[WISPA] WISP in Placerville / Carson, CA?

[Drew Lentz]

Any of you guys out in Placerville / Carson California? I have a customer
with an immediate need. get me off-list d...@drewlentz.com thx :)

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Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

[Drew Lentz]

So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some
point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some pretty
good arguments on each. This article made me think about it all a little
differently:

http://www.netcompetition.org/congress/the-multi-billion-dollar-impact-of-fcc-title-ii-broadband-for-google-entire-internet-ecosystem

To Fred's point, the article mentions:
"That’s because of the way the law and the forbearance provision are
written; they apparently do not allow for any immaculate ruling where the
FCC somehow rules the service and carrier of Internet traffic are
regulated, but not the Internet traffic itself that is precisely what
defines the service and carrier."

Anyhow, not trying to beat a dead horse, but this got me questioning things
:) Have a great weekend y'all!

-drew

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Drew Lentz  wrote:

> So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some
> point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some pretty
> good arguments on each. This article made me think about it all a little
> differently:
>
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Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

[Drew Lentz]

So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some
point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some pretty
good arguments on each. This article made me think about it all a little
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[WISPA] Results from the Title II survey

[Drew Lentz]

Survey Says:

Total of 20 votes.
2 say it's a good thing.
18 say it's a bad thing.

Figured as much, but just wanted to see. Totally appreciate your input!
Thanks everyone and have a great weekend!
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[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

[Drew Lentz]

I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9

I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support and
those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying to get a
good feel for who would and wouldn't like it (mostly it seems carriers love
it, web services hate it.) I have a feeling WISPs might be on the "hate it"
side, but I'm interested to find out. Thanks for your answer and have a
fantastic day!

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Re: [WISPA] [WUG] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Drew Lentz]

Alvarion, Proxim, PureWave, Radwin, Redline, all have great case studies. 

-drew

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On Jan 25, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Jenkins  wrote:

> Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi products, is anyone 
> successfully deploying something else to service both residential and 
> business customers?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Drew Lentz]

Can I ask that you all please move this over to the UBNT list?

Thanks,

-d

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> I have this on my wall.  Never used it.  Nice to have.
> On Oct 17, 2012 11:32 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>>  This is an older document.. but it should help 
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, Fl 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>
>> On 10/17/2012 10:59 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
>>
>> OK, I asked about the PS2 years back and I believe I was told 30v for
>> that.
>>
>>  Greg
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>>
>>>  II was told NO!! <27VDC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>>
>>> General Manager
>>>
>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
>>> the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
>>> the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>>> wrote:
>>> > It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
>>> > I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the
>>> parallel
>>> > segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
>>> > installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this
>>> will
>>> > work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the
>>> battery
>>> > cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop
>>> from
>>> > 12v will be negligible
>>> >
>>> > So this is how it would be:
>>> > 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v
>>> batteries
>>> > connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the
>>> parallel
>>> > segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest
>>> of the
>>> > load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>>> >
>>> > What do you think?
>>> >
>>> > - - -
>>> > Olufemi Adalemo
>>> > M: +234-803-5610040
>>> > M: +234-809-8610040
>>> > f...@adalemo.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann <
>>> kh...@fire2wire.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up
>>> then
>>> >> there was probably a short somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Kristian
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
>>> >> I will check though they swear that they did
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> - - -
>>> >> Olufemi Adalemo
>>> >> M: +234-803-5610040
>>> >> M: +234-809-8610040
>>> >> f...@adalemo.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
>>> >>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
>>> discharging.
>>> >>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected
>>> wrong, not
>>> >>> that the voltage was too high.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Josh Luthman
>>> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> >>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> >>> Suite 1337
>>> >>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  What's your typical config for the NSM5?
>>>  Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
>>>  charger connected just battery) and it fried good
>>> 
>>>  - - -
>>>  Olufemi Adalemo
>>>  M: +234-803-5610040
>>>  M: +234-809-8610040
>>>  f...@adalemo.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann <
>>> kh...@fire2wire.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at
>>> 27.6V.
>>> > The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that
>>> won't power
>>> > on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into
>>> overvoltage
>>> > protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
>>> >
>>> > -Kristian
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need
>>> charged,
>>> > it's usually 27v.
>>> >
>>> > I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
>>> > reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 13

Re: [WISPA] This isn't UBNT support.

[Drew Lentz]

I am totally aware of that, I just don't think the WISPA General List is
the place for it. :)

-drew

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> UBNT also is founded upon crowd-sourced sales and support. ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Drew Lentz" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:36:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] This isn't UBNT support.
>
>
>
> looks left  then looks right ... ::shrugs::
>
>
> Well ok then.
>
>
> -d
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Chuck Hogg < ch...@shelbybb.com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
> They already have the list...
>
>
> ubnt_us...@wispa.org
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Drew Lentz < d...@drewlentz.com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
> At the risk of starting a flame war, I think UBNT needs its own list for
> WISPA. I love the conversation in here, but it seems that more and more
> this is turning into UBNT crowd-sourced support. I may be alone on this,
> but seriously.
>
>
> /just sayin
>
>
> -drew
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo < adal...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Need help,
> I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply.
> Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it
> requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a
> DC to DC converter?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
>
> - - -
> Olufemi Adalemo
>
> M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040
> f...@adalemo.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] This isn't UBNT support.

[Drew Lentz]

looks left  then looks right ... ::shrugs::

Well ok then. 

-d

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> They already have the list...
> 
> ubnt_us...@wispa.org
> 
> Regards,
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Drew Lentz  wrote:
>> At the risk of starting a flame war, I think UBNT needs its own list for 
>> WISPA. I love the conversation in here, but it seems that more and more this 
>> is turning into UBNT crowd-sourced support. I may be alone on this, but 
>> seriously. 
>> 
>> /just sayin
>> 
>> -drew 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Need help,
>>> I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply. 
>>> Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it 
>>> requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a 
>>> DC to DC converter?
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> - - -
>>> Olufemi Adalemo
>>> M: +234-803-5610040
>>> M: +234-809-8610040
>>> f...@adalemo.com
>>> 
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[WISPA] This isn't UBNT support.

[Drew Lentz]

At the risk of starting a flame war, I think UBNT needs its own list for WISPA. 
I love the conversation in here, but it seems that more and more this is 
turning into UBNT crowd-sourced support. I may be alone on this, but seriously. 

/just sayin

-drew 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo  wrote:

> Need help,
> I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply. 
> Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it requires 
> a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a DC to DC 
> converter?
> 
> Best regards,
> - - -
> Olufemi Adalemo
> M: +234-803-5610040
> M: +234-809-8610040
> f...@adalemo.com
> 
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[WISPA] Broadband Breakfast recap! Go Forbes! :)

[Drew Lentz]

http://broadbandbreakfast.com/2011/10/broadband-infrastructure-to-rural-area
s-is-on-the-move-at-the-broadband-breakfast-club/




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[WISPA] Great to see everyone!!

[Drew Lentz]

Just wanted to send a hello out and say how great it was to hang out with
you all at WISPAPALOOZA. There was some great information there and I can't
wait til the next one J The sessions I was a part of were tremendous and
there was some great conversation around all the topics. We need more of
this, it was fantastic!!!

 

-drew




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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Announcements] Cambium Networks CEO Phil Bolt to Keynote at WISPAPALOOZA Awards Dinner

[Drew Lentz]

This is gonna be great! I saw a sneak peek of their products last week,
y'all are gonna love it!

 

-drew

 

From: announcements-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:announcements-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:28 PM
To: announceme...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA Announcements] Cambium Networks CEO Phil Bolt to Keynote at
WISPAPALOOZA Awards Dinner

 

Cambium Networks CEO Phil Bolt to Keynote at WISPAPALOOZA Awards Dinner

Sep. 20, 2011 - Phil Bolt, CEO of newly formed Cambium Networks, will share
his vision of growth for Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISP) on Oct
12 at the WISPAPALOOZA

conference Oct 10-12 in Las Vegas. "Wireless ISPs provide broadband
connectivity that is vitally important to business and residential customers
around the world," says Mr. Bolt. "Cambium Networks equips WISPs with the
technology that makes them the best available supplier of connectivity for
their target customers. As demand for broadband continues to grow, WISPs,
Cambium Networks and our partners are uniquely positioned to grow by
offering expanded service offerings and enabling new applications."

Wireless ISPs provide broadband connectivity for business and residential
customers. WISPs also provide video surveillance applications for business
and government, communications infrastructure for enterprises, campus wide
connectivity for business and education facilities along with residential
broadband access.

"Cambium Networks is a significant contributor to the WISP industry," says
Rick Harnish, Executive Director of WISPA. "The Canopy and Orthogon product
lines are cornerstones to the creation of the WISP industry. The investment
in creating Cambium Networks speaks to the strength of the future of
wireless broadband technology and provides a renewed focus on the growth of
this industry. The WISPAPALOOZA conference offers a highly interactive forum
for WISPA members to learn about new opportunities and approaches to become
better, efficient and more successful."

Cambium Networks' award winning Orthogon point-to-point (PTP) radio
solutions operate in licensed, unlicensed and defined use frequency bands.
With 99.999% availability, these ruggedized solutions have an impeccable
track record for delivering reliable connectivity even in the most
challenging RF environments. The flexible Canopy point-to-multipoint (PMP)
access network solutions operate in the licensed, unlicensed and federal
frequency bands, providing reliable, secure, cost effective connectivity.
With more than 3 million modules deployed in networks around the world, PMP
access network solutions are proven in residential access, leased line
replacement, video surveillance and smart grid infrastructure applications.

In his presentation, Mr. Bolt, with decades of experience in developing high
performance technology, will share his views on the real world connectivity
opportunities for WISPs. He will also share how the key assets of Cambium
Networks are focused on growth opportunities for service providers, partners
and end customers.

 

# # #

 

About Cambium Networks
Cambium Networks provides professional grade fixed broadband and microwave
solutions for network operators around the world. Deployed in thousands of
networks in 120 countries, our industry leading technology provides
reliable, secure, cost effective connectivity that works immediately and
over time. Our ecosystem of partners, development engineers, and support
teams work together to design and deliver innovative solutions that provide
data, voice and video connectivity when and where it is needed.

About WISPA  

WISPA, a 501c6 trade association for the fixed wireless broadband industry
works to promote the development, advancement and unification of the
wireless Internet service provider industry.  WISPAPALOOZA is a registered
trademark of WISPA.

Forward-Looking Statements
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of applicable federal securities laws. These statements are made pursuant to
the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act
of 1995 and generally include word such as "believes," "expects," "intends,"
"anticipates," "estimates" and similar expressions. We can give no assurance
that any future results or events discussed in these statements will be
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Re: [WISPA] Motorola Canopy and Orthogon SOLD!

[Drew Lentz]

Hey, they make cable modems and pagers too!

 

:-P

 

-d

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola Canopy and Orthogon SOLD!

 

On 23 August 2011 13:40, Drew Lentz  wrote:

http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20110823/INFRASTRUCTURE/110829988/-1/?utm
_source=rss
<http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20110823/INFRASTRUCTURE/110829988/-1/?ut
m_source=rss&utm_medium=item&utm_campaign=rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=
twitterfeed>
&utm_medium=item&utm_campaign=rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed


So they've sold off their smartphone division, and their fixed wireless
products, now what? Just an uber walkie talkie vendor?




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[WISPA] Motorola Canopy and Orthogon SOLD!

[Drew Lentz]

http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20110823/INFRASTRUCTURE/110829988/-1/?utm
_source=rss

&utm_medium=item&utm_campaign=rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

The rumors have been around for so many months, but it's finally done. Phil
Bolt to run the business. 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?

[Drew Lentz]

Brian,

No worries. I don't work for CN at all. I merely peek in through the windows 
and see what's happening here and there across our country. I see exactly what 
you are talking about: Great with ArcView, not so much with propagation 
modeling software. It's like when the public safety departments try to get the 
radio guys to fix the computers :)

-drew

On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

> Drew,
> That statement was meant to state that many states (non 
> connected nation contracts mostly) have the bulk of their experience with GIS 
> and data companies, not people who have worked in the broadband industry. 
> When it comes to reviewing data and information collected by some GIS 
> companies, they typically do not have a good understanding of the value of 
> various data when looking at the broadband picture in a state. This is not to 
> say that they lack the skills to map what they have been given and compile it 
> in to the necessary formats for the NTIA, but what they do lack is the 
> ability to think outside the box, to work with carriers in a way to minimize 
> the carriers level of work they need to do to supply good data to the mapping 
> effort. I have seen many contractors that just can’t deal with anything 
> outside their form and checkbox system (again, this are not connected nation 
> contracted states).
>  
> If Connected Nation takes my comments personally please let me state that 
> this is not an attack on any of their work. These are my observations of 
> working with other states in conjunction with WISP’s outside the states that 
> have a contract with Connected Nation. My statement was based on direct 
> interaction with the state contracts and the WISP’s. In one case it took a 
> direct intervention from the NTIA to get it worked out with said state.
>  
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> (607) 643-4055 Office
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Drew Lentz
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:06 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
>  
> I disagree with this:
> Most of these mapping contractors are people who do not have any broadband 
> experience.
>  
> Depending on the group that gets assigned the funding for the mapping 
> projects (and that is done per state), some of these guys are highly 
> proficient in doing the data collection. They have decades of experience and 
> most definitely know what they are doing. 
>  
> The only reason I mention this is because part of their toolset does include 
> pretty sophisticated software, that does in fact have a higher price tag than 
> RM. I love RM, always have, and have used it for years. But crunching 
> together WiMax, LTE, Wi-Fi, etc into it simultaneously can be kind of a 
> hassle; and exporting it and combining it with data from thousands of 
> locations, just as difficult.
>  
> One process that I am familiar with when it comes to this (at least here in 
> TX and what one of the WISPs I built went through) went like this:
>  
> 1. Contacted by the mapping agency
> 2. The mapping agency asked for coverage maps, if they were available.
> 3. Info on tx and rx gear was obtained for signal modeling.
> 4. test points were assigned.
> 5. Test points were used to gather real-world signal levels.
> 6. Maps were created based on tx and rx gear and real-world signal levels.
> 7. each one of those newly found maps were sent upstream to state HQ where 
> they were combined with all the other state maps to create a pretty thorough 
> database / map
>  
> -d
>  
> On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> 
> 
> Most of these mapping contractors are people who do not have any broadband 
> experience.
>  
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Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?

[Drew Lentz]

I disagree with this:
Most of these mapping contractors are people who do not have any broadband 
experience.

Depending on the group that gets assigned the funding for the mapping projects 
(and that is done per state), some of these guys are highly proficient in doing 
the data collection. They have decades of experience and most definitely know 
what they are doing. 

The only reason I mention this is because part of their toolset does include 
pretty sophisticated software, that does in fact have a higher price tag than 
RM. I love RM, always have, and have used it for years. But crunching together 
WiMax, LTE, Wi-Fi, etc into it simultaneously can be kind of a hassle; and 
exporting it and combining it with data from thousands of locations, just as 
difficult.

One process that I am familiar with when it comes to this (at least here in TX 
and what one of the WISPs I built went through) went like this:

1. Contacted by the mapping agency
2. The mapping agency asked for coverage maps, if they were available.
3. Info on tx and rx gear was obtained for signal modeling.
4. test points were assigned.
5. Test points were used to gather real-world signal levels.
6. Maps were created based on tx and rx gear and real-world signal levels.
7. each one of those newly found maps were sent upstream to state HQ where they 
were combined with all the other state maps to create a pretty thorough 
database / map

-d

On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Brian Webster wrote:

> Most of these mapping contractors are people who do not have any broadband 
> experience.




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Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?

[Drew Lentz]

I suppose I can see the point from your end, but looking at a larger picture of 
it, having that information can only help out in the long run, I believe. Just 
as SpectrumBridge is building the opt-in database for unlicensed carriers, I 
think this is where it is all headed. With the 3650 licenses and TVWS, this 
frequency coordination can only set to improve the spectrum usage across the 
US. Besides, in my mind this gives you the ability to identify interference and 
work around it, if everyone participates. The more transparent everyone is, the 
easier it is to work around what you are aware of. If everyone holds on to 
every detail of information, we get this standoff that begins to take place 
that eventually effects everyone.

I'm not saying I am for or against it, I just like to understand every angle of 
it that I can.

