RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-21 Thread Kris R Efland
Thanks Marlon.  

We (IntraMeta) will be at ISPCON at Booth 501-N.  If anyone wants to take a 
quick test drive we will be happy to give you a demo.  We do much more than 
just mail however.  If anyone has a specific feature or BOSS module they have 
questions about you can message me off-list and set up a time to meet in 
Orlando.


Regards,
Kris Efland
IntraMeta Corporation
  t. 214.466.2022
  f. 972.231.7022
  e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: Keith Willis; Kris R Efland
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

Our mail server is problem free.  Keith at Talon built it for us.

For spam and virus' we use Postini.

I'm also looking at BOSS.  http://intrameta.com/  Very close to the WNoc 
system I was involved in years ago.  I've been talking to them for quite a 
while, I'm pretty impressed.

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- Original Message - 
From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another 
 with
 our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We
 have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
 effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, does
 anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail
 and Direct Push to my mobile phone?

 Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-18 Thread Ross Cornett
you are right.  I will have to come there, cus this poor state is trying to 
outlaw the ar 15 and others... Now that you mention it, i know a friend that 
has an AR 15... that sounds really cooll.The smiley face would look 
pretty cool with that...

thanks Marlon
- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting

Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than 
a few big ones in a couple of minutes!  big grin


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- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is 
truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it.  I would lose that if I 
sold it.


So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost 
the video for you all to see.  I will call it barracuda hunting... lol


- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Butch Evans wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:


NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...


Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I
may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).



Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :)

My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware,
it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you
don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what
I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which
retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware
included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more,
as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software
RAID.)

If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of
frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good
home for it (that has nothing to do with email).

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

We want pictures!

Seen this yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnxKJqmtITE

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- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


you are right.  I will have to come there, cus this poor state is trying 
to outlaw the ar 15 and others... Now that you mention it, i know a friend 
that has an AR 15... that sounds really cooll.The smiley face would 
look pretty cool with that...

thanks Marlon
- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting

Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than 
a few big ones in a couple of minutes!  big grin


Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is 
truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it.  I would lose that if I 
sold it.


So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost 
the video for you all to see.  I will call it barracuda hunting... lol


- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Butch Evans wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:


NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...


Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I
may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).



Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :)

My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware,
it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you
don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what
I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which
retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the 
hardware

included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more,
as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software
RAID.)

If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of
frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good
home for it (that has nothing to do with email).

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-18 Thread Ross Cornett

Marlon,

It is doubtfull I will be able to top that, but I will have to try.

that was great...


- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



We want pictures!

Seen this yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnxKJqmtITE

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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1999!

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- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


you are right.  I will have to come there, cus this poor state is trying 
to outlaw the ar 15 and others... Now that you mention it, i know a 
friend that has an AR 15... that sounds really cooll.The smiley face 
would look pretty cool with that...

thanks Marlon
- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting

Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds 
than a few big ones in a couple of minutes!  big grin


Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is 
truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it.  I would lose that if I 
sold it.


So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost 
the video for you all to see.  I will call it barracuda hunting... lol


- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Butch Evans wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:


NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...


Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? 
I

may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).



Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :)

My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware,
it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you
don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From 
what

I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which
retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the 
hardware

included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more,
as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software
RAID.)

If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of
frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good
home for it (that has nothing to do with email).

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread Frank Crawford
Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee apoligies,
Muto dis's the apology.

Very mature guy's.


- Original Message - 
From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your
 products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing
 wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in
paying
 for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop
 acting like one.

 Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well
and
 good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a
 competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.

 Apology not accepted.



 Frank Muto
 President
 FSM Marketing Group, Inc
 Postini Partner Reseller
 www.SecureEmailPlus.com

 ISPCON Spring 2007
 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
 LaunchPad Pavilion J









 - Original Message - 
 From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


  Hi Frank,
 
  I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
  If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.
 
  Cheers,
  -Dee
 
 
  Alaska Wireless Systems
  1(907)240-2183 Cell
  1(907)349-2226 Fax
  1(907)349-4308 Office
  www.akwireless.net
  Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
  Imagestream Router  WAN Cards
  Force10 Networks Reseller
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Frank Muto
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
  Subject:
  Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
 
 
  As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I
take
  offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I
looked
  on
  the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a
  logo
  displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.
 
 
  Frank Muto
  President
  FSM Marketing Group, Inc
  Postini Partner Reseller
  www.SecureEmailPlus.com
 
  ISPCON Spring 2007
  May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
  LaunchPad Pavilion J
 
 
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
   Hi Folks,
  
   As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of
   dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of
   selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies
   on
   which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
  
   We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them,
   so
   it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the
   experienced
 
   walk with a limp)
  
   We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail
for
   WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
  
   Cheers,
   -Dee
  
   Alaska Wireless Systems
   1(907)240-2183 Cell
   1(907)349-2226 Fax
   1(907)349-4308 Office
   www.akwireless.net
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread JohnnyO
Frank - Muto had a very valid reason to whin as you say it. Muto pays 
WISPA a good amount of $$ to be a Vendor Member of WISPA. Dee has 
contributed nothing other then for his own personal gain.


