Legally courts can and will regulate companies. It's been happening
for years! We tell them the required minimum wage, the maximum working
hours, we regulate overtime, we tell them to put wheelchair ramps in
front of their doors, we zone their buildings, we make them get
permits, we do health
Stuart Sherwood wrote:
Any such aberration of
'rights' that necessarily violates the legitimate rights of others is
destructive to our liberty.
True when the others are people. But we're discussing a scenario where
the other is a company, and that scenario has radically different
Jude Robinson wrote:
Only companies/institutions are required to comply with accessibility
legislation (in the UK, and US as far as I'm aware). Accessibility
legislation does not require individuals to comply with it, rightly so.
I thought individuals owned and worked in companies...
On 2/13/06, Duckworth, Nigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stuart Sherwood wrote:
I believe there is no right to access services.
Any such aberration of 'rights' that necessarily
violates the legitimate rights of others is
destructive to our liberty.
I agree. There is no such thing as the
Just a quick note:
Here in Brazil, some of the big cities have more than 10% of their
buses adapted to wheelchairs. it's not that hard.
See? it's always an excuse because they will spend money with
people who will not pay that bill.
spark
On 2/12/06, Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To
and they just fized that 'one' problem on target.com
http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2006_02.html#a000605
overnight. a few hours.
spark
On 2/12/06, Spark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a quick note:
Here in Brazil, some of the big cities have more than 10% of their
buses
some of the big cities have more than 10% of their buses adapted to
wheelchairs.
Well, that's a good *start*... But... It's still discrimination. How
would *you* like being told that you can only take one in ten buses?
Here's a bit more about this particular issue
I saw the Target Sued story over on Cnet (http://tinyurl.com/b3u29).
What was amazing to me was the response from a Mr Troy Gaddis in the
talkback section (bottom of above page under the title This is
Absurd. Here's a highlight:
Why do people with disibilites think they DESERVE compensation for
On 2/11/06, Paul Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I saw the Target Sued story over on Cnet (http://tinyurl.com/b3u29). What
was amazing to me was the response from a Mr Troy Gaddis in the talkback
section (bottom of above page under the title This is Absurd. Here's a
highlight:
Why do people
Christian Montoya wrote:
Sounds like he has no idea how simple it is to make a website
accessible. But that's not the big deal here. If you look at all the
comments at Cnet, you'll see that a lot of people agree with Mr.
Gaddis... which brings to light a bigger social problem behind the
fight
Far better to approach the problem by emsuggestingem/ that it's a
'good idea'
to do x and y because the resulting site can be visually identical but
more accessible.
Screaming and shouting and making money for lawyers is just fanaticism,
and
considerably discouraging. The answer, like
At which point does one's right to do as one chooses start stepping on
another one's right to access services?
I believe there is no right to access services. Any such aberration of
'rights' that necessarily violates the legitimate rights of others is
destructive to our liberty. The
On 2/12/06, Stuart Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At which point does one's right to do as one chooses start stepping on
another one's right to access services?
I believe there is no right to access services. Any such aberration of
'rights' that necessarily violates the legitimate
Designer wrote:
The objections
cited, such as the sarcastic suggestion that we sue the radio because
the deaf can't hear it, does actually make a valid point and highlights
the senseless extremes that one could go to.
The nature of radio itself is purely the transmission of audio signals.
Nic wrote:
At which point does one's right to do as one chooses start stepping on
another one's right to access services? Would we even *have* this
discussion if people being refused access to websites were black and the
refusal was because they are black?
I really don't see the point you are
There is no difference between refusing access to someone based on
physical/mental disability
and someone based on their race, culture, religion, etc. It's unnecessary
discrimination either way.
Lachlan, that was, actually, my point. Only people don't recognise that
refusing access to
Absalom Media wrote:
Amount of Javascript disabled based on various client profiles I've got:
My site: Less than 0.1%
Commercial music site: Less than 0.5%
Commercial / education health care site: Less than 0.7%
What methodology are you using to identify humans as opposed to search
engines
What methodology are you using to identify humans as opposed to search
engines and other robots?
-sorry this doesnt awnser your question and
maybe this its not worth mentioning-
Even hotmail.com doesnt work if javascript is disabled.
That says something i think.
Of course there is the search
On 09/02/06, Conyers, Dwayne, Mr [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While I believe accessibility is an important design issue, is there legal
precedent for suing someone for poor design? It seems a bit like suing
Mickey Dees for spilling hot coffee in the lap...
Yes, but spilling hot coffee in the
On Feb 10, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Rob Mientjes wrote:
On 09/02/06, Conyers, Dwayne, Mr [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: While I believe accessibility is an important design issue,
is there legal precedent for suing someone for poor design? It
seems a bit like suing Mickey Dees for spilling hot
Conyers, Dwayne, Mr
While I believe accessibility is an important design issue,
is there legal
precedent for suing someone for poor design?
