At 6/25/2010 10:45 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
> > OpenWRT and OLSR or BATMAN on a Routerboard or Ubiquiti CPU platform
> > may be ideal, but I need to learn more about OLSR and BATMAN in
> > practice. BATMAN seems to be a distance-vector algorithm, like, uh,
> > DECNET 3 and 4 and IGRP, while OLSR is
> OpenWRT and OLSR or BATMAN on a Routerboard or Ubiquiti CPU platform
> may be ideal, but I need to learn more about OLSR and BATMAN in
> practice. BATMAN seems to be a distance-vector algorithm, like, uh,
> DECNET 3 and 4 and IGRP, while OLSR is link state, like OSPF. I am
> partial to link sta
At 6/21/2010 11:46 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>..From Wili Mesh Website...
>Look at the Supported Platform.. these are pretty much most of the SBC
>Mfg. that make a multi radio board for use in outdoor AP.
At first Wili looked good. But I read some of its forum postings and
learned about its limit
..From Wili Mesh Website...
Look at the Supported Platform.. these are pretty much most of the SBC
Mfg. that make a multi radio board for use in outdoor AP.
Regards.
*SUPPORTED HARDWARE*
*Supported CPU architectures:*
Intel IA32
Intel XScale
MIPS
ARM-9
*Supported 802
At 6/21/2010 01:01 AM, you wrote:
> > MicroTik says they have a meshing protocol, HWMPplus, that provides
> > Layer 2 (this is critical; we're not building a Layer 3 network, and
> > with this many hops, latency and loss are critical) dynamic meshing,
> > essentially applying a routing protocol (sm
> MicroTik says they have a meshing protocol, HWMPplus, that provides
> Layer 2 (this is critical; we're not building a Layer 3 network, and
> with this many hops, latency and loss are critical) dynamic meshing,
> essentially applying a routing protocol (smarter than bridge STPs)
> among nodes.
Ha
At 6/20/2010 04:10 PM, Clint Ricker wrote:
>Inline
>...
>My opinion is that the major work that is done on routing / network
>hardware by the companies with deep pockets is also done for companies
>with deep pockets. So, what you get is stuff designed to solve
>"national" problems, not "small town
Inline
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 6/20/2010 12:32 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>You know your stuff in-side out, hands down there is no argument about
>>that :)
>
> Thanks. :-)
>
>>Getting back to your original quest... You are going to find the following:-
>>
>>The
At 6/20/2010 01:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>Fred, all these years I've known you, I had no idea you had wireless
>knowledge like this. Usually those wireline guys are pretty "focused"
>in their knowledge. :-p
I'm terribly unfocused. Well, I started on the radio side... got my
first ham ticket
Fred, all these years I've known you, I had no idea you had wireless
knowledge like this. Usually those wireline guys are pretty "focused"
in their knowledge. :-p
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 6/20/2010 11:19 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 6/20/
I am blushing... I cannot even hold a candle to Fred
For those of you who do not know Fredhe is the 'Jack Ungar' of the
wireline world.. He not only know the Technical Stuff (very formally &
practical implementations) but is also a respected expert in Regulatory
Affairs in the CLEC world
I'd love to get Faisal and Fred in a room together and just be a fly on the
wall ...
Friendly Regards,
Mike
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At 6/20/2010 12:32 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>You know your stuff in-side out, hands down there is no argument about
>that :)
Thanks. :-)
>Getting back to your original quest... You are going to find the following:-
>
>The non-licensed wireless world is not as mature as the wire line
>world... thi
You know your stuff in-side out, hands down there is no argument about
that :)
Getting back to your original quest... You are going to find the following:-
The non-licensed wireless world is not as mature as the wire line
world... think of today's wire less world being what the wire line world
At 6/19/2010 06:43 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
>On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> > "that's a few radio hops away from anywhere. And that's one
> reason why per-hop latency is all-critical"
> >
> > To put things in context... from what we have seen typical
> latency between rad
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> "that's a few radio hops away from anywhere. And that's one reason why
> per-hop latency is all-critical"
>
> To put things in context... from what we have seen typical latency between
> radios (for a single link) are between 1ms to 2ms...
Thanks. Just a few more questions please.
1. If you use self-configuring gear doesn't that mean at least as far as the
backhaul it's all on the same frequency? Wouldn't a system where you manually
configure the backhaul legs to use separate frequencies reduce
self-interference and allow avoidan
On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Hi Aaron,
>
> Any one installed OSLR on Ubiquiti M Series ? Any info / instructions
> on that ?
