Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matthew Carpenter]

I have done programming inside Azure as well as run a couple of servers for
.NET Code Source Backup and Compile.
It has been 100% perfect for about 1.5 years.

Its reliable enough that banks and credit card processors are starting to
use the Azure web services to accept transactions then pass through the VPN
to the bank core system (non-Azure).
Plus Azure got its PCI status for CC processing & storage.

Matt Carpenter
Amarillo Wireless





On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
wrote:

> I haven't heard that.
>
> --
> *From: *"Judd Dare" <judd.d...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Friday, June 24, 2016 11:35:11 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> Azure is far from reliable.
> On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
>> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
>> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
>>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
>>> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>>>
>>> The other way around works great though.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
>>>> the baicells EPC??
>>>>
>>>> *gear spinning*
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
>>>> offs to other vendors.
>>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
>>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>>>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

Rick,

This is great info/news!  Thanks for taking the time to research and clarify.  
My concern wasn't even with security so much as having the ability to take our 
destiny into our own hands without the need for hand-holding every step of the 
way, and needing to make sure that schedules always mesh between our engineers 
and yours every time we want to commission a new base station.  But you raise 
some good points, and it is also good to know that there isn't a universal 
backdoor that we need to worry about possibly being discovered and exploited by 
a malicious third-party.

Thanks again,

-- Nathan

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Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

I just got some additional information from Jesse Rausch.  It appears to be 
resolved.

Jesse:  You can simply change one parameter to use your own core.  MME IP is a 
web GUI parameter. An operator can change this to connect a Baicells eNB to a 
third party EPC. No remote programming is necessary for this.  If you want to 
disable the local breakout to use the EPC's PGW, then you can configure a 
parameter in the CLI for this, which everyone has access to.  Some customer may 
be sensitive to the fact that it is possible for technical employees of 
Baicells to remotely access their equipment. All customer radios have an IPsec 
tunnel to our cloud EPC. Because of this, I can remote into our cloud EPC, and 
from there, SSH into the client radio. It is recommended to change the default 
password on the eNB. This comes in very handy and I will at that point ask the 
customer for their password. For the duration of the trial, we will most likely 
keep ports open across the IPsec tunnel to make remote support easier.  After 
the trials, we will most likely recommend all ports be closed except for a port 
for technical support to login to the eNB if necessary.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Director of WISP Markets
Baicells Technologies, N.A.I
Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 10:52 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Nathan,

Network security is very important to us.  We are working on developing a 
secure channel to operators to enable operators to change  ENB settings to flow 
to your own PGW.   We will let everyone know when we have this accomplished.  
Until then, our technical staff will need to do this in the interim.  It is a 
temporary limitation.  Thank you for pointing this out.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Director of WISP Markets
Baicells Technologies, N.A.
Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com<mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com>
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Anderson
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 3:12 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

There has been a lot of talk about network performance both just by itself as 
well as compared to other products, but one thing I would be interested in 
hearing more discussion on -- assuming Baicells allows for it at this point -- 
is the configuration and management interface(s).  Perhaps these UIs are in too 
embryonic a form currently for a productive discussion or a fair analysis to 
take place, and Baicells may be trying to concentrate this phase of the trial 
more on correct MAC function and performance.  But as somebody who is intrigued 
by the idea of running a few of these side-by-side with a competing product on 
a heterogeneous (vendor-wise) 3GPP network with our own core, it would be good 
to know what we are up against as far as ongoing monitoring and maintenance 
goes, since it's presumably a given that we aren't going to be able to use our 
existing vendor's NMS (for example) to monitor and control these.  Sooo...what 
does management look like at this point, what kinds of stats can you collect, 
and what mechanisms can you use to extract and collect them?  Do operators 
using these ENBs feel somewhat blind at this point or are you able to track all 
of the performance indicators that you feel you need in order to be able to 
diagnose issues?

As far as commissioning one of these ENBs goes, I would also be interested to 
know more about what that entails, especially given the claim of "4G Easy as 
WiFi."  So what does

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Rick Harnish]

I just got some additional information from Jesse Rausch.  It appears to be 
resolved.

 

Jesse:  You can simply change one parameter to use your own core.  MME IP is a 
web GUI parameter. An operator can change this to connect a Baicells eNB to a 
third party EPC. No remote programming is necessary for this.  If you want to 
disable the local breakout to use the EPC's PGW, then you can configure a 
parameter in the CLI for this, which everyone has access to.  Some customer may 
be sensitive to the fact that it is possible for technical employees of 
Baicells to remotely access their equipment. All customer radios have an IPsec 
tunnel to our cloud EPC. Because of this, I can remote into our cloud EPC, and 
from there, SSH into the client radio. It is recommended to change the default 
password on the eNB. This comes in very handy and I will at that point ask the 
customer for their password. For the duration of the trial, we will most likely 
keep ports open across the IPsec tunnel to make remote support easier.  After 
the trials, we will most likely recommend all ports be closed except for a port 
for technical support to login to the eNB if necessary.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.I 

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 10:52 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

Nathan, 

 

Network security is very important to us.  We are working on developing a 
secure channel to operators to enable operators to change  ENB settings to flow 
to your own PGW.   We will let everyone know when we have this accomplished.  
Until then, our technical staff will need to do this in the interim.  It is a 
temporary limitation.  Thank you for pointing this out.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com <mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com> 

 <https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Anderson
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 3:12 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

There has been a lot of talk about network performance both just by itself as 
well as compared to other products, but one thing I would be interested in 
hearing more discussion on -- assuming Baicells allows for it at this point -- 
is the configuration and management interface(s).  Perhaps these UIs are in too 
embryonic a form currently for a productive discussion or a fair analysis to 
take place, and Baicells may be trying to concentrate this phase of the trial 
more on correct MAC function and performance.  But as somebody who is intrigued 
by the idea of running a few of these side-by-side with a competing product on 
a heterogeneous (vendor-wise) 3GPP network with our own core, it would be good 
to know what we are up against as far as ongoing monitoring and maintenance 
goes, since it's presumably a given that we aren't going to be able to use our 
existing vendor's NMS (for example) to monitor and control these.  Sooo...what 
does management look like at this point, what kinds of stats can you collect, 
and what mechanisms can you use to extract and collect them?  Do operators 
using these ENBs feel somewhat blind at this point or are you able to track all 
of the performance indicators that you feel you need in order to be able to 
diagnose issues?

 

As far as commissioning one of these ENBs goes, I would also be interested to 
know more about what that entails, especially given the claim of "4G Easy as 
WiFi."  So what does that mean in practice, exactly?  I admit I was a little 
disheartened to hear that at this point, in order to configure an ENB to send 
traffic to your own PGW, a Baicells engineer apparently has to remote into the 
thing to make the change for you.  I'm hoping that this is a temporary 
limitation while they continue to work on the (beta) software and that this 
isn't a permanent state of affairs or indicative of the direction they are 
going, because as Patrick himself said during his ISP Radio interview, "we all 
like to drive our own cars."  The goal of simplicity is a great one from both a 
"customer sat" and support perspective, so long as while you are chasing it you 
don't abandon or significantly hamper flexibility, restrict freedoms, and/or 
increase one's dependence on a third-party for every little thing.

 

-- Nathan

 

From: wireless-boun.

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Rick Harnish]

Nathan, 

 

Network security is very important to us.  We are working on developing a 
secure channel to operators to enable operators to change  ENB settings to flow 
to your own PGW.   We will let everyone know when we have this accomplished.  
Until then, our technical staff will need to do this in the interim.  It is a 
temporary limitation.  Thank you for pointing this out.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Nathan Anderson
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 3:12 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

There has been a lot of talk about network performance both just by itself as 
well as compared to other products, but one thing I would be interested in 
hearing more discussion on -- assuming Baicells allows for it at this point -- 
is the configuration and management interface(s).  Perhaps these UIs are in too 
embryonic a form currently for a productive discussion or a fair analysis to 
take place, and Baicells may be trying to concentrate this phase of the trial 
more on correct MAC function and performance.  But as somebody who is intrigued 
by the idea of running a few of these side-by-side with a competing product on 
a heterogeneous (vendor-wise) 3GPP network with our own core, it would be good 
to know what we are up against as far as ongoing monitoring and maintenance 
goes, since it's presumably a given that we aren't going to be able to use our 
existing vendor's NMS (for example) to monitor and control these.  Sooo...what 
does management look like at this point, what kinds of stats can you collect, 
and what mechanisms can you use to extract and collect them?  Do operators 
using these ENBs feel somewhat blind at this point or are you able to track all 
of the performance indicators that you feel you need in order to be able to 
diagnose issues?

 

As far as commissioning one of these ENBs goes, I would also be interested to 
know more about what that entails, especially given the claim of "4G Easy as 
WiFi."  So what does that mean in practice, exactly?  I admit I was a little 
disheartened to hear that at this point, in order to configure an ENB to send 
traffic to your own PGW, a Baicells engineer apparently has to remote into the 
thing to make the change for you.  I'm hoping that this is a temporary 
limitation while they continue to work on the (beta) software and that this 
isn't a permanent state of affairs or indicative of the direction they are 
going, because as Patrick himself said during his ISP Radio interview, "we all 
like to drive our own cars."  The goal of simplicity is a great one from both a 
"customer sat" and support perspective, so long as while you are chasing it you 
don't abandon or significantly hamper flexibility, restrict freedoms, and/or 
increase one's dependence on a third-party for every little thing.

