On 30/01/10 3:09 AM, Jason Grant wrote:
> Please have a read of my article and comment via email or on the blog
> itself.
>
> http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/accessibility-does-not-matter/
Let's see - how to put this? Ah:
"Bottom line? You are wrong."
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Bushidodeep wrote:
F,
As in the case of clients that rigidly adhere to the notion of pixel
perfection,
the design usually spirals into perfection on a single user-agent, with
complete
disregard of the possible thousands in circulation.
The jobs description just seemed one to avoid.
I agree
James Jeffery wrote:
Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does
this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that
grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's
the lower browsers that do that?
I've been out of the scene
Hargreaves, Michael wrote:
Here's another option to virtual PC which I use. I haven;t used Virtual
PC in some time so I can;t really give a good comparison.
But if it makes a difference Virtual box has no connection with Microsoft.
http://www.virtualbox.org/
I second VirtualBox (which has jus
daniel a. thornbury wrote:
Very useful!
...but I would love the PDF or ODT versions to be available so I can
print it up to stick onto the wall for quick-reference (and to make me
look a little smarter)...
What Daniel is trying to say, Lars, is that the links are 404ing.
matt andrews wrote:
2009/6/22 Mark Harris
The biggest cost I have seen in web design since 1996, when I started, is the
perceived need to make the web like the printed page. That, and the desire to
make it pixel-identical in multiple browsers.
Let the control go to the user, focus on
Henry Mencia wrote:
So you just have serif or sans serif in the font-family?
Pretty much, unless a client specifies otherwise (and I'll try to talk
them around).
The biggest cost I have seen in web design since 1996, when I started,
is the perceived need to make the web like the printed
Joshua Street wrote:
Adding to what Tim said,
It's possible that you're experiencing problems with Helvetica just
because of a typo (you had written Helvitica). Also, it does not come
with Windows Vista or Microsoft Office.
However, If your user has it installed and doesn't have Arial inst
proof
reading department, the source said..."
How not to run a redundancy process (hat tip to @plasmaegg and @OfficerAnni)
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>> On 31/03/2009, at 1:08 AM, Darren Lovelock wrote:
>>> Do a image screenshot using print screen and then convert that to PDF?
That would be my choice if size is not an issue - png if it is, though
those can be pretty big.
Pascal wrote
That results in an image sitting inside a PDF; the te
Glen Wallis wrote:
Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant
advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against
this? If so, they are not being enforced.
I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone
on this li
Henrik Madsen wrote:
Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
accessible eh? :)
What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
I use VirtualBox (www.virtualBox.org) to run virtual Win
mary-anne.nay...@medicareaustralia.gov.au wrote:
They are using them to facilitate the menu/header/footer ite,s across a
host of applications which sit on a range of differing servers using a rang
of differing technologies. I suggested SSI's but that is not possible due
to server configuration is
Marvin Hunkin wrote:
Hi.
well, got some suggestions, from a friend.
and now uploaded my latest files to http://drop.io/startrekcafe/
so, take a look, give me feedback, and any other suggestions, i might need,
or if my page, style sheet, and the nav links.css, looks fine and it looks
professiona
mb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive
rights to provide Australian net access to Microsoft!
Did he really? Do you have any cites for this?
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Dave Lane wrote:
I'm sorry, Mark, but that is not a winning strategy in business.
Dave, the business decision is not that of the web designer. While web
design may be his business, it's not the business of his client.
As a web developer, you *must* design for maintainability. Anything
else
r job. Some outfits
are still coming to grips with how they should be using the web and need
baby steps.
While it's a designer's job to help educate them, you can't drag them
kicking and screaming into something they're not ready for.
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Anthony wrote:
My sentiments exactly.
On 27/10/2008, at 3:46 PM, "Breton Slivka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm afraid I will have to throw up
my hands and give up on you. You are a lost cause. you cannot be
reached.
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Steve Green wrote:
Does anyone think that WCAG 2.0 will improve the user experience? Or do you
take my view that it only benefits developers, and that the user experience
will be worse in future?
This is my view as well.
