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a slippery slope, in my opinion...starting to add what is, in this case,
visual markup to compensate for lack of CSS...
i usually
div's have no inherent dimensions and can be enclosed by fieldsets.
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If you add divs to the input fields, won't that effect the fieldset? Or am I
missing something here? I've been avoiding this form thing like the plague,
but I've got no choic
If the dimensions are included in CSS then it won't make a difference.
If you are using images judiciously (as opposed to gratuitously) then
the time to render them will be negligible.
I say if the attributes aren't deprecated and the code validates then
use them.
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I think accesskeys are a case of: those who like them will find them,
those who don't can (and will) ignore them.
I use my user stylesheet to reveal accesskeys and tabindexes.
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CSS used, still accessible without.
I really don't think accesskeys are all tha
380k+ flash animation on the home page is just obnoxious... but
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Deans example works fine on-line, but I can't get it to work served up from my test server.
It would be nice if MS implemented this themselves.
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Hi,
I would consider removing the web standards notice completely or at
least to the end of the page. Some people might choose not to have (or
be) a web standard browser ( eg Lynx, Google).
I think there was a conversation about this issue recently on this
list, and you can read more here
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gehammer to drive in a tack.
I usually just use a regex: s/#f60/#ffcfcf/g
Any decent editor should handle that in one form or the other.
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> 3) We shall be more cautious about the claim of WCAG indeed. You're
> totally
> right on this. Thanks for spotting it. Do you mind if we use a somewhat
> close statement as Project Seven's?
I don't mind at all, but then it's not my content
mentioned in this
thread already.
AFAIK they all use seom form of regex to do the replacement, so
s/selectedLink/#f60/g still works for me =)
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Drake, Ted C. said:
> Hi Terrence
> I'm not sure If I asked the question right. I'm not looking to do a sear
ana doesn't scale up in size very well and looks butt-ugly at
larger sizes.
Felix will probably give you a good explanation, if he answers this thread.
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Lou Rosenfeld should publish a top ten IA mistakes.
Jakob's first point is acutally about legibility and is not simply
limited to font resiza
There are no silly questions.
body, table {
font-size: 0.8em;
}
don't set the font-size as a % on your table declarations.
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I'm setting my font size at 0.8em in my body class.
I t
On 4 Oct 2005, at 11:30 PM, Nick Lo wrote:
I always find it amazing that useit.com has such standing when it is
itself such an awkward and unattractive site to use.
unattractive, maybe... but awkward to use?
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designers on a list frequented by designer types, such as myself... but
maybe I'm being overly sensitive to criticism?
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Drake, Ted C. said:
> Hi Terrence
>
> I think your argument is against what we, as conscientious responsible web
> develo
Andy Kirkwood|Motive said:
> Perhaps an icon that indication of a single column (maybe with an
> obviously enlarged 'T')?
Might I suggest a magnifying glass over the 'T', or a '+' as an icon?
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> So, from John & Derek's responses, am I correct in thinking there's no
> use for the Meta Keywords or Meta
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onscreen (logo-on-full-color) -- this avoids a bug in early Safari builds
which did not download background images for the print style sheet that
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Mordechai Peller said:
> Terrence Wood wrote:
>> has absolutely no semantic value,
> That's not quite true. The s used in the previous examples do have
Buddy Quaid said:
> As an avid user of Dreamweaver everyday, I can tell you that Dreamweaver
> is great for compliant sites. It has a lot of built in tools like a
> validator that validates to the spec of your current DTD.
Are you talking about DW8? DWMX 2004 does not validate HTML 4, it uses
it's
Vicki Berry said:
> I've just gotta say... this is fantastic.
Derek, can you update your examoples to use fieldsets instead of divs to
group the form controls together?
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ur (5, 5.5, 6, 7). Which is what I have done
for the last few sites I've built.
You don't even need a hack to do it, just include an xml declaration, a
comment or blank line as the first line in your page.
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Alan Trick said:
> I personally think that this will
of representation is purely optional.
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McLaughlin, Gail G said:
> We are establishing Web standards for forms and are debating this.
>
> Here¹s what I have gleaned based on reading the references ci
nteractive) where it's constiuents
need to be treated as a single unit, thus form elements need to be
differentiated (visually) from the normal flow of the page.
Legends aren't headings (in relation to the page), but labels that
summarise a collection of form controls.