-d

On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Scott Reed wrote:

> They don't need the how we do it part.  Model numbers of equipment, 
> etc., just are not necessary for what they are trying to accomplish.  
> Neither are frequency bands, etc.  What they need is coverage data, 
> which I agree is important to provide, but no one else needs to know how 
> I provide it.
> 
> On 8/3/2011 10:50 AM, Drew Lentz wrote:
>> I still don't understand why someone *wouldn't* be open to this. If the NTIA 
>> is asking for your info, and granted none of it is that confidential 
>> (especially if you use unlicensed), it is so they know where access is and 
>> isn't. When the maps are drawn and your info wasn't supplied, there will be 
>> a big hole in that area. When they go to hand out money, they will give it 
>> to someone to fill that gap.
>> 
>> Excuse me for being naive, but I honestly don't understand why someone would 
>> purposefully set themselves up to get walked in on by competition, 
>> especially federally funded competition. Can someone enlighten me?
>> 
>> -drew
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> 
>>> Talk to Brian Webster. He is a subcontractor for the Illinois mapping
>>> effort.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/3/2011 8:54 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>>>> So, like many of you, we're being asked to provide data to NTIA for
>>>> broadband mapping, but as a private company I'm rather bothered by the
>>>> confidential information they are asking for. They want to know such
>>>> things as our spectrum use, antenna locations, antenna types, etc. so
>>>> they can model our coverage area (something we already do with Radio
>>>> Mobile). We tried for stimulas money, but got rejected so to be honest I
>>>> have little interest in providing this information, not to mention
>>>> having the data used by our competitors.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm wondering how others felt about providing this information?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Bret
>>>> 
>>>> Spectra Access
>>>> 25 Lowell Street,
>>>> Manchester, NH 03101
>>>> www.spectraaccess.com
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Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?

[Drew Lentz]

I still don't understand why someone *wouldn't* be open to this. If the NTIA is 
asking for your info, and granted none of it is that confidential (especially 
if you use unlicensed), it is so they know where access is and isn't. When the 
maps are drawn and your info wasn't supplied, there will be a big hole in that 
area. When they go to hand out money, they will give it to someone to fill that 
gap.

Excuse me for being naive, but I honestly don't understand why someone would 
purposefully set themselves up to get walked in on by competition, especially 
federally funded competition. Can someone enlighten me?

-drew


On Aug 3, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> Talk to Brian Webster. He is a subcontractor for the Illinois mapping 
> effort.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/3/2011 8:54 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>> So, like many of you, we're being asked to provide data to NTIA for
>> broadband mapping, but as a private company I'm rather bothered by the
>> confidential information they are asking for. They want to know such
>> things as our spectrum use, antenna locations, antenna types, etc. so
>> they can model our coverage area (something we already do with Radio
>> Mobile). We tried for stimulas money, but got rejected so to be honest I
>> have little interest in providing this information, not to mention
>> having the data used by our competitors.
>> 
>> I'm wondering how others felt about providing this information?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Bret
>> 
>> Spectra Access
>> 25 Lowell Street,
>> Manchester, NH 03101
>> www.spectraaccess.com
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

[Drew Lentz]

Jack, this line stood out to me:
"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together "

You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this.
The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a
wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting
groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional
level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie
together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and
help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on
the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,
money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural
locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we
are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that
be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated
contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA
commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more
than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it
matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving
too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that
change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward
towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few
steps.

-drew

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho  wrote:

> I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople,
> however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board.  I am a
> true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market.  I very
> strongly don't believe in socialism.
>
> I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a
> clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech
> fodder.
>
> wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that
> would really help make some changes and mature this industry..  I'll try to
> put some of those down and post them up early next week.
>
> Marco
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jack Unger  wrote:
>
>>  Marco,
>>
>> Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may
>> cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you would
>> like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points in
>> a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that.
>>
>> I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to
>> make elected officials aware that "all wireless isn't mobile". They seem
>> unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and that mobile broadband
>> is (like Matt Larsen says) "toy broadband".
>>
>> Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together and
>> get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND out to
>> Congress?
>>
>> jack
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
>>
>>
>> Here's some more:
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama
>>
>>
>> my response:
>>
>> Dear Mr. President,
>>
>> I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company.
>> I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13
>> years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas.
>> So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers
>> but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess
>> things up.
>>
>> Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's
>> still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do
>> pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples
>> monies and squandered.
>>
>> Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came
>> with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an
>> asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed
>> bands that us WISPs use.
>>
>> Marco Coelho
>> President,
>> Argon Technologies Inc.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Argon Technologies Inc.
>> POB 875
>> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
>> 903-455-5036
>>
>>
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[WISPA] Verizon to consider licensing 4g spectrum to rural carriers

[Drew Lentz]

I wonder if they are including WISPs in their rural carriers plan?
Nevertheless, I¹m sure if the price is right you too can operate on 4g!

Link pulled from another mailing list:
http://www.telecompetitor.com/verizon-considering-licensing-4g-spectrum-to-r
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[WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto

[Drew Lentz]

Didn't see this one coming but it looks like it could lead to some nice
products for WISPs.

http://bit.ly/bX4HTc

Canadian Company Tranzeo Wireless to Acquire Aperto Networks
Tranzeo strengthens its international market with complete broadband
solution

PITT MEADOWS, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Mar 31, 2010 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) --
BC-based Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc. (CA:TZT
  1.61, +0.04, +2.55%), a premier
manufacturer of wireless broadband and WiMAX communication systems,
announced today it has entered into a definitive merger agreement with
Aperto Networks, Inc. ("Aperto") and key Aperto shareholders. Under the
terms of the merger agreement, and upon the satisfaction of closing
conditions, Aperto will be merged into a newly incorporated subsidiary of
Tranzeo, with Aperto surviving and continuing to be operated as a
wholly-owned subsidiary of Tranzeo.

The merger will greatly increase Tranzeo's market share as it becomes a
complete end-to-end broadband solutions provider featuring WiFi, WiMax and
LTE products. Aperto's current backlog of all purchase orders is US$8.3
million. This will be added to Tranzeo's current backlog of US$32.7M.

"Acquiring Aperto immediately transforms Tranzeo into a market leading
complete solutions provider for major telecommunications operators while
still supplying product to Tranzeo's existing wireless Internet service
providers," said Jim Tocher, President and CEO of Tranzeo. "With an
established world-wide customer base and a pipeline of new customers now in
trials, the benefits of today's announcement will start to bear fruit within
a year. The future for Tranzeo has never looked better."

"The combining of Tranzeo and Aperto is a big win for wireless service
providers," said Randall Meals, Chairman of Aperto's Board and Managing
Director of Quicksilver Ventures. "We continue to be bullish on the
broadband wireless market and now Tranzeo's position in the market."

Existing Tranzeo and Aperto customers will greatly benefit from the combined
technologies and complete solutions Tranzeo will now be able to provide.

"Tranzeo's responsiveness, world-class manufacturing and additional product
breadth combined with Aperto's proven worldwide sales, support team, and
channels will significantly benefit our customers on a global basis,"said
Bill Waters, Senior Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Support at Aperto
Networks. "I am looking forward to serving our existing customers, expanding
our market and providing new solutions to our channel partners."

"This is very good news for TRG and the future of broadband services in
Indonesia," said Gatot Tetuko, President of PT. Teknologi Riset Global
(TRG), an affiliate company of leading telecommunication infrastructure
provider the Indonesian Tower Group. "With our joint development agreement
with Tranzeo, this will give us access to additional advanced wireless
technologies which we will incorporate into our broadband solutions."

Tranzeo expects to complete the acquisition of Aperto through issuances of
common shares to the stockholders of Aperto. Upon satisfaction of the
required closing conditions, Tranzeo will issue common shares to the
stockholders of Aperto based on a US$5 million base consideration amount, as
adjusted for liabilities and cash of Aperto at closing. Subject to the
satisfaction of certain additional earn-out conditions, Tranzeo may issue
additional common shares to the stockholders of Aperto based on revenues
attributable to certain products of Aperto that are sold by Tranzeo during a
one-year earn-out period following the date of closing of the merger. These
earn-out shares would be issued within 120 days of the expiry of the
earn-out period. All share issuances will be based on the volume weighted
average trading price of Tranzeo's common shares for the five trading days
prior to this announcement of the Merger Agreement.

The merger is anticipated to be completed in mid-April 2010. Completion of
the merger will be subject to customary closing conditions, including the
approval of the proposed merger by the Toronto Stock Exchange and by the
stockholders of Aperto. Tranzeo stockholder approval is not required.
Tranzeo has agreed to appoint a representative of Aperto to its board of
directors on closing.

The common shares proposed to be issued have not been registered under the
Securities Act of 1933, as amended, or any state securities laws, and may
not be offered or sold in the United States without registration or an
applicable exemption from applicable registration requirements in the US.
This press release shall not constitute an offer to sell or the solicitation
of an offer to buy nor shall there be any sale of the securities in any
jurisdiction in which such offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful.

Tranzeo and the Tranzeo logo are registered trademarks of Tranzeo Wireless
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[WISPA] FW: WISPs given short shrift

[Drew Lentz]

Just read this on another list, thought I would push it through to WISPA.
Seems a little odd..

-drew



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Brett Glass 
> Date: March 16, 2010 8:32:38 AM EDT
> Subject: First erratum for National Broadband Plan: WISPs given short shrift
>> 
>> 
>> Got up early this morning to begin reading the FCC's freshly released
>> National Broadband Plan. Unfortunately, one of the first things I discovered
>> -- after searching for the acronym WISP (wireless Internet service provider)
>> -- is that the plan gives short shrift to our industry by making
>> apples-to-oranges comparisons between the number of people actually SERVED by
>> WISPs and the number of people COVERED by other forms of fixed wireless
>> broadband.
>> 
>> On page 77 of the report, a table purports to list the number of persons
>> covered by various wireless technologies. But while it shows this number as
>> 30 million (projected) for Clearwire and 6 million (also projected) for
>> OpenRange Communications (the approximate populations of the geographic areas
>> they cover or plan to cover), it quotes the number of people ACTUALLY SERVED
>> by WISPs -- 2 million -- in the same table, making WISPs appear to have much
>> less coverage than they actually do.
>> 
>> In fact, as can be clearly seen on the static map at
>> 
>> http://www.wirelessmapping.com/WISP%20National%20Map.png
>> 
>> or the interactive Google map at
>> 
>> http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm
>> 
>> WISPs cover more than 250 million people -- the majority of the population of
>> the United States and far more than either of these two individual providers.
>> 
>> Could this very serious apples-to-oranges error have resulted in the plan's
>> failure to recommend more of the specific policies which would facilitate
>> WISPs' efforts to bring service to unserved and underserved areas at the
>> lowest cost per square mile of any terrestrial broadband technology?
>> 
>> Since the plan's Executive Summary states that the plan is "still in beta,"
>> perhaps this can be the first erratum.
>> 
>> --Brett Glass, LARIAT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- End of Forwarded Message




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Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddatadelivery is here to stay.

[Drew Lentz]

I use PlayOn on my 360 to access Hulu and Connect360 on my Mac for movies. I
haven't subscribed to cable in about 3 years. :)


On 11/16/09 11:34 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Xbox/PS3 connecting to TVersity is pure win when you've got all your DVDs,
> music, tv shows, pictures, etc stored on disk.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
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> 
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> 
>>  This weekend I purchased a Samsung Blu-Ray DVD player. It comes with an
>> ethernet port to do Blockbuster, Netflix, Pandora and Youtube. The player
>> was $179 at Sam's club. I used a Linksys WGT54G to connect it to my wireless
>> network. It's pretty freaking cool. ;)
>> 
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>> 
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> $200 Xbox or $200 module
>> 
>> No thanks.  Still kind of neat, though.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>> --- Albert Einstein
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Andy Trimmell
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Here's a good example.http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9672957-1.html
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> ] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:06 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...
>> increaseddatadelivery is here to stay.
>> 
>> I have a Sony Bravia - how does this work?  There is no rj45 jack from
>> what
>> I recall.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>> --- Albert Einstein
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Drew Lentz 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Just throwing this one in there as an FYI as of 2 days ago:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-internet-capable-sony
>> 
>> -bra<http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-internet-capable-sony
>> %0A-bra> 
>> <http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-internet-capable-sony%0A-
>> bra>
>> 
>> via-sets-today/<http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-inter
>> net-capable-sony-bra%0Avia-sets-today/>
>> <http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-internet-capable-sony-bra
>> %0Avia-sets-today/>
>> 
>>  " Good news for folks who against all odds don't have a home theater
>> Netflix
>> streaming option yet, and yet inexplicably own an internet-connected
>> 
>> 
>>  Sony
>> 
>> 
>>  BRAVIA TV: Netflix just went live. It just takes applying the latest
>> software update and you're in business. BRAVIA owners were promised
>> 
>> 
>>  the
>> 
>> 
>>  update back in July, and let us be the first to point and laugh
>> insensitively at PS3 owners who have use a "DVD" to get Netflix
>> 
>> 
>>  working on
>> 
>> 
>>  their Cell-powered supermachines."
>> 
>> -d
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/15/09 7:43 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  That's part of the problem with WiMAX...  they're throwing QoS only
>> 
>> 
>>  at a
>> 
>> 
>>  QoS
>> 
>> 
>>  AND bandwidth problem.  WiMAX, that is, not necessarily 802.16d.
>> 
>> 
>>  802.16d
>> 
>> 
>>  over a 15 or 20 MHz channel would be just fine.
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> From: "MDK"  
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:09 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List"  
>> Subject: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased
>> datadelivery is here to stay.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>

Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased datadelivery is here to stay.

[Drew Lentz]

Just throwing this one in there as an FYI as of 2 days ago:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-internet-capable-sony-bra
via-sets-today/

" Good news for folks who against all odds don't have a home theater Netflix
streaming option yet, and yet inexplicably own an internet-connected Sony
BRAVIA TV: Netflix just went live. It just takes applying the latest
software update and you're in business. BRAVIA owners were promised the
update back in July, and let us be the first to point and laugh
insensitively at PS3 owners who have use a "DVD" to get Netflix working on
their Cell-powered supermachines."

-d


On 11/15/09 7:43 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> That's part of the problem with WiMAX...  they're throwing QoS only at a QoS
> AND bandwidth problem.  WiMAX, that is, not necessarily 802.16d.  802.16d
> over a 15 or 20 MHz channel would be just fine.
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
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> From: "MDK" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:09 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased
> datadelivery is here to stay.
> 
>> I've been watching the thread about it with great interest.Partly
>> because I was wondering if anyone was going to try "my solution", which
>> is,
>> to attempt to be able to deliver the bandwidth to the people who want to
>> use
>> these, and have them work fine.
>> 
>> Please understand, I'm not talking about a prioritizing scheme, which puts
>> video ahead of surfing, etc.
>> 
>> I'm just talking about how we're going to keep up with the future...   In
>> 2004 when I started, we used between 1 and and 1.5 gigs of data per
>> customer
>> per month. The last time I measured it, which was a year ago,  we were
>> up to more than 7.
>> 
>> We're thinking about how we're going to meet the demands of the near
>> future... not managing a shortage of bandwidth delivery.  I'm nowhere near
>> as leveraged as some of my competitors in terms of oversubscription, but
>> that's not an excuse.
>> 
>> I'm thinking of planning on a future delivery of 4 to 6 meg per customer,
>> oversubscribed to around 4 to 6 to one.
>> 
>> What is everyone else planning?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...

[Drew Lentz]

Contrib:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/traffic-cameras-billed-as-an
swer-to-chicagos-budget-deficit.ars

" This time around, though, the company trumpeting the addition of these
digital watchdogs isn't portraying them as useful tools for catching
speeders‹instead, camera provider InsureNet claims to have developed "a
simple yet complete answer that delivers totally accurate, instant insurance
status verification. An additional unique advantage is that this system is
also non-invasive, ensuring protection for every insurer and policyholder."

The Chicago Sun-Times quotes InsureNet president Dr. Jonathan Miller on what
the city might expect to earn with the system in 2009. "Certainly, it will
be well in excess of $100 million," Dr. Miller said. "We think at least $200
million. And the upward projections are far higher.""




