Re: [WISPA] Insurance once again

2017-02-14 Thread RickG
Just be sure to educate yourself on your insurance needs and review the policy with a fine tooth comb! On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Adair Winter wrote: > Risk strategies has been awesome > > On Feb 3, 2017 12:07 PM, "Marco Coelho" wrote: >

Re: [WISPA] Insurance once again

2017-02-13 Thread Jan-OOLLC
they misplaced their Cohones? Is the sky falling? What other insurers exist? Jan V On 02/13/2017 11:11 AM, Adair Winter wrote: Risk strategies has been awesome On Feb 3, 2017 12:07 PM, "Marco Coelho" > wrote: Apparently Liberty Mutual

Re: [WISPA] Insurance once again

2017-02-13 Thread Adair Winter
Risk strategies has been awesome On Feb 3, 2017 12:07 PM, "Marco Coelho" wrote: > > Apparently Liberty Mutual has misplaced their testes and has sent us a > non-renewal notice with reason code being they no longer insure ISPs. No > losses for a decade. > > Any suggestions

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2017-02-13 Thread Ryan Keeley
iately by reply email then delete and destroy any printed copies. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 8:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance once again I had the same issue. After going to a

Re: [WISPA] Insurance once again

2017-02-07 Thread Clay Stewart
Go local, or nearby city. On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > > Apparently Liberty Mutual has misplaced their testes and has sent us a > non-renewal notice with reason code being they no longer insure ISPs. No > losses for a decade. > > Any suggestions out

Re: [WISPA] Insurance once again

2017-02-03 Thread RickG
I had the same issue. After going to a LOCAL, REPUTABLE AGENT we ended up saving money and can beat on his door when/if there are issues! On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > > Apparently Liberty Mutual has misplaced their testes and has sent us a >

Re: [WISPA] Insurance once again

2017-02-03 Thread Keefe John
This happens all the time. No matter what your 'agent' says, make sure the carrier actually covers ISPs and tower climbers. These two companies FOR SURE cover this: Chubb Hanover Keefe On 2/3/2017 12:07 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: Apparently Liberty Mutual has misplaced their testes and has

[WISPA] Insurance once again

2017-02-03 Thread Marco Coelho
Apparently Liberty Mutual has misplaced their testes and has sent us a non-renewal notice with reason code being they no longer insure ISPs. No losses for a decade. Any suggestions out there? We're talking about bulidings, towers, liability, etc. Thanks in advance. -- Marco C. Coelho

Re: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)

2010-05-20 Thread Marco Coelho
Again, the Hartford. A couple of claims in 10 years. No issues. mc On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:35 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: www.selectiveinsurance.com I've been very happy with them for several years now. With that said, I've never had a claim. Maybe the better question is: Who is

[WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)

2010-05-17 Thread Scott Carullo
I'm having a hard time finding someone to insure us for the requirements below... Employer's liability insurance in an amount not less than $1,000,000 each occurrence. Commercial General Liability (including completed operations and contractual liability) on an occurrence basis with limits of

Re: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)

2010-05-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Insurance

Re: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)

2010-05-17 Thread Marco Coelho
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one) I'm having a hard time finding someone to insure us for the requirements below... Employer's liability insurance in an amount not less than

Re: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)

2010-05-17 Thread Rick Harnish
Subject: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one) I'm having a hard time finding someone to insure us for the requirements below... Employer's liability insurance in an amount not less than $1,000,000 each occurrence. Commercial General Liability (including completed operations

Re: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)

2010-05-17 Thread Blake Bowers
today. - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:59 AM Subject: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one) I'm having a hard time finding someone to insure us for the requirements below... Employer's liability

Re: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)

2010-05-17 Thread RickG
www.selectiveinsurance.com I've been very happy with them for several years now. With that said, I've never had a claim. Maybe the better question is: Who is happy with their insurance company AFTER they've had a claim? -RickG On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Scott Carullo

[WISPA] Insurance

2010-02-03 Thread Jeremie Chism
Outside of general liability insurance what insurance are some of you using. Also any recommendations on companies? Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

