Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul I'll tell you what my perfect tower site router would be for this. PC based, runs on 12vdc (so we can run everything from car batteries) and has gigE ethernet ports by the gross. Then we can route or bridge as needed based

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Are any of the towers setup such that you could cross the circle? In other words, if you had towers 1 to 20 in a ring, have a secondary link between towers 4 and 16 for instance. This would require routing, and preferably dynamic

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-05 Thread Jeff Broadwick
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul I thought that one wouldn't have enough horse power to push the 200 to 300 megs aggregate that we expect to see. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread can...@believewireless.net
and hopefully, someday, TVBD for the consumers. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul The 5.8 GHz backup links

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Travis Johnson
think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Mike Hammett
wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Certainly Jack. I don't know anyone that's built something like this already though. And, it's really not that far off from what we already do. It's just bigger and faster. I've not used the hardware needed for this system

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul We have the ring configuration with licensed links running OSPF without backups on the individual links. We spec our links to be as close to 99.999% at full

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Scott Reed
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul We have the ring configuration with licensed links running OSPF without backups on the individual links. We spec our links to be as close to 99.999% at full modulation as possible. We continue to try to create loops in the network

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Jack Unger
PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Trying to design a complex system like this via a listserve committee is more than a little bit risky. Have you considered going to someone who actually has this type of network design experience and paying them to do

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul OSPF is how you manage load sharing and load balancing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Jack Unger
rel...@ics-il.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul OSPF is how you manage load sharing and load balancing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions h

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Right. I get that part. But I've never used it out here so I don't know if it's a routing function or a bridging function like spanning tree. I'm trying to figure out what hardware

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Certainly Jack. I don't know anyone that's built something like this already though. And, it's really not that far off from what we already do. It's just bigger and faster. I've not used the hardware needed

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Right. I get that part. But I've never used it out here so I don't know if it's a routing function

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Gino Villarini
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Mikrotik makes pretty good gear. Depending on traffic, I'd put an RB493AH in there. Should be able to do

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Jack Unger
- Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" jun...@ask-wi.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Certainly Jack. I don't know anyone th

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Mike Hammett
-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul RB493 limits ports to 100 fdx, If he is going licensed, theradios

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Mikrotik makes pretty good gear. Depending on traffic, I'd put an RB493AH

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Gino Villarini
, 2009 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Then perhaps depending on port count required, the RB450 supports Gigabit, though I don't know what it's throughput is capable of. I'm not sure on the RB1000's outdoor ability. I'm not saying it's no good, I

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Gino Villarini
: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul RB493 limits ports to 100 fdx, If he is going licensed, theradios might be upgraded in the future to higher speeds... I would go RB1000 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread can...@believewireless.net
The RB1000s we've used have worked well in outdoor environments. We've had them in cases so hot we have burned ourselves touching them. However, to start, I'd start with the new RB450Gs from Mikrotik. They are cheap and should handle about 200+Mbps w/OSPF running.If you need BGP, definitely

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Mike Hammett
: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Then perhaps depending on port count required, the RB450 supports Gigabit, though I don't know what it's throughput is capable of. I'm not sure on the RB1000's outdoor ability. I'm

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Scott Reed
Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul RB493 limits ports to 100 fdx, If he is going licensed, theradios might be upgraded in the future to higher speeds... I would go

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Dennis Burgess
Am I dreaming? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul RB493 limits ports to 100 fdx, If he is going

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Mikrotik makes pretty good gear. Depending on traffic, I'd put an RB493AH

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread John Thomas
: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul The 5.8 GHz backup links will help you deal with outages due to environmental conditions such as rain fade. That has to be factored in for links when you operate above 10 GHz. Even if you run a loop configuration you could have a fade condition that could

[WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-03 Thread Brian Webster
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-03 Thread Jack Unger
d. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Thanks. Do you think we ne