Re: [WISPA] ping

2009-01-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
gnip __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:41 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] ping

2009-01-07 Thread David E. Smith
gnip I thought the canonical response was pong. (Sorry for any delays in email in the last 90 minutes or so, VMware is giving me fits and I was tinkering with a guest - specifically, the all of WISPA's outbound email goes through here guest.) David Smith MVN.net

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
We NEVER climb without a second person on the ground, that is also equiped with a full harness and safety rig, if they had to climb in an emergency. However, although our ground guy is capable of climbing does not mean he is skilled in tower rescue. Our guy is trained NOT to climb to perform a

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
The only downside to relying on the EMS/Fire Dept. is that most of them are not trained in high altitude rescue. ComTrain actually recommends a 3 minute response time from EMS/Fire is required for a rescue, and they have to have the training to do a high altitude rescue (again, we are 20 mins

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread 3-dB Networks
That was one of the things I had never thought about until I took the comtrain course. It always worked out that when I climbed the guy on the ground had all the same gear that I did (he used to climb for the company but his knee started acting up so he had to give it up full time)... but the

[WISPA] Worthless hardware list from stupid companies willing to sell junk to us.

2009-01-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Deep sigh. I've about had it with companies that sell crap. I can understand the need to ship product that hasn't been tested in every possible scenario. But when you do that issue a fix TODAY, not next week, or more often, never. Tranzeo has had lock up issues with the TR6000 and TR6600 for

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Blake Bowers
Most Fire Departments ARE very unqualified to do tower rescues. Even those that offer high angle rescue are still not normally trained on towers. We are working with a couple of state wireless associations on trying to help that - but it is a very slow process. At this point however, a couple

Re: [WISPA] Independent contractor rates etc?

2009-01-07 Thread RickG
$75 per (normal) install. We supply everything. -RickG On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote: Hi all, Do you pay per job or hourly for installers? Do you mind sharing what rates you charge for either? Thanks Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC

[WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I think we finally have this all figured out. Now I just have to figure out how to fix it. We've been up there for over 6 years now. It's certainly been a problematic site though. Constant channel changes (we have 3 competitors a mile away and pick up hundreds of ap's from in town)

Re: [WISPA] Worthless hardware list from stupid companies willing to sell junk to us.

2009-01-07 Thread RickG
I feel your pain!!! I like my WRAP and RB433 boards as AP's. As far as CPE, I use Tranzeo, but I really hate that I cant reset it if the password is forgotten. -RickG On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Deep sigh. I've about had it with companies

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Jim Patient
Unless it's changed in the last couple years a cage is good for 20' in industry. There must be a landing every 20' and the next ladder must be offset and 20' to the next land. more than 20' to a land you must tie even if there is a cage. There was an exception for overhead crane operators

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Shielded cable would have been my first thought. We always use 100% shielded at all AP sites. Where there is strong RF it is a must. Sometimes not enough. You can also coil the cat5 at the ends of a run to choke out some common mode RF current. You will not normally find transverse

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Adam Goodman
We also colocate with an FM transmitter. Only 1300W though. we also had interference on our Ethernet lines. We solved it by moving radios away from the FM antenna (3 feet or so on a 90' tower) We also installed ferrits which helped (I actually used a conduit pipe). Grounding the cat5 helped too.

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
We had a site with a 1000 watt AM Hotstick about 100 feet from another tower. We ran the cable (non-shielded outdoor rated) and crimped the end at the top of the tower. The installer all of a sudden, felt a burning sensation on his thumb with that wonderful smell of burning skin. Guess

[WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-01-07 Thread John Valenti
Brian, Why would you want to add a safety cable to the cage? I'm on several legs with the cages and they seem great. I usually just lean back to take a break while climbing. It seems like an unnecessary bother, and something else to get in the way while climbing the ladder. Just curious

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Adam Goodman
It also sounds like there is a new leak in the waveguide. One more thing you might try is to move the cable from leg to leg on the tower so that you variable length sections that do not resonate at 350MHz or ~100MHz (FM transminssion). On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Adam Goodman

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Think wavelength. AM wavelengths are hundreds of feet long. There is a giant reactive near field around the AM antenna. (Electric fields and Magnetic fields) Your cat 5 was probing the electric field at two different voltage points. For AM broadcast frequencies, you can actually take a volt meter

Re: [WISPA] Worthless hardware list from stupid companies willing tosell junk to us.

