On 17 Oct 2007, at 04:56, Nick Cowie wrote:
I was experimenting with HTML over flash, and while param
name=wmode
value=transparent / works great on Windows. The flash plugin
could not
get the order right for OsX or *nix, no matter what I tried (source
order,
z-index etc). It was purely
Nick I'm away from my Mac machine for a couple of weeks .. Do you think you
(or someone else with a mac) could do me a favour and have a look at the
page in question and tell me if the problem is fixed or not on your mac?
It's not all that critical for us, because Macs aren't very big
On 17 Oct 2007, at 08:01, Michael Kear wrote:
Nick I'm away from my Mac machine for a couple of weeks .. Do you
think you
(or someone else with a mac) could do me a favour and have a look
at the
page in question and tell me if the problem is fixed or not on your
mac?
I see the dropdown
Mike,
The drop-down menus drop down over the Flash for me in Safari 2.0.4
(on OS X v10.4.10), but not at all smoothly: the slide-down animation
appears to flicker (especially noticeable on the stock service one).
The flicker problem is an issue that happens a lot for Safari 2 users
(but
Michael
No problems with flash and the menu on my Mac OsX 10.4.9 with FF, Safari or
Opera
Other than issues above, menu typeface is tiny in both FF and Opera,
increasing font size to read them does do damage to the menus with FF, still
usable though.
Flickering is also visible for me with
On 17 Oct 2007, at 04:50, Chris Knowles wrote:
Kit Grose wrote:
Just a note:
Your function doesn't currently use the RegExp function for anything
useful (you might as well use indexOf). RegExp is the right way to do
it, though, so you can enforce word boundaries to match complete
classNames
Hi,
I'm trying to write a paper on the use of video on the web. This paper
might be used as reference on a web based organization, so I would like
it to be thorough but precise. I'm looking for fundamental references
on this subject. Could you point me to some of your bookmarks or other
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
Word boundaries aren't right either; for exmple, they will match a
hyphen, so matching on some-thing will match some-thing-else. As per the
HTML spec, class names are space-separated, so you need to match on
spaces and the beginning or end of the string.
of course,
Hi,
can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of encoding
a mailto: link? I want to make the email addresses on a site usable to
screen reader users, but don't want them harvested by spambots.
Javascripted solutions seem like they would create a headache for screen
readers,
Rick Lecoat
Is there a way out what seems, to my inexperienced eyes, like
a catch-22
situation?
Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the web page
end, would be my advice.
P
Patrick H. Lauke
Web Editor
Enterprise Development
Rick Lecoat wrote:
can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of encoding
a mailto: link? I want to make the email addresses on a site usable to
screen reader users, but don't want them harvested by spambots.
Javascripted solutions seem like they would create a headache
Rick Lecoat
Is there a way out what seems, to my inexperienced eyes, like
a catch-22
situation?
Patrick Lauke wrote:
Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the web
page end, would be my advice.
This is good advice and raises the question of whether theres
Hi!
Chris Knowles skrev:
maybe harvesters look for the ASCII value of the @ symbol and find
addresses still?
Some harvesters decodes the links, so this is not a solution to the spam
problem. The decoding is really trivial to perform in most programming
languages.
/anders
On 17 Oct 2007, at 13:55, Rick Lecoat wrote:
can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of
encoding
a mailto: link? I want to make the email addresses on a site usable to
screen reader users, but don't want them harvested by spambots.
I, long ago, gave up trying. Methods
On Oct 17, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Rick Lecoat wrote:
can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of
encoding
a mailto: link?
To answer a question w/ a question: I have started encoding email
address strings, but your question makes me wonder how accessible
this may be? How
On 17/10/07 (14:16) Patrick said:
Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the
web page end, would be my advice.
David said:
I, long ago, gave up trying. Methods are either highly ineffective,
or block out users you want as well as spam bots. I take the view
that
plasmo wrote:
Hi,
I am currently reviewing an area of an intranet, and getting a lot of
anecdotal comments such as all the intranets I've ever seen worked
like this.
To deal with this somewhat, I am taking a short quiz of people's
experiences with their current intranets.
If anyone here can
Why not simply display the email address as a simple mailto only when the
browser is a screen reader?
On 10/17/07, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 17/10/07 (14:16) Patrick said:
Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the
web page end, would be my advice.
