Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
Same price. Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: there's an AP with EXT only ?Price diff ? John Seaman wrote: yes... the recently announced AP trade-in program applies to both the 5830 AP with integrated antenna as well as this new EXT version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victoria Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Can we trade-in our 5800 AP's for this AP? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadBand.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Seaman Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be available for shipment in about a week. It is certified for use with the 120 degree sector and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector from Radiowaves. Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP. John Seaman Trango Broadband Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street. - They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as a transition - They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs - Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace them I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP. That would be nice to hear about... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-( I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP. What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation 5830AP, that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP. I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing. But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580 is a usable or non usable OFDM product. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's... On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about wha
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
there's an AP with EXT only ?Price diff ? John Seaman wrote: yes... the recently announced AP trade-in program applies to both the 5830 AP with integrated antenna as well as this new EXT version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victoria Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Can we trade-in our 5800 AP's for this AP? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadBand.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Seaman Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be available for shipment in about a week. It is certified for use with the 120 degree sector and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector from Radiowaves. Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP. John Seaman Trango Broadband Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street. - They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as a transition - They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs - Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace them I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP. That would be nice to hear about... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-( I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP. What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation 5830AP, that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP. I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing. But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580 is a usable or non usable OFDM product. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's... On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radio
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
yes... the recently announced AP trade-in program applies to both the 5830 AP with integrated antenna as well as this new EXT version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victoria Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Can we trade-in our 5800 AP's for this AP? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadBand.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Seaman Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be available for shipment in about a week. It is certified for use with the 120 degree sector and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector from Radiowaves. Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP. John Seaman Trango Broadband Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street. - They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as a transition - They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs - Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace them I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP. That would be nice to hear about... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-( > I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP. > What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation 5830AP, > that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP. > I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing. > But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580 is > a usable or non usable OFDM product. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > > > I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's... > > On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. > > It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been > > in > > shock. > > > > Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, > > before they shipped. > > This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. > > Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? > > Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag > > after we realized the advantages? > > Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross > > platform supported! > > They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was > > likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. > > What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I > > able > > shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. > > > > I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI > > on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, > > thanks > > Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the > > limits, > > and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks > > Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). > > Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 > > CPE!". > > It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would > > say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining > > moment > > in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz > > product. > > But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly &
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
Can we trade-in our 5800 AP's for this AP? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadBand.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Seaman Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be available for shipment in about a week. It is certified for use with the 120 degree sector and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector from Radiowaves. Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP. John Seaman Trango Broadband Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street. - They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as a transition - They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs - Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace them I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP. That would be nice to hear about... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-( > I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP. > What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation 5830AP, > that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP. > I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing. > But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580 is > a usable or non usable OFDM product. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > > > I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's... > > On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. > > It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been > > in > > shock. > > > > Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, > > before they shipped. > > This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. > > Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? > > Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag > > after we realized the advantages? > > Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross > > platform supported! > > They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was > > likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. > > What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I > > able > > shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. > > > > I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI > > on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, > > thanks > > Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the > > limits, > > and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks > > Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). > > Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 > > CPE!". > > It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would > > say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining > > moment > > in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz > > product. > > But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly > > paid $500 for, less than a year ago. > > > > I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. > > After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all > > dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. > > Then out of nowhere "Z"
