Hello, reality check here.
Quoting the US and Australian available IT infrastructure, as a good
reason for building huge web pages, is wrong for at least three reasons:
1. Over 90% percent of the world population do not live there and do
not have dial-up access or other types of network access
Julián Landerreche schrieb:
Now, I have understood the solution.
I need to add a property to the a:hover rule.
a:hover {
border: none;
}
Voilà!
Now it works in IE6...
Weird, weird bug...
Yes, that's weird. Maybe this
http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/pseudocss.html#hoverdesc
will be of
Mugur Padurean wrote:
Hello, reality check here.
Quoting the US and Australian available IT infrastructure, as a good reason
for building huge web pages, is wrong for at least three reasons:
I surely didn't mean to be doing that, please see below.
1. Over 90% percent of the world population
On 7/26/05 12:12 AM SunUp [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
so, seriously folks, am i wrong to hope that a site will look right
in my browsing environment? should i get with the current trend and
go 1024+ ?
Not that everyone has one, but do you realize that there are monitors that
support 2560
On 26/7/05 4:18 PM, Mugur Padurean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And accessibility means access for everyone regardless of technology
availability or other kinds of disabilities.
I think web standards were meant to raise awareness first and give an impulse
to all of us to build a better web. A web
We use the stats here to guide our general design choices. In our case we
still consder that 800 x 600 is used by a significant number of users.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
(Use stats with caution)
Having said that, there will always be specific clients with a
Sunny,
I couldn't agree with you more. If a web designer believes they are
worth their salt then they should make their designs accessible on
devices when viewed at 800 x 600 pixels... it's a basic rule surely?
Cheers,
Blair
On 26/07/05, SunUp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
accessibility means
Hi Sunny,
I'll jump right to it and I will tell you NO you are not wrong to hope
that. Most sites can and should scale down to 800x600 resolution
without to much effort for their makers. Bad news is ... they wont
change easily, it's too convenient to work at large resolution: you
wont have to
I think I need a fresh eye on this ... I've run out of things to try. Can
anyone see why in IE, I have a 10px gap at the right of the container div,
but in Firefox it looks how it's supposed to.The image of Patty in the
masthead graphic should touch the right border, as should the horizontal
True, but how do you keep your site local on the web?
And what if my bussiness in Romania on dial-up finds your services in
Australia (aimed at local broadbanders) so attractive that wants to
do business with you? Hey, maybe this way i can get my business on the
broadband level but here in Romania
I couldn't agree with you more. If a web designer believes they are
worth their salt then they should make their designs accessible on
devices when viewed at 800 x 600 pixels... it's a basic rule surely?
Me too. I like my sites to work well on mobile phones and PDAs too - where
a screen as
Hi all
Quick question for you all:
i have this page that works fine in firefox/ safari
http://www2.websonic.ie/
but on IE 6 for windows it has the following 2 problems:
1. you can't click on the LH menu. something is above it. Z-index
problem i assume.
2. #mainpagecontent inherits the bgimage
Sunny wrote:
i build web sites. i'm over 40. i have 20/20 vision. i work (and play)
at 800x600. i LIKE it.
I build websites. I'm under 40. I have 20/20 vision. My monitor is
1440 x 900 pixels but I too like to surf at 800 pixels wide (although
usually taller than 600 pixels: just personal
quote
what feels seems different in this instance is that the
image is in the background so the image is not even necessary to see the
page and load the page.
/ qoute
Why put it there then ?
If it's not needed then make it go away ! And voila ... you just turned a broadband only into a everyone
On 26/7/05 7:07 PM, Mugur Padurean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
True, but how do you keep your site local on the web?
And what if my bussiness in Romania on dial-up finds your services in
Australia (aimed at local broadbanders) so attractive that wants to do
business with you? Hey, maybe this way
On 7/26/05, SunUp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i build web sites. i'm over 40. i have 20/20 vision. i work (and play)
at 800x600. i LIKE it.
I use a TabletPC to surf the web, on my lap, with a stylus, in
portrait mode - so, 768x1024 instead of the other way around. So
horizontally, that's narrower
It does not matter who is it you aimed for. I CAN ACCESS IT. And i
don't mean me Mugur, but me, another multi-national, with headquarters
in another part of the world with local to ISP broadband connection but
no broadband outside the country, witch happen to be common practice in
some countries
It's not starting to, it always has been.
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Sent: 26 July 2005 13:14
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] My life as an 800x600 leper (was: Site Check: Broadleaf)
I think
Mugur Padurean schrieb:
Would you sent your client to war (for big bucks) with slow, clumsy outdated
weapons from the 20th century?
We shouldn't use war metaphors in a thread that has all qualities of an
holy war.
After reading all possible relevant and irrelevant objections, I would
On 7/26/05, TN38 [Admin] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not starting to, it always has been.
What I meant was that more people are starting to see it that way.