 

-- Nathan

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 12:09 PM
To: a...@afmug.com <mailto:a...@afmug.com> ; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care to 
comment on/off list?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Rick Harnish]

In this case, the WISP trial operators are running the tests, independent of 
the vendor (Baicells).  I do know that our trial operators are putting the 
equipment to some challenging NLOS tests.  My job is to relay those results to 
the WISP audience as honestly as I can.  We expect those who doubt the cloud 
EPC platform and test results and that is fine.  Challenges to both will only 
make our product better.  Thank you for your thoughtful replies.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ian Fraser
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:50 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

I disagree.

 I can publish info that shows my truck can go faster than yours, on the "same" 
road under different conditions with a number of variables not accounted for 
including speed limit, driver, traffic conditions, tires, engine size, 
snow/ice/rain/clear sunny day, day/night and a dozen other things.  What does 
that prove ?  Would you then decide that you should buy the same kind of truck ?

Without the other variables accounted for this info says nothing of real value. 
 I'm not siding with any vendor.  I just want real comparative data so that I 
can make informed decisions and this is not that in the slightest.

Ian

 

On 6/25/2016 9:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" <ian_fra...@gozoom.ca 
<mailto:ian_fra...@gozoom.ca> > wrote:

 

This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one 
without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'. 

What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe (maybe), 
Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely), duration of 
sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows), latency (?).  

So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable connection at 
the same single location.  

Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise what's the 
point ?

Ian

 

 

On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in South 
Carolina on Tuesday.  

 

Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in Reeseville, SC. 
Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged and Baicells was 
after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells

 

Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the  
<https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells/> Baicells Facebook page

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443 <tel:%2B1.972.922.1443> 

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com <mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com> 

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To: WISPA General List  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

+1.

 

 

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak 

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very 

>soon.

> 

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  

> > Care to comment on/off list?

> >

> > Josh Luthman

> > Office: 937-552-2340  

> > Direct: 937-552-2343  

> > 1100 Wayne St

> > Suite 1337

> > Troy, OH 45373

> >

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Rick Harnish]

Ian,

 

I realize the comparison may not be relevant.  That’s why I made it clear (or 
attempted to) that there were variables about the tests that were different, 
like foliage and the D/U speed restrictions on the competitors test.  The 
competitors EPC was a hardware based EPC manufactured by the competitor, while 
the Baicells test was using the Baicells Cloud EPC.  I assume the Internet pipe 
was the same.  I assume the operator used the same laptop, although I don’t 
know for sure.  As far as I know, he used SpeedTest.net for both tests.  I 
don’t know about time of day, but that could definitely affect the tests.  I 
know the Baicells test was done midday.  The sample time was whatever the 
speedtest.net time is.   Ping times were not recorded.

 

We will publish more tests as they come in.  I will provide your suggestions to 
other operators (50) doing the trials.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ian Fraser
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:27 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

 

This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one 
without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'. 

What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe (maybe), 
Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely), duration of 
sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows), latency (?).  

So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable connection at 
the same single location.  

Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise what's the 
point ?

Ian

 

 

On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in South 
Carolina on Tuesday.  

 

Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in Reeseville, SC. 
Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged and Baicells was 
after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells

 

Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the  
<https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells/> Baicells Facebook page

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com <mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com> 

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

+1.

 

 

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak 

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very 

>soon.

> 

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  

> > Care to comment on/off list?

> >

> > Josh Luthman

> > Office: 937-552-2340

> > Direct: 937-552-2343

> > 1100 Wayne St

> > Suite 1337

> > Troy, OH 45373

> >

> >

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[D. Ryan Spott]

Specifics?

ryan

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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 09:35, Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Azure is far from reliable.
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
>> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to 
>>>> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>>>> 
>>>> The other way around works great though.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to 
>>>>> the baicells EPC??
>>>>> 
>>>>> *gear spinning*
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>>>>> offs to other vendors.
>>>>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>>>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>>>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
>>>>>>>>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
>>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Mike Hammett]

I haven't heard that. 

- Original Message -

From: "Judd Dare" <judd.d...@gmail.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 11:35:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


Azure is far from reliable. 
On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: 



No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be. 
They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy . 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: 





So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down? 



On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: 





probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult. 


The other way around works great though. 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes < 
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > wrote: 





Since LTE is a standard I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC?? 


*gear spinning* 



On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: 





Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors. 
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc. 
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing. 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing. I asked last week. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 





I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 


Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 






He said "real" good ;) 



- Original Message - 
From: Matt Hoppes 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 



As opposed to bad? :P. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 





"Good"? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 





True. It's good though. Real good. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann < ch...@scsalaska.net > wrote: 





We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one. 
On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: 





Whats the pricing like? 


On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 






https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/ 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek < christ...@cybernet1.com > wrote: 





Ours* brain fart. 


We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing. 







Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 



 Original message  
From: Christian Palecek < christ...@cybernet1.com > 
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though. Only getting one I 
guess. 







Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 



---- Original message ---- 
From: Chris Ruschmann < ch...@scsalaska.net > 
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today. 
On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" < mfran...@jmfsolutions.net > wrote: 




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On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote! 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis < mfran..

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

There has been a lot of talk about network performance both just by itself as 
well as compared to other products, but one thing I would be interested in 
hearing more discussion on -- assuming Baicells allows for it at this point -- 
is the configuration and management interface(s).  Perhaps these UIs are in too 
embryonic a form currently for a productive discussion or a fair analysis to 
take place, and Baicells may be trying to concentrate this phase of the trial 
more on correct MAC function and performance.  But as somebody who is intrigued 
by the idea of running a few of these side-by-side with a competing product on 
a heterogeneous (vendor-wise) 3GPP network with our own core, it would be good 
to know what we are up against as far as ongoing monitoring and maintenance 
goes, since it's presumably a given that we aren't going to be able to use our 
existing vendor's NMS (for example) to monitor and control these.  Sooo...what 
does management look like at this point, what kinds of stats can you collect, 
and what mechanisms can you use to extract and collect them?  Do operators 
using these ENBs feel somewhat blind at this point or are you able to track all 
of the performance indicators that you feel you need in order to be able to 
diagnose issues?

As far as commissioning one of these ENBs goes, I would also be interested to 
know more about what that entails, especially given the claim of "4G Easy as 
WiFi."  So what does that mean in practice, exactly?  I admit I was a little 
disheartened to hear that at this point, in order to configure an ENB to send 
traffic to your own PGW, a Baicells engineer apparently has to remote into the 
thing to make the change for you.  I'm hoping that this is a temporary 
limitation while they continue to work on the (beta) software and that this 
isn't a permanent state of affairs or indicative of the direction they are 
going, because as Patrick himself said during his ISP Radio interview, "we all 
like to drive our own cars."  The goal of simplicity is a great one from both a 
"customer sat" and support perspective, so long as while you are chasing it you 
don't abandon or significantly hamper flexibility, restrict freedoms, and/or 
increase one's dependence on a third-party for every little thing.

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 12:09 PM
To: a...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care to 
comment on/off list?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Ian Fraser]

But it's not saying that the Baicells did either because they didn't Set 
a provisioned speed for it.  So what /should /it have reached ?  Granted 
the numbers are higher, but what does that mean ?



Maybe it says that one EPC/UE was configured for QCI 6 and the other for 
3 ?  Maybe the UE was 5 feet off the ground for one and 35' for the 
other.  One tweaked or one just 'aimed'.



Maybe the competitor was doing the absolute best they could to make 
their stuff run as good as possible and Baicell's is just so much better 
that they tested from a J Arm on the seat of the car facing in the 
opposite direction.  Maybe not.  We have no idea so it's useless 
information.



Ian


On 6/25/2016 12:22 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Generally I agree. But none of the competitor tests, save one, even 
approached the provisioned speed.



On Jun 25, 2016, at 09:30, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:



Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" <ian_fra...@gozoom.ca 
<mailto:ian_fra...@gozoom.ca>> wrote:



This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage
and one without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed
limit set'.

What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet
pipe (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day
(most likely), duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test
rig used ? (who knows), latency (?).

So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable
connection at the same single location.

Please publish something comparative that we can chew on,
otherwise what's the point ?

Ian



On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:


Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a
test in South Carolina on Tuesday.

Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in
Reeseville, SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before
foliage emerged and Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells

Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the
Baicells Facebook page<https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells/>

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443 <tel:%2B1.972.922.1443>

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+1.

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not
speak

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth
come very

>soon.

>

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear
deployed?

> > Care to comment on/off list?

> >

> > Josh Luthman

> > Office: 937-552-2340 

> > Direct: 937-552-2343 

> > 1100 Wayne St

> > Suite 1337

> > Troy, OH 45373

> >

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Ian Fraser]

And the question to be answered is what is the reason for that? To 
answer that you must eliminate all the variables you can.  To just 
assume either gear is better or worse because of these numbers without 
knowing all the other variables is not the right way to go.


Ian


On 6/25/2016 12:22 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Generally I agree. But none of the competitor tests, save one, even 
approached the provisioned speed.



On Jun 25, 2016, at 09:30, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:



Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" <ian_fra...@gozoom.ca 
<mailto:ian_fra...@gozoom.ca>> wrote:



This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage
and one without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed
limit set'.

What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet
pipe (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day
(most likely), duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test
rig used ? (who knows), latency (?).

So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable
connection at the same single location.

Please publish something comparative that we can chew on,
otherwise what's the point ?

Ian



On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:


Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a
test in South Carolina on Tuesday.

Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in
Reeseville, SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before
foliage emerged and Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells

Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the
Baicells Facebook page<https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells/>

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443 <tel:%2B1.972.922.1443>

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+1.

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not
speak

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth
come very

>soon.

>

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear
deployed?

> > Care to comment on/off list?