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be available for shipment in about a week. It is certified for use with the 120 degree sector and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector from Radiowaves. Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP. John Seaman Trango Broadband Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street. - They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as a transition - They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs - Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace them I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP. That would be nice to hear about... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-( > I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP. > What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation 5830AP, > that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP. > I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing. > But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580 is > a usable or non usable OFDM product. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > > > I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's... > > On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. > > It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been > > in > > shock. > > > > Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, > > before they shipped. > > This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. > > Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? > > Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag > > after we realized the advantages? > > Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross > > platform supported! > > They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was > > likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. > > What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I > > able > > shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. > > > > I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI > > on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, > > thanks > > Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the > > limits, > > and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks > > Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). > > Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 > > CPE!". > > It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would > > say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining > > moment > > in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz > > product. > > But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly > > paid $500 for, less than a year ago. > > > > I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. > > After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all > > dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. > > Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 > > CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" > > Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a > > time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500"
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street. - They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as a transition - They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs - Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace them I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP. That would be nice to hear about... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-( > I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP. > What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation 5830AP, > that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP. > I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing. > But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580 is > a usable or non usable OFDM product. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > > > I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's... > > On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. > > It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been > > in > > shock. > > > > Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, > > before they shipped. > > This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. > > Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? > > Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag > > after we realized the advantages? > > Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross > > platform supported! > > They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was > > likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. > > What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I > > able > > shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. > > > > I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI > > on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, > > thanks > > Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the > > limits, > > and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks > > Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). > > Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 > > CPE!". > > It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would > > say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining > > moment > > in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz > > product. > > But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly > > paid $500 for, less than a year ago. > > > > I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. > > After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all > > dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. > > Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 > > CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" > > Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a > > time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we > > were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs > > were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z > > was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! > > Just > > qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. > > > > I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room > > tommorrow. I'm going to be
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Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-( I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP. What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation 5830AP, that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP. I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing. But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580 is a usable or non usable OFDM product. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's... On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Trango... Thanks! PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, " If I only had a CPE for $75", I don't think my heart could take the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's... On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. > It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in > shock. > > Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, > before they shipped. > This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. > Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? > Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag > after we realized the advantages? > Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross > platform supported! > They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was > likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. > What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able > shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. > > I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI > on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks > Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, > and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks > Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). > Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". > It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would > say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment > in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. > But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly > paid $500 for, less than a year ago. > > I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. > After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all > dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. > Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 > CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" > Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a > time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we > were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs > were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z > was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just > qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. > > I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room > tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and > crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with > this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential > market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have > a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make > sure I wasn't dreaming. > > Trango... Thanks! > > PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, " If I only had a CPE for $75", I don't think my > heart could take the results. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- -RickG -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I was a HUGE Trango "basher" on another list. I had the water problems with the 5830 units. I can say that after making me mad as hell in the past, they do seem to have made improvements. They repaired some of my old (out of warranty) units at no charge and even sent me a rebate for one that they charged me to repair a long time ago. Brad Hagstrom, Jenco Wireless On 1/18/06, Chadd Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has > made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. > > I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. > > WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... > > I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending > time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying > to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to > get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in > the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to > install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix > for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist. > > I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water > and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with > the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was > a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again > only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be > installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them > about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month > later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they > could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a > tower because of this. > > I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential > customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting > to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I > couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix. > > I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on > longer cable runs and having to buy new wall worts for some units. > > I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would > properly work with the ethernet ports on the units. > > I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units > causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an > issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas > > I remember prices being jacked around. > The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going > to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them. > > You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango > equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These > problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent > to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having > problems. > > THE GOOD stuff!!! > > I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and > seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link. > > Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the > past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance and latency > than with my Alvarion 900 customers, alvarion is a master and noise > avoidance though when compared to T900. > > My link-10's just hum right along since the bugs were fixed. Besides the > condensation issue on the INT units. > > I do think they are getting a bit better with regards to customer relations > though and their tech support department was very personable and willing to > help out last time I had to call them. So I hope this is a sign of things to > come from them. > > I have been beating my head on the wall trying to figure out what equipment > I want to use for a few new POP's this year and admit it would be nice if > Trango pulled it together with a good line up of cost effective, feature > rich and most of all bug free equipment early this year to add to my list of > choices. > > Sorry for the rambling > Chadd. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:35 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > > > I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. > It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in > shock. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/
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Bob, On the surfice it appears fickle, but not truthfully. Everybody wants to support distribution and their friends in distribution, in theory. But Trango's goal as a manufacturer is strictly to find ways to sell more radios. Loyalty end there for any manufacturer from what I;ve seen. The buyers goal is to get better availabilty and pricing, and initially they think Distribution can help guarantee that. But what when it doesn't? Trango didn't drop the distribution channel just to screw them, what would be the point. The idea was to increase volume, when taking them on, and when that doesn't happen, and instead distributors sell more of competitors' products, what do you do? Well, you start solving the difficiencies in your own operations so you don't ahve to rely on distributors to solve your problems. Then you try something new until the job is done. Like lowering the price to $150, what the custoemr base is asking. Buyers just aren't in a possition to trust anyone, so they complain, to influence possitive decissions, regardless of whether the decissions would have been reputable without the complaining. If consumers get better availability and pricing, doesn't that solve the buyer's need? Thats not being fickle, thats being a smart business man. I'd argue the golden question is will the product be more consistently reliable, with a lower price tag. Was something given up to achieve the better price? Our goal isn't to have the reduced reliability of a commodity $50 Linksys/Dlink/Netgear SOHO product. The cliche, " You get what you pay for". So testing and time is what will tell that. I'd like to believe Trango is just innovating its products, and able to make it cheaper, because they are getting smarter by experience. So far it looks like a winner. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Damn...If I didn't know any better there were several people bitching about Trango cutting out their distributors and going direct. I think I remember people saying "That's it...I'll never buy from them again". Now they have $149 CPE. Hm.Should be interesting to see what happens now :-) -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Chadd, Actually a very good post. And points out the other side. No body is perfect. There have been many things that have frustrated me with the gear over the years. Will the reliabilty of using the gear go up? Only time will tell that one. But patience and loyalty to a vendor for me, I think is paying off. Its weeks like this week, that show reasons why it was all worth it to be patient. The way I look at it, any way I look at it, I've come out ahead. The problems I remember most were... 1) I saw a great opportunity, and I had to turn it away, because I couldn't afford to buy the gear to do the job. 2) I saw someone else installing on the water tower, and wished it could have been me, but I couldn't afford the gear. Trango gave me the option, to go after the deal. At the end of the day, after considering lost labor and time, was it really cheaper? Who knows? All I can say is, I didn't find a better option. All I can say is that if it weren't for the price of Trango, at various stages each year, I wouldn't be in 30 major local markets today, and I wouldn't have been