Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
It's about $40k for up to 512 receivers, another $25k or so for up to 1024 receivers. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Hmm, Interesting. Any idea on costs? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
That's exactly what I'm looking at doing. A billing package that supports AAA through RADIUS should do this. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Another twist on this subject. My test neighborhood on this will be our entry into the metered broadband market. We are going to give everyone the same speed most likely 3 times faster than anything Comcast is doing. Plans will be tiered on transfer levels where they get a set transfer amount per level with each higher package level giving more allotted transfer and a decrease in overage costs per gig. The TV portion of it will not count on the bandwidth metering nor the phone services. The big question here is we need to actually meter the actual internet usage. What programs out allow this? We thought the MT user manager would work but it's not going to do what we need it to do. I did some searching and came up with very little useful information. Any ideas ? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more prodding about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that does wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels maybe? The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they would do. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen places I could use this if I can make a business case for it. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
We use Freeside for billing so importing the data won't be an issue. We need to not only accurately track the usage but allow customer access to a portal page that lets them monitor their usage as well. What would be even nicer than just telling them you have used X Gigs this month but a summary of their usage as well. Like summary of sites visited, where they have used most of their bandwidth etc... Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? That's exactly what I'm looking at doing. A billing package that supports AAA through RADIUS should do this. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Another twist on this subject. My test neighborhood on this will be our entry into the metered broadband market. We are going to give everyone the same speed most likely 3 times faster than anything Comcast is doing. Plans will be tiered on transfer levels where they get a set transfer amount per level with each higher package level giving more allotted transfer and a decrease in overage costs per gig. The TV portion of it will not count on the bandwidth metering nor the phone services. The big question here is we need to actually meter the actual internet usage. What programs out allow this? We thought the MT user manager would work but it's not going to do what we need it to do. I did some searching and came up with very little useful information. Any ideas ? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more prodding about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that does wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels maybe? The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they would do. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen places I could use this if I can make a business case for it. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet its a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of subscribers over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of rights of way etc. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
Contact Panaway and Calix. They have lots of TV options. Directv will let you do MTU systems. There should be a way to combine the two. FTTH systems with analog lasers can transport conventional CATV signals. Or become a Directv distributor. That is what do do for most of our areas. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of subscribers over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of rights of way etc. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
--- airCloud Communications Jerry Richardson 925-260-4119 Sent Mobile -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:13 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet its a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of subscribers over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of rights of way etc. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of subscribers over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of rights of way etc. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
We are only running fiber from the tower feed to the terminals then the homes. So we need a solution that works over fiber and I want to bill for TV services my self so I need to purchase a solution that bills me and I will them type situation. This way it will be trued triple play from one provider, us. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of subscribers over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of rights of way etc. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
I have seen systems that take the satellite feed, run it into cascaded multiswitches and the converts the output of the multiswitch to fiber for distribution. There is also an device that injects data and phone as well. I think the company is called OnePath. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? We are only running fiber from the tower feed to the terminals then the homes. So we need a solution that works over fiber and I want to bill for TV services my self so I need to purchase a solution that bills me and I will them type situation. This way it will be trued triple play from one provider, us. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
That's fine. There's a rack of DirecTV equipment, where the satellite dishes hook up to (I'd spent the extra $2k and spring for better dishes) and then it travels Ethernet (physical topology does not matter) to the receiver. There is a short list of approved switches that must be used however, something to do with the way they do IGMP. DirecTV does bill you and you can do whatever you want from there. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? We are only running fiber from the tower feed to the terminals then the homes. So we need a solution that works over fiber and I want to bill for TV services my self so I need to purchase a solution that bills me and I will them type situation. This way it will be trued triple play from one provider, us. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of subscribers over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of rights of way etc. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more prodding about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that does wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels maybe? The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they would do. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen places I could use this if I can make a business case for it. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
Hmm, Interesting. Any idea on costs? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate
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Another twist on this subject. My test neighborhood on this will be our entry into the metered broadband market. We are going to give everyone the same speed most likely 3 times faster than anything Comcast is doing. Plans will be tiered on transfer levels where they get a set transfer amount per level with each higher package level giving more allotted transfer and a decrease in overage costs per gig. The TV portion of it will not count on the bandwidth metering nor the phone services. The big question here is we need to actually meter the actual internet usage. What programs out allow this? We thought the MT user manager would work but it's not going to do what we need it to do. I did some searching and came up with very little useful information. Any ideas ? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more prodding about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that does wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels maybe? The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they would do. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen places I could use this if I can make a business case for it. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan
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I believe one would call that a road bore, it requires a road boring machine. --- On Wed, 8/20/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 1:41 AM Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=-= Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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a quick google search found a couple pics of a directional boring machine. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.plantec.com/Dir-bore.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.plantec.com/eng_photos.htmh=316w=374sz=25hl=enstart=10um=1tbnid=ojrHct_eJeyeeM:tbnh=103tbnw=122prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcable%2Bboring%2Bmachine%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DN4R%26sa%3DG Joe Miller wrote: I believe one would call that a road bore, it requires a road boring machine. --- On Wed, 8/20/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 1:41 AM Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=-= Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
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Directional boring is pretty much all that is done in an urban area anymore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_boring -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=-= Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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When Verizon FiOS was put into my neighborhood, they just used labor. They had 30 or so people on our street for a week digging everything up. From the right of way in front of the side walks, to the common area where the in -ground boxes were put, to the streets. The Comcast cable was run an inch or so below the ground and is visible in many areas. Verizon dug down about 3+ ft to lay their cable. So, while automated methods exists, Verizon didn't use them. Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=- Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
Directional bore rig. You should be able to find a utility contractor who has one. Pricing here in NY is about $10 foot which icludes the bore and placement of 1 1/2 HDPE pipe. Gotta be cheaper by you but still a lot of money Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:41:41 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=-= Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
You might be able to rent one of the pneumatic boring rigs at your local tool rental outlet. For shorter runs, you can also use a backhoe - Dig a trench on either side of the road/sidewalk and then use the hoe to push sections of rigid underneath the pavement. You just thread on another section to the tail end of the previous section if you go over 10'. We've done that to push conduit up to 30'. Chris Cooper Intelliwave LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Directional bore rig. You should be able to find a utility contractor who has one. Pricing here in NY is about $10 foot which icludes the bore and placement of 1 1/2 HDPE pipe. Gotta be cheaper by you but still a lot of money Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:41:41 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=-= Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
LOL, kinda like their commericals - they have crowds of hundreds of people everywhere. It's the network! -RickG On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Verizon FiOS was put into my neighborhood, they just used labor. They had 30 or so people on our street for a week digging everything up. From the right of way in front of the side walks, to the common area where the in -ground boxes were put, to the streets. The Comcast cable was run an inch or so below the ground and is visible in many areas. Verizon dug down about 3+ ft to lay their cable. So, while automated methods exists, Verizon didn't use them. Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=- Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=-= Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of subscribers over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of rights of way etc. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of subscribers over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of rights of way etc. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
Except for the fact that the fiber will deliver enough bandwidth for at least a decade or two and the WiMAX gear day 1 couldn't deliver enough bandwidth. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=-= Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
There is that. Mike Hammett wrote: Except for the fact that the fiber will deliver enough bandwidth for at least a decade or two and the WiMAX gear day 1 couldn't deliver enough bandwidth. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=-= Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
