Tim MacKay wrote:
Hello all,
Just looking for a little help. I'm creating a sort of 'point form'
list that goes a bit like this:
1. Pursuit of customer satisfaction
"We promise to pursue customer satisfaction as our main point of
customer focus...blah blah blah"
2.
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
> No, what I'm saying is that we should write semantic markup and hope that SR
> manufacturers fix their product asap.
> JAWS, to name one product, is a very expensive software. Freedomscientific
> should take care of its customers, it is not to the authors to lower the
> q
Unexpectedly there will be such things, Help make reference to this credible?
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> Absolutely it is. I'm rather surprised at how badly they handle DLs, but
almost zero percent of web developers use them even now (remember that
> standards-compliant designers represent perhaps 1% of the industry). Go
back just a few years and no one at all was using them.
> Is it not also the
> Thierry Koblentz wrote:
>
> > Isn't the responsibility of screen reader manufacturers to treat DLs
> for
> > what they are?
> >
> > Following this logic, we should be using basic table markup for
> layout
> > to give people using old visual browsers a better experience.
> >
> > If we cheat with
Absolutely it is. I'm rather surprised at how badly they handle DLs, but
almost zero percent of web developers use them even now (remember that
standards-compliant designers represent perhaps 1% of the industry). Go back
just a few years and no one at all was using them.
Is it not also the respon
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
> Isn't the responsibility of screen reader manufacturers to treat DLs for
> what they are?
>
> Following this logic, we should be using basic table markup for layout
> to give people using old visual browsers a better experience.
>
> If we cheat with the markup to pleas
> I don't think theres any rules about the length of definitions?
You are correct sir.
A definition list implies to me the expansion of a term through
definition. If anything that means the more text the better! I just
noticed that Tim's list includes numbering... This means there could
be some k
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Unless order is important, I'd vote for a Definition List too
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Hi Steve,
Isn't the responsibility of screen reader manufacturers to treat DLs for
what they are?
Following this logic, we should be using basic table markup for layout to
give people using old visual browsers a better experience.
If we cheat with the markup to please user agents what's the inc
e.g. "Web Standards Group (WSG)" the "WSG" wouldn't benefit from the
element.
No, I believe you only then need to use the acronym or abbr tag for the
first instance of it following where it appears in brackets on any one
page (ie at the start of a new page, you'd expand the acronym/abbrevi
Tim,
a definition list is called for. You can set it to be numbered in the
CSS.
You could also use headings and paragraphs (semantically it is the same
as we have a set of name-value pairs). You could also use a two column
table (name-value pairs).
cheers
Paul
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Steve Green wrote:
> I think that definition lists would be appropriate semantically but in
> the real world I don't know of any user agent that does anything useful
> with a definition list or any user group that derives any benefit from
> them. Certainly they make no sense when read with a screen
Hi all. I have a quick question re: practical use of the element.
If I have a piece of text that defines the word, then includes the
acronym immediately after in brackets, I assume there's no need/point
in using for the text in brackets?
e.g. "Web Standards Group (WSG)" the "WSG" wouldn't bene
I think that definition lists would be appropriate semantically but in the
real world I don't know of any user agent that does anything useful with a
definition list or any user group that derives any benefit from them.
Certainly they make no sense when read with a screen reader because you
cannot
Tim MacKay wrote:
> Hello all,
>My first guess would be an ordered list but the definitions underneath don’t
>really allow for
> it.
Why?
> A definition list doesn’t seem very appropriate either because of
> the wordiness of the explanations; to me a true definition list would
> only be a few w
Definition List for sure.
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On Jan 9, 2008 2:48 PM, Tim MacKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Just looking for a little help. I'm creating a sort of 'point form' list
> that goes a bit like this:
>
>
>
> 1. Pursuit of customer satisfaction
>
> "We promise to pursue customer sat
Hello all,
Just looking for a little help. I'm creating a sort of 'point form' list
that goes a bit like this:
1. Pursuit of customer satisfaction
"We promise to pursue customer satisfaction as our main point of customer
focus.blah blah blah.."