For Dee to make an appology and then change his signature to reflect another 
free plug was a bit out of line I think.


Either way, paying members are what are going to get things done for our 
organization. If a vendor is going to support us financially, then we need 
to stand behind them and support them in anyway possible as an organization. 
And if that means slapping the hands of vendors that don't pay, when they 
get out of line, then so be it.


I don't feel Rick, George, Muto was immature or out of line in bringing this 
to as someone said the rubber meets the road.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: Frank Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee 
apoligies,

Muto dis's the apology.

Very mature guy's.


- Original Message - 
From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your
products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, 
nothing

wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in

paying

for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop
acting like one.

Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well

and

good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a
competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.

Apology not accepted.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J









- Original Message - 
From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Hi Frank,

 I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
 If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.

 Cheers,
 -Dee


 Alaska Wireless Systems
 1(907)240-2183 Cell
 1(907)349-2226 Fax
 1(907)349-4308 Office
 www.akwireless.net
 Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
 Imagestream Router  WAN Cards
 Force10 Networks Reseller


 - Original Message -
 From: Frank Muto
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
 Subject:
 Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I

take

 offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I

looked

 on
 the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a
 logo
 displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.


 Frank Muto
 President
 FSM Marketing Group, Inc
 Postini Partner Reseller
 www.SecureEmailPlus.com

 ISPCON Spring 2007
 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
 LaunchPad Pavilion J






 - Original Message - 
 From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]



  Hi Folks,
 
  As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out 
  of

  dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of
  selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It 
  varies

  on
  which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
 
  We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have 
  them,

  so
  it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the
  experienced

  walk with a limp)
 
  We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail

for

  WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
 
  Cheers,
  -Dee
 
  Alaska Wireless Systems
  1(907)240-2183 Cell
  1(907)349-2226 Fax
  1(907)349-4308 Office
  www.akwireless.net
 

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread Mike Hammett
I think Dee's input was greatly relevant to the thread.  It wasn't a random 
post.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take 
offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked 
on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a 
logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J






- Original Message - 
From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of 
selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on 
which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.


We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so 
it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the 
experienced walk with a limp)


We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.


Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Wow, tough crowd.  Do I have to remove my company's name and link from my 
sig?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your 
products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing 
wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in 
paying for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then 
stop acting like one.


Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well 
and good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a 
competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.


Apology not accepted.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J









- Original Message - 
From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Hi Frank,

I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.

Cheers,
-Dee


Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net
Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
Imagestream Router  WAN Cards
Force10 Networks Reseller


- Original Message -
From: Frank Muto
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take
offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked 
on
the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a 
logo

displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.


Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J






- Original Message - 
From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 Hi Folks,

 As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of
 dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of
 selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies 
 on

 which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.

 We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, 
 so
 it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the 
 experienced


 walk with a limp)

 We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for
 WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.

 Cheers,
 -Dee

 Alaska Wireless Systems
 1(907)240-2183 Cell
 1(907)349-2226 Fax
 1(907)349-4308 Office
 www.akwireless.net


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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread George Rogato
You are right Johnny, I was not trying to be harsh, but I right to the 
point.


As a member of the WISPA Board of Directors, you all should know that 
if you are a paying WISPA member I'm going to cover your back and give 
you as much benefit as possible.


Membership has privilege. If you are a paying member of WISPA, then I'm 
going to back you all the way.


Frank pays a 1,000.00 per year membership. He also has funded FCC trips 
at 500.00 per pop for those going to CALEA meetings.
Aside from that he has given WISPA very expensive booth space at ISPCON, 
bought refreshments for the WISPA gathering and offered to buy any wisps 
250.00 WISPA membership that bought his product.


Nobody else has gone this far and he ain't a wisp or selling wireless 
anything. He just believes in our organization and sells a product that 
many can use to offload overhead.


Dee is also a good guy, but he's not exactly paying dues of any kind. He 
could buy an inexpensive membership to help support this organization, 
but has not. But he is here and on the other lists to let you all know 
he is a distributor if a couple of products. I don't really have a 
problem with that but dues paying members come first.


I say if it comes down to making a paying member happy or letting the 
paying member get his toes stepped on by a non paying member, I have to 
side with the paying member. After all that is the least WISPA can do to 
give back to those that support us.


George



JohnnyO wrote:
Frank - Muto had a very valid reason to whin as you say it. Muto pays 
WISPA a good amount of $$ to be a Vendor Member of WISPA. Dee has 
contributed nothing other then for his own personal gain.