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2010-02-03 Thread Robert West
, 2010 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance Outside of general liability insurance what insurance are some of you using. Also any recommendations on companies? Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants

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2010-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
and was either too stupid to notice or too scared to tell anyone? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance Outside

Re: [WISPA] Insurance

2010-02-03 Thread Robert West
I think the technical insurance term for that is coveringyourass. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance You

Re: [WISPA] Insurance

2010-02-03 Thread RickG
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance You can have your subcontractors put you on the list of people to update with any insurance

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2010-02-03 Thread D. Ryan Spott
: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance You can have your subcontractors put you on the list of people to update with any insurance changes. This will tell you if their insurance is halted because of payment, or whatever. Can't remember

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-10 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 9, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Matt, would you mind clarifying.When you said... have not the left the business, did you mean I don't mind clarifying, but I am not sure what the interest is. 1) Have not left OneRing/RapidLink, and are involved in a non-employee

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-10 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:29 AM, rwf wrote: Oh? So you are still a WISP then? What is your company called? Guess your filter still isn't working then. I am not a WISP and never have been. If you think you know something and would like to get yourself and others in trouble then by all means

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-10 Thread Patrick Leary
Unlicensed to kill of course. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

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2009-12-09 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
? -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 4:59 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance And I guess because you know someone from Canada/Britain/France/Spain/ etc that swears the healthcare is worse then they make it out

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2009-12-09 Thread Matt Liotta
I can't reread what you said. I can however reread what you wrote. I suggest you do the same. You state that you weren't commenting on the whole healthcare debate. Yet you were responding to a thread that was specifically a healthcare debate. Thus, it is reasonable to take your comments in

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-09 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:32 PM, MDK wrote: As I stated before... Medicare reimburses such low amounts, that ever doctor, hospital, clinic, lab, etc, that accepts it does so at a loss. Not just no profit but at a loss.Not only that, but Medicare has the highest level of financial

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2009-12-09 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:29 PM, MDK wrote: I'm sure you're a nice guy... But you're trying to convince a lot of people who know better by long years of experience, that life would be beautiful and all will be fine, if we just give Congress a few more trillion dollars a year of our hard

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2009-12-09 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:20 AM, MDK wrote: Every country with a government run medical system Denies routine medical care, extraordinary medical care, or expensive medical care on a routine basis. This is why babies delivered by the NHS hospitals in Britain are less than 90% born

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2009-12-09 Thread Matt Liotta
, 2009 4:59 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance And I guess because you know someone from Canada/Britain/France/ Spain/ etc that swears the healthcare is worse then they make it out to be and that the US is where everyone with money goes

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2009-12-09 Thread Mike
This little historical item says a lot about this subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread rwf
Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I even

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread Brad Belton
, December 09, 2009 8:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread Michael Baird
Agreed, it's long since ceased to be a debate anyway and turned into a propaganda session. Regards Michael Baird Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:50 AM, rwf wrote: Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. It is not my debate. I believe the list was discussing this for at least 3 days before I made my first post. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active.

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread Matt Liotta
? Not anymore? If true, that really is interesting... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread Chuck Profito
Liotta Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest I am not longer with Rapid Link/One Ring as an employee, but I have not left the business. Ralph likes to speak out of turn. -Matt On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Brad Belton

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread Robert West
- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest Agreed, it's long since ceased to be a debate anyway

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
) You cant talk about what you are doing now.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread Patrick Leary
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest MMmm... What does Hotel California and Wireless Execs have in common? you can check in, but you can never leave :-) Sounds like Matt is saying he still has vested interest to stay involved in RL/OR to protect his investment revenue

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread MDK
to prove you wrong. I did :) -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest Wireless denizens never die, we just

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread RickG
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest MMmm... What does Hotel California and Wireless Execs have in common? you can check in, but you can never leave

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread 3-dB Networks
Wideband or narrowband :-P Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest

2009-12-09 Thread rwf
Oh? So you are still a WISP then? What is your company called? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt

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2009-12-08 Thread Owen Harrell
List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Yup, in the past century, America stopped being the land of opportunity and became the land of guarantees. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf

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2009-12-08 Thread os10rules
. Owen Harrell -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul C Diem Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Yup, in the past century, America stopped being

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2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul C Diem Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Yup, in the past century, America stopped being the land of opportunity and became the land of guarantees. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net

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2009-12-08 Thread os10rules
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul C Diem Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Yup, in the past century, America stopped being the land of opportunity

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2009-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett
. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 20:15

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2009-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett
List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Why not? Just extend what is already in place with Medicare and enroll people region by region. While at it, lump the other government single payer plans into it like the VA and Railroad Workers. -Original Message- From

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2009-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett
, December 07, 2009 8:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance I'd like to make a quick comment about single payer. Its generally painted as being a great socialist evil in the US. That's not quite true, although there are bound to be instances where

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2009-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett
that with healthcare! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance So is food

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2009-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Lets get our fact straight. The WHO report that you are referencing that puts us at 37 is also reported to have a number of flaws. And Cuba on that report is actually lower than the US, at #39. http://www.photius.com

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2009-12-08 Thread os10rules
On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: a proper single-payer plan would save me a few dollars. Is this a fact? We're going to have something bigger and better for more people and it's going to cost less? When I was in the merchant marine we went to the container port

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2009-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett
: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message

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2009-12-08 Thread David E. Smith
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 09:22, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: What's great about the commercial insurers, is that if you're not happy with how one company is ran, you can move to another. Except that you often can't, thanks to the weasel words pre-existing conditions. And even

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2009-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett
: [WISPA] Insurance On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 22:06, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Um, thats what happens now. I pay mine and you pay yours. So, wheres the problem? Oh ya, there are those that cant or choose not to. So now we want to force them to? And I thought this country was founded

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2009-12-08 Thread os10rules
But look at their healthcare at #144 http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Our profit is what drives the medical research and inspiration to make something better. Actually,

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2009-12-08 Thread Brad Belton
Sure sign of a person losing his argument...personal attacks. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

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2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Not sure where you got this info Matt. I've seen just the opposite. In Mississippi they had lost most of the OB/GYN docs. They are now getting what they need since they enacted tort reform. You've seen or read the studies? Because

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2009-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett
jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Not in some states Mike. I think California only has 4-6 insurance companies that are allowed to sell policies in the state. That's one of the big

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2009-12-08 Thread Brad Belton
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance You've got that one wrong. Studies have shown that in states where tort reform was enacted there was no effect on the number

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2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Agreed. Tort reform will help save healthcare costs and enable more doctors to practice their trade. My doctor just shut down his practice of 20-30 years and let his entire staff go due to the cost of business growing out of control.

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2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: From the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/us/05doctors.html?_r=1 The article certainly shares some facts and anecdotes regarding the 2003 Texas tort reform. However, it doesn't point to any research that ties cause and effect.

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2009-12-08 Thread Michael Baird
/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:10 AM

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2009-12-08 Thread Andy Trimmell
[Having private options in a public world means you're paying for your healthcare twice. It's like being forced to have Qwest DSL, but electing to have FiOS instead. You're paying for 2 Internet services, one great and the other not.] Kinda like when I was home schooled as a kid and my parents

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2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote: Kinda like when I was home schooled as a kid and my parents had to pay school taxes for public school? Only makes sense that we'd again pay twice for another public option. Good analogy. I don't think your parents had to pay twice. They

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2009-12-08 Thread RickG
. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Oh boy, here we go. Even

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2009-12-08 Thread Michael Baird
The post office is bankrupt, not self supporting. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/18/the-next-bankruptcy-the-u-s-postal-service/ Regards Michael Baird On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote: Kinda like when I was home schooled as a kid and my parents had to pay school taxes

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2009-12-08 Thread RickG
, hurry and decide before there is only one left. Owen Harrell -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul C Diem Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Yup

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2009-12-08 Thread Jack Unger
. Owen Harrell -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul C Diem Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Yup, in the past century, America stopped being the land

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2009-12-08 Thread RickG
China - the land of human rights? The better questions is why they are looking better financially. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Our profit is what drives the medical research and inspiration to make