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I'm compelled to reply to this simply to give it a bump truer words
were never spoken.
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> We web developers are the only people who will view a site across multiple
> browsers simultaneously. Most other visitors will hit it with their
> favourite br
The major gotcha with Operas text view is that it preserves table
(columnar) structure where lynx just runs them all together.
Try a precompiled binary:
http://csant.info/lynx.htm
or a lynx viewer:
http://www.yellowpipe.com/yis/tools/lynx/lynx_viewer.php
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here's a starting point:
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> Does anyone actually use lynx anymore though (except sysadmins who
> haven't realises that VMS is not the la
ess to, the only people using
IE5/Mac in New Zealand are designers/developers testing their (or my)
designs, and you are more likely to come across IE/PC 4 in the wild.
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My only concern would be that most sites seem to use (ambiguosly) one of
> the
> kb varieties.
>
> What does everyone else think?
I'd use what ever unit returns a number between 1 and 1024 e.g 874K,
1.2M, 647b. Seems a bit more metric.
che
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display:none;
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or
input[type=hidden]
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position:absolute;
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@people rushing to their favorite validators =)
Yes, I'm aware of the missing alt, it's in the pipeline for a fix. See if
you can find the error that the w3c validator misses. Replies offlist.
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> Is there any valid way make firefox (well, gecko in general)
> ignore a rule
*|* selector {property:value}
pretty sure mozilla is the only browser to apply this rule from memory
YMMV and you probably want to check KHTML browsers.
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g, em). My understanding is that it takes some
extra effort to get .net to produce good markup and getting the dev's to
do their bit first is a good.
The hardest part is getting content owners to write well for the internet
and the intended audience.
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dth - I know what day it is
and I know how to bookmark a page... just give me the guitars!
You really should move all your javascript and CSS out of the body and
make links in the head.
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everyday with written material. And, of course, you can create addtional
affordance through the visual design.
If you really need to keep headings and lists together as a unit (for
machine readability, perhaps?) then use a div.
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id find this one, which is valid but haven't used it:
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level you could use: element[rel="dc.title"]
Maybe it's not too late to have that conversation on the DC.General list,
or with Ian Davis? Maybe, it's just not that important?
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the risk of being pretty meaningless as a tool to help them find stuff. Of
course, the opposite is true in a closed community (i.e where people know
the vocab).
Lastly, naked metadata will be indexed by (public) search engines, used to
determine relevance, and returned in
ied
by different browsers which can cause problems with color matching.
Futher discussion and comparision table at: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/png-gamma/
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if you (royal you) really *must* use grey (out of the the 65
million that are usually available), at least do some user testing to see
if users thinks the field is disabled or not.
Sounds like a job for cognitive walkthrough:
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~zwz22/CognWalk.htm
styled input type=text on winXP and IE6 reveals there is
*no indication at all* that a field is disabled. Nice one IE6. Oh, I lie
or I'm tired, the outline may have an indiscernable gaussian blur into the
field.
FF is grey, as is Opera.
kind rega
de - "C" - to color
the author class:
a:hover .author {color:#fff;}
Create similar rules begninning with a:hover to apply the styles you want
to anything contained within the a element.
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Yes, this is indeed the correct approach.
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> I didn't think that the full-width div color would be so tricky.
erm, it's not that tricky, it's just easy to overlook.
take the padding (and border) off the div and add it to your anchor instead.
The hover state will then fill the entire div.
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Alan Trick said:
>> ...which is to say that IE *does* support 8-bit transparency (i.e. same
>> as
>> gif).
> That is about the only reason to ever use the GIF any more. Apart from
I meant it supports png with 8-bit transparency.
kind
Ask him if he can point out any that he *uses* himself on a regular
basis.
T.
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Thanks The Visual Process.
As pointed out already there are plenty of Javascript options which
are
standards compliant, try google.
However scrollers look horrib
a lot of gotchas in stanards design, isn't a standard property either.
A standards compliant way of giving something hasLayout is to
explicitly assign a width or height.
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Use URL rewriting and create top level landing pages and query based URI
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10 Million 7.5in small screens, pretty sure that will change the face of
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Mike Brown said:
> Hi
>
> I'm trying to recreate this visual look:
> http://testing.signify.co.nz/test.
Lachlan Hardy said:
> build the menu out of an unordered list then use Javascript to transform
> that into a dropdown list for those with JS.
