Is that client nat'ed or does he have his own IP address so you'll know the
cease and desist order is for him when it comes? Is your billing usage
based? Can your network handle folks doing bittorrent? I think if all
answers are "yes" then you could consider allowing it. If any answers are
"no" the
Justin,
Are you doing the prioritizing/queuing with MT and L7?
Greg
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
>Several companies are now using torrents to distribute stuff. World Of
> Warcraft is one. Gets kind of touchy when you have customers paying for a
> service, such
I allow it at 4kbps... For the entire network. muhahahahahahah *cough*
But seriously. I have a play nice policy. If someone is affecting
other users, we call them and ask them to slow down thier up/downloads
so they don't piss off thier neighbors.
My wife called one of our customers to ask th
roflol Now THAT was funny!
marlon
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From: "Mike Hammett"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:56 AM
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> That is awesome.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computin
Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and
distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically you
start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is
available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once it
is don
I never said it was good to block it. I think blocking it is bad. Not sure
where you got that impression. My stance is if you can support it, charge
them for it. If it costs you too much and you lose money on it, drop it
with speed limiting, blocking or the customer entirely.
Once again...
I
They can do what they want, with the following caveats:
They don't open more than 20 connections.
The overhead on the pipe allows, while being subject to packet delays if the
thread is long duration, and the overhead IS needed.
I think the key to network control is to NEVER let ANY user impact t
Only 20 connections? I've found 75 to be a good number (Butch put that in
place ages ago and I've been the only person in 3 years to get up to that).
I'm looking at an SM now from a customer that called in this
morning...they're using 43 connections. It's one (wireless) laptop on a
Linksys into
I think the solution is to cap the connections to x Gb per month. Our
plans start at 30Gb of transfer per month. Then charge per Gb after
that.
People's usage is just going to go up and up, with more and more
streaming video, torrents, gaming etc. My opinion is, eventually you
will NOT be able to
Well, yeah, 20 connections. If they were shorter duration, I'd allow more.
Most software is polite enough to recognize the limitations and adapt.
I've never set mine higher than 20 globally, and adjust by peer if they ask
me.
What is the maximum thread count you've ever seen on a web page open
Surprised that 20 connections works for you. I hit 75 with just my laptop
open - just simply SSH, Winbox, bg services like Dropbox and Whatpulse then
my browsing habits which include many many tabs in 2-3 browsers.
I typically see 5-15 when a user requests a webpage.
If it works it works, if you
And you would be one of those customers I'd accommodate. Your needs are way
above average. I do have some techies on my network and I work with them.
Most of them are happy if their Xboxes work well.
I am of the opinion the entire human gene pool needs a little chlorine.
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Maybe the 75 is way too generous then? Hmm...
On 2/14/10, Mike wrote:
> And you would be one of those customers I'd accommodate. Your needs are way
> above average. I do have some techies on my network and I work with them.
> Most of them are happy if their Xboxes work well.
>
> I am of the op
So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no
need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are
insignificant because nobody uses Torrents.
It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you
name it) and when you run across a torr
I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem.
I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many
of them do not offer regular downloads? If you were to be one of
these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why?
I am stating torr
May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem.
>
> I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents,
8% of Swedes do peer to peer. I would expect the American population to
have a smaller figure. Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the
Thanks again for the feedback. I've never used torrents for my
Mikrotik updates. -RickG
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Robert West
wrote:
> We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing. But "allowing"
> means no 24 hour downloading.
>
> Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has t
Ya, I had one customer that is big on WOW. He didnt complain when I
asked him about it. He said he coudl get it another way. I assume
normal ftp. -RickG
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
> Several companies are now using torrents to distribute stuff. World Of
> Warcraft is
Ya, I hear that all the time but guess what I find them downloading?
Pirated software, music, and movies. LOL, many will admit it!
The real issue is this: You get a phone call from several other
customers on the same AP saying "why is it so slow?" - "I want what I
pay for". What do you tell them?
Nat'ed? Yes, but not for much longer.
Usage based billing? Not yet but its coming.
Network handle it? Interesting question. I've seen fiber connections
drop to its knees with torrents. How you gonna handle that?
-RickG
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Greg wrote:
> Is that client nat'ed or does h
Rick - what kind of AP and CPE?
On 2/14/10, RickG wrote:
> Ya, I hear that all the time but guess what I find them downloading?
> Pirated software, music, and movies. LOL, many will admit it!
>
> The real issue is this: You get a phone call from several other
> customers on the same AP saying "wh
Story of my life! Except the MS Dad part :)
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:39 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> I allow it at 4kbps... For the entire network. muhahahahahahah *cough*
>
> But seriously. I have a play nice policy. If someone is affecting
> other users, we call them and ask them to slow down t
Are you controlling connections at the AP?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Mike wrote:
> They can do what they want, with the following caveats:
>
> They don't open more than 20 connections.
>
> The overhead on the pipe allows, while being subject to packet delays if the
> thread is long duratio
I agree and have been saying that since 1997! The problem is, getting there.