For Dee to make an appology and then change his signature to reflect 
another free plug was a bit out of line I think.


Either way, paying members are what are going to get things done for our 
organization. If a vendor is going to support us financially, then we 
need to stand behind them and support them in anyway possible as an 
organization. And if that means slapping the hands of vendors that don't 
pay, when they get out of line, then so be it.


I don't feel Rick, George, Muto was immature or out of line in bringing 
this to as someone said the rubber meets the road.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: Frank Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee 
apoligies,

Muto dis's the apology.

Very mature guy's.


- Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote 
your
products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, 
nothing

wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in

paying

for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop
acting like one.

Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well

and

good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a
competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.

Apology not accepted.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J









- Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Hi Frank,

 I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
 If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.

 Cheers,
 -Dee


 Alaska Wireless Systems
 1(907)240-2183 Cell
 1(907)349-2226 Fax
 1(907)349-4308 Office
 www.akwireless.net
 Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
 Imagestream Router  WAN Cards
 Force10 Networks Reseller


 - Original Message -
 From: Frank Muto
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
 Subject:
 Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I

take

 offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I

looked

 on
 the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a
 logo
 displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.


 Frank Muto
 President
 FSM Marketing Group, Inc
 Postini Partner Reseller
 www.SecureEmailPlus.com

 ISPCON Spring 2007
 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
 LaunchPad Pavilion J






 - Original Message -  From: W.D.McKinney 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



  Hi Folks,
 
  As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain 
out   of

  dealing with issues the best we can for our customers

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread John Scrivner
Very good points George. Frank has definitely worked hard to show his 
support of WISPA and deserves our gratitude for sure. Frank, we all 
thank you for everything you have done and continue to do for WISPA. You 
are a friend to our organization and we appreciate you very much.


Just so you guys all know. I see that Dee has sent in his application 
for Vendor Membership to WISPA. He is not paid up yet but it appears he 
is taking steps to put his money where his mouth is. Alls well that ends 
well.:-)

Scriv


George Rogato wrote:

You are right Johnny, I was not trying to be harsh, but I right to the 
point.


As a member of the WISPA Board of Directors, you all should know that 
if you are a paying WISPA member I'm going to cover your back and give 
you as much benefit as possible.


Membership has privilege. If you are a paying member of WISPA, then 
I'm going to back you all the way.


Frank pays a 1,000.00 per year membership. He also has funded FCC 
trips at 500.00 per pop for those going to CALEA meetings.
Aside from that he has given WISPA very expensive booth space at 
ISPCON, bought refreshments for the WISPA gathering and offered to buy 
any wisps 250.00 WISPA membership that bought his product.


Nobody else has gone this far and he ain't a wisp or selling wireless 
anything. He just believes in our organization and sells a product 
that many can use to offload overhead.


Dee is also a good guy, but he's not exactly paying dues of any kind. 
He could buy an inexpensive membership to help support this 
organization, but has not. But he is here and on the other lists to 
let you all know he is a distributor if a couple of products. I don't 
really have a problem with that but dues paying members come first.


I say if it comes down to making a paying member happy or letting the 
paying member get his toes stepped on by a non paying member, I have 
to side with the paying member. After all that is the least WISPA can 
do to give back to those that support us.


George



JohnnyO wrote:

Frank - Muto had a very valid reason to whin as you say it. Muto 
pays WISPA a good amount of $$ to be a Vendor Member of WISPA. Dee 
has contributed nothing other then for his own personal gain.


For Dee to make an appology and then change his signature to reflect 
another free plug was a bit out of line I think.


Either way, paying members are what are going to get things done for 
our organization. If a vendor is going to support us financially, 
then we need to stand behind them and support them in anyway possible 
as an organization. And if that means slapping the hands of vendors 
that don't pay, when they get out of line, then so be it.


I don't feel Rick, George, Muto was immature or out of line in 
bringing this to as someone said the rubber meets the road.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: Frank Crawford 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee 
apoligies,

Muto dis's the apology.

Very mature guy's.


- Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


That was not the point and now you changed your signature to 
promote your
products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, 
nothing

wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in


paying

for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then 
stop

acting like one.

Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all 
well


and


good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a
competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.

Apology not accepted.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J









- Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Hi Frank,

 I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
 If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.

 Cheers,
 -Dee


 Alaska Wireless Systems
 1(907)240-2183 Cell
 1(907)349-2226 Fax
 1(907)349-4308 Office
 www.akwireless.net
 Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
 Imagestream Router  WAN Cards
 Force10 Networks Reseller


 - Original Message -
 From: Frank Muto
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
 Subject:
 Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I


take


 offense to this direct marketing of a competitive

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Our mail server is problem free.  Keith at Talon built it for us.

For spam and virus' we use Postini.