Does the Ramada/Priceline debacle count?
http://news.com.com/Travel+sites+agree+to+changes+for+the+blind/2100-1038_3-5318568.html
P
Nic,
Whoops! I missed that subtle distinction between the ADA and the Rehab
Act. It's been a rough week. Slap me with a blink tag.
In any case, I really would like to see a Section 508 (or ADA) case here in
the States brought against a private company. The law itself needs a court
challenge
In the store itself they wouldn't see any better but would still pick out shirts, pants, etc. It is the alt tags that make the difference for their software to read a site. Without the alt tags the software doesn't tell them if it's a shirt or a wheelbarrow.
LauraOn 2/9/06, Leslie Riggs [EMAIL
Dennis Lapcewich wrote:
In any case, I really would like to see a Section 508 (or ADA) case here in
the States brought against a private company.
According to http://www.phillipsnizer.com/internetlib.htm, there has
been a Court challenge under the ADA and the private company won:
Access
This has the potential for making some positive improvements in the
commercial web sphere. Target is not blind to good design. Their new
prescription bottles have been hailed as one of the best designs of the last
decade (I think they were designed by a graduate student before Target
purchased
From: Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This has the potential for making some positive improvements in the
commercial web sphere. Target is not blind to good design. Their
new
prescription bottles have been hailed as one of the best designs of
the last
decade (I think they were designed by a
From: Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The only thing I don't understand is how on earth does a blind
person pick out items that rely on a photograph (clothes etc)...
If you go to Target's home page, you will find, in the left column
what appear to be headlines describing sale and
The only thing I don't understand is how on earth does a blind person
pick out items that rely on a photograph (clothes etc)...
If you go to Target's home page, you will find, in the left column
what appear to be headlines describing sale and special items. They
are images - and there is
Dennis, thanks for that link, an interesting opinion, and one that flies in
the face of several court cases throughout the US (in particular Florida a
few years ago)
The New York State Attorney General offered a legal opinion
that all web site originating within that state are subject
to
So I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind person even see to read?Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "Joseph R. B. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The only thing I don't understand is how on earth does a blind person pick out items that rely on a photograph (clothes
Alt text is read aloud be a screen
reader for those who have sight disabilities I believe.
Minh D. Tran wrote:
So
I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind person
even see to read?
Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From:
"Joseph R. B. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Minh D. Tran [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site
So I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind
person even see to read?
-
It's read
Blind Cal student sues Target. Suit charges retailer's Web site cannot
be used by the sightless.
... What I hope is that Target and other online merchants will realize
how important it is to reach 1.3 million people in this nation and the
growing baby-boomer population who will also be
So I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind person even
see to read?
Minh,
Apart from screen readers that others have mentioned, there are also devices
such as refreshable braille devices, which transfer text into braille:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/russweakley/58957885/
thanks Russruss - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind person even see to read?Minh,Apart from screen readers that others have mentioned, there are also devicessuch as refreshable braille devices, which transfer text into
As a blind web site designer who has his alt tag reading protion of his
screen reading software. I would say their should be both images and a text
description. I have come across many fully sighted (20/20 Vision( persons
that have difficulty with even the simplest images. I like to provide a
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
As a blind web site designer who has his alt tag reading protion of his
screen reading software. I would say their should be both images and a
text description. I have come across many fully sighted (20/20 Vision(
persons that have difficulty with even the
Patrick
which uses display:none and can't be shown
without javascript, among other things)
Most people have JAVAScript turned off, so I started to learn PHP.
Angus MacKinnon
MacKinnon Crest Saying
Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat
English - Fortune Assists The Daring
Web page
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
Most people have JAVAScript turned off,
According to what statistics? I think you'll find most people actually
have it turned on.
--
Lachlan Hunt
http://lachy.id.au/
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On 10/02/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
Most people have JAVAScript turned off,
According to what statistics? I think you'll find most people actually
have it turned on.
Indeed. I can report from some recent testing on the sites I work on
Lachlan and Matt
Thank you for the information. I should recheck. Do you have information
about International web users?
Angus MacKinnon
MacKinnon Crest Saying
Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat
English - Fortune Assists The Daring
Web page http://www.infoforce-services.com
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On 10/02/06, Angus at InfoForce Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lachlan and Matt
Thank you for the information. I should recheck. Do you have information
about International web users?
For the sites I referred to as having less than 0.1% of members with
Javascript turned off, the users are
matt andrews wrote:
On 10/02/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
Most people have JAVAScript turned off,
According to what statistics? I think you'll find most people actually
have it turned on.
Indeed. I can report from some recent testing on
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