I think this is an interesting point. We moved to using CSS based
layouts almost 2 years ago now. At first it was a struggle to get the
designers to break out of using spacer GIFs and tables, 6 months in and
they couldn't face going back to work on table based sites.
We have found that the use
On 4/11/05 10:39 PM tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
In my web design site, I do brag about web standards and that I care, but
when I talk to potential clients (so far only two), I didn't even mention
it; they didn't ask either even though they have visited my site. To me, web
standards
Clients, as I'm sure you are aware, are always more than interested in
dollars (or the unit of currency they prefer :) )
Why not promote the benefits of designing to standards as a way to
increase the accessibility and usability of a site? The more usable and
accessible a site is, the greater
ALA: Greg Kise - CSS Talking Points: Selling Clients on Web Standards
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/csstalking/
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I really like Bruce Lawson. and as a bonus I found that his Zen Garden
is being hosted again, by a benefactor (he had, as he puts it, a
liquidity crises).
http://www.tastydirt.com/zen/zengarden.htm
If you haven't seen this, you gotta look!
Donna
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
tee wrote:
... For us who
I have never come across a designer who says I'll throw the page
together any way I can as a quick and dirty job. Mind you looking at
some of the results from designers I'm sure that is what they have done.
If you simply state that you design using web standards as one of your
fundamental
On 12 Apr 2005, at 12:35 PM, info wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going to make a presentation to art students on an introduction to
web design and would like some advice (besides how to deal with the
butterfiles in the stomach).
Butterfiles. I love it. Is that a code in-joke?
Seriously, the other answerers
On 12 Apr 2005, at 3:39 PM, tee wrote:
What is the incentive for us to tell potential clients that web
standards is
important and how many people in this group successfully using web
standards
as selling point for their web design service. Do you increase your
ballpark
as a result?
I find this
I've been meaning for some time to write an article about this for the W3C i18n
site but not yet found the time. I'll have to try harder.
To help, here are some brief suggestions, based on the assumptions that you are
linking to translations (rather than different country sites), and have
On 12 Apr 2005, at 04:59, Alan Trick wrote:
Hi, I'll sort of try this again, and hope the gods don't mail-bomb us
:P.
SVG isn't quite flash, because it's not proprietary technology, but
it's not terribly accesible either, because as far as I know, mozzilla
is the only browser to have any
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Javier
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:22 PM
To: List WSG
Subject: [WSG] IE problem
Hi
I used the classic two columns inside a container. Left column float to left
and the other to right side. IE 6, ignores the width size of left side and
show it bigger than
Phillips, Wendy wrote:
You might mean SIFR or Scalable Inman Flash Replacement
http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/08/sifr
Wendy Phillips
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On April 12, 2005 4:01 AM, Nick Gleitzman wrote:
I find this simple question works really well to couch Standards in
terms
that clients can understand:
'Do you want your site to work yesterday, or tomorrow?'
Guess what the answer is, 100% of the time.
You can elaborate a little by explaining
On Apr 12, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Jonathan Bloy wrote:
When I hire a professional I'm paying
them to use their knowledge and expertise to choose the best
standards
that are right for the job, not to ask me what techniques I think they
should use.
Along these lines, Do we really need to tell clients,
I think working with web standards is overhyped as 'selling point'. It
hardly has any selling points. For a developer it works faster (it does
for me) but most clients don't give a rats ass about what makes their site
work / look good. Very often they don't even care whether the site works
in
tee wrote:
Hi, I'd been doing web design on the side since last year. I believe in web
standards, but I am not sure about potential clients who want to pay me do
the job will believe it. For us who believed in web standards, it all sounds
very beautiful and convincing, but for companies who
Jonathan Bloy wrote:
I like this approach and it is pretty much the one I take. I should
mention that Web Design is more of a hobby for me. So, I've only had a
few clients of my own. But I wonder about the need to go into detail
with clients about web standards.
Hi,
I think you have to be able
I find that customers do not care about the standards, they just care that the end user can use it. It's like where the bun came from to the hot dog buyer.
On Apr 12, 2005 11:22 AM, Michael Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathan Bloy wrote: I like this approach and it is pretty much the one I
Can anyone out there help with some style
sheet woes? Im relatively new to css and Im trying to refit
our site to accessibility standards. The project is well under wayand
well behind schedule. Im trying to launch by the end of the
month. My current problem is getting the footer div to
unfortunately (from the developer's perspective), it's all
about spin and word-usage - which manytechies tend not to be very good
at.