2009-01-07 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Well if your Tranzeo won't let you log into it then that sounds like an issue that needs an RMA and personally I can say that for an issue like that they have never denied me the RMA. Now as far as general Tranzeo lockups I think that all has to do with grounding your CPE. I almost never have to

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Spending less than $1k on rescue training per employee is pennies compared to the life of our employees. I fully agree. (when talking about employees). In my case, I'm the climber, and company owner and OSHA exempt because of that. I prefer not to subject my empoyees to risk, unless

Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

2009-01-07 Thread Scottie Arnett
What do they charge for this? Scottie - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:51 AM Subject: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs For those who may be using Google's

Re: [WISPA] FW: Voip commercial

2009-01-07 Thread John Scrivner
Nice ad! I think people will like it. Please let us know how you positiojn this and how it sells over time. I have not made a VoIP play yet and am looking forward to hearing from other WISPs about how their VoIP deployments are going. Thanks! Scriv On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ron Harden

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
You are right in your points made. Everyone can play devil's advocate for every possible situation. I value my life as much as I do an employee. As much as I like climbing, I don't have the time to play in that as much as my employees do. Regards, Chuck -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Worthless hardware list from stupid companies willing to sell junk to us.

2009-01-07 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I don't know why Tranzeo has had so many problems with their 2.4ghz CPEs, but there is a pretty well defined history of issues with them. However, I have a couple of their 5ghz APs and about ten of their 900mhz APs, and they have never had any problems. One of my 5ghz APs has 90+ subs on

[WISPA] Typical Sector count

2009-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Since Patrick posed that question about cost for a typical 3 sector tower, I ask the following question: How many sectors is typical for you? My answer is 4x 90*, unless it's a small area repeater, which is then a single omni, or different as that situation requires. - Mike Hammett

[WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Jim Patient
We have a project to install 5GHz sectors on a large beautiful building that has brushed stainless sheeting on the sides. The antennas must be installed on the outside walls and cannot be higher than the sides. They want the antennas to be hidden or as non-obtrusive as possible. Anyone got

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-01-07 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
What happens when you fall? Brian John Valenti wrote: Brian, Why would you want to add a safety cable to the cage? I'm on several legs with the cages and they seem great. I usually just lean back to take a break while climbing. It seems like an unnecessary bother, and something else

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-01-07 Thread 3-dB Networks
That's what the safety cage is for. if you fall basically you should only be leaning back on the cage. You technically shouldn't be able to fall with a safety cage. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Typical Sector count

2009-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Interference protection is exactly why I went with 90*. Not that there's much to be worried about where I am, but I figured it a better decision to overbuild. That and extra capacity, something most WISPs don't engineer for. The omnis are only for small areas, of a half mile or less. -

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
I've used one of those on a water tower. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 ch...@beehive.net Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
I have a rail safety on a Titan Tower... Regards, Chuck Hogg Avolutia, LLC 502-722-9292 ch...@avolutia.com www.avolutia.com www.shelbywireless.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January

Re: [WISPA] Typical Sector count

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
You don't have enough channel overlap with 90 degree sectors in 2.4, 5Ghz probably ok...but not 2.4 ? Regards, Chuck Hogg Avolutia, LLC 502-722-9292 ch...@avolutia.com www.avolutia.com www.shelbywireless.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-01-07 Thread John Valenti
It hasn't happened yet, but I'm hoping I have the good sense to stick out an arm or leg and jam myself into the cage. Probably very painful, but no long lasting damage? Usually I have a backpack on, and have to climb the ladder more vertical than normal, just to avoid dragging on the cage.

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-01-07 Thread lakeland
Don't worry. If you fall the chances are very good that an extremity will get jammed into the ladder and you will be all nice and rolled up in a ball wedged between the cage and the ladder. And the extremity that is now broken in 10 pieces will be above where you are so the rescuers will need

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread reader
Do you have the shielded cable? Mark insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:47 AM

[WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
Does anyone have good contacts for colocation on Cell Towers? Cingular/T-Mobile/Sprint/Verizon I know a lot of SBA/Crown/etc. companies own/manage the towers they are on as well. Does anyone have any good contacts for those companies too? Care to share the expense? I have a few

[WISPA] City School Internet Bid...need help and advice from those who've done this.

