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Your real page has:
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could give the list a class and style it to suit
your requirements, it need not appear as a bulleted or
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Hi Paul,
Keep in mind that not many people here will want to help you
sort out a
design that uses tables for layout.
Are we not being a bit classist?
I don't think so. This is from the guidelines:
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You have a usability/accessibility issue with the onChange event on the
style switcher. Take it out and add a button to submit it. Try NOT using
your mouse and tab through to that form instead, then try and arrow down and
you'll see the issue.
Even something like
as 640 x 480 ... I'd have to say no! I haven't come across a requirement
to do this myself on either small or larger projects.
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Hi Bruce
I've come up against this myself when going for a liquid 3 column layout with a
header graphic that I want to span all three columns at the top. You could
'sniff' the browser width/screen res, but I don't like doing that myself. The
solutuion I came up with is pretty much the solution
labelled as part of the label's
definition aren't the semantics of an implicit label just a little bit
dubious (even if it does meet the DTD)?
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to render OK.
Cheers
Peter
Darren Wood wrote:
Hello World!
I've been struggling with a vertical alignment issue...have a look at
the links below:
http://shopperanswers.dev.netconcepts.com/understanding-your-shoppers.php
[line 86]
http://shopperanswers.dev.netconcepts.com/includes/default.css
Thanks Patrick,
Your diagnosis was spot on, I do have php installed and
I do have "short tags" enabled, that's what wascausing the problem. Thanks
for your help.
Cheers
Peter McCarthy
a blank page with no error
message. Is there a configuration setting I have missed somewhere ??? The DTD Im
using is ?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd&qu
and
iconography. Any issue should have a cross rather than a tick to indicate a
problem. They did add the alt text following my complaints though so at
least I had some indication that the glass was half full.
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Are we done now?
Let me just say (as I wrote the offending line on the Max
Design/Webboy sites) that I referred to ASP and not ASP.NET as not being a rapid
development language (and I am right, it isn't... I used todo ASP sites).
I really don't care what languages other people use, they
myself. As I use .net this is a snip (especially in the beta of asp.net
2.0 as the markup generated here is xhtml compliant).
It will be interesting to see what others in the group come
back with.
HTH
Peter Goddard
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Hope that made sense,
nup. youre definately going to have to show us an example. if you havent got a liveexample to show, make a really simple example by stripping out everything else and just include some html css within your post. help us to help you! :)
On 7/21/05, Josh Rose [EMAIL
hi,
I'd like to left align the text in a form submit button. The following
seems to work in IE (5.5+), but not in Firefox:
form action=whatever
input type=submit value=Submit style=width:20em;text-align:left /
/form
(simplified and made inline for the sake of an
Absolutely; give your body tags an id representing the page:
e.g.
body id=page1
body id=page2
etc
Then add CSS entries for each page that requires a particular style to
your stylesheet:
#page1 {
background-color: #fff;
}
#page2 {
background-color: #ffc;
}
etc.
Cheers
Peter
Sarah
well use an inline
HTML editor (an Ektron one for example) that invokes a dll on the client. In
my experience this is a lot more stable than Java applets and other stuff
that will allow stand-alone (non operating system-integrated) browsers to
use them.
Peter
hmmmI smell Troll...
You don't
re:
php sniffer script
Splash Page that degrades (though ... can't degrade too much)
Sam, i gotta agree with what Michael said earlier:
Did we just hit some kind of crazy-ass time warping worm-hole thatlanded us in 1995?I beg of you, wherever you are, go out and pick up a copy of this book:
it may be best if Peter (a list member) confirms or denies this. Peter?
well, hello there :)
re received heaps of feedback
heaps is a stretch. if i said it, i was exaggerating apologise. but dont sigh curse yet! theres a better story behind it :)
While its true when we redesigned http
I totally concur with Lea (which happens with amazing regularity).
We have discussed this matter in the past (along with creating online fora
to move some of the newbie stuff off the list) but the general consensus was
that this was and still is the best way to do it to cover all levels.
If
):
errorHandler.invalidPropertyName
vs
error_handler.invalid_property_name
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of the elements - how do you know, by default,
how many characters should be visible to the user in a text field, for
instance? So there is a distinction, which I think is sufficient, but
there's a distinctly slippery slope near at hand!
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Ok, enough on
that thanks.
