Re: [WSG] em-based layout test request

> I'm hoping to redo my site after the old one has become a couple years > stale. New logo too. Don't want anything messed up appearing before > committing to the change. I'm sure you understand. > > http://sitesbyjoe.foodzoomer.com/homepage.htm > > Give it a shot and respond off-list if this is

Re: [WSG] em-based layout test request

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > Thierry Koblentz wrote: >> FWIW, I'm not for limiting the width of an em-based layout to the >> window's width. I'd keep this behavior and may be implement a zoom >> layout to make everybody happy. > > Is this where I turn on my

Re: [WSG] Minimum Height Delimma in IE

I usually stay away from anything that cannot be done in IE 6 without a hack, but I've got a client who "loves" a design I did before I realized that the main container would need to be "held open" vertically under certain circumstances. So, now I'm kinda stuck - can anyone help? Hi Cole, You

Re: [WSG] Template Review

In Win Firefox 2 the validation select list seems too short, cutting off part of the final 'n' of Validation. I can't see where in your stylesheet you're constraining its width, but maybe some padding-right would help. It is due to the global reset at the top of the sheet: *{margin: 0; padding

Re: [WSG] Template Review

CK wrote: > For Show/Hide Dom Switching You may find this article useful: http://tjkdesign.com/articles/toggle_elements.asp It is about using javascript to create the links and hide the DDs ("progressive enhancement"). > See this There

Re: [WSG] Template Review

Finally, I think show/hide javascript for the explanations is pointless... if I really happen to be interested enough to read all the sections, I would have to go through 10 clicks. That's a lot of work to read half a page worth of text. I say just let everything be available on page load and don'

Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline

I've usually gone: Thundering Pigs a blog by Bob Who knew you could do things different ways? ;) I do something very similar, but using a colon: Thundering Pigs: a blog by Bob CSS: h1 span {display:block;text-indent:-.3em} If the document is styled we get a line break *without* the colon a

Re: [WSG] IE 7 body length problem

On my site, http://christianmontoya.net/ the body does not extend past the content in IE 7 on initial page load, so the background doesn't reach the bottom of the screen. I know there's a simple fix for this, but I can't remember it... can someone help me out? Thanks in advance. Hi Christian, I

Re: [WSG] IE 7 body length problem

From: "Lachlan Hunt" Thierry Koblentz wrote: I don't see this behavior in ie7 WinXP Pro But I think you should be able to fix what you describe by giving layout to some element in there. Did you try: body {zoom:1} Be very careful about overusing hasLayout. It's not s

Re: [WSG] IE 7 body length problem

From: "Philippe Wittenbergh" body has 'Layout' by default True, thanks --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/gui

Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question

Perhaps I did not make myself clear - what every script of this nature does is remove the need for an 'inline' onClick event handler, by programmatically inserting the exact same handler after the document has loaded, by searching for some attribute of the link. While this does a good job of fool

Re: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

From: "Craig Bailey" For example, if I have a page devoted to explaining what a Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is, should I tag MSA with the tag every single time it's mentioned? I'd use the element (abbr) each time MSA appears in the document and would expand the title on its first

Re: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

From: "Nick Fitzsimons" On the other hand, screen-readers are generally configured by default to always read out the expansion of text marked up as an abbreviation (that is, the contents of the title attribute), so using (or the non-standard ) repeatedly will force users of such assistive

Re: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

From: "David Dorward" Then I think it is a screen-reader issue as I believe there is no point to have this as default setting since documents are supposed to contain the expansion in plain text already... "Specify the expansion of each abbreviation or acronym in a document where it first occu

Re: [WSG] Disappearing element in IE

#bottom_nav { position: static; float: right; margin: -150px 9px 0 0; height: 196px; width: 535px; *width: 570px; background: url(/resources/5661/assets/images_community/footer.jpg) no-repeat 0 0; } I'd add "display:inline", just to make sure IE doesn't double the right margin. --- Regards, T

RE: [WSG] Semantics and

> inside pages. Like so: > Accessites.org > The Art of AccessibilityHow correct or > semantically pure this method is I do not know. I am comfortable with > it is > all. The span is meaningless, but does happen to contain the > [replacement] > image over the still accessible text, the small bre

RE: [WSG] Hack for all IE versions including 7

> On Behalf Of Paul Collins > conditional comments gives an excuse to be lazy and just write a whole > new bunch of styles for IE that could have been fixed in the original > stylesheet with a bit of playing around. When working on sites built Do you mean that kind of "playing around"? div.conte