On 4/3/09 6:57 PM, "Tom DeReggi"  wrote:

> Big Brother already started comming with those darn Traffic Cameras.  I got
> 6 tickets (40mph in newly posted 25-30 mph zones) within 2 weeks.
> They plan to eventually have them at EVERY Intersection here.
> I'm suspecting more privacy will be lost as more networks become
> operated/controlled by governments.
> I'm hoping the Broadband Stimulus "public safety" goals means mobile
> broadband to officers on the street or inter-agency, and not more traffic
> control.
> PS. A little off topic to Cyber Security, but relevent to Big Brother :-)
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:17 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...
> 
> 
>> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Bill-Grants-President-Unprecedented-Cyber-S
>> ecurity-Powers-504520/
>> 
>> Sometimes I wish people would REALLY pay attention.   All this whining and
>> moaning about how Bush violated our rights...
>> 
>> Anyway...   this is reason for concern for all of us.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[WISPA] IWCE 2009 / Motorola Partner Summit

[Drew Lentz]

If any of you all are going to be at the Motorola Partner Summit or IWCE in
Las Vegas this week, drop me a note and we can meetup and talk about mesh,
municipal projects, etc. etc. :) I¹m supposed to be on a panel for Mesh
Networks 101 (Tuesday 8:00 AM) and New Advances in Wireless Video
Surveillance (Thursday @ 2:45)

-drew

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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Drew Lentz]

I've used a couple of different methods, but one of my favorite (a little
more expensive) is Huber Suhner FastWrap:

http://www.hubersuhner.ca/co-ca-us/mozilla/products/hs-p-rf/hs-rf-connectors
/hs-p-rf-con-access/ca-us-p-rf-con-access-fw

I've used it from coast to coast to coast .. San fran to boston to south
padre island, tx and it has withstood everything that can be thrown at it;
snow, sleet, rain, hurricanes, intense sun and salt.
It's easy to get into, saves connectors, and keeps fingers pookie-free :)

-drew


On 3/6/09 10:05 AM, "George Rogato"  wrote:

> I don't know, as I understand it Mark was talking about mountain top
> with extreme elements.
> 
> I live on the Oregon Coast, Oregon = lots of rain, the coast, lots of
> wind and rain.
> I have been taping for 10 years and must have 2,000 radios hung at least
> in all that time, and quality rubber tape and a vinyl layer has worked
> without issue.
> 
> Heck, I've has two connectors that were untapped for a couple years that
> when I took them apart, where as dry as a bone and had no problems. One
> of them, the guys back yard was the ocean and the other a 1/2 mile away.
> 
> What causes issues is when a person does a bad job tapping.
> 
> When using tape, you have to stretch the tape and wrap with pressure.
> loose fitting tape is just asking for trouble. it creates little voids
> where water will sit and seep in. A tightly pulled rubber tape things
> out to almost teflon and gets into all the small pours of the joint. A
> few layers of rubber pulled tight is pretty much fool proof.
> 
> 
> 
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> Anything that's easy to take off also won't hold water out as well
>> 
>> I tried the vinyl tape, rubber tape, vinyl tape thing.  Once.  It didn't
>> leak (you go past the vinyl tape by a quarter to a half inch) but I just
>> couldn't bring myself to do it again.  I'd rather take the time to remove
>> the good stuff than take the time in bad weather to fix the easy stuff.
>> 
>> Here's the trick to pulling the rubber tape off.  Split it (lightly and
>> carefully so you don't go thought the outer cable jacket) then start peeling
>> it back with a needle nose pliers.  Work from the cut outward, on both
>> sides, a little at a time.  Pretty soon you'll get to the point that you can
>> just twist the pliers and the whole mess will come off pretty easily.  Takes
>> me about 5 minutes nowadays.
>> 
>> marlon
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
>> WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>> 
>> 
>>> There are two methods I can say work.
>>> 
>>> Electrical tape the entire thing then cover it in coax seal.  The purpose
>>> of
>>> the electrical tape is only to "easily" remove all the gunk off of the
>>> coax
>>> connector.  I personally spend $10 on a new cable and seal then spending
>>> 15
>>> to 30 minutes minimum trying to clean it off.  Coax seal does a beautiful
>>> job of keeping the weather out.  The worst part about Ohio weather is that
>>> we can get a build up of ice and have it melt and freeze within 24 hours.
>>> Finding how to seal our gear was a difficult task but has been solved.
>>> 
>>> For the last couple of years we quit using PacWireless enclosures and
>>> stick
>>> with the no name brand "2 or 4 n hole enclosure" with ribs and U bolts.
>>> Coax connectors sealed with a good foot of coax seal, from enclosure to
>>> the
>>> factory sealer of the coax cable.  No problems in the last year or two
>>> since
>>> doing this.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>>> 
 Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
 
 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message -
 From: "RickG" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
 HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
 
 
> Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the
> pigeons
> would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> connection. That took care of that!
> -RickG
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> 
>> The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from
>> GB.
 I
>> can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
>> problem.
>> 
>> How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular
>> site
 is
>> at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. 

[WISPA] Proposed data retention laws targeting ISPs, home WiFi users

[Drew Lentz]

>From another list, but nevertheless very relevant...

-d

> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10168114-38.html
> Republican politicians on Thursday called for a sweeping new federal
> law that would require all Internet providers and operators of
> millions of WiFi access points, even hotels, local coffeeshops, and
> home users, to keep records about users for two years to aid police
> investigations... Translated, the Internet SAFETY Act applies not
> just to AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, and so on -- but also to the tens of
> millions of homes with WiFi access points that use the standard
> method of dynamically assigning temporary addresses.
>
> The relevant bills:
> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:s.00436:
> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.01076:
>
> It's unclear why Sen. Cornyn and Rep. Smith want to target home WiFi
> users (plus companies, universities, schools, libraries). Smith has
> been at this data retention thing for over two years now, so he's
> had time to get it exactly right:
> http://news.cnet.com/2100-1028_3-6156948.html
>
> Before Democrats start bemoaning how censorial the Republicans are,
> let's remember affection for data retention laws is a bipartisan
> sentiment. The first politician in the U.S. Congress to draft such
> legislation was a Democrat (Diana DeGette).
>
> And the current attorney general, Eric Holder, said this when he was
> previously at DOJ: "Certain data must be retained by ISPs for
> reasonable periods of time so that it can be accessible to law
> enforcement." (http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/dagceos.html)
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

[Drew Lentz]

Don't forget about Sascha's project @ CUWiN
http://cuwireless.net/

-d

On 2/19/09 5:13 AM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:

> I think you're thinking of the MIT Roofnet project?
> http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/roofnet/doku.php
> 
> :)
> 
> Scottie Arnett wrote:
>> I was thinking of something else...can't remember what is was called. A
>> college was replacing the firmware in some Netgear WGR614L(best I recall)
>> routers and meshing the whole campus with it. Sorry for the confusion.
>> 
>> Scottie
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "John J. Thomas" 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date:  Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:49:14 +
>> 
>>   
>>> Some MME info
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MME_wireless_routing_protocol
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: Scottie Arnett [mailto:sarn...@info-ed.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 09:34 PM
 To: e...@wisp-router.com, 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 
 Too give credit where credit is due...did not a university do this to begin
 with that worked really well...and all other versions are built on it?
 
 Scottie
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: e...@wisp-router.com
 Reply-To: e...@wisp-router.com, WISPA General List 
 Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:36:32 +
 
   
> MikroTik has its MME implementation that is what should be used instead of
> using WDS for a mesh setup. MME is as true mesh as it gets.
> 
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Harold Bledsoe 
> 
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:39
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
> 
> 
> Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
> about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds
> 
> If so, I would disagree that this is a "good" mesh implementation.
> There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
> infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
> strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
> path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
> to give high performance.
> 
> On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
> mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
> should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
> the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
> outdoor selections).
> 
> I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
> there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
> are getting!
> 
> -Hal
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: os10ru...@gmail.com
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430
> 
> Mr. Burgess,
> 
> What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
> the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
> sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
> see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
> detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too
> much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
> because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
> leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
> as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.
> 
> Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
> bad?
> 
> Greg
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> 
> 
>> Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
>> and it works :)
>> 
>> * ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> 
>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
>> 
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[WISPA] CES 2009 Trend: Web-enabled Televisions

[Drew Lentz]

http://dvice.com/archives/2009/01/red-hot_trends.php

"After the full day of press conferences preceding the opening of the
Consumer Electronics Show (CES), there's one big trend that keeps coming up
from every electronics company hawking their wares to the press corps. They
all are cranking out TVs that can easily link up to the web.

While we've seen a trickle of attempts, plans and half-hearted hookups to
the internet in the past couple of years, this year at CES, that trickle has
turned into a torrent. Web connectivity is at the top of the hype list for
Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic, Sharp, and Toshiba. Why are they all so eager
to make it easy for TV viewers to access online content from their living
rooms?"






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Re: [WISPA] signal measurement

[Drew Lentz]

A spectrum analyzer? ;-)

-d


On 12/28/08 4:09 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> A while ago someone posted about a device that would measure signal
> output of a radio for testing purposes. What was the name of that device?
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
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Re: [WISPA] 802.11y // Thoughts?

[Drew Lentz]

Yeah, but that's *if* you have the spectrum available at 700/2.3/2.5/2.6,
right? This puts a play into 3.65 which anyone can get their hands on and
with all the CBP functions in Y and 3.65, it should make it more resilient
to interference..

Just playing the opposite side here..

-d



On 12/26/08 9:26 AM, "David E. Smith"  wrote:

> Drew Lentz wrote:
> 
>> Will the new 802.11y standard affect the sales of proprietary WiMAX
>> equipment? Since 802.11y gear operate in the 3650 - 3700 MHz band in the US,
>> and it's based on WiFi, isn't it a better alternative to all that expensive
>> WiMAX gear?
> 
> Depends on your definition of "better."
> 
> It may be less expensive, and while that's often better from the
> perspective of a small service provider's checkbook, it might not be so
> from the quality of service you provide.
> 
> Unless/until this equipment is available and we can put it up in the air
> to field-test it, I'm not sure how useful it is to speculate.
> 
> WiMAX gear is available now, and while it's still expensive, it's also
> pretty solid. And having spectrum that's almost guaranteed to be free of
> interference is NICE.
> 
> David Smith
> MVN.net
> 
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[WISPA] 802.11y // Thoughts?

[Drew Lentz]

I have been hearing a lot of chatter over the last 2 months about 802.11y.
I¹m not sure if I missed a thread about it or not, but what are the general
thoughts? I just answered a question on LinkedIn about it. Here¹s the
question and here¹s my answer to start the convo:

Question:
Will the new 802.11y standard affect the sales of proprietary WiMAX
equipment? Since 802.11y gear operate in the 3650 - 3700 MHz band in the US,
and it's based on WiFi, isn't it a better alternative to all that expensive
WiMAX gear?

My Answer:
I think that if they are brought to market at the right price point, they
will definitely offer an alternative to WiMAX / LTE basestations, especially
for smaller WISPs and self-maintained users. The buzz that I have heard form
these groups since the frequency announcements has always been around a 3650
product that is not WiMAX so that it is less expensive. When you couple
802.11 with the output power of this frequency set and the contention based
protocols for backoff to allow it to "play nicer", I think it could be the
start of something great. I really think the price point is going to be the
determining factor though.

What are y¹alls thoughts on Y? Here¹s a link to the Wikipedia entry for more
info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11y

Also, have any vendors come out and said they will support Y? I can¹t think
of any off the top of my head...

Hope you all had a Merry Christmas!!

-drew



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Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

[Drew Lentz]

Nuts! You beat me to it! Gino is absolutely right, first of all. There is no
defined standard yet that I have heard of either.

The interoperability of these devices, in theory, should be at a connection
and other basic function level. Charles Wu posted a great article on here
some months ago detailing the way it it all seems like its going. Basically,
if you have interoperable gear, it *will* work, you just wont have any of
the features and benefits of the system you are connecting to. I always
liken it to the Cisco CCX extensions for Wi-Fi. If you are on a Cisco
network, CCX gives you so much more power over the client and the ability to
manage them, but if you are running a Cisco 802.11 card on any other system,
it acts like any other Wi-Fi client.

I would really like someone to correct me if I am wrong from Tranzeo on
this. I am in no way trying to say something that is inaccurate, it is just
what my understanding of a conversation I had with them was.

-drew


On 12/14/08 12:54 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Jeff AFAIK there is no Wimax Forum 3.65 profile ...
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
> 
> We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our understanding that
> all 3.65 WiMAX Forum Certified equipment is interoperable but only to a
> certain extent.  From what I understand, Redline Base Stations and
> Tranzeo CPE will work together but only on a "best effort" basis.  All
> QoS functionality is proprietary.  If you are just providing data
> services that should not be an issue though.
> 
> Once again, this is theory.  I do not know of anyone who has actually
> tried out a system using Redline Base Stations and another
> manufacturer's CPE.
> 
> -Jeff
> General Manager
> CTI
> (773) 667-4585 x2509
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:39 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
> 
> Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the
> manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
> 
> So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary
> system, right?
> 
> George
> 
> Blair Davis wrote:
>> rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
>>> Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability?
>>> 
>>> That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff.   We hate
> the idea
>>> of getting orphaned.
>>> 
>> 
>> Right on!  Some of us HAVE been orphaned!
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Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

[Drew Lentz]

>From what I understood from the guys at Tranzeo, just because they are
manufactured both by Tranzeo and they are the same freq, there are hooks
into all of the CPEs so that they are not cross-compatible. This might need
clarification, but I was sure that this was the case in speaking with their
guys. In other words, the Tranzeo / Redline CPEs work only with Redline, the
Tranzeo / Vecima CPEs work only with Vecima. The Tranzeo CPEs direct from
Tranzeo will not work with either .. This was done so that end-users don't
shop around to piece together the system.

I might be wrong, but I remember when I heard this described I did the whole
"dog tilting it's head sideways" thing ...

-drew


On 12/13/08 5:32 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

>  
>  
> it uses 802.03af PS ...
>  
> My point was that you could use the low cost Vecima Bases with these
> CPEs ...
>  
> or stick with el cheapo tranzeo units  Would you pay extra $50 for a
> quality cpe? I'll do
>  
> Definetly Tranzeo does not manufacture this unit 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
> 
> 
> U pricing is WAY, WAY different.
> 
> Redline AP's are around $10k
> Vecima AP's are around $4k
> 
> Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity)
> Vecima CPE's are less than $249
> 
> And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send
> a picture of the Redline CPE?
>  
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> Gino Villarini wrote:
> 
> iirc one vendor told me the recline CPe could talk with the
> Vecima  
> base
> 
> 
> The redline units are top notch quality construction, no tranzeo
> 
> mickey mouse stuff.
> 
> 
> Afaik pricing is not much diferent
> 
> 
> Gino
> 
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
> 
> 
> On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:37 PM, "Travis Johnson" 
>   wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We received our Vecima "trial" kit (one AP and five CPE)
> on Thursday  
> afternoon. We have not yet put it on a tower, as there
> were several  
> issues with their software on the AP... but here's some
> info thus far:
> 
> The base station is quite large. It measures
> approximately 14 inches
> tall x 8 inches wide x 6 inches thick. It weighs about
> 25 pounds  
> (seriously). It has an RJ-45 ethernet connector and an
> N-male  
> connector on the bottom. (I was lead to believe they had
> omni, 90  
> degree, 120 degree and connectorized versions, and I
> requested the  
> 120 unit, but instead got this with an LMR jumper and an
> MTI 120  
> antenna).
> 
> We began by getting into the AP and making some "normal"
> changes  
> (downlink was set to 50%, so we changed it to 70%). Also
> the center  
> frequency was set to 3.410 so we changed that to 3.650.
> We also  
> changed to 7mhz channel size. We then applied and
> rebooted... and  
> then we could no longer get into the "radio"
> configuration page
> (where we had just made all those changes). So we did a
> factory  
> reset and tried again. Same thing. We opened a trouble
> ticket with  
> Vecima the next morning, and they were able to reproduce
> the problem  
> in their lab. Then about 3 hours later, another tech
> called back and  
> told us we needed to upgrade the firmware (even though
> the first  
> tech said we were running the latest). We upgraded and
> that fixed  
> the problem... but then we had a new problem. The
> "Allowed MAC  
> address" file somehow got corrupted... so they had to
> SSH into the  
> base station and fix that file. (By the way, this AP is
> just running  
> Linux 2.6.14 kernel). We were now able to make a
> connection to one
> of the CPE (after setting up the service classifiers,
> service flows,  
> and adding a service flow to this MAC address). Making a
> link on our  
> test bench (10 feet away), we had a -55ish signal...
> however, the  
> ping times and speeds were terrible (2000ms and at the
> most 2Mbps).  
> I am thinking it was because this is running OFDM and in
> close  
> proximity, the signals bounce all over. Last, all three
> techs that I  
> talked to at Vecima asked "Do you have an NMS (network
> management  
> server)?" and I had to continually say "no" and then
> they would say  
> "oh... I don't know how to do this manually". One of the
> reasons we  
> were testing this solution is that it did not require
> their NMS to  
> function... however, even their tech support is pretty
> limited if  
> you don't have it. Their NMS server is about $5,000 (but
> a single  
> server will support an entire network, with unlimited
> AP's and CPE).
> 
> On to the CPE: This is one of the worst designs of a CPE
> that I have  
> ever seen. The entire unit is made by Tranzeo and looks
> just like  
>

Re: [WISPA] AT&T Cell Band

[Drew Lentz]

1900 & 850 I believe.