> >

> > Josh Luthman

> > Office: 937-552-2340 

> > Direct: 937-552-2343 

> > 1100 Wayne St

> > Suite 1337

> > Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Jeremy Austin]

It does seem to be apples and oranges. The CINR vs percentage of drop do
not square with my own testing, which was ~70 locations and using iPerf
rather than something off-net.

And when I started testing 15 Mb plans and speedtest, performance was
consistent with iperf testing, with known and stable upstream capacity.

It would be great to see CINR and RSRP values for *both* testing setups.
Those translate consistently to UE performance, in my (admittedly short)
experience. And if Baicells is holding higher modulations at lower CINR
values, that would be both interesting and valuable to know.

Regardless, I look forward to further testing results. Great to see more
people getting LTE experience.

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Generally I agree. But none of the competitor tests, save one, even
> approached the provisioned speed.
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2016, at 09:30, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" <ian_fra...@gozoom.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one
>> without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'.
>>
>> What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe
>> (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely),
>> duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows),
>> latency (?).
>>
>> So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable
>> connection at the same single location.
>>
>> Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise
>> what's the point ?
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
>>
>> Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in
>> South Carolina on Tuesday.
>>
>>
>>
>> Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in
>> Reeseville, SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged
>> and Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells
>>
>>
>>
>> Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the Baicells
>> Facebook page <https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Harnish
>>
>> Director of WISP Markets
>>
>> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>>
>> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>>
>> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>>
>> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Daniel Mullen
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:18 PM
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>>
>>
>> +1.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:
>>
>> >I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>
>> >yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>>
>> >soon.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> > > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?
>>
>> > > Care to comment on/off list?
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Josh Luthman
>>
>> > > Office: 937-552-2340
>>
>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>
>> > > 1100 Wayne St
>>
>> > > Suite 1337
>>
>> > > Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> > >
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Generally I agree. But none of the competitor tests, save one, even approached 
the provisioned speed. 


> On Jun 25, 2016, at 09:30, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" <ian_fra...@gozoom.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one 
>> without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'. 
>> What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe 
>> (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely), 
>> duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows), 
>> latency (?).  
>> So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable connection 
>> at the same single location.  
>> Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise what's 
>> the point ?
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
>>> Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in South 
>>> Carolina on Tuesday. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in Reeseville, 
>>> SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged and 
>>> Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the Baicells 
>>> Facebook page
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rick Harnish
>>> 
>>> Director of WISP Markets
>>> 
>>> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>>> 
>>> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>>> 
>>> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>>> 
>>> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Daniel Mullen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:18 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> +1.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> >I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>> 
>>> >yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very 
>>> 
>>> >soon.
>>> 
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> >On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> 
>>> > > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? 
>>> 
>>> > > Care to comment on/off list?
>>> 
>>> > >
>>> 
>>> > > Josh Luthman
>>> 
>>> > > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> 
>>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 
>>> > > 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> > > Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> > > Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> > >
>>> 
>>> > >
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Ian Fraser]

I disagree.

 I can publish info that shows my truck can go faster than yours, on 
the "same" road under different conditions with a number of variables 
not accounted for including speed limit, driver, traffic conditions, 
tires, engine size, snow/ice/rain/clear sunny day, day/night and a dozen 
other things.  What does that prove ?  Would you then decide that you 
should buy the same kind of truck ?


Without the other variables accounted for this info says nothing of real 
value.  I'm not siding with any vendor.  I just want real comparative 
data so that I can make informed decisions and this is not that in the 
slightest.


Ian


On 6/25/2016 9:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" <ian_fra...@gozoom.ca 
<mailto:ian_fra...@gozoom.ca>> wrote:



This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage
and one without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit
set'.

What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet
pipe (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day
(most likely), duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test
rig used ? (who knows), latency (?).

So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable
connection at the same single location.

Please publish something comparative that we can chew on,
otherwise what's the point ?

Ian



On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:


Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a
test in South Carolina on Tuesday.

Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in
Reeseville, SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before
foliage emerged and Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells

Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the
Baicells Facebook page<https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells/>

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443 <tel:%2B1.972.922.1443>

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+1.

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not
speak

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth
come very

>soon.

>

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear
deployed?

> > Care to comment on/off list?

> >

> > Josh Luthman

> > Office: 937-552-2340 

> > Direct: 937-552-2343 

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> > Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" <ian_fra...@gozoom.ca> wrote:

>
> This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one
> without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'.
>
> What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe
> (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely),
> duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows),
> latency (?).
>
> So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable
> connection at the same single location.
>
> Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise what's
> the point ?
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
>
> Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in
> South Carolina on Tuesday.
>
>
>
> Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in Reeseville,
> SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged and
> Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells
>
>
>
> Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the Baicells
> Facebook page <https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells/>
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
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>
>
> -Original Message-
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> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Daniel Mullen
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:18 PM
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
>
>
> +1.
>
>
>
>
>
> At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:
>
> >I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>
> >yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>
> >soon.
>
> >
>
> >On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?
>
> > > Care to comment on/off list?
>
> > >
>
> > > Josh Luthman
>
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
>
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
>
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>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Ian Fraser]

This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and 
one without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'.


What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe 
(maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most 
likely), duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? 
(who knows), latency (?).


So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable 
connection at the same single location.


Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise 
what's the point ?


Ian



On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:


Wave 2 trials are just beginning. Here are some results of a test in 
South Carolina on Tuesday.


Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in 
Reeseville, SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage 
emerged and Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells


Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the 
Baicells Facebook page<https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells/>


Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

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On Behalf Of Daniel Mullen

Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:18 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

+1.

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very

>soon.

>

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?

> > Care to comment on/off list?

> >

> > Josh Luthman

> > Office: 937-552-2340

> > Direct: 937-552-2343

> > 1100 Wayne St

> > Suite 1337

> > Troy, OH 45373

> >

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

You're always welcome to reply off list =)

Message sent!


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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Rick Harnish <rick.harn...@baicells.com>
wrote:

> You know I can’t discuss price on a WISPA list.  Contact me offlist with
> such questions please.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
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>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, June 24, 2016 12:50 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
>
>
> Please make sure it's ESXi compatible or OVA.  Any updates on price?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Rick Harnish <rick.harn...@baicells.com>
> wrote:
>
> The important thing to note here is that Baicells is offering options.
> You can use the cloud EPC, use another manufacturers hardware EPC that is
> 3GPP interoperable or you will soon be able to purchase a VM EPC software
> platform to load on your own platform (Not ready yet).  So far, we have not
> had any reports of a cloud EPC failure.  Baicells has separated the control
> plane and the data plane.  Data goes out the ISP’s gateway and does not
> have to go to the cloud.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
> <https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Judd Dare
> *Sent:* Friday, June 24, 2016 12:35 PM
>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
>
>
> Azure is far from reliable.
>
> On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
>
> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>
>
>
> The other way around works great though.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
> the baicells EPC??
>
>
>
> *gear spinning*
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
> offs to other vendors.
>
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>
>
>
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> He said "real" good ;)
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
>
>
> As opposed to bad? :P.
>
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Rick Harnish]

You know I can’t discuss price on a WISPA list.  Contact me offlist with such 
questions please.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

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Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 12:50 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

Please make sure it's ESXi compatible or OVA.  Any updates on price?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Rick Harnish <rick.harn...@baicells.com 
<mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com> > wrote:

The important thing to note here is that Baicells is offering options.  You can 
use the cloud EPC, use another manufacturers hardware EPC that is 3GPP 
interoperable or you will soon be able to purchase a VM EPC software platform 
to load on your own platform (Not ready yet).  So far, we have not had any 
reports of a cloud EPC failure.  Baicells has separated the control plane and 
the data plane.  Data goes out the ISP’s gateway and does not have to go to the 
cloud.  

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443 <tel:%2B1.972.922.1443> 

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com <mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com> 

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ] On 
Behalf Of Judd Dare
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 12:35 PM


To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

Azure is far from reliable.

On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.

They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com 
<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?


On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult.

 

The other way around works great though.

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > 
wrote:

Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

 

*gear spinning*


On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors.

for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.

Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing.

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 

 

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 


On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

He said "real" good ;)

 

- Original Message ----- 

From: Matt Hoppes <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>  

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

As opposed to bad? :P. 


On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

True. It's good though. Real good. 


On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:

We all

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

Please make sure it's ESXi compatible or OVA.  Any updates on price?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Rick Harnish <rick.harn...@baicells.com>
wrote:

> The important thing to note here is that Baicells is offering options.
> You can use the cloud EPC, use another manufacturers hardware EPC that is
> 3GPP interoperable or you will soon be able to purchase a VM EPC software
> platform to load on your own platform (Not ready yet).  So far, we have not
> had any reports of a cloud EPC failure.  Baicells has separated the control
> plane and the data plane.  Data goes out the ISP’s gateway and does not
> have to go to the cloud.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
> <https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Judd Dare
> *Sent:* Friday, June 24, 2016 12:35 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
>
>
> Azure is far from reliable.
>
> On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
>
> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>
>
>
> The other way around works great though.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
> the baicells EPC??
>
>
>
> *gear spinning*
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
> offs to other vendors.
>
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>
>
>
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> He said "real" good ;)
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
>
>
> As opposed to bad? :P.
>
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> "Good"?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
> True. It's good though. Real good.
>
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Whats the pricing like?
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ours*  brain fart.
>
>
>
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a
> small town center so

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Rick Harnish]

The important thing to note here is that Baicells is offering options.  You can 
use the cloud EPC, use another manufacturers hardware EPC that is 3GPP 
interoperable or you will soon be able to purchase a VM EPC software platform 
to load on your own platform (Not ready yet).  So far, we have not had any 
reports of a cloud EPC failure.  Baicells has separated the control plane and 
the data plane.  Data goes out the ISP’s gateway and does not have to go to the 
cloud.  