RE: [WSG] Hack for all IE versions including 7

> Thanks Theiry, I haven't seen the "voice family" one for quite some > time :) ;-) > IMO: If you take your time you shouldn't need too many hacks anyway, > maybe a box model or two and a peekaboo bug here and there, which > should really only require a "\" or a "* html", not too complex. But >

RE: [WSG] Hack for all IE versions including 7

> On Behalf Of Jermayn Parker > This is what I find very useful and explained very simply: > http://www.solidstategroup.com/page/1592 FWIW, I'd question #6 and #7 --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines:

RE: [WSG] width of inline lists

> >> and, of course, the 'width : 250px' is just ignored. I've tried > setting > >> a width on the but that doesn't work either. > >> > >> MUST I use a table? Before you use a table, check this link: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/make_an_html_list_look_like_a_table.asp Ignore the script sol

RE: [WSG] css type loop

> But at the end of the day, this will only piss of the people on this > mailing list, and the next developer to work on your web site. The > users > will still see a nice bold heading. The semantics are meanlingless to > them. Actually with your example, I believe there are more users who would b

RE: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

> On Behalf Of Patrick Lauke > Can't guarantee how robust this would be in all situations, but I've > just been playing with word-spacing to override the space without > having to change the HTML itself. Seems to work ok in IE 6, IE 7, > Firefox 2.0, Mozilla 1.7, Opera 9.2 on WinXP. Not sure how S

RE: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

> On Behalf Of Steve Green >  > Definition lists are the new tables. People are just falling over themselves trying to abuse them in all kinds of inappropriate ways. To paraphrase the previous message, a definition list is for lists of definitions I don't agree with this definition. For example, t

RE: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

> On Behalf Of Jason Robb > Unless my client needs to show a number with each image, an ordered > list > would be my second choice. I still think a DIV will be the right markup > for the task. Thanks for the input everyone, I really appreciate it. What's wrong with the UL? And what about adjacent

RE: [WSG] Mocking up web interfaces

> On Behalf Of Nick Fitzsimons > Being "Just a Coder", my usual workflow is: > > 1. Receive Photoshop files created by client's graphic designer, who > has no knowledge of web technologies, no understanding of usability, > no interest in accessibility, and thinks everything is the same as > print

[WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

I saw Dan Cederholm's presentation at the "@media" conference in San Francisco yesterday. I took a look at the markup of a one page web site he created for the purpose of the presentation and noticed that he marked up a 4 star image like this: What about marking up "*" used in forms with ABBR

RE: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

> On Behalf Of Nick Fitzsimons > > Please fill fields marked with * (required field). > > * Name: > php echo > > error(); ?> > > > > > > * Email: > > > > > It makes sense to me, assuming that the second (the one for > the email field) is missing a "title" attribute, and ou

RE: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

> On Behalf Of Sander Aarts > ... English is not my native language adds to my misinterpretation though. Welcome to the club ;) --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/gu

RE: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

> On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com > > What about marking up "*" used in forms with ABBR elements? > > In your example you left the text instruction. > > > Fields marked with * (asterisk) are required. > Thus I'd say further treatment is unnecessary. And if you change that > by > removing th

RE: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

On Behalf Of Terrence Wood > most screen reader users don't expand abbreviations, they would only get "asterisk"  > spoken to them. They might wonder what its significance is. Interesting. I used to think the same thing, but "someone" in a recent thread told me: >> On the other hand, screen-read

RE: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

> On Behalf Of Paul Novitski > All this makes me try to come up with a way to present the asterisks > as footnote indicators visually but not aurally. One could present > the asterisks as background images on the abbrev elements, but as > such they wouldn't scale. If they were scalable foregroun

RE: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

> On Behalf Of Mordechai Peller > > The problem would then be how to mark this up: > > > > * Required fields > > > > As plain text it would make sense to the visual users as the referent > > for the asterisks but would seem a bit nonsensical to listeners. > Perhaps, leave the asterisk as

RE: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

> On Behalf Of Mordechai Peller > Instead of using a legend, how's about: > > label.required span { > position : absolute; > left : -px; > } > Required... This has been suggested already, but I don't think it's as clean as using legend. As a side note, I don't think we'd need to use

RE: [WSG] need help with tabular interface

> On Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman > > kevin mcmonagle wrote: > > > I am going to start with the sliding doors 2.0 article on ala. > > Does anyone have any advice or examples regarding a sideways tabular > > nav bar? > > You've got the right starting point - but be aware that (in my previous > experi