-d


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> Anyone know what band AT&T uses for cell service? I have a client that
> needs cell amplifiers put in a 100,000 sqft warehouse they just changed
> from Nextel to AT&T.
> 
>  
> 
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

[Drew Lentz]

To me this is the scary part:

" The overall picture suggests that uTP has a serious flaw. If it simply
relies on latency measurements to find preferred paths, it¹s likely to favor
paths where it¹s successfully circumventing management. When a path is
managed to give UDP priority over TCP (as is apparently the case in the Bell
Canada network,) uTP will see that path as uncongested even as it's
struggling to deliver TCP. In this case, uTP will in fact impair other
applications, as we suggested in our previous piece."

" Another solution would be for traffic shapers to look inside the UDP
payload in order to differentiate VoIP from uTP, but this approach is
frustrated by the protocol obfuscation option that remains a live feature in
BitTorrent over uTP. uTP will cause traffic shaping to become more
expensive."


On 12/8/08 11:02 AM, "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Think the author had it right the first time.
> 
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Drew Lentz
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:55 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/05/richard_bennett_bittorrent_udp/
> 
> ³The next official release of the uTorrent client ­ currently in alpha test
> ­ replaces TCP with a custom-built transport protocol called uTP, layered
> over the same UDP protocol used by VoIP and gaming. According to BitTorrent
> marketing manager Simon Morris, the motivation for this switch (which I
> incorrectly characterized in The Register earlier this week as merely
> another attempt to escape traffic shaping) is to better detect and avoid
> network congestion.²
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[WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

[Drew Lentz]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/05/richard_bennett_bittorrent_udp/

³The next official release of the uTorrent client ­ currently in alpha test
­ replaces TCP with a custom-built transport protocol called uTP, layered
over the same UDP protocol used by VoIP and gaming. According to BitTorrent
marketing manager Simon Morris, the motivation for this switch (which I
incorrectly characterized in The Register earlier this week as merely
another attempt to escape traffic shaping) is to better detect and avoid
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[WISPA] NetFlix via Tivo announced today

[Drew Lentz]

NetFlix made their Tivo announcement early this morning:

LIGHTS, CAMERA, ACTION! MOVIES AND TV EPISODES FROM NETFLIX DIRECTLY TO THE
TV THROUGH TIVO DVRs AVAILABLE TODAY

Just in Time for the Holidays, Offering Brings Budget Conscious
Entertainment to Consumers

ALVISO, Calif. - December 8, 2008 - After announcing a groundbreaking
partnership in October with Netflix Inc., TiVo Inc. (NASDAQ: TIVO), the
creator of and a leader in television services for digital video recorders
(DVRs), today announced that subscribers to both Netflix and TiVo® Series3,
TiVo HD, or TiVo HD XL can now access thousands of movies and TV episodes
instantly streamed from Netflix directly to their TVs.

The service is being offered at no additional charge to customers who
subscribe to both services. This morning subscribers can browse through an
expanding library of more than 12,000 movies and TV episodes at
www.netflix.com, add them to their Netflix instant Queue, and then watch
them on TV with just a click of the TiVo remote. The library includes titles
from every genre, with a modest selection of HD content available as well.
Both standard and HD titles are expected to grow in the weeks and months
ahead.

"With so much talk focusing on the economy these days, this partnership
makes more sense than ever because it brings people more movies at home,
offering substantially more entertainment options than cable or satellite,"
said Tara Maitra, GM and Vice President of Content Services at TiVo Inc.
"TiVo offers consumers everything they need from just one box. Not only
great content from Netflix, but also movies from The Walt Disney Studios and
Amazon, music from Rhapsody, videos from YouTube and even pictures from
Picasa Web Albums and Photobucket. And that's all in addition to TiVo's core
functionality that made us a favorite in the first place. It adds up to a
one-of-a-kind value."

"Netflix offers an unbeatable combination of convenience, selection, and
value, which now extends to TiVo customers," said Netflix Chief Marketing
Officer Leslie Kilgore. This partnership is a win-win-win for Netflix, TiVo,
and consumers alike."

Movies are streamed from Netflix through TiVo DVRs via wired or wireless
broadband connection and a Netflix Queue-based user interface. Members visit
the Netflix Web site to add movies and TV episodes to their individual
instant Queues. Those choices will automatically be displayed on
subscribers' TVs and are available to watch instantly through the TiVo
service. With the TiVo remote control users can browse their instant Queue,
make selections right on the TV screen, as well as read synopses and rate
movies. In addition, they have the option of pausing, fast-forwarding,
rewinding and re-starting whenever they wish.

For more information on how to have movies instantly streamed from Netflix
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[WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???

[Drew Lentz]

I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in
America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless!
That sucks!

Here¹s the article:
http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp

Boycott PCMag or what? :-)

-drew



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[WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?

[Drew Lentz]

>From Wall Street Journal today:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html

³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is pushing
for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless
Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless
industry and some consumer groups.²

I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks
conversation.

-d



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Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

[Drew Lentz]

Rick,

I got to get my hands on a couple of Bullets this past week. They work as
expected with no real huge differences over the NS5s and PS5, operationally.
I still prefer the PowerStations as clients personally because of the all in
one package with a nice coupled antenna. I have still heard and seen
problems with the SMA ext. connector on the NS5, so this definitely resolves
that issue!

I think it is a great idea and the price point is exceptional. I see it as
more of an AP application when combined with sectorized antennas or as a CPE
with high gain directionals.

I didn't get to test the functionality of software (like the IPSEC VPN that
was requested) but I did see the same type of patterns as with the other
Ubiquiti AirOS platforms, for what its worth.

These things are gonna be great.

-drew


On 11/26/08 12:48 AM, "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I used and loved Trango at the last WISP I owned/operated in West
> Palm. With my current operation, Tranzeo works well too and I'm
> starting to really enjoy MikroTik but nothing can replace my Trango!
> Maybe Ubiquiti. I 'm looking forward to the bullet. I hope it works
> well. Anyone get an early release?
> -RickG
> 
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:51 AM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>> "trango" and have now given up on a successor to the product line.
>> 
>> Allthough that is true... Its also important to note Even today, with the
>> other newer more updated options out there When I have a choice. And
>> I need to guarantee the link will work the first trip onsite, and I need to
>> rely on it Trango is still my first choice that I pull off the shelve to
>> install. When the originial product of 8 years ago works so well, its hard
>> for the manufacturer to justify changing it.   Still to this day There is
>> not another product on the market that can offer what Trango PtMP offers now
>> from its yr 2000 design.
>> 
>> Sure, we are all migrating to higher capacity gear options where we can
>> but its not feasible or necessary everywhere.
>> 
>> 
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>> 
>> 
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Travis Johnson
>>  To: WISPA General List
>>  Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:59 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
>> 
>> 
>>  Josh,
>> 
>>  I think this was the point. The Trango 5800 series (the 5830 radio) was the
>> top of the line product when it first came out (2001 or 2002 I think). There
>> was nothing else on the market (including Canopy) when Trango first started
>> shipping this product. However, nothing has been done with it since then.
>> They made two failed attempts, and have now given up on a successor to the
>> product line.
>> 
>>  Travis
>>  Microserv
>> 
>>  Josh Luthman wrote:
>> I must be using a different product line then everyone else here - the
>> Trango Access 5800 has left quite a bit to be desired - short range and at
>> most 7mbps throughput.  Mikrotik (costing less new then Trango used) easily
>> outperforms in wireless distance, throughput and (my favorite) capability.
>> 
>> I have no experience with Canopy but I can imagine from all the great buffs
>> it gets around here and their well known history in wireless I don't doubt
>> it is a good product.
>> 
>> Redline is to radios as Sony is to LCDs.  Can't be beat in quality...
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> Suite 1337
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>> 
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>  On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
>> 
>>I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value"
>> decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could
>> support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it
>> today. There is a real "gap" in the products that are available on
>> the market:
>>  I don't disagree with your assessment of the current product matrix.
>> I don't even assume that ALL WISPs are "cheap".  I am not sure I
>> would say that even MOST of them are cheap.  But enough of them are
>> that the middle of the road products you want are missing in action.
>> 
>>Next = Mikrotik
>> Next = Trango, Canopy, etc
>>  Since they have fixed their wireless, I'd put MT in the same class
>> as Trango and Canopy.
>> 
>>So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last
>> 2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal R&D to focus on WiMax?
>>  I have an opinion (which I stated in rant form) about what happened
>> to the R&D.  The Canopy line (which is a very nice radio) is a good
>> example.  Motorola has delivered a product that just works.  It is
>> expensive compared to other products sold to the same "marketplace",
>> but it is NOT expensive for what it delivers.  Better, yet, they are
>> workin

[WISPA] WiMax handoff from 3.65 to 2.5

[Drew Lentz]

Copypasta from Dailywireless.org:

Link to story: 
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Airspan-Succeeds-First-Ever-Multi/stor
y.aspx?guid=%7B2AD0C2CD-055D-479A-9492-E835F5ABAF3A%7D

Airspan Networks announced today that it has successfully demonstrated
seamless, uninterrupted handover from one frequency band on a mobile WiMAX
network to another frequency band (pdf).


A handover provides seamless transfer from one base station to another
without loss or interruption of service. As mobile WiMAX deployments become
more common, users will benefit from the ability to transfer from one
operating network to another. For instance, in the United States, a user
with an Airspan MiMAX USB device connected to their laptop may be able to
roam from a license-exempt 3.65 GHz network into a national, license-owned
2.5 GHz WiMAX network.
 





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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Drew Lentz]

Obviously upstream costs vary depending on where you are located. That isn't
the whole issue here. At the last wisp we built out, we were accessing dual
DS-3s at 2 central points and distributing them via 155Mbps radios
throughout 6000 square miles. We found the lowest cost upstream provider at
the time (WilTel which is now Level3) and piped it to where we needed it. We
spent the money on the front end to provide high bandwidth services to where
we would need it in the future so that we didn't have to worry about
existing infrastructure. Those pipes are now now starting to fill up (from
what I understand, I am no longer at that company) and they are adding more
capacity on existing tower sites.

On the microwave side, solutions from companies like DragonWave, Ceragon,
Nera, and Bridgewave give you tons of bandwidth availability. If you want to
push hundreds of megabits of transfer, there are equipment solutions that
are out there available to do so.

I work with WISPs, carriers, private end-users, and agencies on a day to day
basis that are upgrading their pipes today to get them in the lead tomorrow.
Just because you are in a rural area (I hail from McAllen, TX on the
US/Mexico border .. Pretty rural here too!) doesn't mean that you can't
begin to provide the same types of service that are available in metro
areas. Wok with your local fiber carriers, find out where their pops are,
talk to them about tower co-location or dropping fiber to a nearby area to
save on local loop charges, and shoot it to your NOC. There are a ton of
different ways to skin this cat, and the equipment is there to help you do
it. Some of it may be less expensive than you think too!

-drew


On 11/25/08 2:13 AM, "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Drew,
> 
> I once thought the world was full of rednecks and southern bells, until I got
> out of the southern United States a few times. As a matter of fact, I thought
> Vegas hung the moon!
> 
> I am not sure where you hail from, but can you give us an idea of what your
> upstream cost are? That makes ALL the difference in our discussion! MY point
> is that even though I service very rural peeps, that they expect the same
> service that their kinfolk have in metro areas! IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Now
> or NEVER unless there are some major undertakings! Not saying this will happen
> everywhere, but 3 Mb/s is the MOST anyone can buy at the moment, at $75/mth.
> 
> And if you are deploying Fiber or some wireless technology that you can
> sustain streaming from for over 50 consumers at once at 2 MBps, we would love
> to hear about it and the statistics.
> 
> Scottie
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:26:16 -0600
> 
>> The point that I was getting at when this thread started about 24 hours ago
>> was about having an all you can eat type service. As it stands right now,
>> how many ISPs are offering plans of 768k or 1Mbps or 3 Mbps? This is not
>> going to cut it in the future. This is not going to cut it next year.
>> 
>> I wasn't trying to say "well hell just buy more radios in the same frequency
>> space and put them up on the towers" .. What I am getting at is that opening
>> these subs up and supplying the bandwidth they need is going to have to
>> become a reality at some point. If the networks that are in place today
>> cannot satisfy that need, there will be other networks in the future that
>> WILL be there. 
>> 
>> For what they have done with the physics side of it (i.e. Modulation
>> schemes, channel reuse, beam forming, etc.) technologies exist or are being
>> worked on to milk everything out of that valuable spectrum that we all try
>> and operate in.
>> 
>> The cars on the bike trail is a perfect example .. Luckily whether its 3.65
>> or TVWS or the 700 MHz auctions, that spectrum is becoming available. The
>> hope is that the operators that are around today see this and position or
>> align themselves (because yes Charles, the cold reality does hit you pretty
>> quiickly!) to take advantage of this as soon as they can. And that doesn't
>> mean just for the distribution side of their network. The backhaul, the
>> routing, the switching, all have to be in place for this to operate
>> properly.  All too often have a seen pieced together WISPS fail due to bad
>> switching equipment .. "well heck, this Netgear switch is only $59!!"
>> 
>> Jack, I truly appreciate your perspective on this and I completely
>> understand the side of it you are coming from. True, the amount of
>> unlicensed space that is out there curre

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

[Drew Lentz]

PureWave
Aperto
Vecima

Three off the top of my head.

-d


On 11/24/08 10:32 PM, "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value" decision. If
> there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could support 1000 subscribers,
> I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it today. There is a real "gap" in the
> products that are available on the market:
> 
> At the bottom = Linksys
> Next = Mikrotik
> Next = Trango, Canopy, etc
> 
> Top = licensed Alvarion, Redline, etc.
> 
> This is the market that is not being served. There are plenty of backhaul
> solutions, router solutions, etc. but the very last mile AP/CPE for the
> "higher end" is what is missing. I'm not interested in paying $50,000 per base
> station (Alvarion WiMax), but I don't want to pay $10,000 for a solution that
> uses an entire band (Canopy 5700 for example) and only delivers 84Mbps of
> total capacity (when even lower end products can deliver 2x or 3x that in the
> same spectrum).
> 
> So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last 2-3 years?
> Did everyone stop normal R&D to focus on WiMax?
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> Butch Evans wrote:
>>  
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>  
>>>  
>>> Where has the innovation in the last few years gone?
>>> 
>>>  
>>  
>> 
>> How many in this industry bitch and moan over the cost of gear?  How
>> many would purchase an AP at under $200 and STILL think that's too
>> high?  How many in this industry are willing to purchase something
>> JUST BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER?  Look at how many people in this
>> industry are using DSL as a transport to the Internet.
>> 
>> Answer THOSE questions and you'll begin the see the answer to YOUR
>> question.  The problem isn't just "us".  The "big boys" have been
>> busy trying to drive pricing levels down in an attempt to "buy the
>> market".  And too many of "us" have decided that we have to compete
>> on price alone, so we found ways to cut cost by buying cheaper gear
>> (there are 2 WISPs within a 30 minute drive of my house that are
>> selling service using Linksys gear for APs).  There is at least 3
>> WISPs whose service would cover my house that have DSL for their
>> internet connection.  I'm not condemming the practice as much as I
>> am attempting to illustrate WHY the innovation is leaving the
>> industry.  It is NOT gone.  It just doesn't exist in the price range
>> that MOST people are willing to pay (WISPs, that is).
>> 
>>   
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Drew Lentz]

ducts and some WISP owners aren't planning and
> deploying properly but even when vendors do innovate and WISP owners
> plan properly, SPECTRUM IS STILL NEEDED or the wireless physics won't
> work and the wireless throughput still won't be delivered.
> 
> Again, this isn't personal. I just refuse to allow this discussion to be
> thrown off-track because the wireless physical foundation is not
> understood. If we go off-track then the problem won't be properly
> addressed and it can't be properly solved.  I appreciate your good
> business analysis but I will keep trying to the best of my ability to
> address the underlying issue so WISPs stand a chance of being successful
> now and into the future as end-user throughput needs continue to increase.
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> jack
> 
> 
> Drew Lentz wrote:
>> This is the statement that got me:
>>   
>>> One argument that I have had people tell me, is that the ISP should know
>>> this is coming and should have planned for it.
>>> 
>> 
>> Whether it is through watching the amount of bandwidth used over periods of
>> time as a trend or doing market research to find out what is coming down the
>> line in technology, this statement holds pretty strong. Best practices tell
>> you to build your network for your needs tomorrow, not for today, not for
>> yesterday.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Drew Lentz]

This is the statement that got me:
> One argument that I have had people tell me, is that the ISP should know
> this is coming and should have planned for it.