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Judd Dare
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 12:35 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

Azure is far from reliable.

On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.

They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com 
<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?


On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult.

 

The other way around works great though.

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > 
wrote:

Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

 

*gear spinning*


On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors.

for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.

Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing.

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 

 

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 


On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

He said "real" good ;)

 

- Original Message - 

From: Matt Hoppes <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>  

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

As opposed to bad? :P. 


On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

True. It's good though. Real good. 


On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net 
<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net> > wrote:

We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com <mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com> > 
wrote:

Whats the pricing like?


On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/


On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com 
<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com> > wrote:

Ours*  brain fart.

 

We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

-------- Original message ----

From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com 
<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com> > 

Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 

To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Judd Dare]

Azure is far from reliable.
On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
>> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>>
>> The other way around works great though.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
>>> the baicells EPC??
>>>
>>> *gear spinning*
>>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
>>> offs to other vendors.
>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Original message 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Daniel Mullen]

+1.


At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:
>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>soon.
>
>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
> > to comment on/off list?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Fred Goldstein]

On 6/19/2016 10:09 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote:
> I believe that Patrick has said as much (not SDR) on the ISP Radio interview 
> with him back in April.  Would certainly go a ways to explaining how they 
> managed to offer it for basically 1/3rd the price of competing gear.

I only know what's public including what was said on the very good WISP 
Brothers interview from WISPAmerica. What I got from that is that 
Baicells uses Qualcomm chips. So just as Ubiquiti used Atheros chips to 
make decent cheap radios, Baicells uses Qualcomm's chips rather than 
building everything from scratch. I'm not sure if this applies to all of 
their eNBs or just the little one, though. And whether the chip counts 
as SDR is itself an interesting question.

> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> I think Adair said he has?
>
> Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know.

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matthew Carpenter]

On the Baicells you can (They can at this point) repoint your gateway and
it will start using the Telrad core for customer traffic.

So...  if I change the Baicells eNB MNS setting to the Telrad core then it
will send Auth SIM card data to Telrad core, but all customer traffic still
goes out the Local Gateway.  If you want SIM auth and Customer traffic to
go to the Telrad core then Baicells needs to login and make a change also.
Like I said we have only tested the SIM auth to the Telrad core at this
point.

Matt Carpenter


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:

> Okay, cool, so if one intermixes Baicells and Telrad on a network with
> their own core, one can unify the experience across the line for their
> customers; good.
>
> The *eNB* is NATting?  With no option to turn off if using local
> breakout?  (Not that I guess it matters if planning to use one's own core.)
>
> I had not considered that since Baicells runs the core that their SIMs are
> pre-populated into that they likely don't give you the keys.  Makes sense.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> The Biacells eNB can be changed to send all customer traffic to the core,
> or you can send customer traffic to it's local Gateway.
> We have not tried sending all the customer traffic from a Biacells eNB to
> our Telrad core, but it is something I want to test out.
>
> The Biacells eNB has NAT turned on for customer traffic when using its
> local Gateway.
>
> Currently Telrad does not support peeling off customer traffic and sending
> to the its local Gateway.. it all have to go to the Core.
>
> The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We
> were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
> A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a
> Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.
>
>
>
> Matt Carpenter
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
> wrote:
> Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do
> it, which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB.
>
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com nath...@fsr.com>> wrote:
> >
> > So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for
> authentication.  Very cool.
> >
> > Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel
> to the EPC.
> >
> > However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go
> to/from the core for that to work.
> >
> > How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it,
> because I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's
> perspective as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of
> the user traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that
> user traffic be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB
> implement part of the EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you
> wanted to, could you elect to shut those off and have it ship user traffic
> off to an external EPC as well?
> >
> > What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide
> those as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
> >
> > -- Nathan
> > 
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [
> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf
> Of Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net>]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> >
> > So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and
> UEs.
> >
> > Bi

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matthew Carpenter]

The Baicells UE has a 1500 MTU as its default.

Older versions of the Telrad firmware did not support 1500, but I was told
the newest versions will.
New versions needed for eNB, EPC, and UE to support 1500MTU.

One of our customers is having an issue with his VPN.  On the UBNT 5Ghz
network he had no issue. Now that he is on the LTE he is unable to
establish a VPN connection.  Adair thinks it is packet fragmentation since
its at 1400MTU.

Matt Carpenter



On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:

> What is Baicells UE default MTU?
>
> I am not sure if all of the Telrad devices on the network (Compact &
> Breezeway) properly support jumbo frames.  I can't remember which device it
> was -- I *think* it was the Breezeway -- but there was one I remember
> testing and found a hard MTU limit on (IIRC, with the current 6.5 GA
> release, I think a 1496 MTU is forced on the PDN service interface VLAN).
>
> Ah, yes, here we go:
>
> eth1.13   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
>   inet addr:NNN.NNN.NNN.NNN  Bcast:NNN.NNN.NNN.255
> Mask:255.255.255.0
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1496  Metric:1
>
> It makes sense to have a default MTU < 1500 on UEs since it is by no means
> guaranteed that the network itself will have the necessary headroom for
> 1500 once all of the GTP overhead is accounted for.
>
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes, the current Biacells (11db) UE when using a Telrad SIM card will
> connect to the Telrad eNB and Telrad core and work fine.
> The only issue I have found is that I have to set the Biacells UE’s MTU
> setting down to 1400 for it to work correctly.
>
> The latest firmware from Telrad was supposed to allow MTU of 1500 on the
> UE, but we have not been able to make that work yet.
> I am going to send all the details off to Telrad on the MTU issue.  The
> current UE 7000 has a MTU of 1400 by default!
>
> Will test the Biacells (19.5db) as soon as I get it on Monday.
>
>
> Matt Carpenter
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Jeremy Austin <jhaus...@gmail.com jhaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Matthew Carpenter <
> mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net>>
> wrote:
>
> The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We
> were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
> A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a
> Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.
>
> How about the reverse? A Telrad SIM in a Baicells UE, connecting to a
> Telrad ENB/EPC? I remember some discussion about WISPA about the
> attractiveness of a cheaper UE.
>
> Then again, the next gen Telrad CPEs are ostensibly cheaper than the
> 7000s...
>
> Thanks for all the compatibility testing, Amarillo -- great work.
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

Here is the direct link to the offset in the ISP Radio interview where Baicells 
SDR claim is laid to rest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzXaLsN1yWc=3059

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred 
Goldstein [f...@interisle.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8:10 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

On 6/19/2016 10:09 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote:
> I believe that Patrick has said as much (not SDR) on the ISP Radio interview 
> with him back in April.  Would certainly go a ways to explaining how they 
> managed to offer it for basically 1/3rd the price of competing gear.

I only know what's public including what was said on the very good WISP
Brothers interview from WISPAmerica. What I got from that is that
Baicells uses Qualcomm chips. So just as Ubiquiti used Atheros chips to
make decent cheap radios, Baicells uses Qualcomm's chips rather than
building everything from scratch. I'm not sure if this applies to all of
their eNBs or just the little one, though. And whether the chip counts
as SDR is itself an interesting question.

> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> I think Adair said he has?
>
> Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know.


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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Fred Goldstein]

On 6/19/2016 10:09 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote:
> I believe that Patrick has said as much (not SDR) on the ISP Radio interview 
> with him back in April.  Would certainly go a ways to explaining how they 
> managed to offer it for basically 1/3rd the price of competing gear.

I only know what's public including what was said on the very good WISP 
Brothers interview from WISPAmerica. What I got from that is that 
Baicells uses Qualcomm chips. So just as Ubiquiti used Atheros chips to 
make decent cheap radios, Baicells uses Qualcomm's chips rather than 
building everything from scratch. I'm not sure if this applies to all of 
their eNBs or just the little one, though. And whether the chip counts 
as SDR is itself an interesting question.

> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> I think Adair said he has?
>
> Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know.


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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

What is Baicells UE default MTU?

I am not sure if all of the Telrad devices on the network (Compact & Breezeway) 
properly support jumbo frames.  I can't remember which device it was -- I 
*think* it was the Breezeway -- but there was one I remember testing and found 
a hard MTU limit on (IIRC, with the current 6.5 GA release, I think a 1496 MTU 
is forced on the PDN service interface VLAN).

Ah, yes, here we go:

eth1.13   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX  
  inet addr:NNN.NNN.NNN.NNN  Bcast:NNN.NNN.NNN.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1496  Metric:1

It makes sense to have a default MTU < 1500 on UEs since it is by no means 
guaranteed that the network itself will have the necessary headroom for 1500 
once all of the GTP overhead is accounted for.

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Hi,

Yes, the current Biacells (11db) UE when using a Telrad SIM card will connect 
to the Telrad eNB and Telrad core and work fine.
The only issue I have found is that I have to set the Biacells UE’s MTU setting 
down to 1400 for it to work correctly.

The latest firmware from Telrad was supposed to allow MTU of 1500 on the UE, 
but we have not been able to make that work yet.
I am going to send all the details off to Telrad on the MTU issue.  The current 
UE 7000 has a MTU of 1400 by default!

Will test the Biacells (19.5db) as soon as I get it on Monday.


Matt Carpenter




On Jun 19, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Jeremy Austin 
<jhaus...@gmail.com<mailto:jhaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Matthew Carpenter 
<mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:

The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We were 
not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a 
Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.

How about the reverse? A Telrad SIM in a Baicells UE, connecting to a Telrad 
ENB/EPC? I remember some discussion about WISPA about the attractiveness of a 
cheaper UE.

Then again, the next gen Telrad CPEs are ostensibly cheaper than the 7000s...

Thanks for all the compatibility testing, Amarillo -- great work.