This is a
'PhotoShop how to'rather thana Web Standards
discussion.
Peter
('E: a novel', the E before Christmas).
Its a good discussion point, but not for this list perhaps.
All the best
Peter Goddard
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Hi Ian,
I dont think its a massive issue to do that (put the navigation at the end of the source and position it at the top of the page visually). Theres probably some people that would say this is potentially better for screenreaders, in that they aren't confronted with a massive navigation
i really like this accordion show/hide script...
http://openrico.org/demos.page?demo=ricoAccordion.html
.. and am thinking it might be useful for a really long list of FAQ's on a page.
this particular example relies on the quite sizeable 'rico' _javascript_/s (which contain a whole bunch of other
Cole wrote: I've got a small background icon that I've hooked to a few li's. Displays as planned in FF, but doesn't display at all in IE6.
Any ideas how I can fix this in IE?not sure if youve solved this by now but often i find if you specify a background colour (instead of transparent), IE will
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The question was a perfectly legitimate one.
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sponsorship to hire someone or someone else doing it voluntarily, this isn't
likely (at least for Sydney). Other cities may prove me wrong, I know our
very competitive friends in Brisbane were looking into it.
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Hi Erwin,
there'd be other people on the list that could comment on the use of access keys etc i'm sure.
At a stretch I'd kinda consider some aspects of the visual presentation part of the broad spectrum that is accessibility though - or at least usability.
i like thisarticle that looks at the
any attachment is probably a virus.
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be ridiculed if you use them for page layout but don't feel
even the slightest bit bad about using them for their intended
purpose.
Peter
This
is my header...!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transiti
Also some issues with the navigation sliding of the plate in Safari
It's true of, presumably, all browsers because your menus are absolutely
positioned.
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the page, but the other content of the page was being centred.
Presumably on a 1024x768 the menu positioning looked right.
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server-side languages have this need or
whether they work it out themselves. Not that I want to start that
discussion here (as server-side technology is off topic) but as a concept,
it may well be part of the problem and I just wanted to add it to your debug
process.
Peter
Seems to work fine in IE5.01/Win on XP SP2.
Cheers
Peter
Maxine Sherrin wrote:
I need to find out if multiple class names, like this:
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I can't be bothered to design anything other than for IE
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Thomas Livingston wrote:
On May 27, 2005, at 1:05 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Funny how one can play with words.
If a Web _site_ advertised that, I'd take it as We hacked the crap
out of our code so IE users can see
re: a elements may only contain other inline elements
hang on,
so if i have an anchor tag wrapped around an image (display:inline by
default), its deemed fine by the validator, but if I make that image
display:block via the css, (for design purposes, which must be a
pretty common practice on
Damien wrote:
As to your question about a tags for block level elements, can you
give an example when you would use this?
not a good one, no :) i had a fleeting thought like what if, for some
ungodly reason, you wanted to link an entire sidebar div to another
page - but it was fleeting. just
Thanks Guys much apreciated.
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However, even though theres only one item, the dl seems like the
most appropriate tag.
Yep, if semantically its a list which just happens to have only
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Hi Russ or Peter,
Where can I get to CMS
Lynx, for example). If the cols are not defined in
the markup then what is the browser supposed to show?
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sports fans,
if you had part of a form that had a checkbox that when checked
enabled a file upload input, how would you mark that up?
the result should look something like this:
http://skunkworks.farcrycms.com/wsg/label/label.gif
but i wasnt sure what the label tag/s would/should wrap around...
though theres only one item, the dl seems like the
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It'd be better
Lee wrote:
Hello Listpeople,
Anyone know if there's an XHTML special char. for ® ?
Can't you use the standard registered entity reference: reg;?
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
section C-12.
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Kornel Lesinski wrote:
#174;
You should avoid all named entities in XHTML, except quot, amp, lt, gt.
For all other characters use unicode encoding or numeric unicode
entity reference.
Then why does the W3 use it in their example?
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
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Tom Hamshere wrote:
I know it's not perfect (particularly that there are priority 2
accessibility issues), but could people please take a look at
http://www.lastminute.com
Any feedback appreciated.
One word:
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I know it's not perfect (particularly that there are priority 2
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http://www.lastminute.com
Any feedback appreciated.
One word
the default charset
for HTML as well as source code unless otherwise set.