Between developers, web standards and accessibility can be
called exactly that. However,with clients (or non-technical personnel),
their eyes glaze over at
All these point are great, but party for more experienced web designers.
Tell them please not to use imageready or wysiwyg in dw for making the
layout. This is the way that most of visual designers use to make web
sites. The have a different view of web design, for them it's just
visual
When I hire a professional I'm paying
them to use their knowledge and expertise ...
Along these lines, Do we really need to tell clients, or whoever, how we
make a Web page?
I agree, I don't want any latin things or the precise workflow :) when
going to surgery. The only thing I want to know,
Hi Richard, your answers are all very enlightened to me, especially that I
intend to provide bilingual web site services.
-use utf-8 as the page encoding if you can (you do Lachlan, I know)
However I have a bit of doubt on this though. Don't get me wrong, I am a
unicode supporter and have my
This is probably off topic for this list. So please reply to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been asked to write a business plan for the
creation of a web site and have no idea where to start. Could someone please
send me some pointers or better an actual business plan so I can see the
structure.
Over the last few days I have encountered some sites that use something
similar to the code below:
div id=masthead
a href=http://mysite.com;img src=img/spacer.gif
width=750 height=100 border=0 alt= //a
/div
In the code above the actual image that one wants to display on the page
in the
One more: http://nidahas.com/2005/04/08/marketing-web-standards/
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There are so many ways to do this but I would not use a spacer gif. One way
you could go is:
HTML
div id=masthead
a href=http://mysite.com;spanMy Site/span/a
/div
CSS
#masthead { width: 750px; height: 100px; background: blah... }
#masthead a { display: block; width: 750px; height: 100px; }
Thank you for prompt and detailed response!
#DSS#
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of russ - maxdesign
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:40 PM
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: Re: [WSG] Background image in the mast head...
There are so many
Russ:
As a newbie to CSS, I do not know what this does:
#masthead span { position: absolute; left: -500px; width: 500px; }
Would appreciate your explanation - thanks!
#DSS#
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There are so many ways to do this but I would not use a spacer gif. One
way you could go
Last night's Brisbane meeting was a roaring success.
Our new venue at the Library was great, with the only downside being no
internet connection. It seems Brisbane's standard is the leading edge
- an interstate visitor tells us we are far ahead of Melbourne in
catering. Better pick up the
from a cursory examination it seesm to position the top left corner of a span
(500px width) 500px to the left of the edge of the visible page. (thus making
the span invisible.)
In what context is it being used?
Paul
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OK, you have an image set in the div as a background, but you want it to
act, to all intents, like a link.
The first thing to do is make the link area the same size as the background
image. This is achieved by converting the a element to a block (display:
block) and then giving it a width and
For some reason this evening, every time I went to Google I was
redirected to http://www.google.com/xhtml, which serves up an XHTML
1.0 Mobile DOCTYPE pointing to
http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd, and uses a MIME-type
of 'application/xhtml+xml'.
I'm guessing from that DOCTYPE that
John Horner schrieb:
Not stupid at all, but I checked that and no, it's all happening
via HTTP from a web server, no local paths involved.
If it's not too much trouble, could we see an URL? Ingo
It'd be no trouble at all, but it's all happening inside our network,
so it's not possible. You'll
James Bennett wrote:
For some reason this evening, every time I went to Google I was
redirected to http://www.google.com/xhtml, which serves up an XHTML
1.0 Mobile DOCTYPE pointing to
Are you faking your user-agent? (eg, Chris Pederick's User-Agent
Switcher for Firefox)
I was stumped by the
On 4/12/05, Ben Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you faking your user-agent? (eg, Chris Pederick's User-Agent
Switcher for Firefox)
I'm not faking my user-agent, nor do I have any WML extensions. In
fact, I'm on a brand-new copy of Firefox (just installed Ubuntu Linux
on this computer) and
thank you to all who replied with wonderful advice!
The presentation I created[1] was recieved with much love and
appreciation. The questions that the students asked were along the
lines of:
1. What do you mean when you say that IE breaks the code?
-- you know the answer to that one ;)
2.
Zulema wrote:
ps: butterflies in my stomach means that my tummy gets grumbly as if
I'm
hungry but it's from being nervous; it's a common saying in the
States.
As far as it being an in-code joke? No, at least i don't think so :-p
Nick was referring to you use of 'butterfiles'. Butterflies is
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