On 18/10/07 (15:20) Chris said:
Well I guess now I really think about it you can't solve it as you could
append an email address to the DOM from an obfuscated javascript
function and that would likely solve the problem but it's not an
accessible solution. For screen readers you need to have the
Rick Lecoat wrote:
I'm surprised that there
isn't a workaround -- only because almost everything else that I thought
would be impossible some clever person has found a way to do.
Well I guess now I really think about it you can't solve it as you could
append an email address to the DOM from an
On 17/10/07 (15:33) Or said:
Why not simply display the email address as a simple mailto only when the
browser is a screen reader?
If you mean by CSS (display: none -- or similar -- for aural media
types), I'm not sure that would work because AFAIk spambots just look
through the source code of
Michael,
No problems with flash and the menu on my Mac OSX 10.4.10 with FF, and
Safari 419.x (Tiger version (not the new beta)). Ditto on the font being too
small on the drop-down menu (see the attachment); and with the movie taking
too long to download (you may want to either break the movie up
Because you can't detect when a screen reader is there or not...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Or Golan
Sent: 17 October 2007 15:33
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Why not simply
Rick Lecoat
To join with Andrew Maben, however, I'd be curious to know whether
spambots decode encoded entity text, eg:
'user'
becomes
'#117;#115;#101;#114;'
(ignore quote marks).
I assume that they can read them perfectly easily -- browsers
can, after
all -- but it'd
Rick Lecoat
If you are talking about actually hiding markup from certain agent
types, I'd certainly like to know your method.
Screen readers run on top of normal browsers like IE of Firefox, so
user-agent-wise you won't be able to really distinguish them. You *may* be able
to catch some
On 17 Oct 2007, at 13:47, Chris Knowles wrote:
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
Word boundaries aren't right either; for exmple, they will match a
hyphen, so matching on some-thing will match some-thing-else. As
per the
HTML spec, class names are space-separated, so you need to match on
spaces and
Hi all,
I've been lurking on this list for a bit and am now sending my first
post/question.
Having been looking for a client-side solution to sorting tabular data,
I came upon a phenomenal script by Stuart Langridge called 'sorttable' [1].
Easy to implement, seemingly stable in all Win/6+
On Oct 17, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote:
All that would take for a spambot is to do a two-pass: replace all
encoded entities, then scan the result for email-address-like
patterns. Trivial.
Thanks, Patrick - guess I'll abandon that effort...
Andrew
Or Golan wrote:
Why not simply display the email address as a simple
mailto only when the browser is a screen reader?
A screen reader attaches to a visual browser as an add-on thus it cannot be
detected. It's a shame as that would solve some problems. Text browsers can
be detected, but screen
On 17/10/07 (16:20) Patrick said:
Screen readers run on top of normal browsers like IE of Firefox
Ah, I did *not* know that -- I thought that they were a sort of self-
contained browser themselves. Thanks for that heads-up.
--
Rick Lecoat
Hi;
I'm recreating a table-based site that I did a few years back,
rebuilding it (hopefully) to web standards and making it as accessible
as I can. Currently it's one static page and the links largely don't go
anywhere, but I would appreciate feedback from the list before I proceed
with more
plasmo wrote:
Hi,
I am currently reviewing an area of an intranet, and getting a lot of
anecdotal comments such as all the intranets I've ever seen worked
like this.
To deal with this somewhat, I am taking a short quiz of people's
experiences with their current intranets.
If anyone here can
plasmo wrote:
To deal with this somewhat, I am taking a short quiz of people's
experiences with their current intranets.
Though I'm a self-employed consultant now, I've been involved with
a number of intranets dating back to one of the first (1994) cited
here:
Ray Leventhal wrote:
Hi all,
I've been lurking on this list for a bit and am now sending my first
post/question.
Having been looking for a client-side solution to sorting tabular data,
I came upon a phenomenal script by Stuart Langridge called 'sorttable' [1].
Easy to implement,
On 17 Oct 2007, at 17:29, Ray Leventhal wrote:
Are there known issues with DOM scripts and Win/FF2, or is there
something that I as a newbie to JS/DOM have overlooked?
So, the question then becomes, is there an accessible and
standards-valid way to make the script continue to execute?
Not
[2] seems to sort just fine for me in FF2win.
Just to muddy your waters.
