;Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Tom DeReggi wrote:
No offense taken. Its the opinions from all, that allows us to reconsider
a better balanced perspect
Tom DeReggi wrote:
No offense taken. Its the opinions from all, that allows us to
reconsider a better balanced perspective.
I may have been a "bit over the top" on my previous statements, but
none the less, I do not agree with Comcast's position on this topic.
It doesn't sit right with me, and
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
Not for the General List
?? I'm confused...what is not for the General List?
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Mac Dearman wrote:
Did you sit in on Image Stream's conversations about "packet
limiting?" I am going to have to find out a little more about that
myself.
You are a "well connected" guy, Maccall in your "people" and it
shall be done! :-)
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Travis,
Did you sit in on Image Stream's conversations about "packet limiting?" I
am going to have to find out a little more about that myself.
Mac
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> Marlon,
>
> I'm glad using the metered model works for you... but not in this area,
> nor ANY other area where there is cable, DSL, and 2-10 other w
nt: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P
I would have to agree. They did it to save costs, which includes bandwidth,
transport, equipment upgrades, etc. If I run our network wide open (which I do
from 6:00PM to 7:00AM), we see p2p traffi
;s how we track it. http://radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack
laters,
marlon
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I would have to a
Wireless Broadband
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From: "Brian Whigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 13:01 -0500, David E. Smith wrote:
C
are reading? Do they have a choice if they don't like
what they read?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2007, George Rogato wrote:
I'm not sure if we're talking about limiting the connections just
for torrents, or for everything.
There are many ways to limit connections. With iptables (and
considerable time and effort), you can put together quite a complex
set of tests to limit
I'm not sure if we're talking about limiting the connections just for
torrents, or for everything.
If you can limit the connections just for torrents and leave everything
else wide open, that would be great, but if by limiting the connections
for everything, then that is not the solution being
m DeReggi
>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
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On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 13:01 -0500, David E. Smith wrote:
> CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
> > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071019/D8SCASQ80.html
>
> Comcast has been doing this for a few months, actually. By most
> accounts, the traffic is throttled at their network edges - i.e. two
> Comcast custome
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Tom DeReggi wrote:
Interesting arcticle.
Certainly it was. It was well written BS!
My belief is that any ISP has the right to control usage of their
network. But this arcticle was most interesting because it was
addressing what are the ethical ways to accomplish that.
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Tom DeReggi wrote:
What they are doing here is sending a message that if you Buy
Comcast you get performance, if you buy from our competitors, you
Isn't that an ideal public perception? I mean, if I could get
people to understand that one reason my network is better than
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Mike Hammett wrote:
Mikrotik can control raw connections as well, but UDP is not
connection based.
Absolutely correct. However, the linux iptables connection tracking
does not care if it is UDP or TCP.
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, George Rogato wrote:
A couple names that came up was Imagestream, who says they can
control the amount of connections to help control p2p. Jeff will
step in and correct me if I'm wrong.
You are correct. Mikrotik can do the same. ANY Linux based system
can limit connect
, October 19, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P
Funny this came up today in the paper.
At this last weeks ISPCON, one of the hot finds us wisps were actively
looking for on the tradeshow floor was bandwidth management appliance that
we can use to control encrypte
Funny this came up today in the paper.
At this last weeks ISPCON, one of the hot finds us wisps were actively
looking for on the tradeshow floor was bandwidth management appliance
that we can use to control encrypted torrents and at the same time give
the user high bandwidth for the other in
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because we control the majority market, and we won't let you play with
our
clients in a favorable manner.
My m
petitive advantage.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:52 PM
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Scottie Arnett wrote:
> Forgot to mention...if BT clients would not come with deafult
> connections set at 500 to 1000, I might allow it to. That is where it
> kills our equipm
> from a legal standpoint. Explaining it in technical terms (all these
> connections kills the tower and annoys other users) is safer, and as a
> bonus is completely true. It's actually more effective on many of my
> customers, who suddenly realize that the folks being affected by their
> selfish p
Scottie Arnett wrote:
Forgot to mention...if BT clients would not come with deafult connections
set at 500 to 1000, I might allow it to. That is where it kills our
equipment...the connections, not the bandwidth.
Concur, and THAT is why I limit p2p traffic on my network.
Frankly, I couldn't ca
Mikrotik just released a new update today with "improved warez/ares p2p
protocol matching".
Travis
Microserv
Matt wrote:
25 ?! You're lucky. If I stop my Mikrotik queues based on all-p2p
matching via firewall mangles, the network
will come to a stop because usage will go to 99%.
1kbps. Sue me.
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I would have to agree. They did it to save costs, which incl
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Scottie Arnett wrote:
> In my opinion, if they have something legit to transfer, they can
> setup and use ftp. It works faster anyways IMHO.
You've obviously never bee
> 25 ?! You're lucky. If I stop my Mikrotik queues based on all-p2p
> matching via firewall mangles, the network
>
> will come to a stop because usage will go to 99%.
>
>
>
> I limit p2p down & uploads to 1kbps. Sue me.
My experience anymore is Mikrotik cannot do a very good job at
catching it
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Scottie Arnett wrote:
> In my opinion, if they have something legit to transfer, they can
> setup and u
be adopting P2P).
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be adopting P2P).
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Scottie Arnett wrote:
In my opinion, if they have something legit to transfer, they can setup and
use ftp. It works faster anyways IMHO.
You've obviously never been on a well-seeded torrent. :)
Seriously, plug yourself into your NOC right after a "big" Linux release
(the new version of Ubunt
: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P
25 ?! You're lucky. If I stop my Mikrotik queues based on all-p2p matching
via firewall mangles, the network
will come to a stop because usage will go to 99%.
I limit p2p down & uploads to 1kbps. Sue me.
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nson
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I would have to agree. They did it to save costs, which includes
bandwidth, transport, equipment upgrades, etc. If I run our network wide
open (which I do fr
I would have to agree. They did it to save costs, which includes
bandwidth, transport, equipment upgrades, etc. If I run our network
wide open (which I do from 6:00PM to 7:00AM), we see p2p traffic using
25% of our total bandwidth.
Travis
Microserv
David E. Smith wrote:
On Fri, October 19,
On Fri, October 19, 2007 2:24 pm, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Yeah right... It has nothing to do with saving Interconnect dollars.
> Comcast's download ratios are already way higher than upload even with
> BitTorrent full force, and probably are already getting paid for the
> peering relationships if any
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CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071019/D8SCASQ80.html
Comcast has been doing this for a few months, actuall
good speed.
Luke
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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:17 PM
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Interesting arcticle.
My belief is that any ISP has the rig
"CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071019/D8SCASQ80.html
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAI
CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071019/D8SCASQ80.html
Comcast has been doing this for a few months, actually. By most
accounts, the traffic is throttled at their network edges - i.e. two
Comcast customers can trade files all they want, the throttling only
kicks in when
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071019/D8SCASQ80.html
Chuck Profito
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CV-ACCESS, INC
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