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> From: "Mike Hammett"
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:05 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
>
>> To align it more closely with the telecom world, consider the
>> followin
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y, December 23, 2010 11:41 AM
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Normally I don't open a message from MDK for fear of witnessing what I
have become accustomed to. It took me a few days to do it, but I did
op
: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
At 12/23/2010 02:19 PM, MDK wrote:
That was the camel's nose in the tent, so to speak.
NN and content regulation is merely some more of the camel through the d
t;
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules prom
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From: Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
Normally I don't open a message from MDK for fear of witnessing what I have
become accustomed to. It took me a few days to do it, but I
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> Well, no, what IS PROFOUNDLY BROKEN is
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Yes, by the fact that a private pe
Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
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Yes, by the fact that a private person doing business is forced to report
anything to the government is wrong. It breaks the trues spirit of capitalism &
freedom that this country
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> To align it more closely with the telecom world, consider the
> f
een done in the first place.
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>> From: "Fred Goldstein"
>> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 6:56 PM
>>
ess-boun...@wispa.org [
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
At 12/21/2010 05:14 PM, MDK wrote:
Fred gave his reasons, which if I were to answer to,
net easy
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From: "Fred Goldstein" mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 6:56 PM
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
spa.org] *On Behalf Of *Fred Goldstein
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
At 12/21/2010 05:14 PM, MDK wrote:
Fred gave his reasons, which if I were to answer to, I'd have to
quote him, but the gist of what
To align it more closely with the telecom world, consider the
following. The city gave you an exclusive license to operate a grocery
for 100 years, but you refused to accept credit cards, had manual doors,
and rang up all prices by looking them up in a book.
Since you were protected from new g
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
No, we LOST. You see, once they have the power, they have the power.It
is not a victory to be partially regulated, or to get "partial exemption".
I
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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 6:56 PM
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...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
The real question is does the FCC have the jurisdiction to do any of this. I
think when one of
very quickly.
Rick
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
The real question is does the FCC have the
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> From: "Fred Goldstein"
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> To: "WISPA General List"
> Subject
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> From: "Fred Goldstein"
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 6:56 PM
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Subject: Re: [WIS
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On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
At 12/21/2010 05:14 PM, MDK wrote:
Fred gave his reasons, which if I were
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:30 PM, MDK wrote:
> Jeromie, my socialist (or was that anarchist, I can't ever remember) friend,
> how are ya? I was thinking about making a run to a wrecking yard up that
> way and stopping by to see how things were going.
>
> Anyway, each time I read this "solution"
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:30 PM, MDK wrote:
> Jeromie, my socialist (or was that anarchist, I can't ever remember) friend,
> how are ya?
Hey buddy, I have a lake with your name on it.
> I was thinking about making a run to a wrecking yard up that
> way and stopping by to see how things were go
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From: Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
At 12/21/2010 05:14 PM
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
At 12/21/2010 05:14 PM, MDK wrote:
Fred gave his reasons
At 12/21/2010 05:14 PM, MDK wrote:
Fred gave his reasons, which if I were to answer to, I'd have to
quote him, but the gist of what he said, was that the NEXT operator
to come along would have to pay MORE to compete than the original.
Yes, to reach the first customer, as well as on a per-cus
Jeromie, my socialist (or was that anarchist, I can't ever remember) friend,
how are ya? I was thinking about making a run to a wrecking yard up that
way and stopping by to see how things were going.
Anyway, each time I read this "solution" it reminds me why it won't work.
Let's say I move to
hat should never have been done is remove the ISPs' open access to
> the telcos' wire.
>
> And what should not be done now is regulate small, non-dominant
> non-telco ISPs the same way as the telcos.
>
>
>
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From: David E. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 15:08, MDK wrote:
So, I disagree with his premise, and his arg
At 12/21/2010 04:16 PM, FaisalI wrote:
>I think you mis-reading what Fred Wrote...
>
>Wireline (wires in the ground) are a natural monopoly...
>Wireline does not automatically equal = Wired Telephony..
That's correct. I was referring to the medium of wire
lines. Telephony is one application o
You know where I am.
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From: Faisal Imtiaz
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 15:08, MDK wrote:
> So, I disagree with his premise, and his argument about the premise, that
> wired telephony is a "natural monopoly", and I'm not allowed to say so?
>
If you claim telephony isn't a natural monopoly, by the definition of that
phrase, you have to back u
;>
>>> On 12/21/2010 3:06 PM, MDK wrote:
>>>> I wholeheartedly disagree with your premise.