--
E. Michael Brandt
www.divaHTML.com
divaPOP : standards-compliant popup windows
divaGPS : you-are-here menu highlighting
divaFAQ : FAQ pages with pizazz
www.valleywebdesigns.com/vwd_Vdw.asp
JustSo PictureWindow
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
On 17 Oct 2007, at 17:29, Ray Leventhal wrote:
Are there known issues with DOM scripts and Win/FF2, or is there
something that I as a newbie to JS/DOM have overlooked?
So, the question then becomes, is there an accessible and
standards-valid way to make the script
E Michael Brandt wrote:
[2] seems to sort just fine for me in FF2win.
Just to muddy your waters.
Hi Michael,
Yes, it works fine until one browses away and then back to it (not
'back', but to the specific URI). At that point, for me at least, the
columns aren't sortable.
Again, it may well
Rick Lecoat wrote:
Hi;
I'm recreating a table-based site that I did a few years back,
rebuilding it (hopefully) to web standards and making it as accessible
as I can. Currently it's one static page and the links largely don't go
anywhere, but I would appreciate feedback from the list before I
I am indeed able to reproduce the problem following your steps. FF2/win
reports a syntax error with line 1, the DTD. I'll be real interested to
see the explanation that someone comes up with. Won't be me though! Sorry.
--
E. Michael Brandt
www.divaHTML.com
divaPOP : standards-compliant
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
On 17 Oct 2007, at 13:47, Chris Knowles wrote:
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
Word boundaries aren't right either; for exmple, they will match a
hyphen, so matching on some-thing will match some-thing-else. As per the
HTML spec, class names are space-separated, so you need to
Thanks for your help Nick, and all the others who helped me with this.
This demo file is a rush job, done at a distance - the flash designer is a
relative of the client and lives in China, and doesn't understand any
English. Makes it difficult. So there are a number of design issues on
Gday Nate,
Thanks for your comments.
The reason for using wmode was to fix the problem that existed before. All
I wanted was to make sure the dhtml drop down menu came down on top of the
flash movie not underneath it.
Is that not the best way ?
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW,
Hello list. This is what I use in my Smarty templates:
a href=mailto:{ #email#|escape:hex }
{ #email#|escape:hexentity }
/a
With this, [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes:
a href=mailto:%6d%65%40%6d%65%2e%63%6f%6d;
The reason for using wmode was to fix the problem that existed
before. All I wanted was to make sure the dhtml drop down menu
came down on top of the flash movie not underneath it.
Is that not the best way ?
I believe he's referring more to your use of wmode = transparent
(rather than
My pet hate is people forcing pdfs to open in browser windows with
javascript!
A plain old ordinary link at least lets you right click and download - some
of us hate having the browser locked up for ages locked up waiting for the
slow pdf plugin to load.
I think anything that takes more than
This technique (as well as almost all others in this thread) is/has been
cracked by virtually every spam harvester.
Security by obfuscation is no security at all.
Just put in straightforward mailto: links pointing to a designated email
address. Then help your customers get a good spam filter
On 10/17/07, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of encoding
a mailto: link? I want to make the email addresses on a site usable to
screen reader users, but don't want them harvested by spambots.
Hi Rick,
You might be
Hi.
doing a couple of web projects for a couple of subjects doing in my web design
course.
one of the pages, needs either to link to a chat room, and need an offline
version, so that i can install it locally on my flash drive, and then link it
to my local files and folders and able to load
By including an icon (and a title attribute) that indicates that the pdf
will open in a new window, the knowledgeable user can easily right click
if she wishes to override and take some other action. That's how
divaPOP works. This seems to me to be the best of both worlds: novices
will see
Offline CMS and chat room software?
Rather than looking for something like that, why don't you setup a local
server (e.g Apache) and install CMS systems + chat rooms on it? That way
you'll have it 'locally'
Cheers.
On 10/18/07, marvin hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi.
doing a couple of
Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the
web page end, would be my advice.
not a solution ... we all know how hard it is for any filtering software to
determine whether something is spam or not...
...and any machine-readable version of an email address on a page
Why not simply display the email address as a simple mailto only when the
browser is a screen reader?
If you mean by CSS (display: none -- or similar -- for aural media
types), I'm not sure that would work because AFAIk spambots just look
through the source code of the page for mailto links.
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