2009-01-07 Thread John McDowell
We just received an invitation to bid for a 5 location city school 1Gbps network, with 10 Mbps Internet Acces. Only way for us to get in the game is with Gig RF links. Bids are due Feb 2nd. Anybody done this for a school system that would give me some time and advice? Would pay for services.

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Jim Patient
I don't have a picture handy. There isn't much to see though. It is just a plain stainless steel wall at the areas the antennas are going. Jim 3-dB Networks wrote: Can you provide a picture of the building? Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-01-07 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I think I am most likely to fall when climbing up. Foot slips off wet-icy rung and I fall forward hitting jaw/face on rung which knocks me out. It makes it hard to grab something when you are out cold. The cable sure would make it safer. Brian John Valenti wrote: It hasn't happened yet,

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread 3-dB Networks
I'm just trying to picture a brushed stainless steel wall... I don't know if I have seen a building like that before (at least one that wasn't super modern). The cheapest solution is going to be a silver colored spray paint... after that I can't think of anything good. Daniel White 3-dB Networks

Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread Scott Reed
Wow, can I get your lease. I am paying just over $800/m on a Crown Castle tower. At 265' on a 300' tower. 3 sectors, 2 backhauls. Contact at Crown is Grant Childers in Indianapolis. Office: 317-249-2055 Cell: 317-797-4620 grant.child...@crowncastle.com He is good to work with, but I will avoid

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Scott Reed
Assuming you can find paint that doesn't have metal in it that will distort signal. Maybe a gray non-metallic paint would work. Or find a vendor with gray radomes. 3-dB Networks wrote: I'm just trying to picture a brushed stainless steel wall... I don't know if I have seen a building like that

[WISPA] OT: EVDO/3G modem reseller

2009-01-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
Any resell EVDO or 3G service? I'm not looking to sell aircards as much as installed systems as a way to capture customers that can't be installed on our network. Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email

Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread Dylan Bouterse
I'm not bragging by any means, but we're paying $1k and more for 3 APs and 2-3 backhauls with 2'-3' dishes. Of course we live in Rev G land so tower space isn't as easy to come by, but I miss the sub $1k days. :( Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] City School Internet Bid...need help and advice from thosewho've done this.

2009-01-07 Thread lakeland
John This is obviously a fiber bid. To get 1 Gb connectivity all the buildings need to be a mile or less apart ideally. If they are more than that then you are pretty much out of luck. Yeah yeah 80 GHz will do up to 2 miles but I prefer the uptime. The fiber company will need to trebch to

Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread lakeland
Where Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@avolutia.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:16:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers Does anyone have good contacts for colocation on Cell Towers?

Re: [WISPA] City School Internet Bid...need help and advice fromthosewho've done this.

2009-01-07 Thread lakeland
I meant considerably lower.. AUGH Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:45:40 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] City School Internet Bid...need help and advice from thosewho've

Re: [WISPA] City School Internet Bid...need help and advice fromthosewho've done this.

2009-01-07 Thread Blake Bowers
Bob, Could the fiber company not hang fiber if the poles are out there? Certainly a lot cheaper. Still figure a wireless application would be cheaper in the long run. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. -

Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Let's see.between 100-300ft 3 - 2.4Ghz AP's 5 - 5.8Ghz AP's 2 - 5.3Ghz AP's 3 - 38Ghz radios 1 - 18Ghz radio 2 - 5.8Ghz backhauls 2 - 5.3Ghz backhauls 1 - 900Mhz AP ... $350 per month -- I'll brag! :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Jim Patient
It's a brand new building not even completed. Jim 3-dB Networks wrote: I'm just trying to picture a brushed stainless steel wall... I don't know if I have seen a building like that before (at least one that wasn't super modern). The cheapest solution is going to be a silver colored spray

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Jim Patient
I've been testing some paint with the ol business card microwave test as a last ditch effort but I don't know if they will go for that. Jim Scott Reed wrote: Assuming you can find paint that doesn't have metal in it that will distort signal. Maybe a gray non-metallic paint would work. Or