Whether it is through watching the amount of bandwidth used over periods of
time as a trend or doing market research to find out what is coming down the
line in technology, this statement holds pretty strong. Best practices tell
you to build your network for your needs tomorrow, not for today, not for
yesterday.







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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Drew Lentz]

> Charging a customer by their actually usage is the most 'real' method of
> billing.  In fact the unlimited model is the artificial one that is used
> to entice people into buying.  If the customer always fully utilized
> their $30/month worth of bandwidth you would go broke.

That is a great point. Look at the Cell industry and the push to "unlimited"
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Drew Lentz]

Jack,

You are absolutely right about this. In the first email you asked if that
had been figured in to my thinking of open unfiltered access. It has.
Spectrum is a valuable resource and there is only so much of it to go around
in each of the allocated frequency sets that are available today. As you
said in your email:

"It's not a question of fitting the "business model"; it's a question of
fitting today's current technology model. With limited license-free
frequency availability, a WISP can only serve X amount of bandwidth to Y
number of customers."

Two points here:
1. Today's technology does limit the amount of bandwidth per AP and the
amount of simultaneous subs per ap .. But that is today's technology.
Although pushing the manufacturer can help this situation, it can't solve it
by itself. With most Aps supporting only a 20Mb backplane, your point is
very clear. With 3.65 availabity and 50 MHz of spectrum now available ..
(ok, 25 for now, fair is fair) and TVWS on edge of realization, I think the
spectrum will start to open up. Unless there are new modulation schemes
adapted and applied to take advantage of the used and abused 2 and 5 GHz
spaces, I think this is our best bet. Today's technology does have its
limitations, but tomorrows will not.

2. License-free spectrum.
This is not a licensed-free only issue. Now that WISPs have access to other
bands available, and there have been partnership opportunities available for
some in the MMDS/ITFS (BRS/EBS .. Whatever ;)) range, this takes the chains
of working in unlicensed spectrum away from those who have been held by it
for so long. Again, the equipment performance plays here too, but it is
definetly a trend that hopefully will play out nicely.

As spectrum becomes available and the devices are created and pushed to
market to support the higher usage requirements of consumer products, it
will start to become even more competitive in the very near future.

-d


On 11/24/08 12:10 PM, "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> There are real physical limits to the amount of throughput that a radio
> channel (X MHz wide) can handle. Ranting at manufacturers isn't going to
> change this very much. You can only flow so much water through a pipe.
> Increase the pressure without increasing the pipe diameter and the pipe
> bursts. This issue is physics-based so ranting may make you feel better
> but when you're done, the same physical constraints remain.  This is why
> having enough spectrum space (enough channels) is so important. Bottom
> line is WISPs don't have enough spectrum space to deliver all that
> throughput reliably to all those customers without creating interference
> for every other network operator out there.
> 
> jack
> 
> 
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> This is why we need gear capable of higher throughputs.  Too many
>> WISPs out there don't press their manufacturers.  They'd rather just put up
>> a couple Canopy radios and complain on a list about how they can't deliver
>> X, Y, or Z to a customer.
>> 
>> I have complained to manufacturers.  WiMAX is NOT the answer we are looking
>> for.  Most of the gear being released in the US is using small channel
>> sizes, so small throughput.
>> 
>> I will not purchase another AP unless it is able to deliver 40 mbit of
>> throughput, end of story.  Fortunately for me, they're out there...
>> Mikrotik can (though uses a lot of spectrum).  Deliberant is working on it.
>> I believe the new Canopy is close.
>> 
>> Orthogon can do 300 mbit in 30 MHz...  expensive, but it can be done.  Where
>> are the engineers at the other companies?  Where are the PtMP products?  I
>> haven't purchased any of their products, but from what I hear, Deliberant is
>> going to do 70 mbit in 20 MHz by spring.  Not as good as Orthogon, but a lot
>> better than anyone else out there.  20 MHz of WiMAX could produce acceptable
>> speeds, but no one is doing it.
>> 
>> Buying an $8k WiMAX AP that only does 15 megabit sounds like a
>> great idea!I could MAYBE see $8k for a TV whitespaces AP that
>> supported bonding of several channels (say 4 or 5)...  In 3650 or 5 gig, no
>> thanks.
>> 
>> Where has the innovation in the last few years gone?
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>> 
>>   
>>> In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to
>>> provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users.  Not only
>>> can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your
>>> computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it
>>> mainstream for many who have never used it.  Not to mention the super
>>> low cost of basically $9 bucks a month!
>>> 
>>> I have been using it for a few

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Drew Lentz]

In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place for
some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type
service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of
service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the service
providers will fall into line, I believe.

Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come from
the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device
requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into a
decision of higher consumption.

As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it all
that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the communications
mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services required.
Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it will
continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per MB
over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like.

That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's Bullet,
the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators the
ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction of
the cost. 

I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. Fiber to
the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave,
Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically important to
aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data.

  


On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again left
> in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available connection
> at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't get
> it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay $1200/mth
> for each cell tower to put them on.
> 
> Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these companies that
> are making million's of dollars more than we are?
> 
> Scottie
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600
> 
>> I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is,
>> to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit
>> the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its
>> time to change the model.
>> 
>> This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks
>> that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the
>> customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to
>> be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last
>> year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your
>> current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be
>> someone else who can.
>> 
>> There is some great info here from a recent conference:
>> http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008
>> 
>> Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it breaks
>> down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household:
>> 35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!)
>> 4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps
>> 2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps
>> 2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps
>> 1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps
>> 1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps
>> 
>> Scary how quickly it adds up :)
>> 
>> My favorite quote:
>> ³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than
>> entire Internet in 1995²
>> 
>> -d
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of
>>>> bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost
>>>> effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone
>>>> wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month
>>>> (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.).
>>>> 
>>>> Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to
>>>> be "free" as they think now when they get a $150/month internet
>>>> bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;)
>>> 
>>> Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8
>>> 

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Drew Lentz]

I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is,
to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit
the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its
time to change the model.

This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks
that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the
customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to
be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last
year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your
current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be
someone else who can.

There is some great info here from a recent conference:
http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008

Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it breaks
down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household:
35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!)
4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps
2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps
2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps
1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps
1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps

Scary how quickly it adds up :)

My favorite quote:
³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than
entire Internet in 1995²

-d


On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
> 
>> It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of
>> bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost
>> effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone
>> wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month
>> (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.).
>> 
>> Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to
>> be "free" as they think now when they get a $150/month internet
>> bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;)
> 
> Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here:
> http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8
> 
> Or a better story:
> http://news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html
> 
> I am glad to see these types of reports coming out.  The cable ops
> and telcos have been rapidly trying to commoditize Internet access
> services and now they are realizing how stupid that was.  In my
> opinion, high profile companies that are setting these limits are
> going to help the smaller guys (that's us) "get away" with what, in
> many cases, we were already doing.  BW caps are something that will
> HAVE to happen in one form or another.
> 
> 
> Where are all the net neutrality people now?  Why aren't you all
> arguing that something like this is not relevant?  Isn't this
> something that you have all asked for?  I mean, if I sell someone a
> 2 meg connection, shouldn't they (and everyone else on the system)
> be able to run at 2 meg for the whole month?  What difference does
> it make if I am buying a wireless connection, DSL or cable
> connection?  In a net neutral environment, should it matter that I
> am streaming this type of content?
> 
> 
> I feel better.  ;-)





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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Drew Lentz]

I have been streaming Netflix movies as well as Hulu and CBS content for
quite sometime now on the Xbox using MediaMall's PlayOn. It is a great piece
of free (for now) software that lets you interface to major content
providers from a laptop to your Xbox 360. The numbers are about the same as
the Netflix content, maybe a little less. Anyhow, this trend of streaming
video sure is coming along nicely. I cancelled my cable months ago and get
all of my movies and TV off of the web (Family Guy and the Office via
Hulu!!) I hope no one is still paying for tiered services on Frac DS3s ...
Ouch!!!

-d


On 11/23/08 4:23 PM, "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK, but if you look at Dennis's data, it appears to me that the average was
> in the hundreds of K.
> But maybe I didn't read it correctly.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Baird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
> 
> 
>> Chuck it won't work, here are some more specifics, on the codecs
>> utilized and bandwidth requirements.
>> The bottom two streams 500/1000k are pretty low quality. We are a
>> facilities based CLEC and have done a bit of testing with the Roku's,
>> for product bundles.
>> 
>> http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html
>> 
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>> 
>>> Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained
>>> 256Kbps it would work?
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to
 provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users.  Not only
 can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your
 computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it
 mainstream for many who have never used it.  Not to mention the super
 low cost of basically $9 bucks a month!
 
 I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox
 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs.  Soon as you hear, gigs, you
 may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video
 stream.  So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are
 interested in how much bandwidth this service uses!   A
 
 You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp.   Feel free
 to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions!
 
 --
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Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor

[Drew Lentz]

NP.
It was definitely a unique operation and a bunch of fun to work with.

-drew


On 11/18/08 10:57 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes - look at the presentation in PDF format. It shows several climbers
> bringing it up!
> 
> Drew - that was great to look at.  Thanks for sharing!
> 
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> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> So the super shelters were on the towers?
>> 
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Drew Lentz
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:37 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
>> 
>> If anyone cares to see it, I dug up the presentation I did at Broadband
>> Wireless World 2005 (when it was still independent! Haha) and converted
>> it to PDF. It's got pics of the enclosures on there and it was
>> previously published so I should be in the clear from my old boss!
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> You can get it here:
>> http://www.drewlentz.com/BWW05-Rioplex-Drew.pdf
>> 
>> It's about 9.5MB
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/18/08 9:56 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I would absolutely love to see pictures of that.  Makes me want to
>>> make my way to Texas =)
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel "garage
>>>> refrigerators"
>>>> to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!!
>>>> 
>>>> Here's another one:
>>>> I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did
>>>> with our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we
>>>> ended up with "data centers in the sky" which were 12 1/2' tall by 3
>> 1/2' wide and 3'
>>>> deep. They weighed 3,600 pounds, contained Navini BTS equipment, a
>>>> serial interface router, a Cisco Catalyst 5505, remote power cycling
>>>> equipment and
>>>> 2 RV air conditioners.  You entered through the bottom of the "box"
>>>> and there was a catwalk underneath the entrance for safety! They were
>> 1/2"
>>>> steel
>>>> lined with Kevlar (it's Texas!!) and blown over with polyurethane!
>>>> 
>>>> All this at 460 feet AGL on 480' guyed towers. We saved a TON (ha!)
>>>> on cable costs @ 27 runs of LMR-900 each at 500'.
>>>> 
>>>> We later moved on to a 9' cylinder design that had 2 19" racks on
>>>> either side of the entrance on the bottom.
>>>> 
>>>> I think all but 1 of them have been taken down, but that 1 has been
>>>> through
>>>> 2 hurricanes and is still serving clients!
>>>> 
>>>> -d
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/18/08 9:01 PM, "CHUCK  PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment
>>>> refrigerators,
>>>>> and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. ,
>>>>> no freezer/ ice compartment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chuck Profito
>>>>> 209-988-7388
>>>>> CV-ACCESS, INC
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> Providing High Speed Broadband
>>>>> to Rural Central California
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>>>>> On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA Genera

Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor

[Drew Lentz]

If anyone cares to see it, I dug up the presentation I did at Broadband
Wireless World 2005 (when it was still independent! Haha) and converted it
to PDF. It's got pics of the enclosures on there and it was previously
published so I should be in the clear from my old boss! Enjoy!

You can get it here:
http://www.drewlentz.com/BWW05-Rioplex-Drew.pdf

It's about 9.5MB


On 11/18/08 9:56 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would absolutely love to see pictures of that.  Makes me want to make my
> way to Texas =)
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel "garage
>> refrigerators"
>> to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!!
>> 
>> Here's another one:
>> I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did with
>> our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we ended up with
>> "data centers in the sky" which were 12 1/2' tall by 3 1/2' wide and 3'
>> deep. They weighed 3,600 pounds, contained Navini BTS equipment, a serial
>> interface router, a Cisco Catalyst 5505, remote power cycling equipment and
>> 2 RV air conditioners.  You entered through the bottom of the "box" and
>> there was a catwalk underneath the entrance for safety! They were 1/2"
>> steel
>> lined with Kevlar (it's Texas!!) and blown over with polyurethane!
>> 
>> All this at 460 feet AGL on 480' guyed towers. We saved a TON (ha!) on
>> cable
>> costs @ 27 runs of LMR-900 each at 500'.
>> 
>> We later moved on to a 9' cylinder design that had 2 19" racks on either
>> side of the entrance on the bottom.
>> 
>> I think all but 1 of them have been taken down, but that 1 has been through
>> 2 hurricanes and is still serving clients!
>> 
>> -d
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/18/08 9:01 PM, "CHUCK  PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment
>> refrigerators,
>>> and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no
>>> freezer/ ice compartment.
>>> 
>>> Chuck Profito
>>> 209-988-7388
>>> CV-ACCESS, INC
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Providing High Speed Broadband
>>> to Rural Central California
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
>>> 
>>> I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his
>> sites!
>>> 
>>> I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites.
>>> 
>>> ryan
>>> 
>>> Jack Unger wrote:
>>>> Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention.
>>>> 
>>>> Drew Lentz wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following
>>>>> photograph taken this weekend:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border
>>> in
>>>>> South Texas! Igloo Coolers!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor

[Drew Lentz]

We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel "garage refrigerators"
to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!!

Here's another one:
I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did with
our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we ended up with
"data centers in the sky" which were 12 1/2' tall by 3 1/2' wide and 3'
deep. They weighed 3,600 pounds, contained Navini BTS equipment, a serial
interface router, a Cisco Catalyst 5505, remote power cycling equipment and
2 RV air conditioners.  You entered through the bottom of the "box" and
there was a catwalk underneath the entrance for safety! They were 1/2" steel
lined with Kevlar (it's Texas!!) and blown over with polyurethane!

All this at 460 feet AGL on 480' guyed towers. We saved a TON (ha!) on cable
costs @ 27 runs of LMR-900 each at 500'.

We later moved on to a 9' cylinder design that had 2 19" racks on either
side of the entrance on the bottom.

I think all but 1 of them have been taken down, but that 1 has been through
2 hurricanes and is still serving clients!

-d


On 11/18/08 9:01 PM, "CHUCK  PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment refrigerators,
> and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no
> freezer/ ice compartment.
> 
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-ACCESS, INC
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Providing High Speed Broadband
> to Rural Central California
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
> 
> I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites!
> 
> I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites.
> 
> ryan
> 
> Jack Unger wrote:
>> Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention.
>> 
>> Drew Lentz wrote:
>>   
>>> Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following
>>> photograph taken this weekend:
>>> 
>>> The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border
> in
>>> South Texas! Igloo Coolers!
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Bullet

[Drew Lentz]

I've got my hands on a couple of em. What kind of results are you all  
wanting to know? So far so good from what I hear from one of the techs  
in the field: 40 MHz channel @ ~4 miles with a NanoStation 5 as the AP  
in  downtown area - LOS.

On Nov 8, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:

> And their distributors are?
> - Original Message -
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>> Nope they have not shipped the first batch out yet expected to ship  
>> next
>> week to their distributors.
>>
>> /Eje
>> --Original Message--
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>> I didn't know they had shipped any
>>
>> RickG wrote:
>>> Anyone using the Ubiquity Bullet?
>>> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

[Drew Lentz]

I saw Wu running around with something like this at WiMax World .. might 
wanna ask him ;-)

-drew

Chuck McCown wrote:
> I hear rumors of a stinger like antenna being developed for the NS2...
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
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>   
>> I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
>> have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
>> I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.
>>
>> The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
>> "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any
>> stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the
>> states is going to be beta.
>>
>> Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
>> if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
>> replacement.  :^)
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> 
>>> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
>>> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
>>> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.
>>>
>>> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products,
>>> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for
>>> Canopy but they have their place.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

[Drew Lentz]

I am more excited about the "Bullet".  I think that is an extremely 
disruptive device and would love to see how this begins to change up the 
game. As a CPE, I see great things for this .. how long before the 
"WiMax Bullet" is available from UBNT?