able to be in this business competitively. Whether or not that is a good thing, is debateable. I probably would have done better if I invested in Real Estate. But what I like to see is constant improvement. Every time, I start to get depressed fighting the daily challenges to build a business and grow, out of no where Trango comes up with some new advantage to make it easier on me to succeed. It helps boost my spirit and keep up the moral. For me, as time goes by, they have shown a pattern of consistently just making it easier for WISPs. That means a lot to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chadd Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist. I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a tower because of this. I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix. I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on longer cable runs and having to buy new wall worts for some units. I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would properly work with the ethernet ports on the units. I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas I remember prices being jacked around. The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them. You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having problems. THE GOOD stuff!!! I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link. Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I co
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Mark, Don't forget an arguement to support your position, "less components to fail.". However, not creating a clear Dmarcation point, means free support labor. Not gicing end users a device to tinker with, means they try and tinker with yours, or bother you aimlessly for support. Its all an issue if you want to manage their home Net, or have them manage their home NET, and what the custoemr things of that. Its not wronfeither way. I personally insist on keeping the client out of my gear, and I'm clear on what gear is mine. I'll give them the Linksys, and I'll even let them set it up, but its there responsibility to pay me to manage and support it, if I feel its necessary. It does not box me into a possition of providing free support. But optionally I can, and create value, if it doesn't get out of hand. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I hate those routers, really. I find thier configuration mechanisms frustrating or annoying. Some are just downright almost unworkable. Since my CPE does full routing / NAT firewalling, etc... I still love it. That's an extra box I don't ahve to buy and whatnot. And yes, I understand you CAN use these. I love the reliability and s tability of my staros boxes. I think in the last 12 months I've had 1 or 2 WRAP based CPE need rebooted or restarted. Having the exact same thing at every site is nice :) It would take me a while to develop confidence in one of those consumer level routers. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast Internet, NO WIRES!- - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history We have been installing Linksys / Dlink / Belkin routers at every install for almost 4 years. Customers get an "internal" wireless, we help protect them by having a firewall, and we then have a device we can monitor (with ping) to check their connection.TravisMicroservMark Koskenmaki wrote: Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could... Be dreaming? Sorry, Tom, I had to do that. It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level. It's not going to "lure" me away from my staros yet. It may, however, end up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller cells. If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) and sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell... It might be less costly than my star-os system. I am not yet prepared to give up on routing at the cpe end for normal installs. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I
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I don't think Trangos new lower price was to wipe out StarOs. IF an intent was there to wipe someone out, I'd say more likely, it would be Canopy. But I don't even think that intent was the purpose.. Giving WISPs better prices helps them grow their businesses, and compete with the commodity huge volume competitors. Trango wants large volume and sees the potential a low cost CPE can do to acheive that. StarOS/Mikrotik systems, still have their advantages for many purposes. For example, flexibilty, routing, and multi-radio units, Mesh, etc. With Mini-PCI 900 comming more applications will arise. Smaller cells don't necessarilly require Polling systems to perform well. But for Trango WISPs. This low CPE pricing is a tremendous advantage. Its is an advantage for any WISPs that uses a master cell site model, and wants to deploy quickly wide scale without the hassle of piecing togeather the equipment, and/or does not have the staff with the expertise of putting the gear togeather. With Trango you just take it out of the box and go. With a consistent interface through the product line. Well I might have been a little quick on the consistent interface, as the models do have little differences in syntax, but they are working to improve that. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could... Be dreaming? Sorry, Tom, I had to do that. It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level. It's not going to "lure" me away from my staros yet. It may, however, end up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller cells. If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) and sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell... It might be less costly than my star-os system. I am not yet prepared to give up on routing at the cpe end for normal installs. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $40
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Sorry if I missed it somewhere- does this also include the 900Mhz products? chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Trango... Thanks! PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, " If I only had a CPE for $75", I don't think my heart could take the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.14.18 - Release Date: 1/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Travis, I fully agree. The 2.4Ghz product is one that we have not used yet, but one we will need to start using soon, based on the fact that we used all the 5.8 channels available at many cell sites. 5.3G is good for expanding cells if for the close in neighborhoods, but it just doesn't have the range needed for many master cell site type applications. To get range, you need the 2.4Ghz product. As you have shown Travis, the 2.4Ghz product is somewhat of a last man standing 2.4Ghz product, and an excellent choice for WISPs. My hope is that future development will follow suit. The M5580 is not the single savior. Its possible that there may be range issues, and noise issues based on using OFDM, in some environments. What I like about the M5580 is it gives us the opportunity/option to have excellent pricing for many new markets, that we'd never be able to touch without that price point. For example residential, low or Free install markets. OR WISP direct leasing. Its down tothe point where I could hold the lease for the end user equipment, worked into monthly payment based on low CPE cost. Doing the ROI on a spreadsheet, makes it a much safer model to get bank approval for financing for large scale growth. For example, Trangos Press release lists Triple play. Doing 30 mbps in a small short range community network, could accomplish that, and using a single smaller bandwidth backhaul to the site. Using Multicast and caching, the low bandwidth backhaul would be enough to transport the Video to a community devcie that then fed the homes individually/directly over the higher capacity. Then there is the 900mhz product No comment based on my last scolding :-) How many of your competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. :( Good point. This where early entry into the market comes in. IF you are ready to go in a market, you are in a position to move faster and take the market share today, before the competitors starts. This is whats going to test, wether people that have the best broadcast sites, really have an advantage for long term success. This is what will challenge WISPS to offer good support, good pricing, anf fast expansion. Why would someone come to compete, if it looked like a loosing battle to compete against you? The bigger issue is keeping consumers from buying the gear. A $150 is still in the price range for a residential build your own community thing. Thats one of the reasons, its important for the AP cost not to drop to low. So its not in the end user price range. The strategy should be, start buying lots of units, and making lots of sales, based on the new low price opportunity. Trango is taking care of us, because they want us to succeed, and increase our volume. Its sorta like the FCC giving us more leanient power rules, to see what we do with the opportunity. Do we abuse them or use them well? Trango has to make a profit, and its likely that they's continue selling product for half the cost, if the volume did not increase. We need to grow our businesses, or they'll find people that will. So indirectly the pressure is on us, to give back, take advantage of the price point and grow our businesses. Thats the way I see it. I think if we do it, they'll keep evolving their product to our needs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Tom, I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 5.8ghz product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 60-70 of the 2.4ghz product per month... mainly because of the totally amazing distance (15-20 miles is a no brainer... 