Although way too many people still think accessible sites are for
blind people :)
--
Kay Smoljak
http://kay.smoljak.com/
quote
I think accessibility is starting to be as much about accommodating
*any* browsing situation as much as accommodating disabilities.
/ quote
I think it was from the very beginning. Accomodating dissabilities is where work was needed fast and results were needed badly.
In time accessibility
worse... some people think an accessible site is one that is online =)
On 27 Jul 2005, at 12:42 AM, Kay Smoljak wrote:
Although way too many people still think accessible sites are for
blind people :)
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On 7/26/05, Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I need a fresh eye on this ... I've run out of things to try. Can
anyone see why in IE, I have a 10px gap at the right of the container div,
but in Firefox it looks how it's supposed to.The image of Patty in the
masthead graphic
When I'm making a website for someone else, Ialways make sure there isn't a horizontal scrollbar at 800x600.And instead of just resizing my browser window, I'll actually flip my resolution (which is generally at 1150x860 or something like that) back down. Sinceviewing at low res doesn't just
I just want to display image with a shrto description below it.
And i want that combination to float.
What is the right semantic markup for this thing. IS it right to use this
p class=lfigure
img /
span/span
/p
or may be there is some kind of microformat for this situation?
-- glhf,akella.
Thanks Nils. I've got it fixed now.
You were close, but not exactly correct. It turned out it was not the image
itself, but the size of the div containing the image that was the culprit.
I needed to set the left and right margins to -10px to override the 10px
padding of the containing div.
G'day
I just want to display image with a shrto description below it.
And i want that combination to float.
What is the right semantic markup for this thing. IS it right to use this
p class=lfigure
img /
span/span
/p
Should be no need for the span if you do this:
.lfigure img {
Russ has a method for creating an image gallery from definition lists
at
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/definition/dl-image-
gallery.htm
kind regards
Terrence Wood.
On 27 Jul 2005, at 1:34 AM, akella wrote:
I just want to display image with a shrto description below it.
And i
so the perfect one would look like this
markup
p class=lfigureimg /Caption/p
CSS
.lfigure{
float:left;
text-align:center; /*to center description*/
}
.lfigure img{
display:block;
}On 7/26/05, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G'day I just want to display image with a shrto description below it.
G'day again
so the perfect one would look like this markup
p class=lfigureimg /Caption/p
CSS
.lfigure{
float:left;
text-align:center; /*to center description*/
}
.lfigure img{
display:block;
}
Nothing is perfect in this world :-) You'll need to give the
float a width but other than that it
I prefer the definition list approach.
There may be arguments if it is semantically proper, but I like to put the
image in the dt and the caption in the dd.
Ted
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On Behalf Of Terrence Wood
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Excuse me I am sick and tired of the junk mail that
you always send to me. Pliz stop it
--- Mugur Padurean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quote
I think accessibility is starting to be as much
about accommodating
*any* browsing situation as much as accommodating
disabilities.
/ quote
I think
You are in WSG ML
Please don't send this CRAP to the list.
Em 26/jul/2005, às 17:56, Alpha Mugari escreveu:
Excuse me I am sick and tired of the junk mail that
you always send to me. Pliz stop it
--- Mugur Padurean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quote
I think accessibility is starting to be as
Hi,
this is a doubt I have always when I'm going to use the br / tag.
Should it be an space after/before (or both) the tag or should I leave
no-spaces?
Examples:
1. The cat isbr /in the kitchen (no spaces between the tag and the words)
2. The cat is br /in the kitchen (one space before the
Rick Faaberg wrote Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:41:11 -0700:
SunUp wrote Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:12:38 +1000:
i build web sites. i'm over 40. i have 20/20 vision. i work (and play)
at 800x600. i LIKE it.
I like the highest resolution my equipment can provide, like the difference
between dot matrix
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am trying to get a simple colour switcher
happening and having no luck. Can someone please help me get mine fixed or
help with another simple one? Thank you.
My main style
Em 26/jul/2005, às 18:21, Julián Landerreche escreveu:
Hi,
this is a doubt I have always when I'm going to use the br / tag.
Should it be an space after/before (or both) the tag or should I leave
no-spaces?
Examples:
1. The cat isbr /in the kitchen (no spaces between the tag and the
I'm not the list monitor, but I would recommend anyone preparing to use blue
language think twice before hitting the send button.
There are many reasons to not place it on this mailing list.
For one, it can get the mailinglist banned by overzealous filtering
software.
Two, these messages
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.I have a problem with a site in Firefox for Windows that only appears upon
first loading the site. Refreshing the page or reloading the site clears the
problem completely and doesn't seem to replicate until a new browser session is
opened. I'm very
What i wanted to say was:
Please don't send this KIND OF EMAIL to this list
Em 26/jul/2005, às 18:44, Drake, Ted C. escreveu:
I'm not the list monitor, but I would recommend anyone preparing to
use blue
language think twice before hitting the send button.
There are many reasons to not place
Hello Antony!