-d
Chuck McCown wrote:
> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA 
> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.
>
> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products, 
> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for 
> Canopy but they have their place.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
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>   
>> They are out to win the market, they really understand how to sling
>> gear to wisps  =)I hope very much that they have the supply issue
>> fixed, and anyone who has stock can email me anytime ;-)
>>
>> Anyone have betas and put them to real world tests?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Not meaning to sound like an ad here...
>>>
>>> Has anyone else come out with so many products so fast as Ubiquiti?
>>>
>>> I just got an email from them announcing 4 new product lines with radios 
>>> without antennas at $39 and cheaper NanoStations at $49.
>>>
>>> Post reviews if anyone gets any of these.  I wonder if they've solved 
>>> their supply line issues...
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas

[Drew Lentz]

I dont want to sound like a commercial on the list until everything is  
squared away with our vendor membership but you can contact me off- 
list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-)

thanks!

-drew
On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Drew,
>
> Who sells/stocks  it?
>
> I also saw someone was selling what looked like the MTI Dual pol  
> 25dbi for
> about $200, I think it was wlanparts.com. Thats starting to get  
> affordable.
>
> I'm fine with Dual Pol dishes for $225, its a lot of metal. Plus there
> usually needed for more critical links. Also used more often on  
> tower sites
> where I get charge per antenna.
> However, when a standard panel is only $50, it can't be that more  
> expensive
> to add a couple more elements for the second pol.
> Clearly a lot of markup fat in the price model.  I think there is a  
> huge
> market for the dual pol Panels at sub $150, but at $250, a WISP  
> really has
> to think about whether its worth their while, when they can just  
> install two
> single pol antennas side by side. Expecially if isntalled on  
> customer roofs
> where there aren;t colo fees. I see no reasons that the smaller gain  
> panels
> couldn't be made and sold for sub $125.  Don't get me wrong, its  
> still good
> news to learn of new DP panels available as option.  Trango also has  
> their
> external model, but its about $300.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Drew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas
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>
>> A product I really like for dual-pole is the Mars  WA56-DP25N. It's a
>> pretty inexpensive panel from 4.9 - 5.875 @ 25dBi .. There are 2
>> versions, 1 is the antenna alone, the other is with an enclosure.  
>> Its ~
>> $260.  I know its not $150, but its not too bad!
>>
>> -d
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Mike Brownson wrote:
>>
>>> A broadband dual pol dish will work from 5.2 to 5.9Ghz.  You'll get
>>> the same gain on both polarities.  But there's noting I know of less
>>> than $150.  Usually dual pol dishes are used where you may need a
>>> higher quality antenna, so all the manufacturers I know of
>>> (RadioWaves, Maxrad, Pac Wireless) for dual pol are the higher grade
>>> varieties.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Blair Davis
>>> Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 8:41 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas
>>>
>>>
>>> All this talk about Dual Pol feedhorns has got me curious
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a dual pol antenna...
>>>
>>> What I need is H-Pol on 5.3GHz band with 18db or more of gain and V-
>>> Pol on 5.8GHz with 15db or more of gain.  A narrow beam width is a
>>> plus.
>>>
>>> A grid or a dish will be fine.  I'd like to keep the price down as
>>> if it is over $150 or so, it really won't be cost effective.  I can
>>> mount 2 antennas at this location if I have to.
>>>
>>> This is for a short link, about 2000ft, but it will be at the end of
>>> about 50ft of LMR-400.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any ideas
>>>
>>> Blair
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas

[Drew Lentz]

A product I really like for dual-pole is the Mars  WA56-DP25N. It's a  
pretty inexpensive panel from 4.9 - 5.875 @ 25dBi .. There are 2  
versions, 1 is the antenna alone, the other is with an enclosure. Its ~ 
$260.  I know its not $150, but its not too bad!

-d


On Sep 25, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Mike Brownson wrote:

> A broadband dual pol dish will work from 5.2 to 5.9Ghz.  You'll get  
> the same gain on both polarities.  But there's noting I know of less  
> than $150.  Usually dual pol dishes are used where you may need a  
> higher quality antenna, so all the manufacturers I know of  
> (RadioWaves, Maxrad, Pac Wireless) for dual pol are the higher grade  
> varieties.
>
> Mike
>
> 
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Blair Davis
> Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 8:41 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas
>
>
> All this talk about Dual Pol feedhorns has got me curious
>
> I'm looking for a dual pol antenna...
>
> What I need is H-Pol on 5.3GHz band with 18db or more of gain and V- 
> Pol on 5.8GHz with 15db or more of gain.  A narrow beam width is a  
> plus.
>
> A grid or a dish will be fine.  I'd like to keep the price down as  
> if it is over $150 or so, it really won't be cost effective.  I can  
> mount 2 antennas at this location if I have to.
>
> This is for a short link, about 2000ft, but it will be at the end of  
> about 50ft of LMR-400.
>
> Thanks for any ideas
>
> Blair
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Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz

[Drew Lentz]

We operated in 2.5/6 with Navini and saw some great results. I know that 
it is a different monster than 3.65, but I guess the point that I was 
trying to make was the overall difference in using a robust product, 
like what's available in 3.65, vs using off the shelf or even Moto 900. 
I completely understand the terrain variance in the different parts of 
the US and as such, the signal prop will vary based on the type of 
deployment, the area of coverage, etc. However, what I have seen and 
heard in the 3.65 space excites me because of the characteristics of the 
equipment, the available power, and the amount of bandwidth available to 
the end-user. I agree that the jury is still out because of the lack of 
large-scale deployments, but I really like what I am seeing and hearing 
so far.

While 900 is a killer freq to have in areas like you were speaking of, 
because of its propagation through high forestation etc, a small micro 
cell deployment of 3.65 in those same areas can yield higher throughputs 
and greater availability of low-cost CPE (when they get approved and on 
the market) to the end-users.  I guess I'm just a fan of larger systems :)

-d


jeffrey thomas wrote:
> Jack,
>
> Drew is an operator who is already deployed with Airspan, I believe.
> Is this correct Drew? 
>
> Yes, forested areas always present a challenge, whether its 900, 700,
> 3.65ghz,
> 5.8ghz, etc etc.
>
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> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:53:12 -0700, "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>   
>> Drew,
>>
>> Are you drawing your conclusions based on 3.65 deployments in other 
>> parts of the world? I ask because it's hard to imagine that there are 
>> already enough 3.65 deployments in the U.S. to draw all your conclusions.
>>
>> Also, physics is still physics. Even given advanced antenna systems, 
>> nLOS and NLOS performance at 3.65 is still going to be limited by hills 
>> and trees. No matter how advanced the APs and antenna systems, I find it 
>> very hard to believe that 3.65 is going to approach the performance of 
>> 900 MHz inside of (or on the other side of) a forested area.
>>
>>
>> jack
>>
>>
>> Drew Lentz wrote:
>> 
>>> I completely disagree with you on this topic. 3.65 makes a great play in 
>>> a rural setting. I have spoken with many different groups who are 
>>> capitalizing exactly on what benefits this frequency space offers in 
>>> these environments. The price tags are not as high as you think, and the 
>>> return on it is far greater than just how quickly your money comes back 
>>> in. The ability to provide high bandwidth services in a space where you 
>>> can control the QoS and give your end-users the ability (soon) to choose 
>>> their own client device, at least to me, makes more sense than using a 
>>> lightweight product like 900. As fas as battling terrain changes, look 
>>> again at the nLOS and NLOS characteristics of 3.65 .. not to mention 
>>> mobility and the self-install CPE.
>>>
>>> -d
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Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz

[Drew Lentz]

I completely disagree with you on this topic. 3.65 makes a great play in 
a rural setting. I have spoken with many different groups who are 
capitalizing exactly on what benefits this frequency space offers in 
these environments. The price tags are not as high as you think, and the 
return on it is far greater than just how quickly your money comes back 
in. The ability to provide high bandwidth services in a space where you 
can control the QoS and give your end-users the ability (soon) to choose 
their own client device, at least to me, makes more sense than using a 
lightweight product like 900. As fas as battling terrain changes, look 
again at the nLOS and NLOS characteristics of 3.65 .. not to mention 
mobility and the self-install CPE.

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Re: [WISPA] Chrysler to make wifi hotspot cars

[Drew Lentz]

It's not just Verizon though. AutoNet has agreements in place with  
both Verizon and Sprint. Now with the Verizon acquisition of Alltel  
and the announcement of EV-DO availability on their network, it makes  
it even stronger. Furthernore, while this is primarily EV-DO for  
broadband, there is still support for their 1xRTT service, which has a  
larger national footprint than the EV-DO area.

At $29 a month though, it seems like a fancy accessory vs. something  
that everyone would subscribe to. The price point is a little high,  
especially when you factor in how more Americans are spending LESS  
time in their vehicles than ever..

-drew
On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I can drive to downtown Chicago in under an hour on a good day and  
> Verizon
> EVDO isn't available here...
>
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> From: "Bryan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Chrysler to make wifi hotspot cars
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>>
>> On Jun 26, 2008, at 8:27 AM, Drew Lentz wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> #3. With linking the cars directly to the "cellular telephone  
>>> links",
>>> what effect WILL this have on WISPs? What happens when Verizon  
>>> rolls-
>>> out the "in your car and in your home" package that rolls the EV-DO
>>> card into your monthly bill and you now don't have a need for a pipe
>>> at your home?
>>
>> A few answers.
>>
>> 1) Not everyone will move to Verizon (no iPhone ;) ), and EV-DO isn't
>> everywhere.  Many of us support rural areas where Verizon still
>> doesn't exist (although with this Alltel acquisition pending, they'll
>> be closer).
>>
>> 2) Many of our subscribers like to keep the money local (I hear  
>> that a
>> lot).  That's one reason they're our customers in the first place,  
>> and
>> a good reason for them to stay if we provide service superior to that
>> of the cell companies.
>>
>> 3) Gas costs too much for people to keep the car running to keep the
>> hotspot up.  :)
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Re: [WISPA] Chrysler to make wifi hotspot cars

[Drew Lentz]

More info from today's press release:

Mopar(R) Launches Industry-First -- uconnect web(TM) Brings Wireless  
Internet Connectivity to Chrysler, Jeep(R) and Dodge Consumers
- uconnect web(TM), Chrysler LLC's in-vehicle wireless Internet  
connectivity system, transforms a Chrysler, Jeep(R) or Dodge vehicle  
into a mobile WiFi "hot spot", - Secure and reliable high-speed  
Internet connectivity enhances the customer experience by

By Mopar(R)

AUBURN HILLS, MICH., JUNE 26 --Mopar(R) announced today that it will  
launch uconnect web(TM), Chrysler LLC's in-vehicle wireless Internet  
connectivity for Chrysler, Jeep(R) and Dodge consumers in the U.S.  
uconnect web, powered by Autonet Mobile, delivers continuous Internet  
connectivity to all vehicle passengers for entertainment and real-time  
information access on the go.
uconnect web will be available in August as a dealer-installed Mopar  
Accessory. Mopar is Chrysler LLC's original equipment parts  
manufacturer and distributor.
The industry-first technology provides high-speed data transfer,  
combining WiFi and 3G connectivity. uconnect web transforms the  
vehicle into a mobile "hot spot," delivering unlimited, reliable and  
uninterrupted Internet connectivity for all passengers in and around  
the vehicle. The "hot spot" connection radius is approximately 100  
feet -- making it convenient to access the Internet at a soccer field  
or family picnic.

Wherever cellular service is available, uconnect web enables all  
vehicle passengers to simultaneously connect with WiFi-enabled devices  
like a laptop, iPhone, Sony Playstation (PSP), PDA and more to:


 -- access the Internet for e-mail, chat and IM
 -- view streaming movies or television shows
 -- download music and download/upload images
 -- play online games

"Mopar's uconnect web brings a new level of convenience and technology  
to our Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles," said Rob Richard, Director  
- Mopar Part Sales and Service Marketing, Chrysler LLC. "With uconnect  
web, all passengers in or near the vehicle are continuously connected  
to the Internet. They can make dinner reservations, check directions  
or weather, make online purchases, surf Facebook, MySpace, Disney or  
Webkinz, watch the latest YouTube videos, upload photos to a Flickr  
account -- all at the same time."

"uconnect web goes beyond today's DVD and GPS solutions, letting  
passengers extend their Internet lifestyle to the car," said Sterling  
Pratz, CEO of San Francisco-based Autonet Mobile. "The Internet is the  
future of in-car entertainment. We're delighted to be working with  
Chrysler LLC to deliver the first WiFi Internet access that lets  
families, business and leisure travelers stay connected."

The U.S. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for the router  
module is $449. Dealer installation is estimated at approximately  
$35-50. Autonet Mobile offers wireless Internet account service at $29  
a month, available in 12-, 24- and 36-month service plans. There is a  
one-time $35 service activation fee. Customer support assistance for  
hardware and service is available.


Run over integrated 3G and 2.5G (EVDO, 1xRTT) cellular data networks,  
the router module with antenna hard-mounts in any vehicle. High-speed  
Internet access ranges from 400-800 Kbps/sec., with upload speeds  
averaging 400 Kbps/sec. The WiFi connection is secured with WEP  
encryption, MAC address restriction or WAN port restriction.  
Compatible with all operating systems supporting WiFi including  
Windows, Mac, Linux and Solaris, no special software is required.
About Autonet Mobile
Autonet Mobile is the first wireless Internet service provider for  
vehicles. Founded by a corporate executive and former race car driver  
and a leading network architect and designer, the company is dedicated  
to enhancing the in-car experience, by bringing the power of the  
Internet to the 200+ million cars on the road in the U.S. Autonet  
Mobile currently provides Avis Rent a Car with the Avis Connect  
service and is used by Storm Chasers, NASCAR and others. For more  
information about Autonet Mobile visit www.autonetmobile.com.

70 Years of Mopar

When Chrysler bought Dodge in 1928, the need for a dedicated parts  
manufacturer, supplier and distribution system to support the growing  
enterprise led to the formation of the Chrysler Motor Parts  
Corporation (CMPC) in 1929.

Originally used in the 1920s, Mopar (a simple contraction of the words  
MOtor and PARts) was trademarked for a line of antifreeze products in  
1937. It was also widely used as a moniker for the CMPC. The Mopar  
brand made its mark in the 1960s -- the muscle car era. The Chrysler  
Corporation built race-ready Dodge and Plymouth "package cars"  
equipped with special high-performance parts. Mopar carried a line of  
"Special Parts" for super stock drag racers and developed its racing  
parts division called Mopar Performance Parts to enhance speed

Re: [WISPA] Chrysler to make wifi hotspot cars

[Drew Lentz]

My questions...

#1. Noise floor anyone? 20 cars at an intersection all blaring 2.4 @  
20dBm or so? Metro Wi-Fi, ouch...
#2. Why cut off the guy in front of you when you can disable his cars  
main computer with a handy gumstick type pc designed specifically to  
break into a cars networks? :)
#3. With linking the cars directly to the "cellular telephone links",  
what effect WILL this have on WISPs? What happens when Verizon rolls- 
out the "in your car and in your home" package that rolls the EV-DO  
card into your monthly bill and you now don't have a need for a pipe  
at your home?


On Jun 26, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Rogelio wrote:

> In your opinion, does this solution leave room for WISPs to sell these
> customers services?
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D91H88101.htm
>
> ***
> People who buy Chrysler LLC vehicles next year will have the option of
> turning their cars and trucks into wireless Internet hotspots.
>
> The company plans to announce Thursday that the feature will be
> available as part of its "uconnect" system that will debut in most  
> 2009
> Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep models.
>
> The wireless Internet will come as a dealer-installed option and will
> work over cellular telephone links. It will come with a monthly fee
> which has not yet been determined, spokesman Todd Goyer said.
>
> Goyer said people will be able to use laptop computers in their cars  
> and
> trucks just as if they were in an office or home.
>
> To access the Internet, vehicles will need to have "uconnect"  
> hardware,
> which Chrysler will unveil to compete with Ford's "Sync" and other
> in-car electronic systems.
>
> The uconnect system will link cellular telephones and personal music
> players to the car's onboard electronics, with the ability to  
> control an
> Apple iPod with radio and steering wheel controls. The system also has
> navigation and real-time traffic features, controlled by voice
> recognition or a touch screen.
>
> It also includes the company's in-car 30-gigabyte hard drive, with
> options for three-channel satellite television service and satellite  
> radio.
>
> Goyer said the wireless system will work while vehicles are moving so
> they can be used by passengers.
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Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell

[Drew Lentz]

Please send! That would be great :)
Thanks Patrick! Hope all is well!