2. Pursuit of customer loyalt
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thanks to all who have responded to my cry for help. i think i have all the
information i need to install the link checker.
best,
dwain
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> Thierry Koblentz wrote:
>
> > DIVs are used for this, but do they *mean* this? If yes, then why
> does the following validate?
> >
>
> For the same reason that
>
>
>
> also validates.
You didn't quote an important part of my reply to Rimantas, who was saying:
"I thought DIV represents divi
On 8 Jan 2008, at 20:22, dwain wrote:
http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/
i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz. i run windoze.
how would i install it on a windoze box?
http://search.cpan.org/src/SCOP/W3C-LinkChecker-4.3/docs/
checklink.html#install (but see http://www.
winrar will open .tar and .gz files on windows: http://www.rarlab.com/
:)
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dwain wrote:
http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/
i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz. i run windoze. how
would i install it on a windoze box?
Uh, extract the contents of that file and read the directions? :-)
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help.
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On 1/8/08, Susan Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Hi Bob,
> I am interested in the excellent and well thought out work you have
> done with lists here. Intriguing!
Thanks
> However (and it's a serious question), in what way do you think that
> using lists is 'better' than using a simple 2 or 3 -celled table (+ a
> bit of CSS to style it, natura
>
> >
> > http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/
> >
>
> i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz. i run windoze. how would
> i install it on a windoze box?
>
> dwain
>
There's a free program for unzipping that type of file. Once the link
checker is unzipped it'll also work on wind
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
DIVs are used for this, but do they *mean* this? If yes, then why does the
following validate?
For the same reason that
also validates.
Because if we are talking "hierarchy" and semantics, I think
"something"
should "reveal" the relationship between these eleme
On 1/7/08, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> how about you download, install, and run it yourself?
>
> http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/
>
i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz. i run windoze. how would i
install it on a windoze box?
dwain
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Thierry and all,
I am interested in the excellent and well thought out work you have done
with lists here. Intriguing!
However (and it's a serious question), in what way do you think that
using lists is 'better' than using a simple 2 or 3 -celled table (+ a
bit of CSS to style it, naturally)
> > When using DIV, what translate that "hierarchy"?
>
>
>
>
> > Because if we are talking "hierarchy" and semantics, I think
> "something"
> > should "reveal" the relationship between these elements.
>
> "something" — like being in the same DIV?
And that's enough? Because in this cas
> When using DIV, what translate that "hierarchy"?
should "reveal" the relationship between these elements.
"something" — like being in the same DIV?
> In the above example, what are the 2 DIVs used as wrappers (instead of the
> OLs) if they are not just structural hacks?
Since when u
> > I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article:
> > http://tjkdesign.com/articles/float-less_css_layouts.asp
> >
> > Demo:
> > http://tjkdesign.com/articles/css-layout/
> > no_div_no_float_no_clear_no_hack_no
> > _joke.asp
>
> Nice write-up.
> One of the issues with this te
> Thierry wrote (in the linked article, not his post):
> > DIVs are meaningless and cannot represent the structure of a document
>
> Really?
> According to the HTML 3.2 spec, where they first appear:
> "DIV elements can be used to structure HTML documents as a hierarchy of
> divisions."
> http://w
> Geoff Pack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Thierry wrote (in the linked article, not his post):
> > > DIVs are meaningless and cannot represent the structure of a
> document
> >
> > Really?
> > According to the HTML 3.2 spec, where they first appear:
> > "DIV elements can be used to struc
> Al Sparber wrote:
> > The problem is with the standard. If one gets too hung up on semantic
> markup
> > then there is the risk of bending the logical or implied semantics of
> an
> > element to suit ones project. I submit that in the absence of a
> perfectly
> > specific semantically correct ele
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> Al Sparber
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