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2009-12-08 Thread Robert West
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance No kidding. No profits no medical advancements. Where do people go when they seek the best doctors and health system in the world? America. Brad

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2009-12-08 Thread jp
) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance I support a system for people that truly cannot afford

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2009-12-08 Thread Robert West
Hahahahaha! I hope you got it on the first shot. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Just to break up

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2009-12-08 Thread Robert West
7:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance I keep reading what everyone is saying about government and insurance, but I don't really believe you. Most of you say that you are against the government getting involved in health care, that it is a Socialist idea. What I

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2009-12-08 Thread Robert West
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance History should be a guide; not a box. Our country has proven that our system of government and its attitude towards

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2009-12-08 Thread ccrum
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance One of the basic probems IMO is that the whole idea of medical insurance, as currentlky implemented

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2009-12-08 Thread Robert West
I'm moving to Illinois. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance I support a system for people that truly cannot

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2009-12-08 Thread Robert West
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Our profit is what drives the medical research and inspiration to make something better. Actually, most medical

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Blake Bowers
- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Actually, the United States ranks number 37 in the world for the best doctors and health care system. Most Americans are under

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Robert West
: [WISPA] Insurance And I was just headed back to my desk to commend the individuals that have been participating in this discussion on how well they have stayed away from personal attacks on such a polarizing issue that we are all faced with today. Perhaps not directly related to WISPA, most

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Robert West
: [WISPA] Insurance Love the sentiment and agree to it contents Robert...though really none of this belongs on the list any longer. BTW, have you read Taleb's The Black Swan? He is my new favorite philoshopher. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance One of the basic probems IMO is that the whole idea of medical insurance, as currentlky implemented, is fundamentally flawed. Consider selling ISP services under the model

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: If Cuba is so good, why do they rank below the US? Mostly likely because they are such a poor country and can't spend much money on healthcare. -Matt WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Blake Bowers
. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: If Cuba is so good, why do they rank below the US? Mostly likely because

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett
: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:55 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance [Having private options in a public world means you're paying for your healthcare twice. It's like being forced to have Qwest DSL

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett
-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Well, this discussion is about what is coming , not what we have but to make you

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: You can't have it both ways. The survey (which is flawed, but it was brought up) says that Cuba rates below the US. Did you read how the numbers were come up with? I guess I don't understand how I am expecting it both ways. You asked why

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread os10rules
politics should be a No-No. It's 99% of the list now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 8, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Exactly. Bernie Madoff went to jail because of his Ponzi scheme, why didn't FDR for social security? Well, other than the obvious of him dieing. Maybe you don't realize that Madoff fraudulently mislead investors whereas social security is

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance No, not that simple... On 12/7/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Exactly. We are the one and only industrialized country (with whatever industry we might have left) who puts

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Josh Luthman
To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance No kidding. No profits no medical advancements. Where do people go when they seek the best doctors and health system in the world? America. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Robert West
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Exactly. Bernie Madoff went to jail because of his Ponzi scheme, why didn't FDR for social security? Well, other than the obvious of him dieing. Again, if Maryland wants to do social security, great. Leave it out of Kansas. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Robert West
I did, they said it was too darn cold and I agreed. But the beer was good. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread os10rules
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance No kidding. No profits no medical advancements. Where do people go when they seek the best

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread Matt Liotta
On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:56 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, Chill, you're taking a really harsh tone. I'm talking about Cuba because I know about that. I have many Latino friends. I speak Spanish. I know Cubans and I know a lot of people who have been to Cuba. You're putting

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread os10rules
Matt, Please reread what I said. I wasn't commenting on the whole healthcare debate. I was talking about Cuba. CUBA CUBA CUBA. Do you get it now? Just CUBA. Reread the original post and get off your high horse. Have you noticed everyone else stopped replying to you. Everyone

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread MDK
@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Source please? http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq (The overhead numbers come from Won't this be just another bureaucracy?) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-08 Thread MDK
. -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance When you own a business, you take a huge risk using a lot of blood, sweat, tears, time away from the family, worrying about

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