-drew



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Re: [WISPA] Hutton...

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Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100

[Drew Lentz]

Canopy 400.

-d

Chuck McCown - 2 wrote:
> Is that canopy or alvarion results?
> - Original Message - 
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> *21 Mbps @ ~1.25 Miles
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100

[Drew Lentz]

*21 Mbps @ ~1.25 Miles

-d
Gino Villarini wrote:
> Too bad ...
>
> Might want to check out the new Canopy 400 PTMP with 21 Mbps OFDM Radios
>
> Gino A. Villarini
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:10 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
>
> Hi, someone here have some idea how to solve the problems i~m getting
> with the Alvarion VL gear?
>
> I bought some AU and SU 5.4ghz and a B100 5.8ghz 100mbits) ffor  a ~5
> miles link, for start replacing my motorola canopy network ( we now
> need more troughtput and pps ).
>
>
> I first deployed the AU with a 120º Sector  and a 4 Su 6mbit version,
> the Su ara really easy to align but i got latency and upload traffic
> problems, i can get a steady 5mbits downstream but about no upstream
> traffic.i already tried change the modulation lavels, atpc, tx power,
> all freqs , lower the channel bandwidth. available but no go.
>
> Today i deployed the B100 and i´m having the same issues as the VL
> gear. but worse, only a spiky 3 ~4mbits downstream traffic and about
> 2mbits upstream for a radio capable of almost 70mbits, whats is a
> shame. We are in a very crowded area, but the motorola canopy works
> perfectly in that area, but we got troughput issues with canopy.
>
> anyone here had problems like that with the Alvarion gear in a
> crownded 5ghz area?
> in the same area we could manage to work a Airlive Wla5000 (802.11a
> radio) from ovislink to work better then the Alvarion.
>
> Thanks in advice.
>
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Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaper available -- link

[Drew Lentz]

Great work Patrick! When I stopped by the FCC booth at CTIA to ask about 
3650 licensing, I was met with blank stares. I asked if they had any 
plans on distributing information about it and I swear some of the guys 
had no idea it was even available.

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Re: [WISPA] comparison of mesh products

[Drew Lentz]

I've worked with most of em. Hit me off list if you want a general 
comparison :)

-d

Rogelio wrote:
> I am researching mesh vendors, particularly the best ones in public safety
> environments (Strix, Firetide, Tropos, BelAir, etc)
>
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> find some sort of product matrix of all of the various products.
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations

[Drew Lentz]

Sorry to double post. Yes they work in AP mode and the polarity can be 
chosen, h, v, or auto. Auto wouldn't make much sense on the AP side, but 
for clients it's killer.

The config I am wanting to play with is a dual-pol config (6xHoriz, 
6xVert) plus 2 (external omni's). I realize the RF nightmare that it 
would create, but if there is a way to do it, it would be (in a Jeff 
Spicoli voice) awesome.

-d


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Do the Nanostations work as APs?  I'm very interested in also finding out
> whether polarity can be set as an AP.  If they can be I think this is the
> solution I've been looking for to change out my old tower equipment (esp.
> at that price!  <$1000 to run a 2.4/5.8 tower).
>
> Also, does anyone have a manual or any more info about this AirOS?
>
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:00:45 -0600, Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all.
>>
>> Thanks,
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>> -drew
>>
>> Smith, Rick wrote:
>> 
>>> Where'd you get em ?   No one can find any stock anywhere,
>>> and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Behalf Of Drew Lentz
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
>>>
>>> There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a
>>>
>>> new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first
>>>
>>> 2 and am going to run them through the ringer.
>>> I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of
>>> you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me
>>> off list and I will give you the details.
>>>
>>> The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE
>>> units.
>>>
>>> They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version.
>>> http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php
>>> http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php
>>>
>>> -drew
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations

[Drew Lentz]

They will support AP, Client, Client bridge.

-drew


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Will they do access point mode?  Can they be flashed to other brands of
> software like the Powerstations?  
>
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:44:54 -0600, Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> There is no manual that I know of yet as it is all pretty straight
>> forward. If one comes out, I will make sure I pass it on :)
>>
>> -drew
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> 
>>> It'd be nice to have a manual for one of them.  I asked UBNT, but
>>>   
>> haven't
>> 
>>> received one yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Drew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:00 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> -drew
>>>>
>>>> Smith, Rick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Where'd you get em ?   No one can find any stock anywhere,
>>>>> and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>   
>> On
>> 
>>>>> Behalf Of Drew Lentz
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding
>>>>>   
>> a
>> 
>>>>> new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my
>>>>>   
>> first
>> 
>>>>> 2 and am going to run them through the ringer.
>>>>> I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of
>>>>> you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me
>>>>> off list and I will give you the details.
>>>>>
>>>>> The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE
>>>>> units.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version.
>>>>> http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php
>>>>> http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php
>>>>>
>>>>> -drew
>>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations

[Drew Lentz]

There is no manual that I know of yet as it is all pretty straight 
forward. If one comes out, I will make sure I pass it on :)

-drew

Mike Hammett wrote:
> It'd be nice to have a manual for one of them.  I asked UBNT, but haven't 
> received one yet.
>
>
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
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>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Drew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
>
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>   
>> Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -drew
>>
>> Smith, Rick wrote:
>> 
>>> Where'd you get em ?   No one can find any stock anywhere,
>>> and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Drew Lentz
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
>>>
>>> There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a
>>>
>>> new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first
>>>
>>> 2 and am going to run them through the ringer.
>>> I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of
>>> you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me
>>> off list and I will give you the details.
>>>
>>> The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE
>>> units.
>>>
>>> They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version.
>>> http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php
>>> http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php
>>>
>>> -drew
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations

[Drew Lentz]

Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all.

Thanks,

-drew

Smith, Rick wrote:
> Where'd you get em ?   No one can find any stock anywhere,
> and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Drew Lentz
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
>
> There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a
>
> new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first
>
> 2 and am going to run them through the ringer.
> I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of 
> you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me 
> off list and I will give you the details.
>
> The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE 
> units.
>
> They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version.
> http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php
> http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations

[Drew Lentz]

I don't know for sure, but I will find out.

-drew

Randy Cosby wrote:
> Any idea if the 5ghz version will be FCC approved for 5.4?
>
> Randy
>
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> Drew Lentz wrote:
>   
>> There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a 
>> new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 
>> 2 and am going to run them through the ringer.
>> I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of 
>> you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me 
>> off list and I will give you the details.
>>
>> The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE 
>> units.
>>
>> They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version.
>> http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php
>> http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php
>>
>> -drew
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[WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations

[Drew Lentz]

There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a 
new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 
2 and am going to run them through the ringer.
I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of 
you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me 
off list and I will give you the details.

The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE 
units.

They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version.
http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php
http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php

-drew



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Re: [WISPA] Skypilot

[Drew Lentz]

SkyPilot does in fact do a great job at antenna switching ... and yes 
their radios can support up to 44db EIRP, but you are still dealing with 
a 30mw client most of the time.  As far as supporting voice / qos  
though, it is still all Wifi. BeAir, from what I understand, now offers 
a SLA guarnatee 
(http://www.belairnetworks.com/about_belair/press_releases_view.cfm?p_id=120) 
on their gear, which should give you some peace of mind.


As far as SkyPilot being the only one who offers those features like 
redundant backhaul, that's the benefit of mesh, not of the equipment 
manufacturer.


If you are looking for a ton of coverage with less equipment, take a 
look at what Go Networks and Vivato have done with their beamforming 
technologies. Better spectral efficeincy to the client using the wifi 
standard is a great thing when it works. I have seen the Go gear work, 
and will be testing some Vivato later on this month! :)


-drew

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have several reasons that I liked Skypilot in particular.  For one thing,
the sectorized omni approach meant I could use 1 unit to cover 360 degrees.
 Secondly, the smart antenna approach giving it 44db EIRP on the AP side. 
Third, the automatic redundancy, and fourth, the fact that 1 piece of

equipment on the tower replaces:  redundant backhauls, ethernet switches,
lots of sector panels, etc.  It can be installed by 1 climber in probably
less than 30 minutes.  Nothing else I've found has close to these features.
 


BelAir mentions it can be used for cellular backhaul - is it really capable
of what it claims to be able to do?  Is there a non-mesh endpoint unit that
can be used, or am I forced to use a Belair unit on clients that want voice
T1s?  I just can't see Wi-Fi being able to handle 10 or 20 simultaneous
calls - and the backhaul radios aren't unlicensed Wimax - just 802.11a.

So maybe I need to go to Alvarion VL - but I wonder if they live up to
their VOIP call claims on their tech sheets - Canopy Advantage couldn't in
my testing, at 2.5 miles with 1 CPE on it it fell on its face...

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:08:59 -0600, Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Before jumping into the mesh space, I would look at all the technology
that is out there, from 1st generation  up to the current 4/5
generation. There's a ton of great equipment out there. Strix,
Arrowspan, Go Networks, etc.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I haven't heard much about Skypilot out there on WISPA.  I'm considering
  

an


equipment upgrade soon, and I did get ONE real world WISP last year who
  

was


using it with very good success who loves it.  The idea of adding
  

bandwidth


with another gateway, etc.  But how much bandwidth in a given area can
  

that


system really work with before interference becomes an issue - or can
  

each


new gateway actually use a different frequency?

Also in terms of VOIP - if I use IAX2 / Asterisk to run VOIP, how much
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

[Drew Lentz]

We were using it to connect entire RV sites together with multiple VoIP 
users on it at once. With its over the air packet prioritization, we 
noticed a definite increase in call quality as well as call volume 
(number of calls, not how loud they are;))


-d
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Are you doing any significant VOIP on it (like 10+ VOIP calls on a single
client unit, like T1 replacement)?

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:07:11 -0600, Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in
Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico
border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked
magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb
SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2
and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear
performed perfectly as anticipated.

I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with
their ALV deployment.

-drew


Smith, Rick wrote:


I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
forth.

I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the
backbone / heavy customer equipment.

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Re: [WISPA] Skypilot

[Drew Lentz]

Before jumping into the mesh space, I would look at all the technology 
that is out there, from 1st generation  up to the current 4/5 
generation. There's a ton of great equipment out there. Strix, 
Arrowspan, Go Networks, etc.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I haven't heard much about Skypilot out there on WISPA.  I'm considering an
equipment upgrade soon, and I did get ONE real world WISP last year who was
using it with very good success who loves it.  The idea of adding bandwidth
with another gateway, etc.  But how much bandwidth in a given area can that
system really work with before interference becomes an issue - or can each
new gateway actually use a different frequency?

Also in terms of VOIP - if I use IAX2 / Asterisk to run VOIP, how much
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

[Drew Lentz]

I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in 
Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico 
border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked 
magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb 
SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2 
and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear 
performed perfectly as anticipated.


I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with 
their ALV deployment.


-drew


Smith, Rick wrote:

I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
forth.

I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the
backbone / heavy customer equipment.

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[WISPA] Cisco Buys Navini for US$330m

[Drew Lentz]

*Cisco Announces Definitive Agreement to Acquire Navini Networks*

Extends the Cisco IP Next Generation Network Vision to Deliver Wireless 
Broadband Services and Increase Internet Access in Emerging Markets

October 23, 2007: 08:00 AM EST

Cisco® (NASDAQ: CSCO) today announced a definitive agreement to purchase 
Richardson, TX-based Navini Networks, Inc. a leader in the Mobile WiMAX 
802.16e-2005 broadband wireless industry. Navini is a pioneer in the 
integration of "Smart Beamforming" technologies with Multi-Input 
Multi-Output (MIMO) antennas, a combination that improves the 
performance and range for WiMAX services and lowers the overall 
deployment and operational costs for service providers.


Navini's WiMAX products will extend Cisco's market-leading WiFi and 
WiFi-Mesh portfolios, allowing Cisco to uniquely address the rapidly 
growing markets for broadband wireless services.


The acquisition of Navini will help extend and enhance Cisco's IP Next 
Generation Network (IP NGN) vision to enable service providers to 
deliver any service to any device over any network -- a vision that 
Cisco calls the Connected Life. The addition of broadband wireless 
products based upon WiMAX will complement existing Cisco products and 
solutions to enable service providers to deliver premium end-to-end 
Connected Experiences and hasten their transition to becoming Experience 
Providers.


Cisco also expects that its broadband wireless solution portfolio, that 
now includes WiMAX products, will play a key role in Cisco's Country 
Transformation and "Digital Inclusion" initiatives to drive broadband 
penetration to consumers and business in emerging countries.


"Emerging country service providers are in expansion mode, building out 
broadband wireless networks and are concerned about deployment costs and 
the availability of skilled resources," said Brett Galloway, vice 
president and general manager of the Wireless Networking Business Unit, 
Cisco. "Around the world broadband wireless networks based upon WiMAX 
have the potential to add millions of new Internet users who cannot be 
reached economically using copper or fiber infrastructures. 
Additionally, WiMAX networks will help drive the transition to open 
IP-based broadband wireless architectures and accelerate the rollout of 
new applications and services."


Cisco selected Navini based on its industry-leading product portfolio, 
unmatched innovation and its real-world commercial deployments with 
service provider customers worldwide. Navini offers a leading portfolio 
of broadband wireless WiMAX solutions with comprehensive offerings 
including base stations, adaptive antenna arrays, management systems, 
and subscriber modems, which has been sold to more than 75 customers.


Under the terms of the agreement, Cisco will pay approximately $330 
million in cash and assumed options. The Navini acquisition is subject 
to various standard closing conditions and is expected to close in the 
second quarter of Cisco's 2008 fiscal year. Upon the close of the 
acquisition, Cisco plans to integrate Navini into its Wireless 
Networking Business Unit, under the Ethernet and Wireless Technology 
Group. This will be acquisition No. 124 for Cisco.


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RE: [WISPA] Multiradio Mesh Equipment

[Drew Lentz]

I've worked with a couple different vendors. What kind of information are
you looking for?

-drew

Drew Lentz
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Yes please, thanks

Gino A. Villarini
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I am interested as well.  I have contact info on my salesman from Bel
Air
but we haven't purchased anything yet.  I can forward it to you if you
would
like.

Rick Harnish

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List,

Anyone has experience with multiradio (3-4 radios)mesh units.  Bel Air,
Mesh Dynamics, Strix? Would like to hear your opinions on them

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RE: [WISPA] Locustworld meshes?

[Drew Lentz]

The problem with OLSR, and it is even stated on the Wikipedia page, is that
when you push routing tables to every device, it creates a load on the
system. If you have a few nodes its not an issue, but when you are pushing
routing tables for 250+ nodes, you wanna make sure that the system can
handle that type of stress along with all of its other functions.



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Here's a bit of info for you to check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimized_Link_State_Routing_protocol

Optimized Link State Routing protocol (OLSR) is a routing protocol that 
is optimised for mobile ad-hoc networks, sometimes called wireless mesh 
networks. It is a proactive link-state routing protocol that floods a 
full topology table to all nodes in the network which then compute 
optimal forwarding paths locally

I think Star has OLSR for their mesh


George Rogato wrote:
>  From what I hear on the other forums, OLSR seems to be more stable on a 
> wireless network.
> 
> 
> 
> Allen Marsalis wrote:
>> Exactly my point George.  I don'/t...
>>
>> Allen
>>
>>
>> At 09:16 PM 9/14/2007, George Rogato wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Allen Marsalis wrote:
>>> I'm just asking why you think you need something else besides BGP or
>>>> OSPF.
>>>
>>> OSLR
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RE: [WISPA] Thanks Everyone - OT

[Drew Lentz]

Patrick,

What were your sales like in the US?