25-30 miles is possible with a grid antenna attached). We love the 2.4ghz product. Now we just need it cheaper... not $149... even $250ish would be great. :) Then there is the 900mhz product the "lifesaver" if there ever was one... we now have over 400 customers deployed on 900mhz... customers that we would not have gotten without a 900mhz product on the market. Same with this product line... we need a $250ish CPE... :) And, not to ruin the party on this thread, but you realize the downside is now every little mom and pop shop can now afford Trango? How many of your competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. :( Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on
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Before I came to the WISP world, I had 13 years as a technician that had customer contact and often did technical support over the phone. I often was the guy across the counter when the customer was happy...and when he was not. I never cease to be amazed at stories of businesses with people on the phone who have bad attitudes, who blame the customer, etc, etc. I've learned the customer is always right, at least in his own mind. And you can tell him he's wrong, but you have to use some tact and courtesy when you do. And you absolutely MUST be right, if you do. After I left, a crisis in the business I worked for caused management to break some of those rules, and that caused a serious downward trend. I've found you can charge the guy twice as much as he thought he should pay, if you things right and fix the problem right,and you can make an honest explanation. I've also discovered that goes hand in hand with surprising him with NO bill when it's your fault and he thinks its his. I know, I'm a bit old fashioned, in that I think that relationships make or break you in the business world. Lots of people will say that people are fickle and will jump to save 10 bucks. Maybe WISP's share these traits. Some will jump to save 10 bucks. Others are loyal to a fault. If anyone, ANYWHERE who represents a vendor is on these lists and reads this... and your company culture represents the faults described below... I can't imagine how you expect to stay in business. I've used and still in the market to use Equinox antennas, even though some had terrible faults. Why? Because they have honestly tried to resolve issues with me. They've gone above and beyond to fix things. Do I see comments from Pacwireless about improving thier 29 db 5 ghz grids? Nope. But Equinox has kept me informed and in the loop. Honestly, that's a lot to say about a company.Nobody makes perfect stuff... But if they do thier honest best to make things right, it goes a long ways toward keeping customers happy. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Chadd Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has > made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. > > I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. > > WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... > > I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending > time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying > to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to > get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in > the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to > install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix > for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist. > > I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water > and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with > the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was > a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again > only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be > installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them > about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month > later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they > could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a > tower because of this. > > I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential > customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting > to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I > couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix. > > I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on > longer cable runs and having to buy new wall worts for some units. > > I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would > properly work with the ethernet ports on the units. > > I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units > causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an > issue on units I have not replaces
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Chadd, I've experienced the same issues with Trango tech support. I really really, really had to tell the guy on the phone that I knew what I was doing. Yes, a firmware fix was the answer. It was a bad experience but all in all I've had a very good experience with Trango products. I used them primarily as backhauls. Here's my $.02: I've got two M5800 systems that I purchased from Sunstream (for those of you who don't know...Sunstream products became Trango products). 4 years and going strong without the need to reboot for about 2 years (after the firmware fix of course). They (Sunstream) ran an advertisement in a magazine that I picked up that said they'd do 10mbps at 10 miles for under $2k. That (under $2k) was the draw for me at the time as we were only 6 months into the business at the time. This stuff has been great and they have traditionally been on the lower side cost-wise for a quality product. They do have problems. They fix them. They save us money. I hope to hear and experience good things about this new move. I intend to buy some and deploy them after the first or second rev of firmware fixes. I have faith in Trango as a product more than a company. It should work out...hopefully the product will live up to its promise. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist. I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a tower because of this. I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix. I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on longer cable runs and having to buy new wall worts for some units. I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would properly work with the ethernet ports on the units. I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas I remember prices being jacked around. The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them. You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having problems. THE GOOD stuff!!! I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link. Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance and latency than with my Alvarion 900 customers, alvarion is a master and noise avoidance though when compared to T900. My link-10's just hum right along since the bugs were fixed. Besides the condensation issue on the INT units. I do think they are getting a bit better with regards to customer relations though and their tech support department was very personable and willing to help out last time I had to call them. So I hope this is a sign of things to come from them. I have been beating my head on the wall trying to figure out what equipment I want to use for a few new POP's this year and admit it would be nice if Trango pulled it together with a good line up of cost effective, feature rich and most of all bug free equipment early this year to add to my list of choices. Sorry for the rambling Chadd. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I hate those routers, really. I find thier configuration mechanisms frustrating or annoying. Some are just downright almost unworkable. Since my CPE does full routing / NAT firewalling, etc... I still love it. That's an extra box I don't ahve to buy and whatnot. And yes, I understand you CAN use these. I love the reliability and s tability of my staros boxes. I think in the last 12 months I've had 1 or 2 WRAP based CPE need rebooted or restarted. Having the exact same thing at every site is nice :) It would take me a while to develop confidence in one of those consumer level routers. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast Internet, NO WIRES!- - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history We have been installing Linksys / Dlink / Belkin routers at every install for almost 4 years. Customers get an "internal" wireless, we help protect them by having a firewall, and we then have a device we can monitor (with ping) to check their connection.TravisMicroservMark Koskenmaki wrote: Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could... Be dreaming? Sorry, Tom, I had to do that. It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level. It's not going to "lure" me away from my staros yet. It may, however, end up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller cells. If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) and sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell... It might be less costly than my star-os system. I am not yet prepared to give up on routing at the cpe end for normal installs. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qt