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
> I think the solution is to cap the connections to x Gb per month. Our
> plans start at 30Gb of transfer per month. Then charge per Gb after
> that.
>
> People's usag
Thats an idea but he's off a repeater so its affecting the backhaul as
well. Maybe I just need better AP & BHs?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> Can you put up another link for him specifically? Charge him a large
> install fee to drop the pps on your AP and a bit more mont
Fortunately, its not common on my network ether. Just one or two a
month have to be told.
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem.
>
> I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many
>
WRAP/StarOS. With mix of Tranzeo & Ubiquiti CPE.
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> Rick - what kind of AP and CPE?
>
> On 2/14/10, RickG wrote:
>> Ya, I hear that all the time but guess what I find them downloading?
>> Pirated software, music, and movies. LOL, many will admi
Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be
anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the
last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them.
According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on them.
Appropriate bandwidth bandwidth shaping with QoS and prioritization and more
than likely you don't to tell anyone (well still very possible) but at least
you will not get complains from other users on the network that it's slow.
The good thing with fileshare it's not a "interactive" system that req
Eje,
I always respect your opinons but let me play "devils advocate". I
agree file-sharing is being forced down ISP's throats, so we have to
deal with it. Many compare ISPs to utilities. I come from a background
working for and with electric companies. If you overload their network
you will be cut
The politics of P2P aside, you'll have to handle that with bandwidth sharing
queues and traffic shaping.
Greg
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:47 PM, RickG wrote:
> Nat'ed? Yes, but not for much longer.
> Usage based billing? Not yet but its coming.
> Network handle it? Interesting question. I've seen
I agree but you cant fix a large network overnight. Especially in this weather!
Thanks for your input!
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote:
> Appropriate bandwidth bandwidth shaping with QoS and prioritization and more
> than likely you don't to tell anyone (well still very pos
OK. So, it appears most feel that it can be handled? I suppose the
fiber connection I saw drop at a large MTU was due to little to no
QOS?
So QOS will fix everything and we really wont have to worry about this?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg wrote:
> The politics of P2P aside, you'll have
Not sure of the capabilities of StarOS but Ubnt and Tranzeo can't help you
limit connections. You may need to invest in some Routerboards or something
more expensive.
You said you had Butch's QOS application - do you already have some Mikrotik
stuff in place?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Di
QOS fixes up the bandwidth you have. Makes things run smoother with the
resources available. It does not conjour additional bandwidth.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
I have a MT firewall. Can you run Butch's QOS on MT APs & CPE?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> Not sure of the capabilities of StarOS but Ubnt and Tranzeo can't help you
> limit connections. You may need to invest in some Routerboards or something
> more expensive.
>
> Yo
Absolutely. Why we ourselves don't sell our service as a unlimited service.
Nowhere do we ever say unlimited in our marketing material or other
material, and in the contract the people sign for service it clearly states
over usage is not permitted, server setup is not permitted and include file
sha
Yes you can if you want to.
/ Eje
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
I have a MT firewall. Can you run Butch
Yes, I've already experienced this with my MT firewall. But, as you
know, ISPs are always fighting the new bottleneck whether its at the
core or the edge, we just move it around. The never ending battle.
Lol, I just had an email come in from a gamer on my network:
"Rick,
Just wanted to drop you
What do you mean when you say "The problem is getting there."
I have always disclosed my transfer limits on my website
http://g5i.net/internet.php
Up until recently, I have not even begun to enforce them. But now it
is necessary. I have started IP accounting on my Cisco border router
and am colle
What I mean is that I'm so busy taking care of things I dont have time
review, implement, operate a metered billing solution. Like everything
else, I'm sure it takes time & resources.
Note: My comment about usage based billing revolves around the system
I put in place back in 1997 with the help of
There are far too many legit services running on BitTorrent to block it.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "RickG"
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:54 PM
To: "WISPA General List"
Subject: [WIS
You might be off on your tens of thousands within hours bit with WoW...
There's 11.5M as of the end of 2008 that use the service and most are
addicts... I'd be wiling to say 2M within the first couple hours and 6M in
the first day.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www
Well, you need equipment that can handle it. Just because you have a fiber
port on a Cisco (just pulling a number out of the air here) 2600, doesn't
mean the router can handle the packets per second.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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They announced they broke 12M actually.
On 2/15/10, Mike Hammett wrote:
> You might be off on your tens of thousands within hours bit with WoW...
> There's 11.5M as of the end of 2008 that use the service and most are
> addicts... I'd be wiling to say 2M within the first couple hours and 6M in
>
12M subscribers * $15 per month=$180M per month
Assuming 50% for wages and server/bandwidth costs that is still $90M per month.
Another 20% for layers and 10% for the management and there is still
$36M per month.
Even if there was only 1% left over that is $1.8M per month to play
with just from WoW
I said that at 1M subscribers. Diablo II was 50 one time and seemed
to be better made to me.
On 2/15/10, Philip Dorr wrote:
> 12M subscribers * $15 per month=$180M per month
> Assuming 50% for wages and server/bandwidth costs that is still $90M per
> month.
> Another 20% for layers and 10% for t
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