Mark Harris
Robin Shi wrote:
Oh I did miss the point. You were talking about those small screens and the users really don't like scrolling. In that case, what if put the tabs on the bottom of the page?
No, I think his point was that the tabs would be at the top of the page
and the user would still have t
Paul McCann wrote:
I have a few worries though, currently both domains point to the english
language version of the site, this will be changed so cymruni goes to
the Welsh language side. Although the language is the same and its
possible for people to flip between the two languages is it possi
aboehmer wrote:
> It could contain a pile of subjects, depending on how far you want to
take it. Here just some ideas:
>
> HTML/CSS
> Multimedia (Video, Flash, Podcasts, etc)
> Basics in Programming (PHP/VB, etc)
> Usability
> Accessibility
> Search Engine Optimisation
> Basics in Graphic Design
Jermayn Parker wrote:
If the users are technical you would not bother designing for 800 x 600
screens
Hmmm? I wonder if that's strictly true, given the surge in ultralite
notebooks like the ASUS EEEPC. My new one ( a 900 - c'mon NZCouriers,
just deliver the thing!) will have 1024 as a defaul
Stuart Foulstone wrote:
Flaming is definitely off topic!
Flaming? Hardly. Robust discussion, definitely
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you to do it that says "98% of web gurus agree with me so yah boo sucks,
we're not doing it". Don't cloak it with usability or web standards.
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Rob Enslin wrote:
Hello WSG Group,
Our company have asked me to look into potential Wiki software for our
corporate community (intranet-style). The person driving the Wiki has
suggested using Jive's Clearspace (
http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/clearspace).
With web standards in mind:
1. H
Adam Martin wrote:
I think if people start think "UO" rather than "SEO" then the answers to
most questions become a lot clearer - UO is a term I coined just the
other day - UO = user optimisation.
How excellent! I'm sure we can build a whole consulting industry around
that!
;-)
cheers
atest incarnation at http://www.webstandards.govt.nz/),
I specified RTF as acceptable after much consultation with accessibility
advocates, so I think you'll be pretty safe specifying it.
But you're right - HTML is better.
Cheers
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Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Does that mean we should drop the ABBR element because IE can't handle it
properly?
Better to just drop IE
;-)
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Matthew Pennell wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Francisco Antunes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Can someone who know Zeldman let him know that the domain is expired:
http://www.alistapart.com/
He's asleep at the moment. :)
Do Happy Cog 'run' Magnolia as well? That lapsed too, I seem t
Korny Sietsma wrote:
I'd be interested in the thoughts of folks here. A simple template
would have the advantage of (possibly) working well in css editors and
tools; but there also seems to be some buzz around tools like Sass
that take some more repetition out of the CSS.
Is SASS a standard? N
Michael Persson wrote:
> I find it bad to have to rebuild my computer to have the opportunity
to have
> a deascent set of standard browsers. Does my clients have the same
setup??
>
Ummm, aren't you building sites for your client's customers to use? It's
the internet you have to match browsers
Michael Persson wrote:
I resinstalled my work computer some months ago and I had a technical
person to do this because we have a deal, Yes he installed all programs i
needed and also IE7 ONLY!!!. Stupid me didnt made him understand i need
IE6 to make websites for the most of the internet audience
kate wrote:
No disrespect to Sven but that must be the pits to take the very long learning
curve:
Create the Flash:
Then along comes 'A Visitor' and disable all your hard work..*doh
Sorry? You're blaming "A Visitor" for not being able to obtain the
information you are supposed to giving them?
Andrew Freedman wrote:
James Jeffery provided the following information on 30/04/2008 12:27 AM:
that will mean that users without CSS will get a bunch of images in a
list
You have users that block CSS??
I have never come across that. Can you give an instance as to where and
why you would ca
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would be pragmatic Intranet developers, who know that they only
need to worry about IE, with a specific version, on a specific version
of Windows, and know that their bonus depends not on quality but on
deadlines.
You're limiting the damage, Michael. What about al
James Jeffery wrote:
What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a feature thats
been put into IE and not Mozilla, or any other browser engine for
that matter. Thats like giving one user one thing and another user another.