>>>>
>>>>> From that point on, we have little to debate about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> From: "Faisal Imtiaz"
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:31 PM
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules pro
isal Imtiaz"
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List"
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
> It is tough to have a meaningful discussion when you make comments as
> such ..
>
> You don't have to agree with Fred,
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> From: "Fred Goldstein"
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 11:43 AM
> To: "WISPA General List"
>
ke I said almost a year ago... Ya'll gonna have to
decide which side of this fence ya wanna be on.
You know where I am.
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*From:* Faisal Imtiaz <mailto:fai...@snappyds
PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
At 12/21/2010 01:57 PM, MDK wrote:
>The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
>pretending you can "fix" what you broke by half-baked notions of government
>created
uot;Fred Goldstein"
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 11:43 AM
To: "WISPA General List"
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
> At 12/21/2010 01:57 PM, MDK wrote:
>
>>The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
>>pretending y
n access to
the telcos' wire.
And what should not be done now is regulate small, non-dominant
non-telco ISPs the same way as the telcos.
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But, like I said almost
a year ago... Ya'll gonna have to decide which side of this fence ya wanna be
on.
You know where I am.
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From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, Decembe
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
Excuse me but is your signature big enough on this e-mail??
:-)
regarding this FCC thing...
Some how, some way this thing will bite us in the butt and reward the big guys.
-B-
On 12/20/2010 8:05 PM, St. Louis Broadband
cember 20, 2010 6:27 PM
To: "WISPA General List"
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
> 'Dude'... get a grip.. get out of this business, get some sanity into
>
ent: Monday, December 20, 2010 6:56 PM
To: "WISPA General List"
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
> Well, no, what IS PROFOUNDLY BROKEN is that the ILECs are no longer
> required to be common carriers. They built their network using
> common carrier
desperate search of a "broken" and the closest thing to
>> a
>> > "broken" they can find is a hypothetical that isn't a disaster in the
>> first
>> > place.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > +
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*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
*On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Monday, December 20, 2010 9:27 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
'Dude'... get a grip.. get out of t
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Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
'Dude'... get a grip.. get out of this business, get some sanity in
>
>
>
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> From: "Jeromie Reeves"mailto:jree...@18-30chat.net>>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Charles N Wyble
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> On 12/20/2010 04:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed)
>> wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I w
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*On Behalf Of *Joe Fiero
*Sent:* Monday, December 20, 2010 4:12 PM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
It
Charles, I know that you are aware of this but it's worth repeating - there
is a huge difference between regulated telephone companys and unregulated
ISP's. As I'm sure you are also well aware of - the phone cos get lots of
subsidy money, ISP's dont. So why compare them?
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On 12/20/2010 04:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed)
> wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would
> like to knwo what parts of this particular proposal you have
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On 12/20/2010 06:52 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 12/20/2010 07:56 PM, Jeromie wrote:
>> While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed)
>> wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would
>> like to knwo wha
" they can find is a hypothetical that isn't a disaster in the
> first
> > place.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ++
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find is a hypothetical that isn't a disaster in the first
>> place.
>>
>>
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At 12/20/2010 08:36 PM, MDK wrote:
>I am opposed to ALL aspects, period. Nothing is broken such that it needs
>the atomic bomb of government to fix it.
>
>This is a fix in desperate search of a "broken" and the closest thing to a
>"broken" they can find is a hypothetical that isn't a disaster in
I don't know
> > when people forgot that according to the Constitution, we tell the
> > government what to do and where to get off, not the other way around.
> >
> >
> >
> > ++
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At 12/20/2010 07:30 PM, MDK wrote:
No, we LOST. You see, once they have the power, they have the
power.It is not a victory to be partially regulated, or to get
"partial exemption".
I cannot imagine why industry is rolling over and playing dead for this.
As far as I'm concerned it's "com
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> From: "Jeromie Reeves"
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:56 PM
> To: "WISPA General List"
aster in the first
place.
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To: "WISPA General List"
Sub
ehalf Of MDK
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 7:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
No, we LOST. You see, once they have the power, they have the power.It
is not a victory to be partially regulated, or to get "partial exemption".
ct: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
It's good to see all our efforts pay off.
REUTERS updated 2 minutes ago 2010-12-20T21:45:55
WASHINGTON - The Federal Communications Commission is expected to adopt
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he
> government what to do and where to get off, not the other way around.
>
>
>
> ++
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> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:12 PM
> To: 'WISPA Gen
ent what to do
and where to get off, not the other way around.
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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:12 PM
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Subject: [
It's good to see all our efforts pay off.
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WASHINGTON - The Federal Communications Commission is expected to adopt
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