I'm also looking at BOSS.  http://intrameta.com/  Very close to the WNoc 
system I was involved in years ago.  I've been talking to them for quite a 
while, I'm pretty impressed.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another 
with

our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We
have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, does
anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail
and Direct Push to my mobile phone?

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting

Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than a 
few big ones in a couple of minutes!  big grin


Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is 
truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it.  I would lose that if I sold 
it.


So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost 
the video for you all to see.  I will call it barracuda hunting... lol


- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Butch Evans wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:


NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...


Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I
may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).



Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :)

My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware,
it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you
don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what
I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which
retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware
included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more,
as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software
RAID.)

If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of
frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good
home for it (that has nothing to do with email).

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread George Rogato

John Scrivner wrote:
Very good points George. Frank has definitely worked hard to show his 
support of WISPA and deserves our gratitude for sure. Frank, we all 
thank you for everything you have done and continue to do for WISPA. You 
are a friend to our organization and we appreciate you very much.


Just so you guys all know. I see that Dee has sent in his application 
for Vendor Membership to WISPA. He is not paid up yet but it appears he 
is taking steps to put his money where his mouth is. Alls well that ends 
well.:-)

Scriv



I never once doubted Dee's integrity. He has been around us for many 
years and contributed to the betterment of our industry.


I'm glad he is taking this approach and helping support WISPA.

There is nothing worse than those who take and never give.

George
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  Switched 
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.  Had to 
go back to postini.


So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


- Original Message - 
From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Be offended about what? How much someone is charging for Anti SPAM service 
using a Barracuda?
The Barracuda's are fixed cost based on the device type, so the prices 
should be competitive.

Barracuda Networks used to do 100 mailboxes for $100 per month, I think.

John


JohnnyO wrote:
www.datapipe.com - you'll pay about $79.99/mo for unlimited domains and 
email addresses.


I will more then likely offend a few people here but I've asked several 
people here that have their own Barracuda's for quotes and noone can seem 
to touch the price I have been paying for 7+ yrs. I suppose their costs 
are much higher and are trying to recoup it on a low volume as opposed to 
the larger mail / hosting outfits.


Datapipe uses the Iron Port appliance and they also ANSWER their phone 
24/7/365... You get a live person, not some automated system and I 
actually called them this past year on Christmas with an issue I had with 
a domain.


Hit me up off-list if you want more information or input concerning this.

Regards,

JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another 
with
our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... 
We

have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, 
does
anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 
mail

and Direct Push to my mobile phone?

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Ross Cornett wrote:
 I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  Switched
 from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
 Had to go back to postini.
 
 So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal

Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett

I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  Switched
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
Had to go back to postini.


So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... couldn't 
stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  Switched
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread John Scrivner
I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the 
new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I 
did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand 
hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to 
Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new 
owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able 
to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue 
support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy 
support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can 
be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not 
support it with new spam and virus signature updates.


There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for 
transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you 
find.

Scriv


Ross Cornett wrote:

understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  
Switched

from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal



Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett

will do,  no problems here...

Ross

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new 
owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did 
not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. 
It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see 
what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit 
before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential 
owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The 
Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for 
updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not 
worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and 
virus signature updates.


There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring 
used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.

Scriv


Ross Cornett wrote:

understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
Switched

from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal



Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in deeper 
to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they will not 
support a device that they did not sell directly.


Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have to 
agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I 
find any better answer.


Ross

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new 
owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did 
not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. 
It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see 
what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit 
before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential 
owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The 
Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for 
updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not 
worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and 
virus signature updates.


There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring 
used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.

Scriv


Ross Cornett wrote:

understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
Switched

from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal



Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread JohnnyO
Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly 
from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of 
equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any 
longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess 
now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid 
policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in 
deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they will 
not support a device that they did not sell directly.


Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have to 
agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I 
find any better answer.


Ross

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the 
new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I 
did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand 
hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to 
Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new 
owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to 
tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue 
support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy 
support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can 
be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support 
it with new spam and virus signature updates.


There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring 
used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.

Scriv


Ross Cornett wrote:

understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
Switched

from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal



Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate 
it

or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but 
I

got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may 
want

to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Sam Tetherow
Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many 
software vendors do not allow license transfer.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Mike Hammett wrote:

I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:
I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  
Switched
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
Had to go back to postini.


So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread W.D.McKinney
Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing 
with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used 
Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are 
dealing with as to the answer you will get.

We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it 
depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk 
with a limp)

We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's 
as they frequently need a lower cost solution.

Cheers,
-Dee 

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



- Original Message -
From: JohnnyO
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly 
 from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of 
 equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any 
 longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess 
 now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid 
 policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.
 
 JohnnyO
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
 
 
  Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in 
  deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they will
 
  not support a device that they did not sell directly.
 
  Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have to 
  agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I 
  find any better answer.
 
