and still looks fine, just slightly faded.
I will say that the replacement tough cable we got from UBNT on RMA appears
to be holding up OK. But I'm not taking a chance with them agian.


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 If you have the green cable make sure you DEMAND an RMA.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:17 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote:

   Great. I just kind of put it out of my mind after the few issues we
 had, then reading about lawsuits and such

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 If you were using level 1 or level 2 toughcable, that's an old,
 discontinued product and is completely different than the pro or
 carrier versions.


 On 9/17/2013 1:23 PM, heith petersen wrote:

  I have to catch up on this stuff. We have been cussing the tough cable
 for months but now the newer stuff is a go? Don’t know if I could sell our
 partner on that. He cringes every time a piece of UBNT leaves the office
 for an install out in the field

  *From:* Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:50 AM
 *To:* dco...@infowest.com ; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Shielded Cable for Installation

  Ditto on UBNT Cable... new cable is dong well (PRO). Carrier is very
 good and we are STILL replacing some older cable. An issue with the Carrier
 is in using UBNT connectors is hard to do... we criomp down on a 1/4
 second shield as the cable is too thick at the outer jacket.


 On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.comwrote:

 I'll have to agree with Josh.  We like the Pro for residential
 installs.   Nice box / spool, reasonable diameter and flexibility.  The box
 is a bit heavy - a 500' box might be easier for installers to work with.
 The Carrier version is overkill with two shields.  We like shireen as well,
 but like the UBNT more.

 In no way does it resemble the old toughcable that turned into green
 gooey flakes after being in the sun  a few days.


 On 9/17/2013 10:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 I've been using the (new) ToughCable.  The shielding is great and the
 plastic seems to actually work!  The box, believe it or not, is actually a
 box now!!!


 Josh Luthman
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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   Probably beating a dead horse here. We are definitely looking at
 using more or all shielded cable at residential installs. Currently we are
 hooked on the tower cable that we use, but was curious as to what others
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Re: [WISPA] Help identifying this shackle

[Chris Fabien]

It's not supposed to be curved, it has bent under load. It's not the right
part for the application. You could use an equalizer plate or since you
already have an anchor with space for 3 guy wires, just use a short piece
of guy wire to connect each turnbuckle to the anchor.


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

  Not sure if the block should be curved like that.  I would look at
 getting an equalizer plate if possible.  If this is a rohn, check
 http://www.3starinc.com/rohn_tower_guy_and_anchor.html


 On 09/16/2013 01:32 PM, LaRoy McCann wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

[Chris Fabien]

We have 3 towers with ubnt 900, doing ok offering up to 3meg plans, jitter
is pretty poor though. Interference has been an occasional issue. We do get
what I consider good foliage penetration up to 1-2 miles with the dual pol
yagi as cpe. Better penetration than wimax 3.65.

The wimax we can do higher speeds and has been more reliable for customers
who are nearLOS. This is using pmp320 AP on a Dual pol omni. Trees screw
with the wimax terribly in wind/rain though.

Pmp100 900mhz just seems like too little capacity to meet today's demands.
On Aug 22, 2013 12:51 PM, TJ Trout t...@fdisturlock.com wrote:

 Ubnt 900 is a joke
 On Aug 22, 2013 7:43 AM, Coenraad Loubser coenr...@wish.org.za wrote:

 Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's not even an April fools joke.
 http://www.google.com/loon/

 Maybe if you can get hold of a human at Google you could interest them in
 running a trial with you...


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 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Well the one I remember is Canopy and Ubnt on the same tower, both
 900.  The Canopy would rx more than enough to work while Ubnt wouldn't
 hear the AP at all.  Moving around the trees (similar distance from
 the tower) the signal would appear strong.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 wrote:
  Almost every time someone has detailed their installations to me,
 there just
  isn't enough signal to do anything. They're getting a -76 and
 wondering why
  it doesn't work. Increase that another 15 dB and try again. The Canopy
 will
  work a little better because it requires less signal, but it also has
  nowhere near the same throughput, so they're really apples and oranges.
 
 
 
 
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
  
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM
 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
 
  Ubnt 900 apparently has extremely poor nlos for 900 MHz.  I've heard
  this a handful of people but haven't tried it myself.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Mike Hammett 
 wispawirel...@ics-il.net
  wrote:
  How is it junk? IIRC, everyone I've asked that claimed a given 900 MHz
  system was junk had a poor RF environment.
 
