Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-28 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
Glad to see it works for you. I have heard a couple other success stories but Butch's (my Mikrotik prophet) suggestion is to use Cisco for BGP. Cisco or ImageStream. ImageStream is cheaper and offers more functionality (besides just BGP, I mean). Perhaps flexibility is a better word

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-28 Thread can...@believewireless.net
The main advantage of Imagestream is that you get their tech support people. When I've had problems that I thought were Imagestream related, they helped point to the Mikrotik server that wasn't doing something right. Cisco's support is very good as well but much more expensive than Imagestream.

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-28 Thread Josh Luthman
I have had quite a bit of problems with the early double digits of 3.1x on the PowerRouter 732 (dual core CPU). 3.13 has been beautiful so far. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-28 Thread can...@believewireless.net
3.13 has been what we've been using as well on X86 hardware with success as well. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I have had quite a bit of problems with the early double digits of 3.1x on the PowerRouter 732 (dual core CPU). 3.13 has been

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-28 Thread Josh Luthman
I run the latest and greatest at home on x86. Intel motherboard/cpu/NIC (as much as I hate Intel motherboards I have to admit it is working quite well). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-26 Thread jp
;) P.S. are you using MPLS? Hello, MPLS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-26 Thread eje
circular in our network configuration. Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:01:08 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-26 Thread jp
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-26 Thread Josh Luthman
23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would be much

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Glad to see it works for you. I have heard a couple other success stories but Butch's (my Mikrotik prophet) suggestion is to use Cisco for BGP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-26 Thread Ian Ellison
, January 26, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Glad to see it works for you. I have heard a couple other success stories but Butch's (my Mikrotik prophet) suggestion is to use Cisco for BGP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-26 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 13:11 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: Glad to see it works for you. I have heard a couple other success stories but Butch's (my Mikrotik prophet) suggestion is to use Cisco for BGP. Cisco or ImageStream. ImageStream is cheaper and offers more functionality (besides just BGP,

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-25 Thread Nathan Stooke
Hello, Right now they are manually configured tunnels. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-25 Thread Gino Villarini
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hello, I just talked to my CTO, he loves MPLS and would never go back. It solves a ton of issues with routed networks

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-25 Thread Nathan Stooke
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Nathan, What type of router are you guys using? Cisco or Mikrotik? We also

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-25 Thread John Scrivner
Butch said: Yes. I have said for over 2 years that MPLS is more a marketing ploy than a necessary technology. I remember standing in front of Brad Belton's office discussing this exact subject. MPLS is likely to be a necessary item for some JUST to be able to sell the same product. Cisco

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-25 Thread Jeff Broadwick
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Butch said: Yes. I have said for over 2 years that MPLS is more

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-25 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 10:59 -0600, John Scrivner wrote: Butch said: Yes. I have said for over 2 years that MPLS is more a marketing ploy than a necessary technology. I remember standing in front of Brad Belton's office discussing this exact subject. MPLS is likely to be a necessary

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-25 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 12:58 -0500, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I'll have to agree with John here. There certainly is a LOT of hype surrounding MPLS, and many, if not most, of the people who are demanding it really don't need it. Don't mistake that for genuine applications that will require MPLS.

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 17:23 +0100, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes. While there are some bugs in SOME versions of Mikrotik's RouterOS releases, it is far

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-24 Thread Nathan Stooke
smooth. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 17:23 +0100, Paolo

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-24 Thread Josh Luthman
: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 17:23 +0100, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-24 Thread Nathan Stooke
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Soo.what is the most STP switches anyone has had on a single collision domain? On 1/24/09, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com wrote: Hello, We rolled out MPLS more to get VPLS. While we have plans to really utilize the MPLS we really

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-24 Thread Nathan Stooke
, January 24, 2009 8:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hello, We have 3 on another part of our network, but I know you can do more. It works really well for our setup. We are using RSTP so we do not even loose a ping when it changes over

[WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
Dear All I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches. Also wondering what do you

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Josh Luthman
If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler. Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though? On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Dear All I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged environment (via radio-bridges) with the

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler. Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though? On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Dear All I am

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Gino Villarini
Problems like? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 23, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would be much

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Nathan Stooke
Hello, MPLS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Travis Johnson
. are you using MPLS? Hello, MPLS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Josh Luthman
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Jerry Richardson
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:23:33 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hi Travis to be honest mikrotik routing is not working

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Josh Luthman
] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Randy Cosby
: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine, depending on how much traffic you need to move. Travis Microserv Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Hi Nathan

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
-Original Message- From: Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:23:33 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hi Travis to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from being

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine, depending on how much traffic you need to move. Travis Microserv Paolo Di Francesco wrote

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Jerry Richardson
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? They sure like to rub it in don't they :) Randy Josh Luthman wrote: I die a little inside every time I hear about this year's Animal Farm as I couldn't make it =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Nathan Stooke
: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hi Nathan, it could be a solution, but: 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS. Any other suggestion welcome. 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
, 2009 10:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hi Nathan, it could be a solution, but: 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS. Any other suggestion welcome. 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
Routed is the way to go. Think of this, the internet is routed, why should you not be.. I support hundreds of networks running RouterOS most with dynamic routing, with very little issues. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Kevin Neal
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? just coming back to the original topic: is everybody using routed backbone or somebody is playing with the switched/mpls thing

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
Parrebbe che gli sfigati siamo solo noi... bha... We are using a routed backbone with Mikrotik's OSPF. We have Mikrotik working without problems with product from ImageStream, Cisco, and Juniper. I haven't tried anything MPLS yet, we've been too busy to experiment with it. The only

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Nathan Stooke
Hello, Right now 8. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? just for curiosity: how

Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

2009-01-23 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
sorry, not meant to send it here. I need some more coffee I guess...hum :/ Parrebbe che gli sfigati siamo solo noi... bha... We are using a routed backbone with Mikrotik's OSPF. We have Mikrotik working without problems with product from ImageStream, Cisco, and Juniper. I haven't