Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Jackie I agree with you and think maybe I just didn't explain myself properly. A guy in high school who has made a site for his uncle and one for his soccer team is not going to be able to charge the same rate as someone who has been developing site professionally for a number of years. I

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mark Harwood
Could not agree more! End of the day validating a site is the least of you worries, unless that is what the client overall wants. To be honests i wouldnt even charge extra for a valid site, as in my eyes any true web developer should make sure it validates anyway, as it shows they know what

RE: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mike Pepper
To follow up on Jackie and Mark's comments, I adopt the What the market will bear rule. And, similarly, I spend nearly all my 'leisure' hours learning better, more efficient, more eloquent methods of both standards compliance and accessible site development. And I don't consider charging more. I

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Neerav wrote: My premise is that any sensible business person should try to differentiate from competitors by showing they have skills that no one else has, vast experience etc and justify charging more than the competition because of that As I see it, Web standards allows you to charge more

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mark Harwood
In a perfect world, but we always no when it comes to standards unless your keeping it simple i would never quote a hourly rate. Would rather go flat fee and get a even medium and make sure i get the job done, and keep the client happy and willing to come back... take

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Andy Budd
Mordechai Peller wrote: However, since development time is less, the cost to the client will be less. You say that as though the time savings are an undeniable fact. In my experience using CSS increases the initial template build and testing time but decreases the time taken to develop

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andy Budd wrote: You say that as though the time savings are an undeniable fact. In my experience using CSS increases the initial template build and testing time but decreases the time taken to develop individual pages. As such, the time savings only really start to manifest themselves on

RE: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
*Nods approvingly* Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk You say that as though the time savings are an undeniable fact. In my experience using CSS increases the initial template build and testing time but

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-05-31 Thread Nan Zhong
Hello, Well I have. I'm still a high school student and therefore have no real qualifications other than experience. However people have seen my work and still come to me for design jobs. I charge less (again due to qualifications) but one of the main reasons people still contact me for design

RE: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-05-31 Thread Luke Moulton
Our web agency has been promoting the versatility of sites built to web standards instead of the our sites validate or the you could be threatened with legal action one day argument. Telling clients that their site will reach a larger audience, be forward compatible, or can be viewed better on

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-05-31 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
was the significant factor, have you seen my site? www.t94xr.net.nz Camz - Original Message - From: Nan Zhong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more? Hello, Well I have. I'm still a high school

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-05-31 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
www.MACCAWS.org Thats a good reason to produce standards compliant websites. I recently had one job which the coding was easy, the actual complexity of the detail which was so high it was just a to big a job for me to do :( But the person who offered me the job, saw my site and emailed me. What

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-05-31 Thread Justin French
On 01/06/2004, at 11:46 AM, Neerav wrote: So has any member of the WSG done that, justifying charging $X more than eg: the design agency down the road which makes webpages by putting sliced photoshop images into tables by saying something along the lines of I design to Web Standards and can

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-05-31 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Guys This is a service industry, provide cost based on how much the will cost you to do (i.e. long the work takes you to do). Implementing standards may save you time or add extra development time. For example I feel that CSS based design takes less time and as such should cost less that a

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-05-31 Thread Jackie Reid
mark said: For example I feel that CSS based design takes less time and as such should cost less that a design that has font tags hidden graphics everywhere.(etc etc) Mark... my accountant would have you marched straight to the nearest wall and shot for saying that. Why on earth should we