 
 
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  http://www.ics-il.com
 
  
  From: Erik Anderson erik.ander...@hocking.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:49:55 AM
 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
 
  98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their
  other
  products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900 is
 better.
  Out limited experience with whitespace has been good. All of these
  technologies have very low bandwidth.
 
  On 8/22/2013 12:04 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
 
  What are you guys deploying lately in heavily wooded areas? We've used
  both
  Cambium pmp320 Wimax and UBNT M900, with mixed results on both. We
 just
  put
  up a 130ft tower in a heavily wooded river valley area, leaning
 towards
  the
  UBNT solution but hate putting money into something I'm not really
  satisfied
  with.
 
 
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[Chris Fabien]

What are you guys deploying lately in heavily wooded areas? We've used both
Cambium pmp320 Wimax and UBNT M900, with mixed results on both. We just put
up a 130ft tower in a heavily wooded river valley area, leaning towards the
UBNT solution but hate putting money into something I'm not really
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Taxes, Fees, Insanity

[Chris Fabien]

Our $25 phone service ends up being between $29 and $33 depending on what
county the customer is in Sounds like your taxes are higher there.


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Accidentally hit send.  There is more!  We also have:

 *Municipal Telecommunications License Tax (MTLT) - *3.5% ...this is the
 tricky one.  It is never charged on a county level and is determined by the
 zip+4 of the municipality.  It appears that most charge it but some don't
 and unincorporated areas never do.
 http://tax.utah.gov/utah-taxes/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=177#telecom
 http://tax.utah.gov/salestax/rate/13q3other.pdf

 So we are looking at like 25-30% tax?? Is this correct?


 On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am attempting to figure out all of the taxes for VoiP and the main
 thing that has me confused is the Universal Service Fund.  It seems that my
 state (Utah) has a USF of 0.45% 
 http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf


 Then it also seems like the Feds want 15.1%??  That is huge!
 http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/contribution-factor-quarterly-filings-universal-service-fund-usf-management-support

 Then there is sales and use tax of
 *State Sales  Use -* 4.7%
 *Municipality Sales  Use - *varies - see
 http://tax.utah.gov/salestax/rate/13q3combined.pdf

 Then we have E911:

 *E911 State -* .08
 *E911 County -* .61
 *Poison Control -* .07
 *---*
 *Total for E911 -* .76

 Then, since October 2011 we are also liable for the *Telecommunications
 Relay Fund* - .06
  http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-11-150A1.pdf

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Taxes, Fees, Insanity

[Chris Fabien]

That looks about right, it varies by state/locality of course. We collect
Federal USF, State use tax, state and county E911. The USF you get to
pocket until your required contributions are $10k/year - under that you are
considered de minimus and just have to file the annual form.

When we set up our billing the Telecom Relay Fund passed under our radar so
now we're just paying for that out of pocket. I'm not sure if you are
allowed to collect that specifically from your customers as well.


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am attempting to figure out all of the taxes for VoiP and the main thing
 that has me confused is the Universal Service Fund.  It seems that my state
 (Utah) has a USF of 0.45% 
 http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf


 Then it also seems like the Feds want 15.1%??  That is huge!
 http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/contribution-factor-quarterly-filings-universal-service-fund-usf-management-support

 Then there is sales and use tax of
 *State Sales  Use -* 4.7%
 *Municipality Sales  Use - *varies - see
 http://tax.utah.gov/salestax/rate/13q3combined.pdf

 Then we have E911:

 *E911 State -* .08
 *E911 County -* .61
 *Poison Control -* .07
 *---*
 *Total for E911 -* .76

 Then, since October 2011 we are also liable for the *Telecommunications
 Relay Fund* - .06
  http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-11-150A1.pdf

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Re: [WISPA] shielded rj45 ends

[Chris Fabien]

For the past few years we had used the EZ-RJ45 shielded ends, which I liked
myself due to ease of seeing the wire colors (partially colorblind). We
hired some techs last year they had problems with bad crimps using them,
also had a bad pair of the matching crimpers that was not crimping pins
78, that caused a weeks worth of bad installs. Decided the cost of the EZ
ends was not worth it and and tried a few others, we have now settled on
the ubiquiti toughcable ends although I won't touch the toughcable after
getting burned on that product.


