Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread Pete Davis
Joshua M. Andrews wrote: Cliff: Thank you for the information. The areas of DSL are very spotty and cable is very inexpensive and unreliable. Many people are upset at both situations. DSL is offered for about $30 per month with purchase of a DSL modem at around $50 or so and a 1 year

RE: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread JohnnyO
I'm shooting at offering 1.5 Mbps service at around $24.95 and offering VOIP for another $24.95 if they so choose. So the competition hasn't a chance against me if I can get around that $350 CPE cost. IMNSHO - If you are trying to compete you will fall on your face in a heartbeat. We

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread Matt Liotta
We haven't been in business for 3 years, but yes we have wireless links that have 100% uptime. How many years did this entire country depend on wireless links for long distance prior to fiber optics? The M in MCI isn't microwave for no reason. -Matt Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I have point

Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread Pete Davis
Well said. You don't need to be the cheapest to be profitable. pd JohnnyO wrote: I'm shooting at offering 1.5 Mbps service at around $24.95 and offering VOIP for another $24.95 if they so choose. So the competition hasn't a chance against me if I can get around that $350 CPE cost.

Re: [WISPA] phone-to-voip-to-ethernet conversion

2006-04-07 Thread Brian Whigham
Mario, Let me preface my suggestion with the fact that you didn't specify how many extensions were at the remote office nor what brand of PBX you're using. Since you suggested a one line Linksys device, I'll assume you're only dealing with a hand full of extensions, at most. Otherwise, you

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Matt, Now you are comparing $150,000 point to point licensed microwave links with $150 CPE point to multi-point links? Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: We haven't been in business for 3 years, but yes we have wireless links that have 100% uptime. How many years did this entire country

Re: [WISPA] Is this real? More unlicensed bands?

2006-04-07 Thread Peter R.
hraunfoss.*fcc*.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-255351A1.pdf In today’s 2nd Report and Order, the Commission amended its rules for general Part 15 unlicensed operations that use wide bandwidths but are not classified as UWB devices under its rules. It increased the peak power limits and

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread Matt Liotta
Licensed microwave doesn't cost $150,000 and we don't use any gear that is any where near as cheap as $150. Maybe the reason your wireless links aren't reliable is because you aren't spending enough on them. Every wireless link that has failed in our history has been the result of human error

engineering links (was Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband)

2006-04-07 Thread Matt Liotta
I know we keep working on our processes to improve the installation of our links. We still have a burn-in period after installations because our processes aren't yet 100%. I think it would be great if we could together work up a documented procedure to ensure better wireline reliability of

Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread Mark Nash
Doesn't it depend on your customer base? Did we hear that this is a small town? Your way of doing things is like mine. Show value and provide a good service and you will have very little churn in your customers. There are a number of small towns (1k-4k population) that I service, but once we

Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Johny made a great point. In wireless you are going to need the margin to cover truck rolls, and support, equipment failure, and all that stuff. What you will find is that wirelesss has less customer awareness and is harder to sell, and you are going to need mnore margin to pay you back for

Re: engineering links (was Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband)

2006-04-07 Thread Jack Unger
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Re: [WISPA] phone-to-voip-to-ethernet conversion

2006-04-07 Thread Mario Pommier
Thanks A LOT. I'll let you know I end up trying. Mario Brian Whigham wrote: Mario, Let me preface my suggestion with the fact that you didn't specify how many extensions were at the remote office nor what brand of PBX you're using. Since you suggested a one line Linksys device, I'll

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Travis does bring up an important issue regarding uptime. It has been proven that Wireless can be a reliable technology, the flaw is not the RF. Expecially PtP links engineered between two points on an ISPs network, controlled by an ISP. The problem however come in on the other side of the

RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread danlist
All good points and I also think that in a urban/city environment were you have more visible rooftops that redundancy from another PoP is the key and using a routing protocol to fail over if the main link goes down Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Matt, 20 years ago before the fiber and MCI was using links, they cost more than $150k. Even our local cell phone provider has point to point links that are over $100k today. I've been doing this for almost 10 years I have THOUSANDS of wireless customers. How many customers do you have?

[WISPA] OT Backup Program

2006-04-07 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I have a sub with an external hard drive but he needs a good backup program. Anyone know of a good one you've had luck with? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] OT Backup Program

2006-04-07 Thread Mark Nash
Veritas Backup Exec Computer Associates ARCServe. They're spendy, but you did ask for a 'good' backup program. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brian

Re: [WISPA] OT Backup Program

2006-04-07 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
http://www.directdeals.com/category-arcserve-backup.aspx?ovchn=OTHERovcpn=Froogleovcrn=ARCserve+Backupovtac=PPC It looks like a little too much for me. :) NEXT! Mark Nash wrote: Veritas Backup Exec Computer Associates ARCServe. They're spendy, but you did ask for a 'good' backup

Re: [WISPA] OT Backup Program

2006-04-07 Thread fred
http://www.backupanswers.com/freewinbackup/ (just recently found this one and am trying it out) http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/ (this one works well and I have used it) On 4/7/06, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread Matt Liotta
Travis Johnson wrote: 20 years ago before the fiber and MCI was using links, they cost more than $150k. Even our local cell phone provider has point to point links that are over $100k today. That's nice, but they don't have to cost that much. I know one of the local metro counties here is

Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
You stole my thoughts!? ;) JohnnyO wrote: I'm shooting at offering 1.5 Mbps service at around $24.95 and offering VOIP for another $24.95 if they so choose. So the competition hasn't a chance against me if I can get around that $350 CPE cost. IMNSHO - If you are trying to compete

RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread danlist
Matt, What hardware are you using? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread Matt Liotta
Using for what? Motorola and Orthogon for our radio links. -Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt, What hardware are you using? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] CPE's and the NEC