RE: [WSG] need help with tabular interface

> On Behalf Of Sander Aarts > 2 s inside the link? > I must admit that I haven't really read the whole article, but I can't > see why you'd have to use 2, each with their own className. Why not use > the for one of the background images instead of class="left">? So we can use transparent images

Re: [WSG] Kaosweaver Complete CSS Menu - accessible or not?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://www.kaosweaver.com/extensions/details.php?id=76 > > Hi I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this extension > and whether it is fully accessible etc as it looks like it could be > quite a time saver. Hi Helen, I'm biased on this, but I'd like to point

Re: [WSG] List Indenting

Paul wrote: > Just did, on the UL class as well as the li class, no luck Hi Paul, The problem lies in your bluebox container. *Remove* the left declaration and use "margin-left" instead, that should fix it. Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *

Re: [WSG] 3 cols width any column longest and no div clear

Gianfranco Todini wrote: > And it doesn't use any hacks as well... What's this? * html #container {display:inline-block;} And this? * html #left {width:197px;} :-) Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstanda

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing & borders

> True, but management should make "educated decision" and > that means listening to developers. But a developer who doesn't know how to design for NN4 would be biased, no? IMHO, supporting NN4 is a call for: - bad semantic, - structural hacks, - extra hours spent on the project. Out of these th

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing & borders

Michael Wilson wrote: > stylesheets designed for more modern browsers. The only caveat being > that the styles you use in your linked CSS will need to be overridden > in your @imported stylesheet or they will bleed over to the modern > browsers. I generally complete my global CSS first and then go

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing & borders

> but a useful one to know for sure. Since we're talking about NN4... Another interesting thing about this browser is the way it handles the noscript tag. In NN4, a simple noscript tags pair can break apart a whole CSS layout; at other times, it can be a great way to clear floats. Once a designer

Re: [WSG] you've been framed!

designer wrote: > OK, I know about the pitfalls, but the bookmarking thing is easy to > get over - just add 2 short lines of javascript from > www.CodeLifter.com : > > if (parent.location.href == self.location.href){ > window.location.href = 'whateverframeset.html' } I don't think this has to

Re: [WSG] position:absolute in IE

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > A simple float-design with a little bit of AP, can be as fluid as one > may like it. How about 3-column floats? > > Basically it is this: > This technique uses negative margins

Re: [WSG] position:absolute in IE

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > Yes, that's another variant that'll work just fine. I made one based on > the same idea back in may/june 2004, but Gecko-browsers wasn't > "clearing" too well then: > Hi Georg, You're floating the right column and you have

Re: [WSG] How exactly can I get pixel perfect in IE?

tee wrote: > Hi, Been wanting to find a solution but it's sort of something not > critical until I came up with this menu > > http://www.lotusseeds.com/tryagain_michael.html > Any idea? In the markup, do not leave whitespace between the list items HTH, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ***

Re: [WSG] position:absolute in IE

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > reached by different means. I don't have a "personal preference", so I > look into all solutions, and pick and choose from ideas and > inspiration when/as needed. Guess that's how it should work across > the web. The same here. There is a lot of good stuff out there, very i

Re: [WSG] IE problem

> I've seen hacks over the net and used one to define sizes in IE...but > this problem is driving me crazy... Hi Javier, As Alan said, you should use display:inline on every float that include margins, but I believe you need more than that to fix your problem. Try this: #contizq { display:inli

Re: [WSG] more float problems

> Its the input buttons that are floated and overlapping causing the >> .sectionfooter| to shove over. Try : div.sectionfooter {clear:left} Also make sure you set a background-color for body, because white is not the color by default ;-) HTH, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

> would anybody be able to suggest a simple fix to > get the "advanced search/preferences" list to align properly > next to the input on my "frugal google" experiment > http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/74/ ? You could try to move the UL just before the text box and then use *float* rather t

[WSG] Multiple comments to filter non Gecko-based browsers

Hi, I'm trying to use "nested" comments as a filter for non gecko-based browsers. This is my markup: some rules here Gecko-based browsers get it right; they see the "nested" comment and ignore the inner block. But the Validator gives me a warning about this (multiple comments in comment decla

Re: [WSG] Multiple comments to filter non Gecko-based browsers

> I guess the first question would be.. what are you trying to do and is > their another solution? > Not sure what you mean by filter for non Gecko browsers? Hi James, I found out that non Gecko-based browsers "see" the inner block (between the comments), so I can use this markup to feed them with