On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 AM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote:

   I was curious what shielded ends members are using. I typically use the
 cable that Cayman wireless sells, definitely not tough cable. I prefer the
 UBNT tough ends as I have no issues with them, however some of my techs
 dread them. I have purchased some other ends in the past but at a high
 premium. Anyways just looking for some ideas as I am getting out voted on
 the tough ends.

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide

[Chris Fabien]

Thanks for the discussion guys, I'll play around with my bench setup this
evening and see if I can get it working like I want.


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com
 wrote:

 That is how all ospf costs default based on ether link speed.  In reality
 it is a giant math problem, you don't want to assign costs based on the
 defaults if you don't have a wired network.

 You should actually set costs higher and not use single digits so you have
 wiggle room.  You also want to try and eliminate the static routes or
 atleast set their metric so high that they are last resort.

 Redistributed routes are important as well.  It is a balancing act.


 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone



  Original message 
 From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net
 Date: 07/20/2013 7:59 PM (GMT-07:00)
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide


 I know that is how Cisco figures default values, but it is not always the
 best.  I may have a 10M wire link and a 54M wireless link.  The average
 data flow is 5M, so want the 10M wire to be the primary because it is more
 reliable.  I would give it a lower cost than the faster wireless link.

 If you have a wireless link that you know suffers from temperature
 inversion problems every morning and one that doesn't, but is slower, you
 may want the slower, more reliable link to have the lower cost so that your
 reliability stays high, but if that link goes down, you still have a link
 to use.

 As with most things in this business, there are general guidelines, but
 you also have to know your network and make informed decisions, not just
 follow some rule of thumb.



 On 7/20/2013 8:06 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

 Cost should be set based on the speed of the link.  So, if you have a 1
 Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1.  If
 you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3.
  100 Mbps link?  Cost = 10.  So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps
 so cost = 1000 / Speed.


 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Bob iPhone Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.comwrote:

 Scott,

  Can you help remotely?

  ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist
 for our group?


  On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:

  I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF.  If you need more
 help, let me know.
 I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed,
 setting up routers correctly, etc.
 If is is easy, no charge.  If is going to take some time/effort, I
 charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum.  Let me know
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[WISPA] OSPF Tutorial/Guide

[Chris Fabien]

I need to get OSPF running on the network linking our 4 core towers - had a
heat related failure on a mikrotik radio cause an outage this week. We have
enough links that we could set this up for redundancy but only have static
routing in place, so I had to manually route around the down link.

I have a bench setup running based on the Mikrotik Wiki example, it's
running and working, but I'm stuck on the part where I assign
cost/distance/priority or whatever the term is to make it decide one link
over another. I'm not really grasping how that works.

Any suggestions for a tutorial or documentation which explains that, or if
it's simple, maybe just tell me what I need to do?

I want to be able to assign priority to the links so that it won't always
take the least # of hops path, we have a redundant link between two main
towers which is an old nanobridge link and want to reserve it as the backup
link.

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Router/Software

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Does unifi handle the portal/billing or is it just the wifi ap side of it?
It does seem like a well regarded system.

I found wireless orbit last night, looks like a nice solution for the
radius/billing side of it, coupled with a tik hotspot router.

We do have a vmware box in our NOC that we could use to host unifi
controller or a radius solution. I was trying to avoid that because our
guaranteed income from this project is not much and servers mean
maintenance/upkeep to me.
On Jul 11, 2013 12:42 AM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote:

 I would second recommendations for UniFi APs.  Along with a Mikrotik box
 (I personally like the $60 RB750GL for small deployments) to manage DHCP
 lease assignment, do hotspot stuff, and manage the VPN tunnel back to
 headquarters.  That is, UniFi requires the java controller to sit on the
 same local network as the APs, so a work-around is to have the Mikrotik
 tunnel a VPN to your cloud server (or whatever) where the UniFi controller
 lives.  You can also run your own hotspot server, and use some example PHP
 code provided by UBNT to integrate into existing infrastructure.

 UniFi runs just fine on $80 Picostation M2's, if you flash them with that
 airos2unifi.bin binary floating around UBNT support forum.

 If it's critical to support 'any' APs, maybe look into flashing those APs
 with OpenWRT, and then use a Mikrotik for the hotspot and lease assignment,
 coupled with a RADIUS server somewhere in the cloud.  This will likely send
 you down the the path of building your own system, as Scott describes, and
 I agree about being wary of the scope of such a task, from being in the
 midst of doing this myself.