  Ross
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
 
 
 I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
 Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the 
 new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I 
 did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand 
 hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to 
 Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new 
 owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to 
 tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue 
 support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy 
 support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can 
 be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support
 
 it with new spam and virus signature updates.
 
  There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
  experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
  being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring
 
  used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.
  Scriv
 
 
  Ross Cornett wrote:
 
  understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
  couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
  Postini.
 
  thanks.
  - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
 
 
  Ross Cornett wrote:
 
  I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
  Switched
  from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
  Had to go back to postini.
 
  So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal
 
 
  Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
  first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
  up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate 
  it
  or provide me service, as it was second-hand.
 
  There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but 
  I
  got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
  period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may 
  want
  to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
  update subscriptions and whatnot.)
 
  David Smith
  MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
Ok.  It is final.  You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect 
Barracuda to license it.  I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just 
that.  I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and 
he told me they try to tell everyone.  I will tell you this I wasn't 
told.  $2500 later it isn't worth a dime.


I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to 
be resold.  They told me it wasn't policy to do this.  I look at it as this 
is how they are protecting their margins on new sales.  No buy back no 
resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a 
smiley face on it from 200 yards away.  Oh, he did mention that it is still 
a functioning server if I wanted to use as such.   Anyway, end of thread for 
me.  I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one.  Stay 
with it for 3 years or you lost your investment.


Thanks for the headsup on this guys.  Now we know.   I hope I stuck to the 
facts with no rumor or bad info.


Ross



- Original Message - 
From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many 
software vendors do not allow license transfer.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Mike Hammett wrote:

I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:
I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
Switched
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
Had to go back to postini.


So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Brandon Brownlee
You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and
licensing and lease it to a third party. Maybe get some roi anyway.

Brandon

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ross Cornett
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

Ok.  It is final.  You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect

Barracuda to license it.  I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just 
that.  I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and 
he told me they try to tell everyone.  I will tell you this I wasn't 
told.  $2500 later it isn't worth a dime.

I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to 
be resold.  They told me it wasn't policy to do this.  I look at it as this 
is how they are protecting their margins on new sales.  No buy back no 
resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a 
smiley face on it from 200 yards away.  Oh, he did mention that it is still 
a functioning server if I wanted to use as such.   Anyway, end of thread for

me.  I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one.  Stay 
with it for 3 years or you lost your investment.

Thanks for the headsup on this guys.  Now we know.   I hope I stuck to the 
facts with no rumor or bad info.

Ross



- Original Message - 
From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many 
 software vendors do not allow license transfer.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Ross Cornett wrote:
 I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
 Switched
 from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
 Had to go back to postini.

 So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal

 Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
 first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
 up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
 or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

 There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
 got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
 period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
 to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
 update subscriptions and whatnot.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
their 2 concerns I noted are their margins and their liability of customer 
data being passed onto the buyer and puting a companies data at risk and be 
sued..  They fear being sued because of the data that this box captures, 
they made the box, so they are liable for it. Kind of like a gun 
manufacturer, match manufacturers, knife manufacturers...and so on...get 
their paranoid view yet, when it can all be managed by wipeing or replaceing 
a hard drive... oh well...


They will not budge on this.  I told them I would inform the industry and it 
will impact their future sales I am certain.


Ross

- Original Message - 
From: Brandon Brownlee [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and
licensing and lease it to a third party. Maybe get some roi anyway.

Brandon

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ross Cornett
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

Ok.  It is final.  You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and 
expect


Barracuda to license it.  I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just
that.  I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and
he told me they try to tell everyone.  I will tell you this I wasn't
told.  $2500 later it isn't worth a dime.

I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it 
to
be resold.  They told me it wasn't policy to do this.  I look at it as 
this

is how they are protecting their margins on new sales.  No buy back no
resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint 
a
smiley face on it from 200 yards away.  Oh, he did mention that it is 
still
a functioning server if I wanted to use as such.   Anyway, end of thread 
for


me.  I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one. 
Stay

with it for 3 years or you lost your investment.

Thanks for the headsup on this guys.  Now we know.   I hope I stuck to the
facts with no rumor or bad info.

Ross



- Original Message - 
From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many
software vendors do not allow license transfer.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Mike Hammett wrote:

I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.
Switched
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate 
it

or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but 
I

got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may 
want

to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread JohnnyO
Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other 
Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this 
type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm.


This is what I originally stated might offend some of the barracuda owners 
here.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling 
a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which 
entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.


We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it 
depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk 
with a limp)


We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.


Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



- Original Message -
From: JohnnyO
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase 
directly

from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of
equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it 
any

longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess
now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid
policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in
 deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they 
 will


 not support a device that they did not sell directly.

 Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have to
 agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if 
 I

 find any better answer.

 Ross

 - Original Message - 
 From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at
Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the
new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I
did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand
hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to
Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new
owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able 
to

tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue
support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy
support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can
be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not 
support


it with new spam and virus signature updates.