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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

Okay, cool, so if one intermixes Baicells and Telrad on a network with their 
own core, one can unify the experience across the line for their customers; 
good.

The *eNB* is NATting?  With no option to turn off if using local breakout?  
(Not that I guess it matters if planning to use one's own core.)

I had not considered that since Baicells runs the core that their SIMs are 
pre-populated into that they likely don't give you the keys.  Makes sense.

Many thanks,

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

The Biacells eNB can be changed to send all customer traffic to the core, or 
you can send customer traffic to it's local Gateway.
We have not tried sending all the customer traffic from a Biacells eNB to our 
Telrad core, but it is something I want to test out.

The Biacells eNB has NAT turned on for customer traffic when using its local 
Gateway.

Currently Telrad does not support peeling off customer traffic and sending to 
the its local Gateway.. it all have to go to the Core.

The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We were 
not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a 
Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.



Matt Carpenter




On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do it, 
which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB.

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson 
> <nath...@fsr.com<mailto:nath...@fsr.com>> wrote:
>
> So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
> authentication.  Very cool.
>
> Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on 
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with 
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user 
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to 
> the EPC.
>
> However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user 
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a 
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a 
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from 
> the core for that to work.
>
> How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even 
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because 
> I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective 
> as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user 
> traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic 
> be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the 
> EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you wanted to, could you elect 
> to shut those off and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as 
> well?
>
> What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide those 
> as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
>
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Carpenter 
> [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net>]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs.
>
> Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
> With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
>
> UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
>
> Things to test:
> 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
> 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
> don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB 
> coming out soon to add VPLS)
> 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
> 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
> 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
>
> One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
> SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its 
> gateway and not to the core.
>
> Matthew Carpenter
> Amar

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

I believe that Patrick has said as much (not SDR) on the ISP Radio interview 
with him back in April.  Would certainly go a ways to explaining how they 
managed to offer it for basically 1/3rd the price of competing gear.

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt 
Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

I think Adair said he has?

Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know.

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:55, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, if you're already buying Telrad Compacts then you *probably* have a 
> Telrad core, so I don't see the appeal of hooking up Telrad eNB to Baicells 
> cloud core.
>
> But the idea of hooking up a Baicells eNB to a Telrad core is interesting, 
> considering the eNB price differential...use Compacts in areas where you are 
> counting on the future SDR roadmap/upgradeability and the extra oomph, and 
> Baicells for little micro-cell sites where you simply aren't going to have 
> high subscriber density or demand and couldn't have justified a Compact to 
> begin with.  Have you actually tried pointing Baicells eNB at a Breezeway?
>
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>
> The other way around works great though.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
>
> *gear spinning*
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
>
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>
>
> He said "real" good ;)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> As opposed to bad? :P.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>
>
> "Good"?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:
>
>
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:
>
> Ours*  brain fart.
>
> We are deploying in one o

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

>From my reading, it seems that this is called "local breakout".  And all it 
>means (I think) is that UEs roaming on a foreign network won't have their 
>traffic tunneled all the way back to their provider's PGW, but can instead 
>have it terminated on the foreign provider's PGW.  I'm sure that this 
>flexibility in PGW assignment could be used by vendors to do "truly local" IP 
>breakout right at the eNB (which I imagine could also be useful in other 
>scenarios; e.g., home femtocells), but it seems inescapable to me that this 
>means implementing the SGW/PGW parts of the EPC on the eNB itself.  It can't 
>just sluff off the IP traffic locally without still pushing and popping the 
>GTP-U encapsulation on the traffic (AFAIK).

If true, this would explain why Baicells has it and Telrad doesn't: it's not 
strictly required by the standard that an eNB offer this feature (which would 
require an at least partial embedded EPC on the eNB); all that is required is 
that a PGW other than the home network one can be chosen, which was not a 
feature of GPRS or UMTS.  Perhaps once Telrad has their eEPC working on the 
Compact, this could also become a possibility on Telrad as well (instead of 
using the eEPC for *everything*, send authentication/S1-MME to a Breezeway to 
handle but have the embedded PGW terminate the user traffic).

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt 
Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do it, 
which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB.

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
>
> So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
> authentication.  Very cool.
>
> Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on 
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with 
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user 
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to 
> the EPC.
>
> However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user 
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a 
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a 
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from 
> the core for that to work.
>
> How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even 
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because 
> I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective 
> as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user 
> traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic 
> be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the 
> EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you wanted to, could you elect 
> to shut those off and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as 
> well?
>
> What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide those 
> as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
>
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs.
>
> Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
> With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
>
> UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
>
> Things to test:
> 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
> 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
> don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB 
> coming out soon to add VPLS)
> 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
> 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
> 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
>
> One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
> SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its 
> gateway and not to the core.
>
> Matthew Carpenter
> Amarillo Wireless
> 806-316-5071
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
> <ada...@amari

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matthew Carpenter]

Hi,

Yes, the current Biacells (11db) UE when using a Telrad SIM card will connect 
to the Telrad eNB and Telrad core and work fine.
The only issue I have found is that I have to set the Biacells UE’s MTU setting 
down to 1400 for it to work correctly.

The latest firmware from Telrad was supposed to allow MTU of 1500 on the UE, 
but we have not been able to make that work yet. 
I am going to send all the details off to Telrad on the MTU issue.  The current 
UE 7000 has a MTU of 1400 by default!

Will test the Biacells (19.5db) as soon as I get it on Monday.


Matt Carpenter




> On Jun 19, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Jeremy Austin  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Matthew Carpenter 
> > 
> wrote:
> 
> The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We 
> were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
> A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a 
> Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.
> 
> How about the reverse? A Telrad SIM in a Baicells UE, connecting to a Telrad 
> ENB/EPC? I remember some discussion about WISPA about the attractiveness of a 
> cheaper UE.
> 
> Then again, the next gen Telrad CPEs are ostensibly cheaper than the 7000s...
> 
> Thanks for all the compatibility testing, Amarillo -- great work.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> (907) 803-5422
> jhaus...@gmail.com 
> 
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> Vertical Broadband, LLC
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Jeremy Austin]

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Matthew Carpenter <
mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

>
> The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We
> were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
> A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a
> Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.
>

How about the reverse? A Telrad SIM in a Baicells UE, connecting to a
Telrad ENB/EPC? I remember some discussion about WISPA about the
attractiveness of a cheaper UE.

Then again, the next gen Telrad CPEs are ostensibly cheaper than the
7000s...

Thanks for all the compatibility testing, Amarillo -- great work.


-- 
Jeremy Austin

(907) 895-2311
(907) 803-5422
jhaus...@gmail.com

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Vertical Broadband, LLC

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[mike . lyon]

Possible to NOT NAT customer traffic on BaiCell?

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 15:49, Matthew Carpenter 
> <mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
> 
> The Biacells eNB can be changed to send all customer traffic to the core, or 
> you can send customer traffic to it's local Gateway.
> We have not tried sending all the customer traffic from a Biacells eNB to our 
> Telrad core, but it is something I want to test out.
> 
> The Biacells eNB has NAT turned on for customer traffic when using its local 
> Gateway. 
> 
> Currently Telrad does not support peeling off customer traffic and sending to 
> the its local Gateway.. it all have to go to the Core.
> 
> The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We 
> were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
> A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a 
> Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.
> 
> 
> 
> Matt Carpenter
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do 
>> it, which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB.
>> 
>> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
>> > authentication.  Very cool.
>> >
>> > Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on 
>> > Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with 
>> > making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user 
>> > traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel 
>> > to the EPC.
>> >
>> > However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user 
>> > traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a 
>> > monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a 
>> > Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go 
>> > to/from the core for that to work.
>> >
>> > How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even 
>> > work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, 
>> > because I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's 
>> > perspective as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of 
>> > the user traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that 
>> > user traffic be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB 
>> > implement part of the EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you 
>> > wanted to, could you elect to shut those off and have it ship user traffic 
>> > off to an external EPC as well?
>> >
>> > What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide 
>> > those as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and 
>> > vice-versa?
>> >
>> > -- Nathan
>> > 
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
>> > Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>> >
>> > So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and 
>> > UEs.
>> >
>> > Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
>> > With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
>> >
>> > UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
>> >
>> > Things to test:
>> > 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
>> > 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
>> > don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB 
>> > coming out soon to add VPLS)
>> > 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
>> > 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
>> > 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
>> >
>> > One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only 
>> > send SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to 
>> > its gateway and not to the core.
>> >
>> > Matthew Carpenter
>> > Amarillo Wireless
>> > 806-316-5071
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matthew Carpenter]

The Biacells eNB can be changed to send all customer traffic to the core,
or you can send customer traffic to it's local Gateway.
We have not tried sending all the customer traffic from a Biacells eNB to
our Telrad core, but it is something I want to test out.

The Biacells eNB has NAT turned on for customer traffic when using its
local Gateway.

Currently Telrad does not support peeling off customer traffic and sending
to the its local Gateway.. it all have to go to the Core.

The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We
were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a
Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.