 On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
  wrote:

 Make your own web pages to collect money however you see fit, use
 Mikrotik hotspot to handle the magic stuff, use whatever radios you want.
  Rolling your own system takes a respectable amount of work and skill but
 there is nothing like it once done because you control every aspect of it -
 how it looks, how it sends emails to your staff or customers and whats in
 those emails, how it takes the money, options for service lengths - just
 every aspect is completely customizable.

 If thats beyond the scope of what you are able to accomplish, I'm sure
 there are lots of other good suggestions people are offering as well.  Just
 letting you know how we do it and it works super fantastic for a long time
 now.  Programming skills required...

 Good luck

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 I need suggestion for a hotspot system for a campground. Requirements:

 Need to provide two levels of service
 Basic Free Service - lower speed, limited MB per day
 Paid Service - faster speed, unlimited use, billed as daily, 3 days or
 monthly service

 Paid service can be purchased via credit card in online portal, would be
 easiest if it could collect payment to our Propay merchant account, paypal
 is a less desirable option, but we do have a paypal acct as well.

 Compatible with any wifi APs, this year we will connect to current wifi
 APs in the park, probably overhaul that next season. Capable of handling
 100-200 users, maybe 50megs traffic max.

 I would prefer an all in one box type system over a home
 made/server/open source solution. Needs to be proven reliable product and
 just work. Budget is ideally 200-300 for hardware and some modest monthly
 cost is OK if necessary.

 So, any suggestions? Thanks!


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[WISPA] Hotspot Router/Software

[Chris Fabien]

I need suggestion for a hotspot system for a campground. Requirements:

Need to provide two levels of service
Basic Free Service - lower speed, limited MB per day
Paid Service - faster speed, unlimited use, billed as daily, 3 days or
monthly service

Paid service can be purchased via credit card in online portal, would be
easiest if it could collect payment to our Propay merchant account, paypal
is a less desirable option, but we do have a paypal acct as well.

Compatible with any wifi APs, this year we will connect to current wifi APs
in the park, probably overhaul that next season. Capable of handling
100-200 users, maybe 50megs traffic max.

I would prefer an all in one box type system over a home made/server/open
source solution. Needs to be proven reliable product and just work.
Budget is ideally 200-300 for hardware and some modest monthly cost is OK
if necessary.

So, any suggestions? Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] # of subs per ap

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On 3.65 there's not much more to add with ubnt gear if he's already got 2
sectors. At that point I'd probably add some 5ghz and try to move off the
closest LOS customers.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

 Agreed, 30 max, use shields, add more radios.

 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Andy Trimmell 
 atrimm...@precisionds.comwrote:

 I wouldn't exceed 30 either with each AP.

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 With 5x5 and 5x3 sustained ~30.

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 ~Jerry

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 *Subject:* [WISPA] # of subs per ap

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 I have put up 2 UBNT 3.65 ap on a tower with a 60 mg fiber backhaul. I
 have set the Aps to 10 MHZ Channel and was going to offer a 5x5 or a 5x3.
 how many subs should I expect to be able to put on each ap

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Re: [WISPA] # of subs per ap

[Chris Fabien]

We do 30 max on 10mhz ubnt APs, but typically mix of 1 to 5meg plans.


On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Terry White twh...@ueci.coop wrote:

 I have put up 2 UBNT 3.65 ap on a tower with a 60 mg fiber backhaul. I
 have set the Aps to 10 MHZ Channel and was going to offer a 5x5 or a 5x3.
 how many subs should I expect to be able to put on each ap

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Re: [WISPA] tips for ptp link

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Update to latest firmware, 5.5.4. If you want it to be a transparent bridge
link, enable WDS on both sides.
At that distance, what antennas are you using? If you are using the 30db
rocket dishes you will have to turn down the TX power on both radios, ubnt
radios like signal around -50 at strongest.
If it's a noisy area, it would be advisable to run airview on both sides to
see what channels are cleanest. Actually that is always advisable.
At that distance, consider using the DFS frequencies which are lower power
but generally less noisy. New rockets should come with this enabled, you
have to get a company-specific unlock code from ubiquiti to unlock it on
older radios.



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 is only ½ mile. Anything I should be on the look out for. Tips/tricks? ***
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