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread os10rules
Be real careful the paint is not metallic. You might want to spray something microwave safe and put it in the microwave oven to see if it gets hot or sparks for a test. You could end up losing a lot of db in the paint. Greg On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: I'm just trying

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread lakeland
Sherwin Williams DTM (Direct to Metal) will not attenuate your signal Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:26:08 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] metal building install

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Jim Patient
I don't think I can get away with painted antennas on this one. I might have to get some custom covers made or something. I'm checking with couple sign makers to see if they can come up with something. This is a fancy new building with $$$ just in art around it and they want it to look

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Brian Webster
What if you were to make some sort of box to fit over them out of plastic then cover it with Mylar mirroized film like on those chrome looking balloons or window tint? If that will be too reflective you might still consider painting a plastic box. I would not use a solid color however. You could

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
I saw a rooftop cell site install where they had cut rectangles out of the parapit sheetmetal and installed perforated plastic screens painted the same color as the wall. You could not see where the antennas were unless you were on the roof. Looked really good. __

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Steve Barnes
New Question on this thread. I need a inexpensive harness. I never climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to let go at the top and getting tired of my fall out of tree while hunting harness. I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400 for a rig. Any

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
What kind of radios/antennas? I can make a slot antenna out of the same metal they use for the building. It would be invisible. But spendy... - Original Message - From: Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:05 PM

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Jim Patient
Mikrotik 5GHz Give me a call when you get time. I would like to talk to you about this. Jim cell: 314-565-6863 Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: What kind of radios/antennas? I can make a slot antenna out of the same metal they use for the building. It would be invisible. But spendy... -

Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread Cliff Olle
Which companies are in the $150 range? Our contracts with Crown are in the higher of that range. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Cell tower pricing is all about demand for each specific location, and can vary drastically.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@avolutia.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread George Rogato
Jim Seeing it's a brand new expensive building, you should talk to the architect and let him spec out what he wants to do on that building. George Jim Patient wrote: I don't think I can get away with painted antennas on this one. I might have to get some custom covers made or something.

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread George Rogato
We don't use our harnesses that much. Steve Barnes wrote: New Question on this thread. I need a inexpensive harness. I never climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to let go at the top and getting tired of my fall out of tree while hunting harness. I use it less

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Bad idea. Did we not just have this discussion on always being as safe as possible? We used Comtrain's suggested harness and got it at Tessco. Best decision we ever made. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Blair Davis
I use mine 3-4 times a month. Spent $500 lanyards and harness. A good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe. Spend the money, you won't regret it. Steve Barnes wrote: New Question on this thread. I need a inexpensive harness. I never climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Just call the antennas art. George Rogato wrote: Jim Seeing it's a brand new expensive building, you should talk to the architect and let him spec out what he wants to do on that building. George Jim Patient wrote: I don't think I can get away with painted antennas on this

Re: [WISPA] Typical Sector count

2009-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
I, like Jack, prefer 120 degree sectors. Much much less experience coming from this way, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan

[WISPA] www.att.com/towers

2009-01-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
FYI http://www.att.com/towers www.att.com/towers Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email aircloud_WebTiny_color_white_back.jpg WISPA Wants

Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
Some of the Smaller Tower Management companies, that own only a few towers locally. The cheapest big name is at $300, company unnamed purposefully. I was just wondering if anyone had anyone they work with at one of the bigger companies. Chuck -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
I've got at 600ft above average AGL, 3 V 5Ghz Sectors 3 H 2Ghz Sectors At 500ft above average AGL 3 H 5Ghz Sectors 3 V 2Ghz Sectors 1 900Mhz H Omni 2 Backhauls $150 per month, same site as Nextel/Sprint and a TV station backhaul. Can see the tower from over 30 miles away. I like to make the

Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
I am in KY. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers Where Sent from my Verizon Wireless

Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
Ours are all Rev G too (which really sucks when it used to be, oh sure, $150/mth, no big deal). I'm having to spend $1500-2000 on a structural to get our stuff on there. The tower is going to house 12 antennas, incl backhauls, aps, etc. Looks like we might be at $500, but we're going to be

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Jim Patient
Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy. Don't go cheap on safety gear, you can't afford it. Jim Blair Davis wrote: I use mine 3-4 times a month. Spent $500 lanyards and harness. A good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe. Spend the money, you won't regret it.

Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-07 Thread Jack Unger
Hey Jim, I'd suggest seeing if you can stand those antennas off the metal a couple of wavelengths (maybe 4-6 wavelengths). You don't need any nasty reflections. Regarding the covers - maybe go with the art theme and suggest that the covers be painted to actually become art - maybe a

[WISPA] P0RN Industry goes Limp - requests $5 billion bail-out

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
It's not friday -- but this one's too good to pass up - - When President Bush announced his economic stimulus in January 2008, he bragged that his package was the right size and would boost the economy: I am pleased that this agreement meets the criterion that I set

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
So far all I can find on the internet is that ethernet is at either 12.5 or 31.25mhz. NOT 350, that's gigE, not 10/100. Also, this tower is a 100' wooden pole. Can't move anywhere really. marlon - Original Message - From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
With 100BASE-TX hardware, the raw bits (4 bits wide clocked at *25 MHz* at the MII) go through 4B5B http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B5B binary encoding to generate a series of 0 and 1 symbols clocked at *125 MHz* symbol ratehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_rate. The 4B5B encoding provides DC

Re: [WISPA] Worthless hardware list from stupid companies willingtosell junk to us.

2009-01-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Worthless hardware list from stupid companies willingtosell junk to us. Well if your Tranzeo won't let you log into

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I installed a cat5 cable next to a guys police scanner one time and as soon as I plugged the cable (lan cable from poe to computer) in the police scanner stayed "keyed up" on 15o or 155 mhz as I remember. Unplugged the cable and the scanner started scanning again, so I always thought it was

[WISPA] Barracuda outbounds SPAM filter any good?

2009-01-07 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Does anyone use the Barracuda's for outbound spam filtering and is it as good as the inbound version? I need to keep my mail server from getting blacklisted and am looking for a way to do it. Apparently someone is using my server to relay spam, (I am using pop before smtp so they must be

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Marlon, It has taken us almost 10 years at our single FM radio station location to figure out how to make things work at 100Mbps. This is one of the worst stations I have ever seen or heard about. In the "generator" room where we are located, the fluorescent light bulbs will actually glow

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Not yet. I've got some on the way thought. marlon - Original Message - From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness Do you have the shielded cable? Mark

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I spent almost that much for harnesses for use in a truck! If you wan't spend a little bit for harnesses don't climb. There are some places that you should never scrimp. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Typical Sector count

2009-01-07 Thread RickG
I agree with this. For example: What should be my best tower is one of my worst because it is quad-sectored. I have a simular tower at another location that is tri-sectored and it performs better than expected. As far as an omni, I use them only where the spectrum is clean, eventually switching to

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
OK, can we put this in plain English? What freq. does 100meg ethernet in full or half duplex marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM radio

Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers

2009-01-07 Thread RickG
Ever price them? -RickG On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: FYI http://www.att.com/towers www.att.com/towers Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I thought I'd try that too. marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness Marlon, It has taken us almost 10 years at our single FM radio station

Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Per my post from Wiki I believe it is 25, 31.25 and 125 mhz for fast ethernet 100base TX. On 1/8/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: OK, can we put this in plain English? What freq. does 100meg ethernet in full or half duplex marlon - Original Message - From:

Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers

2009-01-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
No, I just thought it was interesting that all of their tower locations are listed. I did not know they are as bad or worse than American Tower. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[WISPA] sputnik

2009-01-07 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Anybody have any experience with this outfit? http://www.sputnik.com I see StreakWave and Ubiquity have 'joined' with them. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC mailto:cprof...@cv-access.com cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California

Re: [WISPA] Typical Sector count

2009-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Who uses 2.4 GHz anymore? When I started almost 4 years ago, I chose 5 GHz because of the potential for 2.4 GHz noise and the lack of spectrum. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Hogg

Re: [WISPA] City School Internet Bid...need help and advicefromthosewho've done this.

2009-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
In the long run, fiber is definitely cheaper. Fiber's cost is upfront, whereas wireless is over time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Wednesday, January