 There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad
 experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that 
 was
 being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for 
 transferring


 used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.
 Scriv


 Ross Cornett wrote:

 understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months...
 couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to
 Postini.

 thanks.
 - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Ross Cornett wrote:

 I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.
 Switched
 from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
 Had to go back to postini.

 So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a 
 deal



 Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with 
 Barracuda
 first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I 
 picked

 up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate
 it
 or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

 There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, 
 but

 I
 got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units,
 period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may
 want
 to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track

RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Cisco?  *ducking and running away in a serpentine fashion* 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many
software vendors do not allow license transfer.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Mike Hammett wrote:
 I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Ross Cornett wrote:
 I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  
 Switched
 from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
 Had to go back to postini.

 So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a 
 deal

 Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with 
 Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months 
 back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they 
 wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

 There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, 
 but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used 
 units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. 
 (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's 
 how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Zack Kneisley

http://www.altn.com/ offers Mdaemon, an in-house email platform. I have
personaly been using it for 6 years and am very happy with its anti-spam and
anti-virus capability. It also has the option for a groupware addon that
gives it a exchange shared folders type of use. I'll attach the last weekly
report of what it handled as far as spam and viruses, this particular server
services about 1400 accounts, open with wordpad. Also, note that the spam
rejected is what was determined spam before the bayesian filter is even
used. (blacklisted ip's, known spam ip's, hosts that their domain keys don't
match, quite a few other things. The spam accepted tells what got
determined spam after it was read through the Bayesian filtering, and
subsequently, placed in the users Junk-Mail folder available via web mail
or IMAP.

It does the job, and does it very well. I *Might* get 2 messages that are
spam and about 1 false positive a month.
I like being able to troubleshoot a problem when it's in my server room
rather in a data center, but I rarely have any problems. Outsourcing = no
control.

Zack

On 5/16/07, W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling
a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which
entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.

We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so
it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced
walk with a limp)

We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.

Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



- Original Message -
From: JohnnyO
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase
directly
 from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of
 equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it
any
 longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I
guess
 now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid
 policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.

 JohnnyO
 - Original Message -
 From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


  Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in
  deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they
will

  not support a device that they did not sell directly.
 
  Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have
to
  agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list
if I
  find any better answer.
 
  Ross
 
  - Original Message -
  From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
 
 
 I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at
 Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow
the
 new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them,
I
 did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand
 hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to
 Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new
 owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able
to
 tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue
 support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not
buy
 support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit
can
 be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not
support

 it with new spam and virus signature updates.
 
  There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad
  experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that
was
  being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for
transferring

  used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.
  Scriv
 
 
  Ross Cornett wrote:
 
  understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months...
  couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to
  Postini.
 
  thanks.
  - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
 
 
  Ross Cornett wrote:
 
  I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.
  Switched
  from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Ross Cornett wrote:

 No buy
 back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try
 to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away.

Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it.

(I'm serious.)

If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a
decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install
your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server.

David Smith
MVNnet
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
JohnnyO wrote:
 Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other
 Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for
 this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm.
 
 This is what I originally stated might offend some of the barracuda
 owners here.

The costs vary, of course. If you're a very small outfit (with only a
few hundred email addresses), outsourcing is probably more
cost-effective. Larger outfits may benefit from doing things in-house.

I once crunched the numbers, and our Barracuda is saving my boss several
hundred a month over Postini (and that included a WISPA-specific
discount), but we're juggling a few thousand email addresses.

Sometimes it's the other way around, of course. Really, the only way to
be sure of what's going on for you is to talk to a couple vendors and
see what's best for your company.

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett

NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...

Ross

- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:


No buy
back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try
to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away.


Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it.

(I'm serious.)

If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a
decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install
your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server.

David Smith
MVNnet
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread W.D.McKinney
Ross,

Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller, please 
contact them if you haven't yet.

-Dee


Alaska Wireless Systems
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- Original Message -
From: Ross Cornett
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:23:08 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...
 
 Ross
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
 
 
  Ross Cornett wrote:
  
  No buy
  back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try
  to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away.
  
  Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it.
  
  (I'm serious.)
  
  If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a
  decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install
  your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server.
  
  David Smith
  MVNnet
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Butch Evans

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:


NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...


Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? 
I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).


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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread George Rogato

David E. Smith wrote:

JohnnyO wrote:

Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other
Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for
this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm.


This is why I can't consider an outsourced email plan.

Aside from a couple thousand email accounts, I also offer imap and have 
an unlimited quota to quite a few subs that use their imap feature to 
hold emails or to send very large files.


Makes it hard when outsourced has these limits to work around.

But I'm sure there are many who could benefit from outsourced mail.

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Butch Evans wrote:
 On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:
 
 NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...
 
 Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I
 may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).
 

Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :)

My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware,
it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you
don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what
I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which
retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware
included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more,
as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software
RAID.)

If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of
frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good
home for it (that has nothing to do with email).

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Peter R.

George Rogato wrote:


David E. Smith wrote:


JohnnyO wrote:


Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other
Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for
this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm.




This is why I can't consider an outsourced email plan.

Aside from a couple thousand email accounts, I also offer imap and 
have an unlimited quota to quite a few subs that use their imap 
feature to hold emails or to send very large files.


Makes it hard when outsourced has these limits to work around.

But I'm sure there are many who could benefit from outsourced mail.

George


Do any of you offer Blackberry open source like open x-change or funambol?

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett

straight from Barracuda
- Original Message - 
From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Ross,

Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller, please 
contact them if you haven't yet.


-Dee


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- Original Message -
From: Ross Cornett
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:23:08 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...

Ross

- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Ross Cornett wrote:

 No buy
 back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and 
 try

 to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away.

 Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it.

 (I'm serious.)

 If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a
 decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install
 your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server.

 David Smith
 MVNnet
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
I have it on a 3 year amort so I would have to have at least $500 for it I 
can still shoot it and keep it on my shelf as an asset...If I sell it I 
loose the depreciation from the books...LOL
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:


NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...


Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may 
have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).


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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Frank Muto
As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take 
offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on 
the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo 
displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.



Frank Muto
President
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Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

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- Original Message - 
From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of 
selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on 
which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.


We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so 
it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced 
walk with a limp)


We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.


Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



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RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Rick Harnish
I do have to agree with Frank here.  Dee, please contact the WISPA board if
you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list,
especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.I'm sure each
product has a place or a niche that works for some and doesn't work for
others.  There is no reason for one vendor to be slamming another on the
WISPA lists.  If you wish to become a vendor member, please go to
http://signup.wispa.org, then you will be able to send advertisements to the
list members and support our industry at the same time.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Frank Muto
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take 
offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on 
the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo 
displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.


Frank Muto
President
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Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J






- Original Message - 
From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Hi Folks,

 As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
 dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of 
 selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on 
 which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.

 We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so 
 it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced

 walk with a limp)

 We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
 WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.

 Cheers,
 -Dee

 Alaska Wireless Systems
 1(907)240-2183 Cell
 1(907)349-2226 Fax
 1(907)349-4308 Office
 www.akwireless.net


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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread George Rogato

Frank, you are right on

Dee, you owe Frank Muto an immediate apology. Frank is a paid WISPA 
vendor member and has supported WISPA efforts in so many ways that no 
other vendor or wireless member has come close to.


You Dee, have been on the various wireless lists for many years and you 
fully understand the ramifications of your blatant advertizing post, 
which aside from being sneaky also bashes a WISPA member.


So the two things you need to do, is apologize to Frank and buy a 
membership or do not post any more advetizing baloney again.


If you don't apologize to Frank, you will be quickly removed.

I regret having to take this approach, but you Dee know the rules and 
this is where the rubber hits the road.


George

Frank Muto wrote:
As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take 
offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked 
on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a 
logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J






- Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of 
selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies 
on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.


We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, 
so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the 
experienced walk with a limp)


We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.


Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net





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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread George Rogato

You were a bit nicer than I was Rick, and I actually like Dee.

George


Rick Harnish wrote:

I do have to agree with Frank here.  Dee, please contact the WISPA board if
you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list,
especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.I'm sure each
product has a place or a niche that works for some and doesn't work for
others.  There is no reason for one vendor to be slamming another on the
WISPA lists.  If you wish to become a vendor member, please go to
http://signup.wispa.org, then you will be able to send advertisements to the
list members and support our industry at the same time.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA



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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread W.D.McKinney
Hi Frank,

I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. 
If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.

Cheers,
-Dee


Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net
Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
Imagestream Router  WAN Cards
Force10 Networks Reseller


- Original Message -
From: Frank Muto
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take 
 offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on 
 the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo 
 displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.
 
 
 Frank Muto
 President
 FSM Marketing Group, Inc
 Postini Partner Reseller
 www.SecureEmailPlus.com
 
 ISPCON Spring 2007
 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
 LaunchPad Pavilion J
 
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  Hi Folks,
 
  As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
  dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of 
  selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on 
  which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
 
  We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so 
  it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced
 
  walk with a limp)
 
  We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
  WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
 
  Cheers,
  -Dee
 
  Alaska Wireless Systems
  1(907)240-2183 Cell
  1(907)349-2226 Fax
  1(907)349-4308 Office
  www.akwireless.net
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Frank Muto
That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your 
products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing 
wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying 
for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop 
acting like one.


Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well and 
good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a 
competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.


Apology not accepted.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J









- Original Message - 
From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Hi Frank,

I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.