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: > Many sites I have seen *retain this link's visibility* despite it > being intended (AFAIK) primarily > for screen readers. It also helps people who use tabbing navigation. Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com | ** The

Re: [WSG] Accessible dropdown menus

Roger Johansson wrote: > * Semantic markup (i.e. nested unordered lists) > * Graceful degradation when support for CSS and/or JavaScript is > missing > * Keyboard navigable, preferrably with optionally expandable menus. > * Top level menu items should be real links > * Menus drop down on hover (obv

Re: [WSG] Disjointed Rollovers in css

jackie reid wrote: > is there a tutorial out there that anyone has seen or used that may > help me achieve this. Hi Jackie, This may help you: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/css%20pop%20ups/ HTH, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The dis

Re: [WSG] Suggestions for compliant drop down menus...

Lee Jorgensen wrote: >> I didn't know about that one, but I believe it is the worst article ever published by ALA. The author says: "What if we could have one clean, well-structured menu which would combine the dynamism and code-ease of dropdown menus and d

Re: [WSG] Suggestions for compliant drop down menus...

Hi Lee, Did you check this one? http://www.brothercake.com/dropdown/ HTH, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posti

[WSG] Heads up re: skipNav and other jump links

Hi all, I've noticed that many of you are using a container ID as a "named anchor" (to create a "skip nav" for example), but I'm not sure if you're all aware that this creates an accessibility issue: the user can jump to the location, but is unable to tab past it. Also, I've found that most of the

Re: [WSG] Heads up re: skipNav and other jump links

Drake, Ted C. wrote: > I've been replacing my with id="deepcontent"> Or something similar. > Isn't that the most appropriate way of going? Hi Ted, Try the 2 methods and you'll see how the latter solution disturbs tabbing navigation. Using the former allows UAs to "jump" to that location, but on

Re: [WSG] Heads up re: skipNav and other jump links

Drake, Ted C. wrote: > I thought name was deprecated. >From the W3C (http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_8): In XML, URI-references [RFC2396] that end with fragment identifiers of the form "#foo" do not refer to elements with an attribute name="foo"; rather, they refer to elements with an attribute d

Re: Betr.: [WSG] Window Pop-ups

Gerard Copinga wrote: > Hello, > onClick="javascript:openNewWindow(this.href); return false;" > title="opens in new window">Help As a side note: using "_blank" as the value of the target attribute is not a good idea unless the designer wants a *new* window to open each time the event is triggered

Re: Betr.: [WSG] Window Pop-ups

Kornel Lesinski wrote: > And what about what _user_ wants? > For me there is nothing more annoying that page with links to > screenshots or faq entries that all stubbornly open in the same > window and don't let me see more than one of them at once. IMHO, this technique gives some control to the u

Re: Betr.: [WSG] Window Pop-ups

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > Even if a link *has* "_blank", you can use the right click option. I know that ;-) My point is that setting the target attribute's value to "WhatEverName" gives the user a *choice*. It allows him to either open these links in new windows or in the *original new one*. With

Re: [WSG] Voice family box model hack

Stevio wrote: > Can someone explain how the following works? Hi Stephen, You may want to read this: http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html Then this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp Unless I'm missing something, the latter is a simpler and - IM

Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

Hope Stewart wrote: > comments. The design is very basic, but I've never claimed to be a > graphic designer! It looks nice (I'd use a darker green for body though) I think you *need* to include a skipnav link. > I have been unable to test the new pages in Opera/win and IE5/win, so > would be grat

Re: [WSG] Two separate CSS issues

Stevio wrote: > Anyone know why a floated div is hidden in IE6? Try "position:relative" on #sidebar, that should fix it To set padding and margin to 0 value for all the elements, try "*" instead of "#", like this: * {margin:0;padding:0} HTH, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com

Re: [WSG] Voice family box model hack

Michael Wilson wrote: > If I have to use a box model hack (BMH), rather than a conditional > comment, I prefer the following [01]: > * html foo { /* Selector recognized by IE only */ > height: 100%; /* Value for IE5.x/Win and IE6.x/Win QM */ > hei\ght: auto; /* Value for IE6/Win */ > } I

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

tee wrote: > Seven, but I really prefer to stay with css menu as it delivers > cleaner code. I was thinking perhaps I can insert one dhtml menu in Son of suckerfish dropdowns: http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ I'm a bit biased about this one: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

tee wrote: > doesn't work for IE 5.2 Mac, it's out of question. I believe it doesn't work in NN6 either. Tee, I've sent you an email off-list, let me know if you don't get it. Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