> Consider it a 'white lie of web design'
or call it 'progressive enhancement'.
nice solution
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> Try this one:
> http://www.business.vic.gov.au/
where's the map?
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> the content and sidebar are squished together in IE
just taken a look in IE6 and it looks fine to me, I don't have net access
with FF from work... have you fixed it?
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rest of my CSS is
clean and compliant. I use the * html hack, or conditional comments to
deliver CSS to IE.
HTH
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font-family: "trebuchet ms",serif; /* you could even specify the corporate
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> is an invalid HTML comment
how so?
> Please make sure you type the URIs correctly in the future and use '.'
> and '/' appropriately.
minor typos are easy to ignore, and really don't warrant being commen
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> browser support is limited
Browser support is limited for HTML comment syntax? Which browser(s) would
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Lachlan Hunt said:
> Terrence Wood wrote:
>> a comment in this format is not invalid HTML:
>>
>>
>
> If it's not followed by another '-->' later in the document with no
> extra '--' in between, then yes it is an invalid comment declarati
r, last I looked none of these are particularly accessible
out of the box either, and all suffered to some degree of poor seperation
of code + ui (disclaimer: it's been a very long time since I looked at TP,
or MT).
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r, last I looked none of these are particularly accessible
out of the box either, and all suffered to some degree of poor seperation
of code + ui (disclaimer: it's been a very long time since I looked at TP,
or MT).
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is this that will cause all the problems in the future,
> if they ever attempt to switch to true XML, and why I very strongly
> advocate that beginners start with HTML, not XHTML.
>
Well, it took some time, but I'm glad we've cleared that up. This is
certainly more imformative for a be
a bit!!!)
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You're using the name attribute, which isn't valid
the name attribute *is* valid for form controls, but not other elements
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On 8 Dec 2005, at 11:20 AM, Rebecca Cox wrote:
> I agree - vast lists not a
Sorry, posted this to the wrong list.
Feel free to jump in (or not) - it's the ol' drop-downs are bad vs.
down-downs are good debate.
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On 12 Dec 2005, at 8:45 AM, Terrence Wood wrote:
On 12 Dec 2005, at 12:35 AM, Anthony Ettinger wrote:
you can includ
f an element, or you have repitious
information, then the first question you should ask yourself is "Am I
using the right element here, is there some other element that does the
job better?". Especially if the element in question is a paragraph.
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ys to remove reliance on
using tables for layout.
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They *do* offer a text-only version so yes, they can claim to be accessible.
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> Read the article:
> http://www.lightmaker.com/c
he first two paragraphs are worth expanding on.
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have a reply drafted on my home machine that discusses this and I will
post it later.
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Thomas Livingston said:
> On Dec 15, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Terrence Wood wrote:
>> encouraging your clients to look to other
>> design solutions that don't reply on the use of tables for layout
>
> This is just completely unrealistic.
What It's unrealistic to advis
having the
branding appear with content residing on someone elses web site.
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00px high image
in column 2 goes a 750px high image
in column 3 goes a 500px high image
the end result should be that all three columns are the same height
in other words:
below the image in column 1, no background color shows
below the image in column 2, 250px of background color shows
below the image
about (desiring) something else:
reduced cost of ownership, improved performance, better user
experience, contemporary visual design, whatever, we all know what the
benefits are - use the ones that push your clients buttons.
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Thomas Livingston said:
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> On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Terrence Wood wrote:
>> No, I don't want you to tell them the technical reason's of why one
design is better than another.
>
> Yes, you do.
Did you not read the rest of the paragraph above Tom? I thought it was
to use a table, then so be
> it. As it happens I've only built 1 table based site this year and I
> have no shame and no regrets,
Good on you.
> the site brings in millions of dollars a year.
Yeah, so do google and amazon, both of which are pretty "laughable" in
terms
static page?
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Terrence Wood wrote:
Have I missed something or is this just, erm, frames using javascript
instead of a static page?
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Isn't what the OP is looking for? Being able to link to *and* frame
06 AM, Terrence Wood wrote:
Again, nothing personal Bob, this rant is for any designer who has
clients wanting that 1998 look.
And in fact, I have had off-list responses thanking me for my
contribution to this thread.
On 16 Dec 2005, at 11:44 PM, Bob Schwartz wrote:
No can do Bob. I showed yo
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