"But- but- but- *everybody* uses Windows! Why would y
dwain wrote:
i apologize to the group for the telecommunications post. i thought that i
saw my congressional senator's address in the to: space.
humbly apologetic,
dwain
Understood
Good letter, though ;-)
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Sarah Simmonds wrote:
Michael: Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know we had a list
specifically for CMS's. I'll direct my query there :)
Cheers,
Sarah
On 3/14/08, Mark Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
With respect, last time I looked, the WSG-CMS list was over the
With respect, last time I looked, the WSG-CMS list was over there >
From the Guidelines:
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* Non-Web Standards related issues and support
* Discussion of server-side scripting beyond that directly involved
with Web Standards
* Discussion of content
tee wrote:
On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:36 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote:
Hi,
Search robots are essentially blind users.
Anybody knows about this?
I think what Kevin meant is that the googlebot takes no notice of
graphical navigation or information, much as a blind user is unable to
see it. The go
Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote:
I have Windows Vista Home Premium and use 96 DPI. I am told repeteated ly that my fonts
are to large. I have even tried "font-size: 80%;" in my CSS and still get told
the fonts are to large. I know you are not able to overide a person's preferences. can I
do
Steve Green wrote:
[lotsa good stuff snipped]
That's a superb answer, Steve! I have saved it and will memorize it to
quote at people who have nothing better to do than parrot vendor
propaganda! :-D
Cheers
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Karl Lurman wrote:
Train: there is a 6:30 pm overnight train,clean and comfortable, that
leaves from Bangkok's Hualomphong Station. You can buy a train + ferry
ticket package a day in advance(approx.800 baht) from travel agencies
on Kao San Rd. You will arrive at 6 am in Surat Thani and catch a
Peter Mount wrote:
I'm not a hardcore gamer so I can look at the Mac Mini or Macbook as
well. I'll see what my wallet says in a few months.
My Mini still kicks arse and it's only PPC! Get as much memory as it can
eat, and a big hard drive, if you're going to run virtual machines, as
they can
Get THEM
to change and you won't need to bemoan those chumps who use their stuff
"out of the box" instead of hiring us bespoke designers at our
outrageous rates.
Curmudgeonly,
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John Faulds wrote:
That's weird, it's working today. :?
Sounds like transient DNS proxy issues to me
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been saying for years that someone, sometime is going to be sued and
that's what it will take to make the corporates sit up and take notice.
I would have written a shorter post, but I ran out of time ;-)
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John Horner wrote:
There's one thing nobody has mentioned so far, which is Michelle Malkin
is what I personally would call an extreme right-winger. She's a regular
on Fox News, and she's been compared to Anne Coulter.
Yes I did, at 10:47am. Keep up ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Ma
Matthew Cruickshank wrote:
Karl Lurman wrote:
P.s A braille issue of Playboy - is it perverted that I think this is
a cool idea??!
You know this exists right?
http://www.banterist.com/archivefiles/000305.html [link is safe for work]
I'm frightened you knew that, or even thought to
Andrew Boyd wrote:
My suggestion is that rather than cars it should have something to do with cats saying
"Can I haz agsessibillitee?"
:)
I'm in ur CMS, changing ur links
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Julie Romanowski wrote:
I don't know how many of you are familiar with Michelle Malkin. She
posted about the Target lawsuit today, and although she is an
intelligent woman, she doesn't have a clue when it comes to web
accessibility.
Malkin doesn't have much of a clue, full stop. She is an Amer
Chris Wilson wrote:
> Better yet, since not everyone can see, lets require
> all publications to include a braille copy, all musical
> artists to provide a written transcript
> of ever performance. That would of course be madness...
>
No, not madness. Instead, it would be a good way to bring art t
ed".
And before someone picks on me for being a spelling-nazi, the words have
significantly different meanings, and it's important to use the right one.
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Richard Czeiger wrote:
Sorry Vlad - Ithink I'm with Lachlan on this one...
Docs can be edited or re-written but if they're obsolete, you don't need
to delete them - just don't link to them...