Michael Wilson wrote: > It works in NN6 Win, but I'm not sure about NN on Mac; that fix link I > posted earlier has a listing of tested browsers. Michael, I've tested this page [1] in NN v6.2.3 on XPPro and it does not work. Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com [1] http://www.htmldog.com

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

Michael Wilson wrote: > This [01], however, does work in NN v6.2.3 on XPPro. According to the Hi, I don't think it works as intented. The nested ULs appear, but NN6 doesn't paint any background, so it is not legible. Re: the Mac fix. This "fix" is for MSIE 5.2 (OSX), it doesn't fix 5.0 (OS9) and I

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

tee wrote: > My question was to find a good solution for my problem, not intending > to create a debate that 'mine is better than your' this kind of > notion' that anyone in the list might have. That was not my intention either; actually I listed *both* solutions in my OP. I just thought important

Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

Drake, Ted C. wrote: > I've looked at about 3 dozen web sites this morning discussing the > best three column layout and it is getting really confusing. So many > of them are variations of each other and there are few dates on the > pages to know what is new and better. Hi Ted, I don't know if th

Re: [WSG] update-- liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

Drake, Ted C. wrote: > I've got a question. You mention the IE > painting bug, which is very similar to the issue that I am having. Hi Ted, I think I mentionned this bug re: the ALA demo page. Did you notice background painting problems with my pages? > However, I was able to solve the problem,

Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

David Laakso wrote: > Just in case you change your mind about source order: > FYI: The ALA's article doesn't mention a few things: - links inside the right column appear not to be clickable in Opera 6, - there are background painting problems i

Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > Just some quick questions -- and please don't misunderstand me here. > :-) NP ;-) > - How many of the old browser-versions should be allowed to influence > our choice of design-methods? > - Aren't there enough bugs and flaws in the new browser-versions? I see your point,

Re: [WSG] font list?

john wrote: > No matter how hard I try to explain, one of my clients just cannot > understand that fonts are taken from the user's computer when they > view the page. Basically, he can't shake the distinctions between > print design and web design. You may want to look into sIFR: http://www.macro

Re: [WSG] Can fonts be fixed in firefox?

Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: > font-size? Or do I have to go and use images instead? In which case I > would have to use Javascript for the Rollover, which really goes too > far! To go with CSS rather than Javascript, you can use a transparent image and swap its background. Thierry |

[WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

Hi all, I have a WAI-AAA icon at the bottom of the pages and I'd like to know if I can leave it there or if I have a few more things to work on :-) I'm using "label" with all my "input" elements, but the one for the search form at the top at the page. Does using the title attribute make it "access

Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

Jan Brasna wrote: > Label is in Priority 2, title is enough for Priority 1. > BTW placing a label there and hiding it via CSS does the job too... Duh! LOL Thanks, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandards

Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

diona kidd wrote: > I'm using FF 1.0.1 on Fedora 3 and the links are working for me. Which > version/platform FF are you using? I'm using v. 0.8 and 1.0.2 on WinXP When you say "working", do you mean you can click on them and jump to the anchors or that you can tab through all the links in the mai

Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

tee wrote: > Hi Thierry, > I think your page has issued with Safari (Jaguar), it shuts down the > browser after 2 or 3 second of loading. I tested 4 times, same result. Hi Tee, I was going to reply off-list, but on the other hand I'd like to see someone else using Jaguar to check the page. Just to

Re: [WSG] IE not displaying a link as a block level element

Drake, Ted C. wrote: > The rest of the styles use body classes to show or hide specific > nested menus. > > Does anyone see a reason why the links would not display as block? It > is causing some flashing as you mouse over the links and hit dead > air. The hover goes off and on Hi Ted, To fix IE

Re: [WSG] IE not displaying a link as a block level element

Drake, Ted C. wrote: > I could probably generalize the holly hacks to the whole site, but > for now I am doing it on the individual nav. Are there reasons why I > shouldn't just say * html li and * html a ? Did you try to use Conditional Comments instead of CSS filetrs? IMO, that's where this de

Re: [WSG] CSS Comments

Drake, Ted C. wrote: > This is a hack to send a style to Internet Explorer on windows and > not mac. IMHO, IE CCs are a better alternative to this hack: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *

Re: [WSG] Minimum browsers/OS tested for?

Neerav wrote: > I havent asked this for a while so it would be interesting to know > what the current trend in Browser/Operating system support is for the > freelancers/corporates on this list to see if there has been any > change in the last 6-12 months I think of people stuck with old browsers,

Re: [WSG] Minimum browsers/OS tested for?