The site http://www.trisalford.info/ works well with Safari in Mac OS
X (version 312)
Has the same problem usign Firefox for Mac OS X (lastest Night Build)
I think you should see this
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://
www.trisalford.info/
You should
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.My apologies, the url for the actual site is http://www.trisalford.info
Antony
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of AntonyG
Sent: Tue 26/07/2005 18:49
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Cc:
Subject: [WSG] Problem in Firefox
I did a quick look at it and it seems to be a float issue. I floated the
contentcontainer and it stretched to contain all of the elements. I wish I
had more time to do a better analysis. I would suggest looking at your
floats and seeing if you can clear them better.
Ted
-Original
I am also older, and LIKE 800 res.
I feel that to be standards acceptable, there is no reason why a site cannot
be made fluid, so it fits all resolutions.
I see s many sites either a narrow band in the middle at high res,
lately one on the left with a mile wide blank space on the right,
Hi folks
I was wondering if someone would be able to take a quick look over the
homepage I have started developing for a client:
http://www.spotlessdesign.com/documents/456789/
The page is failry consistent across the browsers I have viewed it on using
http://www.browsershots.org
The problem I
Good afternoon Sunny,
I operate a design shop in Dallas, Texas and I always make sure my sites
render properly in 800X600 because there is still a high percentage of
users setting their screen resolutions to 800X600.
I'm not willing to sacrifice or ignore that large audience, which could
have a
Hi All,
I run a standalone version of IE 5.5 as well as the 'proper' IE6, both
on WinXP.
I've only just found that if I put a background on the body and define
it as 'fixed' it works fine in the usual 'standards' browsers (FF, Opera
8, Mozilla), but not in 'standards' IE6. (No surprise
On 7/26/05, designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
So this means that support for background fixed works in 5.5, but was
dropped in 6, unless it's in quirks. A backward step if ever there was!
Can this be right? Or am I too tired . . .
Works perfectly for me in IE6 'standards' mode.
Can
Hi folks
I also forgot to add that I have a flicker in Ie6 on the background image of
the li (red tab)
I have seen several resources on this but the way I have cut up my tabs has
made this fiddlier than I would have expected.
Does anyone have any ideas on the best approach to non image flicker
anyone got any idea here? i'm lost!
On 26/07/05, Gavin Cooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all
Quick question for you all:
i have this page that works fine in firefox/ safari
http://www2.websonic.ie/
but on IE 6 for windows it has the following 2 problems:
1. you can't click on the
It's on-topic as a js question.
No guarantees but I think you need to link to both stylesheets in the
document head and give them the titles you use in your javascript. And
finally turn off the alternate stylesheet.
so the code should look something like:
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css
I think 2.
T.
On 27 Jul 2005, at 5:31 AM, Jorge Laranjo wrote:
2. The cat is br /in the kitchen (one space before the tag)
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On Jul 26, 2005, at 3:04 AM, Jeremy Keith wrote:
Clive Walker wrote:
We use the stats here to guide our general design choices.
I think that's missing the point. The goal is not to design for the
majority but to design for everybody.
It is often not a question of designing for the
On 7/27/05, Ben Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a more elegant solution to make this visible to 1024 but pushed
over to the right on 800 by 600 (I appreciate this is breaking usability
princinples)
Putting the ad banner *within* your page container div (holdingarea)
and adding a width
On 7/27/05, Julián Landerreche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. The cat isbr /in the kitchen (no spaces between the tag and the words)
2. The cat is br /in the kitchen (one space before the tag)
3. The cat isbr / in the kitchen (one space after the tag)
4. The cat is br / in the kitchen (one space
As an aside, I get the same behavior with Firefox/Linux.
AntonyG wrote:
My apologies, the url for the actual site is http://www.trisalford.info
Antony
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Cc:
If that were your reasoning do you put a space at the end (or start) of
every paragraph? I wouldn't think so - I think the space is unnecessary.
I personally always put a carriage-return in my code after a br /
eg. 5. The cat isbr /
in the kitchen
Not only does it make the code more readably,
Hi Gav,
I had a look around, and it could be the IE 6 Peekaboo bug:
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html
On 7/27/05, Gavin Cooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
anyone got any idea here? i'm lost!
On 26/07/05, Gavin Cooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all
Quick
I tested it with Fangs to see what a screen reader would probably say
and The cat isbr /in the kitchen came out as The cat is in the
kitchen.
Personally I don't leave a space before or after
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A sincere thank you to everyone who took the time and effort to
respond on this, on and off list.
I feel somewhat vindicated; there was certainly some unequivocal support.
There are also some excellent quotes to use next time I grumble to a
site about missing or obscured content.
In response to
On 27 Jul 2005, at 3:09 am, AntonyG wrote:
My apologies, the url for the actual site is http://www.trisalford.info
I can't see the problem (latest nightly build, OS X). I suspect some
insufficient clearing however, something the 1.0x builds suffer from,
at times.
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