Actually, Lachlan said "no URI should be deleted" which everybody has
taken to mean "no document lef
Ah, usability - it's all good fun till someone gets sued.
While I'm sure that Craig and his team are operating with the best of
intentions, I agree with Andreas that different users will do things in
different ways.
I know I would not dare to put out a site with a "Certified Usable"
branding
Grant Bissett wrote:
Me.
I agree. Indeed, to coin a phrase, me too!
- mark
(who's not even Australian)
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sime wrote:
Which brings me back to my original question question. Rephrased, what
are the different situations in which you'd use HTML4 over XHTML1? So
far I've been led to believe (outside of this list) that XHTML is a step
forward.
Ah, but, grasshopper, to step backward from the precipice
Lea de Groot wrote:
~ why, yes, it has been an aggravating day! How did you guess? ;)
S'all right Lea - we still love you
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Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Mark Harris wrote:
but quality testing can only come from one
familiar with the tools.
If you allow me to coin a phrase: "quality testing can only come from
quality testers" (where, in case it doesn't translate too well from UK
parlance, the second
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
It's probably worth mentioning that unless you invest a considerable
amount of time becoming familiar with a screen reader, and use it just
as a *real* screen reader user uses it, any testing may lead you to the
wrong type of conclusion, or worse tempt you to "optimise"
SunUp wrote:
/me considers changing her name to sundown
You'll need a satin dress and a very private room, and watch yourself
around the back stairs ;-)
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Sandra Vassallo wrote:
Hi, interestingly, one of my testers who uses a screen reader recently
suggested taking the link off the logo in the head mast and the reasons
made sense
* the img alt text read 'logo' but the link went to home
* there was already a clear text link to home on the site, s
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Oh I can see an Austin WSG forming already!
And more powers to them ;-)
Welcome, Sharron
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Russ
I think you need to do some research on porn site best practices here
and report back to the list :)
Mike < never visited a porn site so wouldn't know
Yeah, right
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Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Mark Harris wrote:
Then you should try educating them, rather than 'managing' them
So then educated users set their preferred font size, and then (apart
from a few sites that do the right thing and don't go below 100%) the
rest of the web appears even
Hassan Schroeder wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
When your page respects the user's decision what size fonts are most
appropriate for him, your page needs no resizer, because the user won't
need to again resize just for having visited your page. He's presumably
already done that in his browser.
..
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Yes but Patrick,
If you provide the user with a Javascript pop-up window that they
right-click to display a pretty flash-based font-increasing app, the user
could increase the font as much as they like.
It's known as the 'Clydesdale Hack'.
L
Oh, Lisa Herrod came to town
o the list. Lisa was probably so busy
being usable, she forgot to validate her mail ;-)
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being high on their corporate radar. Doesn't mean we stop
trying, of course...
Oh, no way! It's refreshing to read here about the (potential)
ramifications of the code we create. Any honest discussions of web
standards needs to have regular doses of real-world effects of that code
russ - maxdesign wrote:
Russ
Miss Manors
I respectfully would like to point out that "Miss Manners" may be more
to the point. However, Russ, you are perfectly capable of representing
big houses, it that's what floats your boat ;-)
Cheers
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From Slashdot -
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/18/227225&from=rss
Microsoft Ends IE for Mac
Posted by Zonk on Sunday December 18, @05:47PM
RandomMacUser writes "A while ago, Microsoft stopped updating IE for
Mac, freezing it at version 5. But according to this Microsoft webpage
Lea de Groot wrote:
On 08/12/2005, at 12:54 PM, Paul Bennett wrote:
Trolling?
Well, it isn't the first thing that occurred to me!
I've often wondered why it is that Google doesn't validate.
I mean its not as if they were just a couple of errors, and we could
all just shake it off - they ar
Alex James wrote:
That would be a better discussion - why with so much evidence to the contrary, can the list not convince Donna to fight the PR agency?
