Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Scott Reed
Forbes, just be careful, here. ALL equipment exhibits some sort of goofiness when it hits its limit. If the processor can not handle the load, bad things happen. If it runs out of memory, it does goofy things. Whether it is an MT or Cisco, it will fail at some level of loading. The

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Mike Hammett
You're leaving Mikrotik, but... All of my bandwidth management is done at the tower and is performed by Mikrotik. The non-customer facing routers don't do anything but route, though will eventually adopt Butch's QoS I'm sure. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Mike Hammett
I think it feels like you're walking into the wolves' den because everyone else has such excellent experiences with Mikrotik routing. I can assure you that it's not the load alone that's making Mikrotik flake out. I'm not going to pretend I know your network size or capacity requirements,

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/15/2010 07:45 AM, MikeH wrote: I think it feels like you're walking into the wolves' den because everyone else has such excellent experiences with Mikrotik routing. I can assure you that it's not the load alone that's making Mikrotik flake out. I'm not going to pretend I know your

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Stuart Pierce
Well I really don't feel good saying TrafficXpress or whatever their latest incarnation is from Logisense, but see if that is something that you can use. -- Original Message -- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread support
NETEQ or PFSense On 10/15/2010 10:34 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Well I really don't feel good saying TrafficXpress or whatever their latest incarnation is from Logisense, but see if that is something that you can use. -- Original Message -- From:

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager In my

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Travis Johnson
Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support and attitude any longer... or his nazi licensing system. Travis Microserv On 10/15/2010 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread David E. Smith
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:36, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ I remember owning one of these, a long time ago. We had to pull it not because of any issues with the software, but because of (indirect) hardware

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Forbes Mercy
The response to my request has been overwhelming, this morning it was amazing, response after great response. Because of the strong insistence that Mikrotik is so great we are trying to make it work. Dennis helped a lot by setting up remote sys log using software we already have. We are

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Larry A Weidig
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Mark Nash
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager The response to my request has been overwhelming, this morning it was amazing, response after great response. Because of the strong insistence that Mikrotik is so great we are trying

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Ryan Ghering
I agree, when I first came to work for my current employer he had etinc bandwidth managers.. We ended up calling him the bandwidth nazi.. he was horrible to deal with and thought that everyone was stupid and treated you that way.. Ryan On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Travis Johnson

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
No Bandwidth Management for you.2 weeks! _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager Run... run far far away

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Dan Ferguson
We had an ETINC box as well, I second what Travis says. Except it was actually worse than Travis describes. Avoid at all costs. - Dan On 10/15/2010 8:47 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support and

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Glenn Kelley
I cannot imagine how someone can charge what this guy does for a basic front end to pf in bsd. You could hire someone to write something for much less ... amazing vyatta does bandwidth shaping in their paid product - but in my humble opinion - it is lacking big time. pfsense does it - as

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Hrm why doesn't Mikrotik work? On Oct 14, 2010 6:15 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Ryan Ghering
You want to base your network traffic on a windows based machine?? I wouldn't put the life of my network dependent on a windows box for ANY REASON... EVER.. Thats just suicide.. Why not just build a more stable x86 mikrotik router?? Our main mikrotik bridge for bandwidth management is a quad

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
more friendly windows type based unit Forbes, are you sure you are not jumping from the hot frying pan into the Fire ? :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/14/2010 6:15 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Forbes Mercy
Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a true geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our network of 700 over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't keep radios up long enough to make us routed along with the growth sprut we've had this year (we

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Forbes Mercy
Ask Butch, we have a kick-ass Bandwidth manager machine, it's no good when it disables it's ports or bridge randomly. NO traffic over the Internet should have the ability to shut down the OS, Mikrotik does, Ubiquiti doesn't, simple as that. On 10/14/2010 3:44 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: You

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Ryan Ghering
As I said myself windows is suicide.. If you want an easy to use solution for bandwidth management I'd check out a used packeteer from ebay first.. We origionally bought 3 45meg packetshaper 4500's for our network from ebay and they worked very well for over 5 years, however our billing system now

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Brad Belton
We used Packeteer prior to MikroTik for bandwidth management. Packeteer arguably makes one of if not the finest bandwidth manager availablebut you pay for it! I'd take a closer look at your MikoTik configurations and/or hardware before springing for a bunch of $10k+ Packeteers...Just my

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Ryan Ghering
I agree with you btw on the ubnt radios.. we LOVE them.. But we've also never used mikkrotik for ap's or BH's either.. Ryan On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: Ask Butch, we have a kick-ass Bandwidth manager machine, it's no good when it disables

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are running. I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000 Mikrotik customer radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy) and have NONE of the issues you describe. Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread David Williamson
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager Hi, You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are running. I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
I agree with Travis. Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis, you would do at the edge between you and your upstream. Your APs, backhauls and other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT router, Butch's

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Stuart Pierce
Over 50 and you get latency issues ? -- Original Message -- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:45:32 -0700 Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Jeremy Parr
Splendid idea there guy, replace Mikrotik with a Windows box. Gotta wonder I'd the problem is between the keyboard and the chair here. On 10/14/10, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
I believe he is looking for an easier interface. Not the Windows kernel on the hardware doing the job. On Oct 14, 2010 7:27 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Splendid idea there guy, replace Mikrotik with a Windows box. Gotta wonder I'd the problem is between the keyboard and the

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Forbes Mercy
Ya know I'd be a lot more patient for the smart a$$ comments if I didn't have to live through this, I've hired the best guys on this list to solve it and the only answer I get in the end is that shouldn't happen. I can be non-geek enough to know if I can't hire the fix it ain't gonna work.

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Forbes Mercy
I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is stumped, if I can't depend on it I don't want it. THEN I'll have time to route the network. I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load got to

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Sounds like you need to have someone come visit the network in person. There has to be a reasonable explination for what is going on your network, and i posit that no device you find is going to work right till that root cause is found. On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Forbes Mercy

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Dennis Burgess
On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: October 14, 2010 6:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Run smokeping and Dude. You need to find the issues or you may spend money needlessly. On Oct 14, 2010 7:57 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages,

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Forbes Mercy
Again not a true statement, $3000 for a visit by a network administrator to route us (already got the quote), $600 for a packeteer on eBay. Then we can route it ourselves because the network won't drop every day when a piece of crap router drops the ethernet port every time it sees traffic

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Forbes Mercy
Thanks Josh I'll try that Forbes On 10/14/2010 5:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Run smokeping and Dude. You need to find the issues or you may spend money needlessly. On Oct 14, 2010 7:57 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I also

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Since I do not have all the information you might be right. What I have read says you have a mikrotik router (all ethernet) that is dropping interfaces. Not sure how that relates to Ubnt gear since they are wireless, unless you mean a MT with wireless and not a x86 unit. I do not equate a wireless

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-14 Thread Mark Dueck
I know of some guys that are using SoftPerfect for small networks. I'm not sure how it scales or how the interface works. eg. if you can import rules or if you have to manually create all of them. If you simply want to limit bandwidth for each customer to their speed, MasterShapper will work.