2006-04-07 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
My goal is to save my gear from static. I don't really care about lightning because I believe it cannot be stopped, but I can bleed off a little static and keep my ethernet ports working. (I hope) chris cooper wrote: On the surface it sounds like a good idea. Im no electrician, nor do I

Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread Blair Davis
I have to agree with Mark here. We are using the same model he is and we have more work than we know what to do with $39.95 per month home, no contract / $59.95 per month small business, no contract / Higher rates for special services and/or special QoS, contract required Installs start

Re: [WISPA] OT Backup Program

2006-04-07 Thread Frank Muto
I have been using both NTI's Shadow ( http://www.ntius.com/default.asp?p=shadow/shadow_main) and Cobian Backup 7 (http://www.cobian.se/) for our office computers using multiple NAS drives. I like Shadow for its real time and scheduled timed backups.The Cobian has FTP of which I use to archive

Re: [WISPA] Strange problem after AP upgrade (at my wits end)

2006-04-07 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Unfortunately, we have our own set of customized tools used to manage the network and each AP, so the ability to switch OS will not help. Someone has suggested a serial cable and logging the console activity. still trying to figure out the logistics.On 4/6/06, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[WISPA] TEST, please ignore

2006-04-07 Thread David E. Smith
I just did a few minor updates to the wispa.org mail system, and just want to be sure nothing broke. Please ignore this message. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread Blake Bowers
And now I can't sell those DS3 Digital microwave radios from the MCI system for anything more than 10 cents a pound. Such a shame. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
$59.95 per month small business, no contrac I'm not sure how that is a good thing. Riskwith no contract, and no margin to justify the risk. If its a retail place with 1 or 2 computers we got a asyncronis plan for $99, but won't pick up the phone for less than $150. $899 including a 70ft

Re: [WISPA] TV spectrum

2006-04-07 Thread Ron Wallace
I sent a similar message to Rep. Joe Schwarz of Michigan. The URL worked for me.-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:09 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Cc: 'Frannie Wellings'Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV spectrumHere is the text of the message

Re: [WISPA] OT Backup Program

2006-04-07 Thread Steve Thomas
/lurk I have a sub with an external hard drive but he needs a good backup program. Anyone know of a good one you've had luck with? tar (Sorry, couldn't resist...) I've used NovaBackup, but not in a while and I don't know if it works with hard drives (I used it with a tape). Worked well and

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread Anthony Will
Im I wrong here because I believe a T1 line utilizes TDD (Time Division Duplexing)? Thus it is a half duplex solution. In reality it feels like a full duplex solution due to the timing. Anthony Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, If someone wants to setup whatever wireless network they would like

[WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread Joshua M. Andrews
Chris: I've heard so much about Trango that I'm really intrigued! What is it that you use for 900 MHz? Why would I choose Trango over WaveRider anyway? Thanks. - Pete: Thank you very much for the detailed response. I wouldn't say I will be desperate as I'm doing it mostly

Re: [WISPA] OT Backup Program

2006-04-07 Thread Pete Davis
http://www.handybackup.com/ Cheap. $30 to $55 depending on plugins needed. Free trial available. Easy to use. Drop/Drag/Schedule Flexible. Will back up to CDRW, network shares, second hard drives, FTP shares, whatever. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have a sub with an external hard drive but he

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread David E. Smith
Blake Bowers wrote: And now I can't sell those DS3 Digital microwave radios from the MCI system for anything more than 10 cents a pound. Does that price include shipping? :D David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread Anthony Will
hhhmmm should have started that with I MAYBE am wrong here Anthony Will wrote: Im I wrong here because I believe a T1 line utilizes TDD (Time Division Duplexing)? Thus it is a half duplex solution. In reality it feels like a full duplex solution due to the timing. Anthony Travis

Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread Carl A Jeptha
Also Gentlemen and Ladies, Remember why these good folks live in the backwoods of Louisiana, etc. :-) They like the peace and quiet and are willing to pay a local person to supply service to them. They also know that they have to pay a little extra to have the services of the big cities

[Fwd: RE: [WISPA] TV spectrum]

2006-04-07 Thread John Scrivner
We have a problem. It appears the press release we read earlier was wrong. Attached is the exact language of the bill. It is asking for ALL tv channels except for one small band. I do not know what is wrong with that one channel but this is actually a VERY GOOD bill. I am sorry for the mix up.

[WISPA] Error in Press Release

2006-04-07 Thread John Scrivner
I read your press release titled: TIA Applauds Introduction of Spectrum-Related Legislation by Representatives Inslee, Blackburn, Baldwin, Gillmor and Boucher I read a line in the release below that is not true. It is this: The Telecommunications Industry Association (TIA) praises the

Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-07 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Any idea how this might work in a market that has 50% part time visitors? Many 2nd homes. We might starve during the off-season.On 4/7/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $59.95 per month small business, no contrac I'm not sure how that is a good thing. Riskwith no contract, and no

[WISPA] Big trouble with my first AP...

2006-04-07 Thread Jason
Gents ladies, I have a difficult question for the list. I was testing my 1st routerboard/mikrotik ap this evening with terrible results. Let me give you the rundown of what I have and what has happened. Setup: 1 mikrotik routerboard 532 combo 3 cm9 minipci radios configured to 18 dbm

Re: [Fwd: RE: [WISPA] TV spectrum]

2006-04-07 Thread Anthony Will
Well below is the copy of the apologies I sent to my congressman. I'm posting it here to just give everyone some cut and paste materials NOT to admonish Mr. Scrivner. You acted with best intentions at heart and are obviously passionate about this industry. Thank you for your initiative