I will check that - but we for sure installed it on other AirOS systems.
In general (this is one of the big advantage of OLSR being on layer 3) ,
On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> Are you seeing benefits from the mesh approach that you wouldn't get from
> backhaul/APs? Doesn't the mesh gear usually have omni-directional antennas
> which can be problematic in an RF polluted environment.
>
Yes, note two things please:
1) y
"that's a few radio hops away from anywhere. And that's one reason why per-hop
latency is all-critical"
To put things in context... from what we have seen typical latency between
radios (for a single link) are between 1ms to 2ms... The Moto Canopy are an
exception they have much higher latency
Hi Aaron,
Any one installed OSLR on Ubiquiti M Series ? Any info / instructions
on that ?
Thanks.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet& Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
On 6/18/2010 7:12 PM, L. Aaron Kapl
At 6/18/2010 07:21 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
>Are you seeing benefits from the mesh approach that you wouldn't get
>from backhaul/APs? Doesn't the mesh gear usually have
>omni-directional antennas which can be problematic in an RF polluted
>environment.
There's more than one type of "mesh" out ther
Really depends on what you are trying to accomplish..
e.g. There are a number of large mesh networks (or mess-networks)
using Meraki / Open Mesh etc...
(in these cases, the Mesh is used for being able to provide access to
end users, while the Internet Connection is feed at multiple
poi
Greg,
With all due respect, while you statements may be accurate for
particular situations, but they are totally inaccurate for other situations.
These Generic statements do not hold true for today "Mesh" networks.
e.g. You can deploy a Ruckus Wireless Mesh, (they now have both indoor &
outdoo
Are you seeing benefits from the mesh approach that you wouldn't get from
backhaul/APs? Doesn't the mesh gear usually have omni-directional antennas
which can be problematic in an RF polluted environment.
Greg
On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:41 PM, L. Aaron Kaplan wrote:
> I agree with Faisal here...
>
By the way - I forgot to say that OLSR.org does run on Mikrotik
(with some minor tricks on getting a pkg installed ;-)
>
>
> Are you sure this is what you are needing ? You can very easily do a
> hybrid approach.. where you have an "Engineered Back Bone" Links (these
> could be fully meshe
Hi!
>
> Typically most folks think of a deployment as one (Mesh... turn on, let
> it self connect / self configure etc) or the other .. Engineered Link &
> Engineered Routing Protocol
>
> Are you sure this is what you are needing ? You can very easily do a
> hybrid approach.. where you
Even "mesh" networks have to be engineered, especially if you want it to work
well. One could just scatter mesh radios and that would give self-configuration
and self-healing but the performance wouldn't be good.
To get "self-healing" you have to have redundancy and then you start getting
into
At 6/18/2010 05:52 PM, you wrote:
>Hi Fred,
>In my opinion there is bit of an oxymoron in your original question /
>thought..
>
>On-one hand you are looking for a "Mesh" product, which implies a self
>configuring / self healing product... but you are also pointing out that
>this is not going to
r a Layer 1 or Layer 2
> mesh. (SkyPilot is layer 1, with Ethernet at the edges. Perfect
> except for frequency agility. An it ain't cheap.) So tell me more...
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:23 PM
>To: wireless@wispa.org
>Subject: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?
>
>First off, I'd like to say hello to the list. Mike Hammett po
Hi Fred,
In my opinion there is bit of an oxymoron in your original question /
thought..
On-one hand you are looking for a "Mesh" product, which implies a self
configuring / self healing product... but you are also pointing out that
this is not going to work as a whole and you will have to
.
http://www.bluemesh.net
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:23 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?
First off, I'd like to say hello to the
At 6/18/2010 04:47 PM, L. Aaron Kaplan wrote:
>On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>(I wrote:)
> >
> > MicroTik says they have a meshing protocol, HWMPplus, that provides
> > Layer 2 (this is critical; we're not building a Layer 3 network, and
> > with this many hops, latency and lo
On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>
> MicroTik says they have a meshing protocol, HWMPplus, that provides
> Layer 2 (this is critical; we're not building a Layer 3 network, and
> with this many hops, latency and loss are critical) dynamic meshing,
> essentially applying a routin
ning - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 3:23 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?
First off, I'd like
First off, I'd like to say hello to the list. Mike Hammett pointed
me at it a couple of weeks ago, after I posted a wireless-related
question (wireless in the trees) at isp-clec, and he reposted it
here. This list is a lot more active... I've been reading the past
few months archives and it's
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