Kornel Lesinski wrote: > Pretty does not mean accessible. OK, I should have said "look good and functional" ;-) For example, when DIVs overlap, links become unclickable, content disappear. etc. > I think it's better to spend time on > some WAI checkpoints rather than adding display tweaks for NN4

Re: [WSG] there is no attribute "name"

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > The proper way in XHTML is using fragment identifiers: giving an ID to > an element, and linking to that, e.g. > go to content > I've found that using "id" instead of "name" for anchors (including a href attribute) creates an accessibility issue since some browsers (at l

Re: [WSG] there is no attribute "name"

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > I found that, even when using NAME, IE (particularly IE6/SP2 on > WinXP/SP2) can exhibit this same behaviour of "forgetting" the right > tab order. In fact, I just created a super simple page where my IE > (version and OS as above) just does that > http://dev.splintered.co

Re: [WSG] there is no attribute "name"

Thomas Ditmars wrote: >> ... > Does this also apply to HTML 4.01 Strict? > > I guess my actual question is: "What is the proper way of coding > '#anchor-name' links in HTML 4.01 Strict?" It is best to use *both* (up to XHTML 1.0) *with* a A element, to be "nice to old browsers". You may want to r

Re: [WSG] search engine question

Kornel Lesinski wrote: > You have to use good, accessible menu that uses links in HTML. > See "son of suckerfish dropdowns". I'm not sure if CSS menus are really "accessible". IMHO, they lack a "timer", browser support is weak and most of them do not allow keyboard navigation. On top of that, if n

Re: [WSG] search engine question

Kvnmcwebn wrote: > heres the menu > > http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/hvmenu/horizon.htm Nice, but totally inaccessible without JS support. Check www.projectseven.com I believe most of their menus are fully accessible. It is important that without client script, the navigation fully expa

Re: [WSG] search engine question

Kvnmcwebn wrote: > heres the menu > http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/hvmenu/horizon.htm This link is to show you that I'm not biased when I say you should favor a "DHTML" solution: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp ;-) Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com **

Re: [WSG] search engine question

Kornel Lesinski wrote: >> I'm not sure if CSS menus are really "accessible". IMHO, they lack a >> "timer", browser support is weak and most of them do not allow >> keyboard navigation. > > That's the same problem most JS menus have as well. That may be true for the bad ones, but not for quality JS

Re: [WSG] search engine question

Kvnmcwebn wrote: > Unless you think im making a HUGE mistake by using this dhtml menu > from, im going to leave it. IMHO, it is a HUGE mistake > I mean what are the percentages of users with scripting disabled-is it > really going to come back and haunt me? Did you check the source code? It is n

Re: [WSG] search engine question

Kvnmcwebn wrote: > The only "drawback"(for me) is that the text size cant be fixed as in > the js method i was using earlier. Actually, that should be one more reason to stay away from that menu ;-) But check that menu in a different browser than IE, you'll see that text-size can always be increas

Re: Any experiments with SMIL for menus? (was Re: [WSG] search engine question)

Robin Berjon wrote: > This is besides the point of answering the initial practical question, > but have there been examples of using some of IE's HTML+TIME (or any > other integration of HTML with something SMILish) for precisely this > sort of effect? SMIL has simple ways of handling this sort of

Re: [WSG] Odd Firefox Issue...

Chris Stratford wrote: > Hey Guys, > Just wondering if you have ever seen this problem with firefox. Hi Chris, I do not experience any problem with that page (FF 0.8/WinXP) Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://we

Re: [WSG] CSS for changeing colors

The Man With His Guide Dog At The Tent Store wrote: > I do not know if this is off topic. Can CSS be used to change > background and foreground colors to create a more accessible web > site.? If so, how? Or please direct me to a web site that discusses > the topic. Alternative styles article: http

Re: [WSG] CSS list spacing: margin or line-height?

Matt Thommes wrote: > I've noticed that the CSS 'line-height' property provides extra > spacing between list items, such as in an ordered list, unordered > list, as well as definition lists. I try to favor line-height rather than padding if I'm dealing with an element that is styled with a height

Re: [WSG] lights flashing - I'm not the only one seeing this - CSS list sp acing: margin or line-height?

Drake, Ted C. wrote: > Hi Thierry > > This has been bugging me lately and I've been adding margin-top:-1px > to some of my navigation lists to avoid this random space between > list items in firefox. Do you have any recommendations for avoiding Hi Ted, It's Bruno Fassino on CSS-D who gave me a h

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