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We have been installing Linksys / Dlink / Belkin routers at every install for almost 4 years. Customers get an "internal" wireless, we help protect them by having a firewall, and we then have a device we can monitor (with ping) to check their connection. Travis Microserv Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could... Be dreaming? Sorry, Tom, I had to do that. It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level. It's not going to "lure" me away from my staros yet. It may, however, end up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller cells. If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) and sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell... It might be less costly than my star-os system. I am not yet prepared to give up on routing at the cpe end for normal installs. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Trango... Thanks! PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, " If I only had a CPE for $75", I don't think my heart could take the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Yeah, I wondered why. Now I know. No way could they support a distributor model at these prices... North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > Damn...If I didn't know any better there were several people bitching > about Trango cutting out their distributors and going direct. I think I > remember people saying "That's it...I'll never buy from them again". > > Now they have $149 CPE. Hm.Should be interesting to see > what happens now > > :-) > > -- > Bob Moldashel > Lakeland Communications, Inc. > Broadband Deployment Group > 1350 Lincoln Avenue > Holbrook, New York 11741 USA > 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada > 631-585-5558 Fax > 516-551-1131 Cell > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could... Be dreaming? Sorry, Tom, I had to do that. It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level. It's not going to "lure" me away from my staros yet. It may, however, end up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller cells. If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) and sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell... It might be less costly than my star-os system. I am not yet prepared to give up on routing at the cpe end for normal installs. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history > I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. > It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in > shock. > > Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, > before they shipped. > This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. > Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? > Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag > after we realized the advantages? > Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross > platform supported! > They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was > likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. > What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able > shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. > > I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI > on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks > Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, > and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks > Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). > Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". > It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would > say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment > in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. > But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly > paid $500 for, less than a year ago. > > I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. > After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all > dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. > Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 > CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" > Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a > time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we > were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs > were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z > was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just > qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. > > I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room > tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and > crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with > this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential > market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have > a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make > sure I wasn't dreaming. > > Trango... Thanks! > > PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, " If I only had a CPE for $75", I don't think my > heart could take the results. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Yep. 900 is what I need. 5.8.ya right. 2.4sometimes. 900...hits the spot. Travis Johnson wrote: Tom, I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 5.8ghz product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 60-70 of the 2.4ghz product per month... mainly because of the totally amazing distance (15-20 miles is a no brainer... 25-30 miles is possible with a grid antenna attached). We love the 2.4ghz product. Now we just need it cheaper... not $149... even $250ish would be great. :) Then there is the 900mhz product the "lifesaver" if there ever was one... we now have over 400 customers deployed on 900mhz... customers that we would not have gotten without a 900mhz product on the market. Same with this product line... we need a $250ish CPE... :) And, not to ruin the party on this thread, but you realize the downside is now every little mom and pop shop can now afford Trango? How many of your competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. :( Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Trango... Thanks! PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, " If I only had a CPE for $75", I don't think my heart could take the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Tom, I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 5.8ghz product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 60-70 of the 2.4ghz product per month... mainly because of the totally amazing distance (15-20 miles is a no brainer... 25-30 miles is possible with a grid antenna attached). We love the 2.4ghz product. Now we just need it cheaper... not $149... even $250ish would be great. :) Then there is the 900mhz product the "lifesaver" if there ever was one... we now have over 400 customers deployed on 900mhz... customers that we would not have gotten without a 900mhz product on the market. Same with this product line... we need a $250ish CPE... :) And, not to ruin the party on this thread, but you realize the downside is now every little mom and pop shop can now afford Trango? How many of your competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. :( Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Trango... Thanks! PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, " If I only had a CPE for $75", I don't think my heart could take the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
Damn...If I didn't know any better there were several people bitching about Trango cutting out their distributors and going direct. I think I remember people saying "That's it...I'll never buy from them again". Now they have $149 CPE. Hm.Should be interesting to see what happens now :-) -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/