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Tee wrote:
Is it possible to make it this way and make IE happy at the same time?
div class=twoCol
labelitem 1/label
labelitem 2/label
labelitem 3/label
labelitem 4/label
labelitem 5/label.
/div
So that I don't need to put a spacer class in between every two items.
there may be
/mcart/mof.cgi /
should be:
form method=post action=../cgi-bin/mcart/mof.cgi
div id=formContentContent here/div
/form
My Doctype is xhtml transitional.
Also, have anybody done the e-commerce site that is fully xhtml validated?
I find it too much a challenge!
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Way OT now folks.
Please send suggestions to Gez at the email address mentioned on the page
(as Douglas correctly asked you to do).
P
Visit his site for more information about the situation and how to
contact him with suggestions.
http://juicystudio.com/
Thank you!
Maybe a specific topic addressing the commercial benefits of Web
Standards at WE05 could have been included.
I believe there is.
1.30pm, day 1...
Brett Jackson, John Horner, David McDonald
Panel: Moving your organisation to standards
Theme: Strategy
Audience: Managers
Andreas wrote: I am having difficulties getting IE to give a table a padding-left.
I dont think adding padding to the table itself is going to be reliable - as youve found out :)
I'd say that what you want to do is add padding to the cell/s of the table.
If you want to add padding to one column
Andreas Boehmer wrote:
Gee, that's a new one to me! Is col a HTML 4 tag? I've never come acrossit.
absolutely, a quick googling turns this article up - looks like quite a good rundown...
http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/tables/tablesaccessibility.html
or theres always the w3c spec if youre up for
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i really admire a
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All I have to say, is...
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to the text that is displayed above)
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Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Peter J. Farrell wrote:
I'm newer to CSS then I'd like to admit, but I was wondering if it is
possible to create a layout that consists of three content areas
(Think about a 3-column layout turned 90 degrees).
You've got plenty of fun waiting for you up the CSS-road
,
Cornwall (U.K.)
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
Looks just fine to me...Win XP on FF and IE with NVidia 6600. I have a
new/fast computerhowever, I've seen this problem on older computers
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Hi Mary
All looks ok to me, have you solved this one?
Peter
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I've just removed the table
hi, thanks for your kind words and feedback peoples. have tried to quickly answer those main questions below:
re Just curious to know what the many lines of CDATA code achieve and the
reason for putting them inline?
no idea personally :) , but the dev guy says it's definitely something
we want
very proud to say the new mycareer site launched today:
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its the next major site from the Fairfax Digital network to take on css
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Dmitry wrote:
Hi Peter,
I am not shure about asteri, but I think it is not very usable that if
I click on the text near checkbox, checkbox doesn't change its state.
for sure. that behaviour (thanks to using labels) works for me in PC
IE5+ and Firefox (which is a pretty large slice of users
quote
There is nothing wrong with any of the above except they're being touted
by...guess who?...people who offer web design services specializing
in...guess what?...Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS. These are
simply tools. Remember, nobody gets excited about the tools used to build a
Further more (this rubbish by or about people justifying their inability to
do a job right really annoys me).
A person developing a website is expected to produce a product that serves
HTML or XHTML and through that some other files (images, stylesheets etc.)
to a browser. Lets just go with the
tech reasons...
[1] http://www.adaptivepath.com/
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Oh, and sorry...this is fairly off topic. Apologies...
Patrick
Yes I was thinking the same. Very interesting news with on-topic
repercussions down the track but not really a valid discussion point here
and now. However, I have set up a page in the WSG Blog for this
discussion...
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Check out the Google Webmaster guidelines:
http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html
Hidden text probably makes google think you are doing some sort of
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of the preAmble() - I can't remember at the
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There are 6 billion people on this planet.and I like 8
on? I'm thinking it could be a video display
driver problem with mouse scrolling - have you updated you display
driver recently?
Maybe a screen shot of what you are seeing might help...
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A Meyer
(http://www.meyerweb.com)
These three give you the rationale for the Web Standards approach, the
practical implementation and the nitty-gritty of CSS, respectively.
Cheers
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Mark B wrote:
Hiya.
I'm an experienced HTML CSS coder who has dabbled a little with the
XHTML/CSS way
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of html, aka a php include), but once
you've got it down, you'll have a hard time imagining working without it.
Peter Flaschner
www.peterflaschner.com
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of the fix for this.
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