Drew Lentz
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Just a note of appreciation to all our customers for enabling us to
report an excellent Q2 quarterly report today, which beat the "street"
estimates. Highlights include:

- Record revenues of $57.5 million, up 31% from Q2 2006;
- Record BreezeMAX(TM) revenues of $27.9 million;
- Gross margin of 51%;
- Non-GAAP EPS of $0.03; GAAP EPS of $0.00;
- Commercial WiMAX deployments of 170, up from 150 in Q1
- About 40 802.16e mobile WiMAX trials (about 2x claimed by any
competitor)
- Major new ecosystem partners such as Bridgewater and Arraycom (for
beamforming)
- Positive operating cash flow of $2.6 million, growing cash to about
$122M
- Revising Y over Y growth to 25-30%

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070801/20070731006573.html?.v=1

And more central to the WISP front, one of the other up surprises is
that our non-WiMAX business continued to grow, thanks mostly in part to
our North American BreezeACCESS VL and BreezeNET B100 customers. I want
WISPs to know that even with the heavy investments on the WiMAX side, we
continue to invest in our UL solutions and we consider our work on the
unlicensed front as a major part of our business.

In the near term this means you already place orders for 5.4 GHz
BreezeACCESS VL, as well as 5.3 GHz and of course 5.8 GHz. We hope to
bring you other bands for unlicensed in the not-to-distant future as
well.

Thanks again to all,

Regards,

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[WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take on "Broadband"..

[Drew Lentz]

In an article entitled "Broadband Baloney" in the Wall Street Journal today,
Robert McDowell, a Commissioner on the FCC stated:

"Criticisms of our definition of "broadband" being too lax are already
irrelevant as over 50 million subscribers are in the 1.5 to 3.0
megabits-per-second "fast lane.""

That my friends, is EXACTLY what the problem is: 1.5 to 3mb FAST LANE
Who are they trying to kid? Then he goes on to say:

"Today, video applications are tugging hard on America's broadband
infrastructure. YouTube alone uses as much bandwidth today as the entire
Internet did in 2000. Not surprisingly, our broadband adoption rate
continues to increase concurrently with the proliferation of this latest
"killer app.""

He talks about how much of a push video is, even citing that it eats up a
large amount of bandwidth, but is insistent on 1.5 to 3 Mb being fast?  I
don't get it.

The article sums up why he thinks that all this talk about us lagging behind
in the broadband proliferation table is "Broadband Baloney".. boo I say. The
fact that the WSJ would print this is baloney.

Article is here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118524094434875755.html?mod=googlenews_wsj 

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RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

[Drew Lentz]

Just to throw another log on, here's the CTIA's approach:

WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--CTIA-The Wireless AssociationR President and
CEO Steve Largent issued the following statement today in response to a
letter from Google to the Federal Communications Commission asking for
special conditions in the upcoming 700 MHz spectrum auction, and pledging to
bid at least $4.6 billion for that spectrum if Google's conditions are met:

"The veil has been lifted. Google's letter to the FCC this morning
highlights the Internet giant's scheme to have the 700 MHz auction rigged
with special conditions in its favor. If Google is willing to commit almost
$5 billion dollars for spectrum that it wants encumbered with various
requirements, then let it win that spectrum in a competitive auction and
choose that business model. Google and its allies, with their collective
market capitalization approaching half a trillion dollars, don't need a
government handout at taxpayers' expense. The competitive wireless industry
welcomes all new entrants, but no company should be able to buy a custom-fit
government regulation that suits their particular business plan. Consumers
should decide if they're right, not the federal government."

CTIA is the international association for the wireless telecommunications
industry, representing carriers, manufacturers and wireless Internet
providers.


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Rumors of Embarq pulling fiber in NW NJ. I'm trying to figure this one
out,
since it's home for me :)

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Smith, Rick wrote:
> I can tell you for a fact that Embarq and Verizon have 700 Mhz
> and FTTP on their radar BIG time.
>
> It's that whole "battle vs. war" thing... They're willing to
> get their heads handed to them 9 times because that 10th is
> their nuke...
>
> OK I've gotta throw away this devil's advocate hat...
EMBARQ? Hesse said that he was betting on the DSL game. Where does 
Embarq do FTTx?

VZ and AT&T are spending the money for FTTx - but not in rural America. 
(Maybe that's where 700 comes in, but I think the 700 is going to be 
used for muni wi-fi and to enhance their cellular data services).

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RE: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Drew Lentz]

I think we are going to see an increase in the deployment of femtocells like
T-Mobiles ... not just cell carriers (AT&T to follow T-Mobile?
http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=129159&print=true) but by people
trying to push content into living rooms:

Today's Femtocell Headline:

Google invests $25 mil in Femto Cell company
http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=breakingFunds
News&storyID=2007-07-20T164556Z_01_N20392788_RTRIDST_0_GOOGLE-UBIQUISYS.XML 

"The idea is to plug Ubiquisys' so-called femtocell devices into a
consumer's existing broadband Internet access equipment to create a
short-range wireless link between the customer's mobile phone and the
Internet to improve signal strength.

The Ubiquisys devices will work with phones based on the latest generation
of GSM, the most commonly used wireless technology standard, which is
widespread in Europe and other parts of the world and used by two U.S.
wireless providers."

Drew Lentz
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Nice write up John. I have Sprint network with Samsung
phone unfortunately locked in for 2 years.  However,
the T-Mobile offering looks appealing.  So you had
session persistance? Nice. Can you re-clarify that you
did not have to re-authenticate at all? For example
let's say you walk out of Starbucks. Doese the cell
phone seamlessly switch to the TMobile carrier
network?  Thanks.  F.




--- John Valenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> T-Mobile launched their [EMAIL PROTECTED] service at the
> end of June.
> 
> I picked up one of these cell phones a few weeks
> ago. The deal is for  
> an extra $10/month, you get unlimited calls in the
> US if they are  
> made over wifi. The wifi connection generally works
> with any open AP,  
> or if you know the security key you can enter that.
> It also  
> automatically connects to T-Mobile Hotspots, such as
> might be found  
> at Starbucks. Once you start a call on wifi, you can
> move out of wifi  
> range into tower range it seamlessly switches over.
> The call is  
> billed according to where it starts.
> 
> I had actually sampled a T-Mobile phone, then
> returned it the day  
> this [EMAIL PROTECTED] service launched. Most of the
> places I hoped to use  
> it, I had no signal. But I like this new combo phone
> quite a bit.
> 
> For example: my WISP office is in my basement. I've
> used Verizon cell  
> phones for years, based on having them work almost
> everywhere I go.  
> But no service in my basement.  The T-Mobile phone
> happily uses my  
> net connection and sounds better than any cell phone
> I have used.  
> Ditto for a few locations at work, such as a server
> room. No cell  
> service, but wifi is fine.
> 
> One thing I don't like is that the phone doesn't
> include a web  
> browser. If you are at a location that requires
> agreeing to TOS  
> before using the wifi, you can't do that just using
> the phone.
> 
> I've used some other VOIP systems before (Packet 8,
> Skype, almost  
> went with SunRocket - that was close) but haven't
> really liked them.
> 
> --
> An idea for WISPA leadership: think about brokering
> a deal with T- 
> Mobile to expand their hotspots to members POPs.
> They only have about  
> 7500 hotspots in the US. For example, there are none
> in Michigan's  
> Upper Peninsula, and the only one in the north half
> of the Lower  
> Peninsula is Traverse City.
> 
> 
> Some technical details:
> 
> The T-Mobile phone uses technology called UMA to
> encapsulate GSM over  
> IP. The packets are UDP encapsulated IpSec. The call
> I monitored  
> averaged 60 packets/sec. All traffic was to/from one
> IP address using  
> port 4500. Bandwidth used was 9516 bytes/second
> average. Most packets  
> were 158 bytes (the longest seen), a few were 142,
> and occasionally  
> 60 bytes.
> 
> 
> -John
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RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

[Drew Lentz]

That is wonderful news if you ask me!

Drew Lentz
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http://64.233.179.110/blog_resources/Google_Ex_Parte_Letter_Signed.pdf


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RE: [WISPA] dielectric grease

[Drew Lentz]

I have never used dielectric grease, but my weapon of choice is FastWrap
from Huber-Suhner.
http://www.hubersuhnerinc.com/co-ca-us/mozilla/products/hs-p-rf/hs-rf-connec
tors/hs-p-rf-con-access/ca-us-p-rf-con-access-fw


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My installer also does satellite installs. He says they use dielectric
grease to water proof connections. Why not use that instead of mastic
tape?
-RickG


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RE: [WISPA] Proxim Wireless Adds 900 MHz Support toPoint-to-MultipointProduct Line

[Drew Lentz]

Haha. Gotta love it.
Link to Ubiquiti board used:
http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/sr9datasheet.pdf


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toPoint-to-MultipointProduct Line

$1200 for the cpe  yikes...what are they smoking?  It just the mp.11
board with a ubiquity 900 card..

Take a peak here:

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_i
d=793933&native_or_pdf=pdf



Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Subject: [WISPA] Proxim Wireless Adds 900 MHz Support to
Point-to-MultipointProduct Line

Proxim Wireless Adds 900 MHz Support to Point-to-Multipoint Product Line

New Tsunami MP.11 Model 954-R Enables Broadband, Non-Line-of-Sight Links
for
Municipal and Other Applications

 

July 12, 2007: 09:00 AM EST

 

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0277031.htm


Proxim Wireless Corporation, a leader in core-to-client solutions for
broadband municipal wireless networks and wholly owned subsidiary of
Terabeam, Inc. (NASDAQ: TRBM), today announced the Tsunami MP.11 Model
954-R, an outdoor point-to-multipoint base station and subscriber unit
system that supports high-speed wireless connections in the 900 MHz
license-exempt frequency band. Designed for non-line-of-sight
applications,
the new system enables reliable communications links in environments
filled
with buildings, dense foliage and other obstructions. 

"With Proxim's new Tsunami MP.11 Model 954-R, we can create reliable,
high-speed wireless links in environments where line-of-sight is simply
not
possible," said Gregg Rowland, Senior Vice President Sales and Marketing
at
ShotSpotter, Inc. "ShotSpotter's wireless Gunshot Location System is a
mission critical tool for public safety and the military, so reliable
communications to and from our sensors is essential to dispatch or the
command and control systems." 

An addition to Proxim's award-winning Tsunami MP.11 family, the Model
954-R
system provides capabilities of WiMAX, including WiMAX QoS, mobile
roaming
with fast handoff speeds up to 200 km/per hour (120 mph), dynamic data
rate
selection (DDRS) and advanced security with AES encryption. The system's
design enables flexible and easy deployment. Housed in ruggedized
enclosures, the base station and subscriber units can be deployed in
extreme
weather conditions with a variety of external antennas. An antenna
alignment
tool and secure local and remote management ensure quick installation
and
maintenance. 

"With the introduction of these products, Proxim Wireless is expanding
our
point-to-multipoint product line to support an even wider range of
applications," said Bert Williams, Vice President of Marketing at Proxim
Wireless. "Our Tsunami product line with ProximVisionT management now
operates in the 900 MHz, 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz license-exempt frequency
bands,
as well as the 3.5 GHz and 4.9 GHz licensed bands, so that our customers
can
choose the spectrum that best supports their particular applications and
environment." 

The Tsunami MP.11 954-R base station is available now at a U.S. list
price
of $2,299; Tsunami MP.11 954-R subscriber units are also available now
with
U.S. list prices starting at $1,199. 

About Proxim Wireless 

Proxim Wireless Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of Terabeam,
Inc.
(NASDAQ: TRBM). Proxim Wireless is a global pioneer in developing and
supplying scalable broadband wireless networking systems for service
providers, municipalities, governments, and enterprises. The company's
end-to-end wireless products -- including Wi-FiR mesh, WiMAX, MeshMAXT,
WLAN, and wireless backhaul -- are available through an extensive global
channel network, backed by world-class support. Proxim is a Principal
Member
of the WiMAX Forum and is ISO-9001 certified. Information about Proxim
and
its products and support can be found at http://www.proxim.com. 

About ShotSpotter, Inc. (www.shotspotter.com) 

ShotSpotter, Inc., the leading developer of gunshot location systems and
technology, is based in Mountain View, CA. ShotSpotter's flagship
product,
which detects gunfire across large urban areas using a small number of
inexpensive and easy-to-deploy sensors, currently protects the citizens
of
cities nationwide, from Los Angeles, CA to Washington, DC. Its products
assisted the FBI and the Franklin County Sheriff's Office in identifying
and
capturing the Columbus, Ohio highway sniper suspect. With technology
covered
by numerous patents, the company also of

[WISPA] Proxim Wireless Adds 900 MHz Support to Point-to-Multipoint Product Line

[Drew Lentz]

tions, cost, price, and other characteristics desired by customers.
Further information on these and other factors that could affect our actual
results is and will be included in filings made by Terabeam from time to
time with the Securities and Exchange Commission and in our other public
statements. 

Contact Information:
Bert Williams
VP, Marketing and Investor Relations
Proxim Wireless
+1 408 731-2610
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

Drew Lentz

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RE: [WISPA] FCC Auction Should Allow for Open Wireless Network, Say Lawmakers

[Drew Lentz]

Hi there! New to the list but wanted to jump in with comments:

This was, IMO, a great hearing. I watched about the first 2 hours of it and
was delighted by the responses of the witnesses. Hearing the chair of the
committee refer to the ATT iPhone contract as being a "Hotel California
service" where you can signup, but never leave with your iPhone made me
chuckle. But it was Jason Devitt that drove it home for me, paraphrasing
from his prepared testimony, 

"Open Access is an unfamiliar term for a very familiar idea. The private
companies who build and maintain our highways don't get to dictate what kind
of car I drive. I don't have to ask Wal-Mart for permission to open a retail
store next door to one of theirs. ConEd and PG&E can't limit my choice of
vacuum cleaner, and I don't have to ask Verizon for permission to launch a
web site. However, I have to ask Verizon Wireless for permission to sell a
phone that runs on their network or an application that runs on their
phones."

If you are interested in watching an archived version or reading more of the
witness testimony, it's online @
http://energycommerce.house.gov/cmte_mtgs/110-ti-hrg.071107.ConsumerProtecti
on.shtml

Have a great day, and I look forward to contributing to this list :)

-drew

Drew Lentz
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Subject: [WISPA] FCC Auction Should Allow for Open Wireless Network,Say
Lawmakers

FCC Auction Should Allow for Open Wireless Network, Say Lawmakers

By Kim Hart
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 12, 2007; D08

Key lawmakers on Capitol Hill yesterday supported the idea that regulators
should give consumers greater control over how they use their cellphones.

Several members of a House subcommittee voiced agreement with a proposal
that would require a portion of valuable airwaves about to be auctioned off
by the Federal Communications Commission to be used for an "open" network
that would connect to any mobile device or service. Such a rule would
benefit technology companies such as Google, Intel, Yahoo and Skype, who
want more ways to reach their customers without going through carriers. The
plan could hurt wireless carriers, who say unfettered access to their
networks would undermine billions of dollars of investment for high-speed
services.

This issue of open access lies at the center of the debate about rules that
will govern the spectrum auction, which are expected to be released this
month. FCC Chairman Kevin J. Martin has proposed setting aside one-third of
the spectrum for an open network that would work with any cellphone.

Supporters of Google and its partners say an open network would promote
innovation by letting consumers use services on new devices like the iPhone
without being limited to a single network. But critics argue that placing
such conditions on the bidding process would actually stifle competition and
reduce revenues from the auction, which is expected to yield between $15
billion and $20 billion for the U.S. Treasury.

Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), who chairs the subcommittee that handles
telecommunications and Internet issues, urged the FCC to "seize this
opportunity to create an open-access opportunity for wireless service in
this auction." He added that wireless carriers are "exerting far too much
control over the features, functions and applications that wireless gadget
makers and content entrepreneurs can offer directly to consumers."

Ranking Republican Fred Upton of Michigan countered by saying the wireless
market is already "vigorously competitive."

"No matter how you slice it," he said, the proposal "smothers investment in
a competitive market, and in the end would leave consumers worse off and
with fewer choices."

The four-hour hearing highlighted the divergent views of policymakers and
industry representatives on the consequences of using a slice of the
spectrum for an open-access network.

Steven E. Zipperstein, general counsel for Verizon Wireless, testified that
competition already forces wireless companies to invest in new products and
networks, ultimately benefiting consumers. He also said that any open-access
requirement would make the spectrum less valuable to companies like Verizon
Wireless.

But Jason Devitt, who runs a Silicon Valley start-up that sells wireless
products and services, disagreed. While the major carriers such as Verizon
Wireless and AT&T bring new products to market, he said, "there are so
many other products and services not getting in front of consumers" because
carriers act as gatekeepers.

"I'm an entrepreneur, and I'm mad as hell I have to ask for permission to
innovate," he said, referring to what he called the wireless companies'