Cheers,
-Dee


Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net
Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
Imagestream Router  WAN Cards
Force10 Networks Reseller


- Original Message -
From: Frank Muto
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take
offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked 
on
the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a 
logo

displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.


Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J






- Original Message - 
From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 Hi Folks,

 As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of
 dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of
 selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies 
 on

 which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.

 We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, 
 so
 it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the 
 experienced


 walk with a limp)

 We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for
 WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.

 Cheers,
 -Dee

 Alaska Wireless Systems
 1(907)240-2183 Cell
 1(907)349-2226 Fax
 1(907)349-4308 Office
 www.akwireless.net


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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-15 Thread John Thomas
Be offended about what? How much someone is charging for Anti SPAM 
service using a Barracuda?
The Barracuda's are fixed cost based on the device type, so the prices 
should be competitive.

Barracuda Networks used to do 100 mailboxes for $100 per month, I think.

John


JohnnyO wrote:
www.datapipe.com - you'll pay about $79.99/mo for unlimited domains 
and email addresses.


I will more then likely offend a few people here but I've asked 
several people here that have their own Barracuda's for quotes and 
noone can seem to touch the price I have been paying for 7+ yrs. I 
suppose their costs are much higher and are trying to recoup it on a 
low volume as opposed to the larger mail / hosting outfits.


Datapipe uses the Iron Port appliance and they also ANSWER their 
phone 24/7/365... You get a live person, not some automated system and 
I actually called them this past year on Christmas with an issue I had 
with a domain.


Hit me up off-list if you want more information or input concerning this.

Regards,

JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or 
another with
our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and 
antivirus... We

have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, 
does
anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 
mail

and Direct Push to my mobile phone?

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-12 Thread George Rogato
If you don't do a lot of mail customers it probably makes sense to 
outsource, even to me.



Doug Ratcliffe wrote:

Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another with
our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We
have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, does
anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail
and Direct Push to my mobile phone?

Thanks



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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-12 Thread Peter R.

Doug Ratcliffe wrote:


Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another with
our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We
have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, does
anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail
and Direct Push to my mobile phone?

Thanks

 


Everybody.net does outsourced email.
I think Frank Muto is starting secure email (I don't know if it is 
outsourced).


Funambol works with Exchange, Domino, IMAP and POP e-*mail* servers.
Funambol is an open source alternative to Blackberry.

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-12 Thread David E. Smith

Peter R. wrote:

Everybody.net does outsourced email.
Assuming you mean everyone.net (everybody.net points to an outfit in 
Norway), just say no. Their mail servers are on a lot of spam blacklists 
both public and private, because they used to make a lot of money from 
free email for your domain setups. Spammers would take advantage of 
that, creating a truckload of free accounts to send spam from. (They 
made money from showing ads on the Webmail interface, of course.)


I've had personal experience on this. I used to have a couple personal 
domains' email hosted by them, and it was basically impossible to send 
email out from their Web interface, as so many recipients would refuse 
to accept it. And they still owe me $150 from ad sales they refuse to pay...


For a small outfit, Hotmail and Google both have free hosted email for 
domain names. (They may not have all the features the OP was looking 
for, but you can't beat the price...)


David Smith
MVN.net
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[WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-11 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another with
our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We
have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, does
anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail
and Direct Push to my mobile phone?

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-11 Thread W.D.McKinney
We don't use Exchane even though it's powerful, way to many holes for the wrong 
folks. But run a better verion of MTA that has all the bells and whistles. 
Lot's of users around the globe.

Hit me up off-list if you want more info.
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
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1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



- Original Message -
From: Doug Ratcliffe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:12:41 -0800
Subject:
[WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


 Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another with
 our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We
 have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
 effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, does
 anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail
 and Direct Push to my mobile phone?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-11 Thread Frank Muto
You may want to look into IMAP for mobile communications. We have a 3-way 
bundle we are officially launching at ISPCON that provides IMAP, POP3 and 
Web Mail. You can use one or all of the services for one price. If you are 
there, check us out or give me a shout directly.




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Postini Partner
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

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- Original Message - 
From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another 
with

our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We
have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, does
anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-11 Thread JohnnyO
www.datapipe.com - you'll pay about $79.99/mo for unlimited domains and 
email addresses.


I will more then likely offend a few people here but I've asked several 
people here that have their own Barracuda's for quotes and noone can seem to 
touch the price I have been paying for 7+ yrs. I suppose their costs are 
much higher and are trying to recoup it on a low volume as opposed to the 
larger mail / hosting outfits.


Datapipe uses the Iron Port appliance and they also ANSWER their phone 
24/7/365... You get a live person, not some automated system and I actually 
called them this past year on Christmas with an issue I had with a domain.


Hit me up off-list if you want more information or input concerning this.

Regards,

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another 
with

our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We
have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, does
anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail
and Direct Push to my mobile phone?

Thanks

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