Matt Carpenter



On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do
> it, which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB.
>
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
> >
> > So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for
> authentication.  Very cool.
> >
> > Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel
> to the EPC.
> >
> > However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go
> to/from the core for that to work.
> >
> > How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it,
> because I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's
> perspective as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of
> the user traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that
> user traffic be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB
> implement part of the EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you
> wanted to, could you elect to shut those off and have it ship user traffic
> off to an external EPC as well?
> >
> > What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide
> those as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
> >
> > -- Nathan
> > 
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> >
> > So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and
> UEs.
> >
> > Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
> > With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
> >
> > UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
> >
> > Things to test:
> > 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
> > 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I
> don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB
> coming out soon to add VPLS)
> > 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
> > 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
> > 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
> >
> > One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only
> send SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its
> gateway and not to the core.
> >
> > Matthew Carpenter
> > Amarillo Wireless
> > 806-316-5071
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> >
> > You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
> wrote:
> > Eh. VPN router.
> >
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net
> <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> >
> > probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> >
>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

Yes, Baicell eNB to Telrad core works fine in our testing.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I think Adair said he has?
>
> Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know.
>
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:55, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, if you're already buying Telrad Compacts then you *probably* have
> a Telrad core, so I don't see the appeal of hooking up Telrad eNB to
> Baicells cloud core.
> >
> > But the idea of hooking up a Baicells eNB to a Telrad core is
> interesting, considering the eNB price differential...use Compacts in areas
> where you are counting on the future SDR roadmap/upgradeability and the
> extra oomph, and Baicells for little micro-cell sites where you simply
> aren't going to have high subscriber density or demand and couldn't have
> justified a Compact to begin with.  Have you actually tried pointing
> Baicells eNB at a Breezeway?
> >
> > -- Nathan
> > 
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> >
> > probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> >
> > The other way around works great though.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
> wrote:
> > Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
> the baicells EPC??
> >
> > *gear spinning*
> >
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net
> <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
> offs to other vendors.
> > for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> > Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
> wrote:
> > I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> >
> > Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> >
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > He said "real" good ;)
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> > To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> >
> > As opposed to bad? :P.
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Good"?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
> wrote:
> > True. It's good though. Real good.
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > Whats the pricing like?
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com
> <mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:
&g

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do it, 
which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
> 
> So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
> authentication.  Very cool.
> 
> Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on 
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with 
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user 
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to 
> the EPC.
> 
> However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user 
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a 
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a 
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from 
> the core for that to work.
> 
> How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even 
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because 
> I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective 
> as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user 
> traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic 
> be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the 
> EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you wanted to, could you elect 
> to shut those off and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as 
> well?
> 
> What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide those 
> as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs.
> 
> Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
> With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
> 
> UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
> 
> Things to test:
> 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
> 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
> don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB 
> coming out soon to add VPLS)
> 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
> 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
> 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
> 
> One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
> SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its 
> gateway and not to the core.
> 
> Matthew Carpenter
> Amarillo Wireless
> 806-316-5071
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Eh. VPN router.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> D

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

I think Adair said he has?

Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:55, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, if you're already buying Telrad Compacts then you *probably* have a 
> Telrad core, so I don't see the appeal of hooking up Telrad eNB to Baicells 
> cloud core.
> 
> But the idea of hooking up a Baicells eNB to a Telrad core is interesting, 
> considering the eNB price differential...use Compacts in areas where you are 
> counting on the future SDR roadmap/upgradeability and the extra oomph, and 
> Baicells for little micro-cell sites where you simply aren't going to have 
> high subscriber density or demand and couldn't have justified a Compact to 
> begin with.  Have you actually tried pointing Baicells eNB at a Breezeway?
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> He said "real" good ;)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>>
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
authentication.  Very cool.

Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on Telrad), 
but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with making that 
work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user traffic.  In the 
Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to the EPC.

However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user traffic 
to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a monkey wrench 
into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a Telrad UE and a 
Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from the core for that 
to work.

How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even work?? 
I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because I think 
it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective as well 
as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user traffic to the 
cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic be tunneled via 
GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the EPC (likely the 
SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you wanted to, could you elect to shut those off 
and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as well?

What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide those as 
well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs.

Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.

UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.

Things to test:
1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I don't 
believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB coming out 
soon to add VPLS)
3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.

One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its gateway 
and not to the core.

Matthew Carpenter
Amarillo Wireless
806-316-5071




On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:

You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Eh. VPN router.

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult.

The other way around works great though.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

*gear spinning*

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors.
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
I've said too much. I haven't said enough.

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


He said "real" good ;)

- Original Message -
From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

As opposed to bad? :P.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

You can run your own EPC. It's a take your pick!!!

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:47, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
> 
> To the second point, Azure is supposed to be good stuff.  But to the first, 
> if your users can't authenticate...
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:03 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, 
> <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> He said "real" good ;)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>>
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't ha

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

Yeah, if you're already buying Telrad Compacts then you *probably* have a 
Telrad core, so I don't see the appeal of hooking up Telrad eNB to Baicells 
cloud core.

But the idea of hooking up a Baicells eNB to a Telrad core is interesting, 
considering the eNB price differential...use Compacts in areas where you are 
counting on the future SDR roadmap/upgradeability and the extra oomph, and 
Baicells for little micro-cell sites where you simply aren't going to have high 
subscriber density or demand and couldn't have justified a Compact to begin 
with.  Have you actually tried pointing Baicells eNB at a Breezeway?

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult.

The other way around works great though.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

*gear spinning*

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors.
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
I've said too much. I haven't said enough.

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


He said "real" good ;)

- Original Message -
From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

As opposed to bad? :P.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
True. It's good though. Real good.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
<ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Whats the pricing like?

On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:

Ours*  brain fart.

We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>>
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting one 
I guess.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message ----
From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>>
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?


I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.

On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
<mfran...@jmfsolutions.net<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote:
By: Douglas Adams
"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he 
had achie

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Mike Hammett]

They do have more zones in the US than Amazon. I'm not sure how Google or 
others stack up. 

- Original Message -

From: "Nathan Anderson" <nath...@fsr.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:47:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

To the second point, Azure is supposed to be good stuff. But to the first, if 
your users can't authenticate... 

-- Nathan 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:03 AM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be. 
They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy . 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, 
<mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> wrote: 
So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down? 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: 

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult. 

The other way around works great though. 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote: 
Since LTE is a standard I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC?? 

*gear spinning* 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: 

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors. 
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc. 
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing. 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: 

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing. I asked last week. 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote: 
I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote: 


He said "real" good ;) 

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

As opposed to bad? :P. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: 


"Good"? 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote: 
True. It's good though. Real good. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
<ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote: 


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one. 

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
wrote: 
Whats the pricing like? 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote: 

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/ 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote: 

Ours* brain fart. 

We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing. 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 

---- Original message ---- 
From: Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> 
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though. Only getting one I 
guess. 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 

 Original message  
From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> 
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deplo

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

To the second point, Azure is supposed to be good stuff.  But to the first, if 
your users can't authenticate...

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:03 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, 
<mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?

On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult.

The other way around works great though.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

*gear spinning*

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors.
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
I've said too much. I haven't said enough.

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


He said "real" good ;)

- Original Message -
From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

As opposed to bad? :P.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
True. It's good though. Real good.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
<ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Whats the pricing like?

On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:

Ours*  brain fart.

We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message ----
From: Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>>
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting one 
I guess.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

---- Original message 
From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>>
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?


I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.

On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
<mfran...@jmfsolutions.net<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote:
By: Douglas Adams
"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he 
had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins 
had

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matthew Carpenter]

So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs. 
Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup. With only one change it will 
connect and work with the Telrad core. 
UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs. 
Things to test:1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad 
eNB2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB coming 
out soon to add VPLS)3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?4. Does the Biacells 
UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?5. Do all this again with the 
new 19.5 dB Biscells UE. 
One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its gateway 
and not to the core. 
Matthew Carpenter
Amarillo Wireless
806-316-5071




On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:










You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
Eh. VPN router. 
On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult.
The other way around works great though.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??
*gear spinning*
On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors.for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.Also you'll pay per 
user per month to use their core unless you already have one. so look at the 
long term when pricing.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:


Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.


Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
wrote:
I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:








 
He said "real" good ;)
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Matt Hoppes 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's 
  deployed it?
  

  
  As opposed to bad? :P. 
  
On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
  wrote:


  



"Good"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 
937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
wrote:


  
  
  True. It's good though. Real good. 
  
On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:


  



We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys 
answer that one.
On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:


  
  
  Whats the pricing like?
  
  
On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
  wrote:


  


https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:



  
  Ours*  brain fart.
  

  We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
  another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of 
  testing.
  

  

  

  
  Sent from my Verizon, 
  Samsung Galaxy smartphone
  

  
   Original message 
  From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> 
      Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 
  To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 
  

  We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet 
  though.  Only getting one I guess.
  

  

  

  
  Sent from my Verizon, 
  Samsung Galaxy smartphone
  

  
   Original message 
  From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
   

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Eh. VPN router.
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>
> The other way around works great though.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
>> the baicells EPC??
>>
>> *gear spinning*
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
>> offs to other vendors.
>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>>>>
>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Good"?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
>>>>> one.
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: C

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>
> The other way around works great though.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
>> the baicells EPC??
>>
>> *gear spinning*
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
>> offs to other vendors.
>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>>>>
>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Good"?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
>>>>> one.
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Shouldn't be. No. That aside. You can run your own core if you like. 

Hosted cores are very common in the cellular world. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 13:01, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>> 
>> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
>> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>> 
>> The other way around works great though.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
>>> baicells EPC??
>>> 
>>> *gear spinning*
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>>> offs to other vendors.
>>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>&

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Eh. VPN router. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
>> baicells EPC??
>> 
>> *gear spinning*
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>> offs to other vendors.
>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>&

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[mike . lyon]

So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
>> baicells EPC??
>> 
>> *gear spinning*
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>> offs to other vendors.
>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Sam

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their
hosted core, it would be more difficult.