I don't actually think it's a fight she wants to have or necessarily
should undertake. Donna didn't ask us to bolster her up; she asked u
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote:
That's the point. That's why they want to have someone build a site
for them that has a clue about this stuff. The day WILL come when
there is a governing body over the net. There WAS a day when housing
codes DID NOT exist and were being w
Lea de Groot wrote:
On 25/11/2005, at 9:29 PM, Mark Harris wrote:
Point out to your client that IE5.2 is so flakey it might as well be
in sanskrit and that and smart people using Macs will be using Safari
or Firefox ;-)
No, IE5.2 is the browser of choice for OS9 (and I assume lower
Web Man Walking wrote:
IE5.2/Mac: Slow as hell (over a minute). Definitely not a connection
issue
as all other browsers are fine. Something is causing IE5.2 to struggle when
rendering your code. Suggest they're using IE5.2/Mac to test unfortunately.
Thanks Jon. I thought I was going nuts.
With respect, I feel that the Britsios messages are inappropriate for
this list. Perhaps you might advise Mr Britsios that his postings are
unwelcome.
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Herrod, Lisa wrote:
I nearly fell off my chair. It was such a rare moment. He then right clicked
a link to open it in a new window. I had to stop myself leaving the room to
post to the list, it was that exciting... fortunately I have it on DVD and
can watch it to my hearts content... :)
Hmmm,
Paul Noone wrote:
That and clean XHTML is easier to hand-code than tables...
Without wanting to open a can of worms here; how so? Do you mean in
conjunction with CSS, or just that XHTML markup is cleaner than that of
HTML?
I read him to mean that any clean mark-up is easier to hand code tha
.html) or or point them at Joe Clark's page
(http://www.joeclark.org/accessiblog/ab-lawsuits.html [**]) of suit
references as examples. The accessibility lawsuit is coming to a court
near you in the future. Convince your manager not to be a test case.
Cheers
Mark Harris
[*] also one of Jo Clark
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Hope I'm making sense, here and I know it's a slippery slope, but hey ...
That's why they pay us the big bucks, right?
.. Right?
Anyone?
You make money at this???
What a concept!!
;-)
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Joshua Street wrote:
On 10/30/05, Kenny Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So back to the original question, is there any way to serve a rule
only to firefox (or only to non-firefox) without invalidating the css?
Heh, server-side browser sniffing? ;-)
Seriously, why is this flamebait. I su
t over that and
concentrate on getting pages that work in all browsers and all platforms
to deliver the business need.
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Gene Falck wrote:
>> http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/copyrght.htm
>>
>> >http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/index.htm
>
>
>
> Shows the domain and most of the path as being the
> same as your reference indicating that they both
> come from the same sou
Andrew Krespanis wrote:
> Here's the complete 4th edition online:
http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/index.htm
found via: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html
I *believe* it's legal... fingers crossed!
and the Tooth Fairy, I suppose? ;-)
"f you have foun
Andrew Krespanis wrote:
> Here's the complete 4th edition online:
http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/index.htm
found via: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html
I *believe* it's legal... fingers crossed!
and the Tooth Fairy, I suppose? ;-)
"f you have foun
Mark Harris wrote:
I can think of 2 secure ways to use IE/windows to test webpages:
1 run a webserver on a separate box _inside_ your firewall and install
your pages there for testing - stack a firewall between the systems if
you need to test that.
2 run VirtualPC (or some other windows
Peter Ottery wrote:
Peter Firminger wrote:
Not at all recommended on any machine you care about.
Just for my own peace of mind tho - they're only a security issue when
you have launched the program right? so if i'm launching them (old
standalone IE5 & 5.5) once a month to *only* test pages t
Kay Smoljak wrote:
My layouts are pretty basic, so I doubt it wouldn't work. I think the
number of people out in the general public using Linux on the desktop
is infintismally (sp?) small.
Hem
not "infinitesimally small", but fewer than Windows. Possibly as many as
Mac. IMHO designers fuss a
. In
this case, the photo _is_ essential content, in practical terms.
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For an in-depth look at NZGLS and our approach to metadata (again, no
disrespect to Motive), see http://nzgls.govt.nz/ and you can find AGLS
at http://www.agls.gov.au/
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Disclaimer: I didn'
l even respond. SEO (the way they
do it) is just a con job IMHO
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