The other way around works great though.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
> the baicells EPC??
>
> *gear spinning*
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
> offs to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>>>
>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>
>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Good"?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
>>>> one.
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>
>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>
>>>>  Original message 
>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>
>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>
>>>>  Original message 
>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>
>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
>>>> today.
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

*gear spinning*

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>> 
>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>  
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>> 
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another 
>>>>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
offs to other vendors.
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
have one. so look at the long term when pricing.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>>
>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> He said "real" good ;)
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> "Good"?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>
>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in
>>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>> ---- Original message ----
>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>
>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>>> getting one I guess.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>
>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
>>> today.
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
>>>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
>>>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
>>>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>>>
>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>
>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:

> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> He said "real" good ;)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> As opposed to bad? :P.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> "Good"?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>
>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Whats the pricing like?
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>
>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in
>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>> getting one I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
>> today.
>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
>>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
>>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
>>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>>
>>> John Michael Francis II
>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>> 251-517-5069
>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well
>>>> documented.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>
>>>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> He said "real" good ;)
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P. 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> 
>> "Good"?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in 
>>>>>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>>>>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>>>>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>>>>>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>>>>>>> reason."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

He said "real" good ;)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Matt Hoppes 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?


  As opposed to bad? :P. 

  On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:


"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
wrote:

  True. It's good though. Real good. 

  On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
one.

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Whats the pricing like?

  On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:


https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:


  Ours*  brain fart.


  We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.






  Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


   Original message 
  From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> 
  Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 
      To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


  We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  
Only getting one I guess.






  Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


   Original message 
  From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
  Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
      To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


  I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the 
gear today.

  On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
<mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:

  By: Douglas Adams 

  "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent 
than dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a 
good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far 
more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason." 


John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly Technologies
Internet - Voip - Cloud
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com


On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
<mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:

We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan 
on beginning
deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing 
a mix-use
test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be 
well documented.

Best regards,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly Technologies
Internet - Voip - Cloud
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com


On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> I believe the canary would say people have deployed but 
can not speak
> yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will 
forth come very
> soon.
>
> On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear 
deployed?  Care
>> to comment on/off list?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
   

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Who said solid?  I said 8 miles NLOS. People assumed. Small forest somewhere in 
the path at 8 miles. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:43, Ian Fraser <ian_fra...@gozoom.ca> wrote:
> 
> Please Clarify what "8 miles NLOS means".  You can't do 8 miles of solid 
> foliage on 900M forget about 5Ghz there is simply no way that you have 8 
> solid miles of foliage and are getting a signal on 5Gig.
> 
>> On 6/18/2016 2:11 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If assume Bai 
>> will do just as well but modulate much better. 
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power 
>>> 
>>> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Adair Winter 
>>> <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad 
>>> BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>> But that tree penetration do!
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer 
>>>>>>>>>>> that one.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Ian Fraser]

Please Clarify what "8 miles NLOS means".  You can't do 8 miles of solid 
foliage on 900M forget about 5Ghz there is simply no way that you 
have 8 solid miles of foliage and are getting a signal on 5Gig.



On 6/18/2016 2:11 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If 
assume Bai will do just as well but modulate much better.


On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:



There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf of Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>>


*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>

Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the 
Telrad BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.


On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:


But that tree penetration do!

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes"
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

More than Ubiquiti?

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Relative terms :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes"
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

As opposed to bad? :P.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes"
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

True. It's good though. Real good.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann
<ch...@scsalaska.net <mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>>
wrote:


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the
baicells guys answer that one.

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com
<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Whats the pricing like?

On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
wrote:



https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek
<christ...@cybernet1.com
<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:


Ours*  brain fart.

We are deploying in one of our most
difficult nlos areas, and another in a
small town center so we'll have a variety
of testing.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Christian Palecek
<christ...@cybernet1.com
        <mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>>
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's
deployed it?

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have
a SU yet though.  Only getting one I guess.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Gala

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

I sure as hell am not getting 8 miles nlos.  Not even in 2 GHz.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 2:36 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> He's in PA, I can't imagine it's that different from Ohio really when it
> comes to the types of flora and fauna.
> On Jun 18, 2016 1:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Clearly our bushes are more impressive in Ohio.  We couldn't do 2 miles
>> nlos.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 18, 2016 2:12 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If assume
>>> Bai will do just as well but modulate much better.
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power
>>>
>>> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Adair Winter <
>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> 
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>
>>> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the
>>> Telrad BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But that tree penetration do!
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Reynolds]

He's in PA, I can't imagine it's that different from Ohio really when it
comes to the types of flora and fauna.
On Jun 18, 2016 1:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Clearly our bushes are more impressive in Ohio.  We couldn't do 2 miles
> nlos.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 18, 2016 2:12 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If assume
>> Bai will do just as well but modulate much better.
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power
>>
>> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Adair Winter <
>> ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the
>> Telrad BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> But that tree penetration do!
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Christian Palecek]

I wouldn't assume anything.


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> Date: 6/18/16  12:11 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: 
WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's 
deployed it? 
I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If assume Bai 
will do just as well but modulate much better. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> 
> There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power 
> 
> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad 
> BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> But that tree penetration do!
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

Clearly our bushes are more impressive in Ohio.  We couldn't do 2 miles
nlos.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 2:12 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:

> I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If assume
> Bai will do just as well but modulate much better.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power
>
> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the
> Telrad BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> But that tree penetration do!
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Relative terms :P
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Good"?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
>>>>> one.
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GM

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If assume Bai 
will do just as well but modulate much better. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> 
> There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power 
> 
> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad 
> BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> But that tree penetration do!
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com&

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Gino Villarini]

There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>>



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad BTS 
has until the Baicell has 4x4.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
But that tree penetration do!

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
More than Ubiquiti?

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Relative terms :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
As opposed to bad? :P.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
True. It's good though. Real good.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
<ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Whats the pricing like?

On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:

Ours*  brain fart.

We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message ----
From: Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>>
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting one 
I guess.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

---- Original message 
From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>>
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?


I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.

On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
<mfran...@jmfsolutions.net<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote:
By: Douglas Adams
"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he 
had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins 
had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, 
the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than 
man-for precisely the same reason."

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly Technologies
Internet - Voip - Cloud
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
<mfran...@jmfsolutions.net<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote:
We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
deployment next week. Will let you guys know

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Christian Palecek]

There is just so much more to nlos than signal level, want to rip out my hair 
sometimes.
I was surprised, just deployed a mimosa a5 for a customer's network replacing 
an m2 network and seem to be getting better signal levels through foliage with 
the mimosa.  
I have dug deep buy I think the gain on the c5 clients is quite a bit more but 
still a pleasant surprise.
One of our Bai Cells deployments is going to a town called pinesdale, so I'm 
interested to see how this goes.




Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> Date: 6/18/16  9:54 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA 
General List <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's 
deployed it? 
Just enabled the last week or two.
Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 11:52 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
wrote:
Is Telrad 4x4?  I know they talked about it but I thought they pulled it and 
were only doing 2x2?
Regardless. If you can get a -85 with Ubiquiti m5 I would expect slightly 
better with 3GHz, plus no noise, plus higher LTE sensitivity  and modulation. 
On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:25, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad BTS 
has until the Baicell has 4x4.
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
But that tree penetration do!
On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
wrote:
More than Ubiquiti?
On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

Relative terms :P
Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
wrote:
As opposed to bad? :P. 
On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

"Good"?
Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
wrote:
True. It's good though. Real good. 
On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:

We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
Whats the pricing like?
On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:

Ours*  brain fart.
We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com> Date: 6/17/16  7:02 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General 
List <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 
We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting one 
I guess.


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message ----From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
Date: 6/17/16  3:58 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 
I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:

  

  
  

  

  By: Douglas Adams




  "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent
than dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New
York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins had ever done
was muck about in the water having a good time. But
conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were
far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same
reason."

  



  John Michael Francis II

  JMF Solutions, Inc

  Wavefly Technologies

  Internet - Voip - Cloud

  251-517-5069

  http://jmfsolutions.net

  http://wavefly.com

  


On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:



  Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
  


  

  

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

Telrad's 4x4 is making it's way back. We just rolled the firmware out
across all of our base stations.
It'll be GA pretty quick. We say the typical 3-5db improvement even on our
NLOS customers.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Is Telrad 4x4?  I know they talked about it but I thought they pulled it
> and were only doing 2x2?
>
> Regardless. If you can get a -85 with Ubiquiti m5 I would expect slightly
> better with 3GHz, plus no noise, plus higher LTE sensitivity  and
> modulation.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:25, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the
> Telrad BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> But that tree penetration do!
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Relative terms :P
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Good"?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
>>>>> one.
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
>>>>> today.
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

Just enabled the last week or two.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 11:52 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:

> Is Telrad 4x4?  I know they talked about it but I thought they pulled it
> and were only doing 2x2?
>
> Regardless. If you can get a -85 with Ubiquiti m5 I would expect slightly
> better with 3GHz, plus no noise, plus higher LTE sensitivity  and
> modulation.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:25, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the
> Telrad BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> But that tree penetration do!
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Relative terms :P
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Good"?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
>>>>> one.
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
>>>>> today.
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
>>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Is Telrad 4x4?  I know they talked about it but I thought they pulled it and 
were only doing 2x2?

Regardless. If you can get a -85 with Ubiquiti m5 I would expect slightly 
better with 3GHz, plus no noise, plus higher LTE sensitivity  and modulation. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:25, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
> 
> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad 
> BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> But that tree penetration do!
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad
BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> But that tree penetration do!
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Relative terms :P
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Good"?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
>>>> one.
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>
>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>
>>>>  Original message 
>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>
>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>
>>>>  Original message 
>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>
>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
>>>> today.
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
>>>>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
>>>>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
>>>>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>>>>
>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your resu

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

But that tree penetration do!

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> More than Ubiquiti?
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Relative terms :P
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another 
>>>>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:

> More than Ubiquiti?
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Relative terms :P
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> "Good"?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>
>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in
>>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>
>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>>> getting one I guess.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>
>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
>>> today.
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
>>>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
>>>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
>>>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>>>
>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>
>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <
>>>> mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well
>>>>> documented.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>> JMF Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

More than Ubiquiti?

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Relative terms :P
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Good"?
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another 
>>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>>>>>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>>>>>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>>>>>>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>>>>>>>> reason."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your res

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

Relative terms :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:

> As opposed to bad? :P.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> "Good"?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>
>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Whats the pricing like?
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>
>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in
>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>> getting one I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
>> today.
>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
>>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
>>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
>>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>>
>>> John Michael Francis II
>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>> 251-517-5069
>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well
>>>> documented.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>
>>>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come
>>>> very
>>>> > soon.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?
>>>> Care
>>>> >> to comment on/off list?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Josh Luthman
>>>> >&

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

As opposed to bad? :P. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in 
>>>>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>> today.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>>>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>>>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>>>>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>>>>>> reason."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
>>>>>>> <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>>>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>>>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well 
>>>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:

> True. It's good though. Real good.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Whats the pricing like?
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ours*  brain fart.
>
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting
> one I guess.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> ---- Original message ----
> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
> today.
> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>
>> By: Douglas Adams
>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly Technologies
>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>>
>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> John Michael Francis II
>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>> 251-517-5069
>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>>> > soon.
>>> >
>>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?
>>> Care
>>> >> to comment on/off list?
>>> >>
>>> >> Josh Luthman
>>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>>> >> Suite 1337
>>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ___
>>> >> Wireless mailing list
>>> >> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>> >>
>>> > ___
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>>> > Wireless@wispa.org
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>>>
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>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

True. It's good though. Real good. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>> 
>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
>>> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>> ---- Original message ----
>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
>>> one I guess.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while 
>>>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good 
>>>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far 
>>>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>>> 
>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>>>>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>>>>>> > soon.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  
>>>>>> >> Care
>>>>>> >> to comment on/off list?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> >> Suite 1337
>>>>>> >>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Chris Ruschmann]

We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:

Whats the pricing like?

On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
wrote:

Ours*  brain fart.

We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting
one I guess.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:

> By: Douglas Adams
> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>
> John Michael Francis II
> JMF Solutions, Inc
> Wavefly Technologies
> Internet - Voip - Cloud
> 251-517-5069
> http://jmfsolutions.net
> http://wavefly.com
>
> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
> wrote:
>
>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly Technologies
>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>>
>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>> > soon.
>> >
>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
>> >> to comment on/off list?
>> >>
>> >> Josh Luthman
>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>> >> Suite 1337
>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ___
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>> >> Wireless@wispa.org
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>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[mike . lyon]

Whats the pricing like?

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ours*  brain fart.
>> 
>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
>> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>> 
>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
>> one I guess.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> 
>> ---- Original message 
>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>> 
>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while 
>>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good 
>>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far 
>>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>> 
>>> John Michael Francis II
>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>> 251-517-5069
>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>> http://wavefly.com
>>> 
>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>>>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>>>>> > soon.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
>>>>> >> to comment on/off list?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Josh Luthman
>>>>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> >> Suite 1337
>>>>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ___
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>>>>> >> Wireless@wispa.org
>>>>> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
> one I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>> 
>> By: Douglas Adams
>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because 
>> he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the 
>> dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But 
>> conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far 
>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>> 
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly Technologies
>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>> 
>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>>>> > soon.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
>>>> >> to comment on/off list?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Josh Luthman
>>>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> >> Suite 1337
>>>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ___
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>>>> >> Wireless@wispa.org
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>>>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Christian Palecek]

Ours*  brain fart.
We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com> Date: 6/17/16  7:02 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General 
List <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 
We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting one 
I guess.


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
Date: 6/17/16  3:58 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 
I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:

  

  
  

  

  By: Douglas Adams




  "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent
than dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New
York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins had ever done
was muck about in the water having a good time. But
conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were
far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same
reason."

  



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  JMF Solutions, Inc

  Wavefly Technologies

  Internet - Voip - Cloud

  251-517-5069

  http://jmfsolutions.net

  http://wavefly.com

  


On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:



  Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
  


  

  

  
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  Office: 937-552-2340

  Direct: 937-552-2343

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On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike
  Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
  wrote:

  We
received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on
beginning

deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a
mix-use

test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be
well documented.



Best regards,



John Michael Francis II

JMF Solutions, Inc

Wavefly Technologies

Internet - Voip - Cloud

251-517-5069

http://jmfsolutions.net

http://wavefly.com


  

On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> I believe the canary would say people have deployed
but can not speak

> yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details
will forth come very

> soon.

>

> On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have
this gear deployed?  Care

>> to comment on/off list?

>>

>> Josh Luthman

>> Office: 937-552-2340

>> Direct: 937-552-2343

>> 1100 Wayne St

>> Suite 1337

>> Troy, OH 45373

>>

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Christian Palecek]

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting one 
I guess.


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
Date: 6/17/16  3:58 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 
I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:

  

  
  

  

  By: Douglas Adams




  "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent
than dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New
York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins had ever done
was muck about in the water having a good time. But
conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were
far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same
reason."

  



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  JMF Solutions, Inc

  Wavefly Technologies

  Internet - Voip - Cloud

  251-517-5069

  http://jmfsolutions.net

  http://wavefly.com

  


On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:



  Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
  


  

  

  
  Josh Luthman

  Office: 937-552-2340

  Direct: 937-552-2343

  1100 Wayne St

  Suite 1337

  Troy, OH 45373
  



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike
  Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>
  wrote:

  We
received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on
beginning

deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a
mix-use

test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be
well documented.



Best regards,



John Michael Francis II

JMF Solutions, Inc

Wavefly Technologies

Internet - Voip - Cloud

251-517-5069

http://jmfsolutions.net

http://wavefly.com


  

On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> I believe the canary would say people have deployed
but can not speak

> yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details
will forth come very

> soon.

>

> On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have
this gear deployed?  Care

>> to comment on/off list?

>>

>> Josh Luthman

>> Office: 937-552-2340

>> Direct: 937-552-2343

>> 1100 Wayne St

>> Suite 1337

>> Troy, OH 45373

>>

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Chris Ruschmann]

I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis"  wrote:

> By: Douglas Adams
> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>
> John Michael Francis II
> JMF Solutions, Inc
> Wavefly Technologies
> Internet - Voip - Cloud
> 251-517-5069
> http://jmfsolutions.net
> http://wavefly.com
>
> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
> wrote:
>
>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly Technologies
>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>>
>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>> > soon.
>> >
>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
>> >> to comment on/off list?
>> >>
>> >> Josh Luthman
>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>> >> Suite 1337
>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Mike Francis]

By: Douglas Adams
"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
reason."



John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly Technologies
Internet - Voip - Cloud
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
> wrote:


We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well
documented.

Best regards,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly Technologies
Internet - Voip - Cloud
251-517-5069 
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not
speak
> yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth
come very
> soon.
>
> On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear
deployed?  Care
>> to comment on/off list?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
wrote:

> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>
> Best regards,
>
> John Michael Francis II
> JMF Solutions, Inc
> Wavefly Technologies
> Internet - Voip - Cloud
> 251-517-5069
> http://jmfsolutions.net
> http://wavefly.com
>
> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
> > soon.
> >
> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
> >> to comment on/off list?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Mike Francis]

We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning 
deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use 
test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.

Best regards,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly Technologies
Internet - Voip - Cloud
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
> yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
> soon.
>
> On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
>> to comment on/off list?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

...except for Adair?


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On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
> yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
> soon.
>
> On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
> > to comment on/off list?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak 
yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very 
soon.

On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
> to comment on/off list?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

I've been following your stuff on Facebook, I greatly appreciate it.  Just
looking for other input in case you were just a paid actor =)


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On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Baicell is only available in 3.65 at this point.
> We haven't pushed it yet but so far so good.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> I'm mostly concerned about 3.65 if that changes anything.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> And what freq they running it on?
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:26, Clay Stewart <
>>> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Same question.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
 to comment on/off list?

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[mike . lyon]

Anyone know what the price looks like? Better than telrad?

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:41, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> Baicell is only available in 3.65 at this point.
> We haven't pushed it yet but so far so good.
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> I'm mostly concerned about 3.65 if that changes anything.
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM,  wrote:
>>> And what freq they running it on?
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:26, Clay Stewart 
  wrote:
 
 Same question.
 
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
>  wrote:
> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care 
> to comment on/off list?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

Baicell is only available in 3.65 at this point.
We haven't pushed it yet but so far so good.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I'm mostly concerned about 3.65 if that changes anything.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM,  wrote:
>
>> And what freq they running it on?
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:26, Clay Stewart <
>> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:
>>
>> Same question.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
>>> to comment on/off list?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Justin Wilson]

Check out some of the WISP groups.  Guys like Josh Powell have deployed it.
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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> I'm mostly concerned about 3.65 if that changes anything.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM,  > wrote:
> And what freq they running it on?
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:26, Clay Stewart  > wrote:
> 
>> Same question.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care to 
>> comment on/off list?
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

I'm mostly concerned about 3.65 if that changes anything.


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On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM,  wrote:

> And what freq they running it on?
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:26, Clay Stewart <
> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:
>
> Same question.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
>> to comment on/off list?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[mike . lyon]

And what freq they running it on?

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:26, Clay Stewart 
>  wrote:
> 
> Same question.
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care to 
>> comment on/off list?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Clay Stewart]

Same question.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care to
> comment on/off list?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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